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(CTV News)   Serial rapist with violent behavior and moderately high risk of reoffending to be released to halfway house after serving 2/3 of 37 year sentence. What could possibly go wrong?   (atlantic.ctvnews.ca) divider line 145
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2013-04-02 11:57:00 PM
He's been rehabilitated?

runs from thread like a guilty arsonist
 
2013-04-03 12:05:29 AM
37 years in jail for rape is a waste of time.

Best Case: The person actually rehabilitates and is then stuck in jail longer than I've been alive.

Worst Case: When I sees a man I likes I tells him "I likes ya, and I wants ya. Now we can do this the easy way or the hard way." I'm a warrior. A Booty Warrior.


This is why it's much easier to just make rape a hangin' crime. It's better for everyone, really.
 
2013-04-03 12:11:20 AM
It's not an election year?
 
2013-04-03 12:46:49 AM

RedPhoenix122: It's not an election year?


Erection year.
 
2013-04-03 12:48:35 AM
He is in Saint John? How will people tell the difference?

/In other news: Canada nukes Fark.com for this thread dissing Saint John.
 
2013-04-03 12:51:09 AM
i278.photobucket.com

/this wasn't first?
 
2013-04-03 12:51:32 AM
If he can have sex with Cheerios, what harm can he really do.
 
2013-04-03 12:52:30 AM
Oh. Serial. Never mind.
 
2013-04-03 12:52:36 AM

TinyFist: runs from thread like a guilty arsonist


Arsonists stat to watch.

/At least that's what they do on TV and in the movies.
 
2013-04-03 12:55:00 AM

sheep snorter: He is in Saint John? How will people tell the difference?

/In other news: Canada nukes Fark.com for this thread dissing Saint John.


He's in St John? How will he find anyone to rape?

/population density jokes
 
2013-04-03 12:56:05 AM
I thought serial rapists were guaranted to reoffend until their terstosterone levels dropped to that of a 70 year old man.
 
2013-04-03 12:56:09 AM
Maybe the judge thought it was just rape, and not rape rape....
 
2013-04-03 12:57:01 AM
He's already spent 24 years in prison. 24 years.

Think about that.

If the penal system actually rehabilitated people, he'd either be rehabilitated by now, or never. It isn't as if he did 2/3rds of a month, he did 1/4th of a century.

But our system doesn't rehabilitate anyway, so 24 years in prison just gave him plenty of time to learn to be a better criminal, ensured he has no marketable skills in a job market he can barely enter as a felon anyway, and a severely skewed perspective on the world. On the low end, the man's 42 years old and has a hell of a hard life ahead of him (not to say the women he was convicted of raping have had it any easier, but the article and title aren't about them either).
 
2013-04-03 12:58:17 AM

TalenLee: sheep snorter: He is in Saint John? How will people tell the difference?

/In other news: Canada nukes Fark.com for this thread dissing Saint John.

He's in St John? How will he find anyone to rape?

/population density jokes


are you sure your not thinking of Timmins ?
 
2013-04-03 12:58:54 AM
I pity the first one he gets. You just know he's been thinking about it for a long time.
 
2013-04-03 12:59:40 AM

Rendus: If the penal system actually rehabilitated people, he'd either be rehabilitated by now, or never. It isn't as if he did 2/3rds of a month, he did 1/4th of a century.


www.independent.co.uk
 
2013-04-03 12:59:50 AM

Rendus: He's already spent 24 years in prison. 24 years.

Think about that.

If the penal system actually rehabilitated people, he'd either be rehabilitated by now, or never. It isn't as if he did 2/3rds of a month, he did 1/4th of a century.

But our system doesn't rehabilitate anyway, so 24 years in prison just gave him plenty of time to learn to be a better criminal, ensured he has no marketable skills in a job market he can barely enter as a felon anyway, and a severely skewed perspective on the world. On the low end, the man's 42 years old and has a hell of a hard life ahead of him (not to say the women he was convicted of raping have had it any easier, but the article and title aren't about them either).


Not to mention, how many women has he been exposed to while incarcerated that he himself did not in turn expose himself to or attempt to rape?

I mean, if he's violent around the other burly male inmates, how's he gonna do around women at the supermarket?
 
2013-04-03 01:00:05 AM
In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.

Hopefully, there is someone in Canada who feels the same way.

Paying his debt to society does not mean that his won't be racking up more bills.
 
2013-04-03 01:00:20 AM
release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.
 
2013-04-03 01:01:09 AM
I'm sure when he gets out and shoots someone with a stolen gun we'll have new reasons to get rid of guns. So I guess that's a plus.
 
2013-04-03 01:01:32 AM

Rendus: But our system doesn't rehabilitate anyway, so 24 years in prison just gave him plenty of time to learn to be a better criminal, ensured he has no marketable skills in a job market he can barely enter as a felon anyway, and a severely skewed perspective on the world.


You do realize that this is a Canadian held in a prison in Canada being released to a halfway house in Canada?
 
2013-04-03 01:01:48 AM

TinyFist: He's been rehabilitated?

runs from thread like a guilty arsonist


Rehabilitated? Well, now let me see. You know, I don't have any idea what that means.

/ it's a made-up word
 
8zo [TotalFark]
2013-04-03 01:01:51 AM

Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.


...and can't protect themselves.
 
2013-04-03 01:02:28 AM

mizchief: I'm sure when he gets out and shoots someone with a stolen gun we'll have new reasons to get rid of guns. So I guess that's a plus.


yeah, no doubt they'll apprehend him when he tries to register it legally.
 
2013-04-03 01:02:40 AM

SpdrJay: Maybe the judge thought it was just rape, and not rape rape....


read that as "grape rape"
 
2013-04-03 01:02:49 AM

Rendus: He's already spent 24 years in prison. 24 years.

Think about that.

If the penal system actually rehabilitated people, he'd either be rehabilitated by now, or never. It isn't as if he did 2/3rds of a month, he did 1/4th of a century.

But our system doesn't rehabilitate anyway, so 24 years in prison just gave him plenty of time to learn to be a better criminal, ensured he has no marketable skills in a job market he can barely enter as a felon anyway, and a severely skewed perspective on the world. On the low end, the man's 42 years old and has a hell of a hard life ahead of him (not to say the women he was convicted of raping have had it any easier, but the article and title aren't about them either).


he's not a habitual shop lifter. he's a serial rapist.
 
2013-04-03 01:02:49 AM

Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.


Release him in a C neighborhood where he won't be any different from the rest of you scum
 
2013-04-03 01:03:06 AM
Something wrong with castration?
 
2013-04-03 01:03:57 AM
FTA: "CTV News has learned the man known as the Motorcycle Rapist is set to be released to a halfway house in Saint John."

Mind your tailpipes, girls.

And hell, after all that time in prison, I'll bet he can suck-start a Harley.
 
2013-04-03 01:04:59 AM

albatros183: are you sure your not thinking of Timmins ?


I'm mostly just joking about Newfoundland. On the other hand, I'm Australian, not like I have the room to talk.

Oh wait, no, I have plenty of room. Kilometers and kilometers of vast open space.
 
2013-04-03 01:05:22 AM

strutin: [i278.photobucket.com image 384x494]

/this wasn't first?


Nope, it farking wasn't. Not everybody on Fark is a beard-hating piece of shiat.
 
2013-04-03 01:06:01 AM
memedepot.com
 
2013-04-03 01:06:20 AM

The Snow Dog: Something wrong with castration?


I think it depends on whether you're a castrator or a castratee.
 
2013-04-03 01:06:22 AM

The Snow Dog: Something wrong with castration?



Release him in Yellowknife?
 
2013-04-03 01:08:34 AM

TalenLee: albatros183: are you sure your not thinking of Timmins ?

I'm mostly just joking about Newfoundland. On the other hand, I'm Australian, not like I have the room to talk.

Oh wait, no, I have plenty of room. Kilometers and kilometers of vast open space.


I see you've never been to timmins

/Biggest city by boarders think it's the lowest population density in NA or at least it used to be
//if you want to joke about SJ you should try screech or nazis
//or both
 
2013-04-03 01:08:58 AM

relcec: I thought serial rapists were guaranted to reoffend until their terstosterone levels dropped to that of a 70 year old man.



Or your money back?

Besides, he's not a "serial rapist". he's a MOTORCYCLE rapist.
 
2013-04-03 01:09:24 AM

albatros183: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

Release him in a C neighborhood where he won't be any different from the rest of you scum


i don't know what that is?

relcec: Rendus: He's already spent 24 years in prison. 24 years.

Think about that.

If the penal system actually rehabilitated people, he'd either be rehabilitated by now, or never. It isn't as if he did 2/3rds of a month, he did 1/4th of a century.

But our system doesn't rehabilitate anyway, so 24 years in prison just gave him plenty of time to learn to be a better criminal, ensured he has no marketable skills in a job market he can barely enter as a felon anyway, and a severely skewed perspective on the world. On the low end, the man's 42 years old and has a hell of a hard life ahead of him (not to say the women he was convicted of raping have had it any easier, but the article and title aren't about them either).

he's not a habitual shop lifter. he's a serial rapist.

,
+1
i can understand greed, envy, hunger...why people steal, or sell stuff...

but to get pleasure from hurting women or children? that cannot be fixed.
let god decide.
if there is no god, we are just killing a defective monkey.
 
2013-04-03 01:09:26 AM
"CTV News has learned the man known as the Motorcycle Rapist "

Seems like that would hurt
 
2013-04-03 01:09:28 AM

rosebud_the_sled: In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.

Hopefully, there is someone in Canada who feels the same way.

Paying his debt to society does not mean that his won't be racking up more bills.


Thanks, in part, to people just like you.
 
2013-04-03 01:12:02 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: rosebud_the_sled: In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.

Hopefully, there is someone in Canada who feels the same way.

Paying his debt to society does not mean that his won't be racking up more bills.

Thanks, in part, to people just like you.


It's okay ... I'm sure he's for the keying of his car as retributive justice for his speeding as well ... afterall, that speeding ticket is only paying some of us back.  Burning his house to the ground for sneezing or coughing in public seems rather apropos as well.
 
2013-04-03 01:12:21 AM
You should hear the news here. Apparently some murderer who kept threatening people got released after 18 months and then he carried out his threats.

Something about someone forgetting to put "consecutively" on his sentencing sheet.

I saw the wife of the murder victim on TV today. She was pissed.
 
2013-04-03 01:13:07 AM

Popular Opinion: albatros183: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

Release him in a C neighborhood where he won't be any different from the rest of you scum

i don't know what that is?relcec: Rendus: He's already spent 24 years in prison. 24 years.

Think about that.

If the penal system actually rehabilitated people, he'd either be rehabilitated by now, or never. It isn't as if he did 2/3rds of a month, he did 1/4th of a century.

But our system doesn't rehabilitate anyway, so 24 years in prison just gave him plenty of time to learn to be a better criminal, ensured he has no marketable skills in a job market he can barely enter as a felon anyway, and a severely skewed perspective on the world. On the low end, the man's 42 years old and has a hell of a hard life ahead of him (not to say the women he was convicted of raping have had it any easier, but the article and title aren't about them either).

he's not a habitual shop lifter. he's a serial rapist.
,
+1
i can understand greed, envy, hunger...why people steal, or sell stuff...

but to get pleasure from hurting women or children? that cannot be fixed.
let god decide.
if there is no god, we are just killing a defective monkey.


Nice mishmash, it almost like putting a strawman, so you can not respond you C onservitive scum

/Clearer NOW?
 
2013-04-03 01:13:15 AM

Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.


Place him in a liberal judge's home 2 doors down from the judge's 17 year old daughter.
 
2013-04-03 01:19:19 AM
I would like to encourage a petition to the legislature that would make sexual assault a capital crime.

Also, I went up the the Haaji mart earlier and there were two cats in there who were baked.  I mean baked.  They stank of weed.

They didn't seem to be violent or rapey.

I bet there's LOTS of room in the prisons for violent vomit pails if we cut loose the stoners.
 
2013-04-03 01:19:52 AM
HindiDiscoMonster:

Thanks, in part, to people just like you.

I assume you would want him boning your daughter?

Damaged goods are damaged goods.  Do you want to commit the time to truly rehabilitate someone so they can become average?  Wouldn't the time and money be better spent toward something truly constructive?
 
2013-04-03 01:20:10 AM
why so butthurt subby?
 
2013-04-03 01:21:55 AM

universebetween: why so butthurt subby?


Oh, go the f*ck away, ffs.  What are you, 12?  *click*
 
2013-04-03 01:22:45 AM

Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.


Wouldn't that just prove the liberal neighborhood's point -- that we aren't providing rehabilitation and so the people we spend so many resources "punishing" aren't actually any better when they come back than when they go away? You can't prove a theory is false by demonstrating that its conjugate is false.
 
2013-04-03 01:23:52 AM
The problem with rehabilitation is that it's impossible to tell if someone's been rehabilitated. A pop-up timer doesn't pop out. So, rehabilitation is a will-o-the-wisp. Plus the offender has every incentive to lie about his state of mind.

See also, "Truth In Sentencing." In states without it, they can sentence someone to 30 years, and he gets out in 3.

You gotta understand something about crime. There are people who are prisoners' advocates. They have an offender-centric view of the world. So they're happy to let a few more people get victimized ("they're obnoxious plebeians anyway") to protect their lion who would never hurt them.
 
2013-04-03 01:24:36 AM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-03 01:25:29 AM

bunner: universebetween: why so butthurt subby?

Oh, go the f*ck away, ffs.  What are you, 12?  *click*


wow. I crossed al ine on Fark? At least Jesus will forgive me.
 
2013-04-03 01:26:23 AM

albatros183: ....
,
+1
i can understand greed, envy, hunger...why people steal, or sell stuff...

but to get pleasure from hurting women or children? that cannot be fixed.
let god decide.
if there is no god, we are just killing a defective monkey.

Nice mishmash, it almost like putting a strawman, so you can not respond you C onservitive scum

/Clearer NOW?


why conservatives? and why scum?
conservatives would have executed this perv.
you might be a bit off kilter.
 
2013-04-03 01:29:34 AM

bunner: I would like to encourage a petition to the legislature that would make sexual assault a capital crime.

Also, I went up the the Haaji mart earlier and there were two cats in there who were baked.  I mean baked.  They stank of weed.

They didn't seem to be violent or rapey.

I bet there's LOTS of room in the prisons for violent vomit pails if we cut loose the stoners.


Considering that there is a SCOTUS ruling striking that down...
 
2013-04-03 01:30:13 AM

Popular Opinion: albatros183: ....
,
+1
i can understand greed, envy, hunger...why people steal, or sell stuff...

but to get pleasure from hurting women or children? that cannot be fixed.
let god decide.
if there is no god, we are just killing a defective monkey.

Nice mishmash, it almost like putting a strawman, so you can not respond you C onservitive scum

/Clearer NOW?

why conservatives? and why scum?
conservatives would have executed this perv.
you might be a bit off kilter.


OK I'll give you 8/10

/Or you could be a complete dishonest moron
//Moose in the studio?
///Escalating quickly
 
2013-04-03 01:31:29 AM

SN1987a goes boom: Considering that there is a SCOTUS ruling striking that down...


This dump needs an enema.
 
2013-04-03 01:35:09 AM

The Snow Dog: Something wrong with castration?


Would probably be considered inhumane to do to people like him, even after all he's done.

But i think it would be interesting to have that as a consequence if he re-offends, and more people would agree that's fair. Maybe even let any woman he attacked do it. With dull rusty scissors.
 
2013-04-03 01:39:25 AM
This is why I can't stand all the Fark retardation against the death penalty. This guy should have been executed.  No questions asked.  If you don't believe he should be killed, then you have to believe that you can rehabilitate someone like this.  Spending over 20 years behind bars will NOT make you a better person.  Once in a while, the justice system will convict an innocent, and in those circumstances, I believe that the prosecutor and all else involved should be held personally accountable for destroying someone's life.

The more likely scenario is that someone that is ""wrongly" convicted of murder is guilty of a million other offenses.  I am not saying that those justify the death penalty, but for f*cks sake, can we please stop pretending that you can go to jail and have a productive life thereafter?  If you served your time, you should not EVER have to admit that you were convicted of a felony when filling out a job application.  You did your time.  If you are wrongly convicted, you are more than screwed for the rest of your life.  I would rather be wrongly convicted and have a bullet in my skull from day 1, than pretend that jail is any sort of rehabilitation
 
2013-04-03 01:39:59 AM
Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.
 
2013-04-03 01:40:01 AM

J. Frank Parnell: The Snow Dog: Something wrong with castration?

Would probably be considered inhumane to do to people like him, even after all he's done.

But i think it would be interesting to have that as a consequence if he re-offends, and more people would agree that's fair. Maybe even let any woman he attacked do it. With dull rusty scissors.


Ya'll is monsters.

6' of rope, 7' of drop.
 
2013-04-03 01:47:19 AM

bunner: SN1987a goes boom: Considering that there is a SCOTUS ruling striking that down...

This dump needs an enema.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coker_v._Georgia
 
2013-04-03 01:48:24 AM

Rendus: He's already spent 24 years in prison. 24 years.

Think about that.

If the penal system actually rehabilitated people, he'd either be rehabilitated by now, or never. It isn't as if he did 2/3rds of a month, he did 1/4th of a century.

But our system doesn't rehabilitate anyway, so 24 years in prison just gave him plenty of time to learn to be a better criminal, ensured he has no marketable skills in a job market he can barely enter as a felon anyway, and a severely skewed perspective on the world. On the low end, the man's 42 years old and has a hell of a hard life ahead of him (not to say the women he was convicted of raping have had it any easier, but the article and title aren't about them either).


Hey, Las Vegas man, this guy's in Canada's system.

At least he'll come out polite.
 
2013-04-03 01:52:43 AM

rosebud_the_sled: In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.


And those were your altruistic years!

Altruism and selfishness boil down to the same thing:  doing what makes you feel better.
 
2013-04-03 02:03:08 AM

rosebud_the_sled: HindiDiscoMonster:

Thanks, in part, to people just like you.

I assume you would want him boning your daughter?

Damaged goods are damaged goods.  Do you want to commit the time to truly rehabilitate someone so they can become average?  Wouldn't the time and money be better spent toward something truly constructive?


O, boy, speaking of damaged goods... So in your altruistic years you ran a half-way house.  Have you moved on to running a slaughterhouse, or are you semi-retired and working the gas pump at the animal shelter thrice a week?
 
2013-04-03 02:06:03 AM

universebetween: bunner: universebetween: why so butthurt subby?

Oh, go the f*ck away, ffs.  What are you, 12?  *click*

wow. I crossed al ine on Fark? At least Jesus will forgive me.


Not that one.  Silly_Jesus will gift you TF, though.
 
2013-04-03 02:11:25 AM

kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.


Coalinga State (Mental) Hospital.  850 violent sex offenders too dangerous to release.  Tough crowd.
 
2013-04-03 02:11:42 AM
I guess I'll pass on the Lucky Charms then.
 
2013-04-03 02:17:29 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rosebud_the_sled: In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.

And those were your altruistic years!

Altruism and selfishness boil down to the same thing:  doing what makes you feel better.



^ Wisdom of ages. ^
 
2013-04-03 02:17:58 AM

BarkingUnicorn: kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.

Coalinga State (Mental) Hospital.  850 violent sex offenders too dangerous to release.  Tough crowd.


I wonder if there are any successfully 'cured' and released patients?

Or at least some who find a measure of peace there.  Which, surrounded by so much other crazy, seems like a pretty big long shot.
 
2013-04-03 02:20:00 AM

Amos Quito: BarkingUnicorn: rosebud_the_sled: In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.

And those were your altruistic years!

Altruism and selfishness boil down to the same thing:  doing what makes you feel better.


^ Wisdom of ages. ^


Are you a wizard?
 
2013-04-03 02:22:33 AM
BarkingUnicorn~

Coaling station A.
 
m00
2013-04-03 02:28:40 AM
O'Brien was dubbed the Motorcycle Rapist because he was wearing a helmet and riding a motorcycle in many of the cases, most of which occurred in rural and secluded areas in and around the Halifax area.

How was he caught if nobody could identify him?
 
2013-04-03 02:29:01 AM

Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.

Coalinga State (Mental) Hospital.  850 violent sex offenders too dangerous to release.  Tough crowd.

I wonder if there are any successfully 'cured' and released patients?

Or at least some who find a measure of peace there.  Which, surrounded by so much other crazy, seems like a pretty big long shot.


RTFA.  Sex offender treatment is optional and only 1/3 of inmates take it.
 
2013-04-03 02:30:19 AM

Point02GPA: BarkingUnicorn~

Coaling station A.


Even Google doesn't know what you're talking about, so how should I?
 
2013-04-03 02:38:09 AM
Normally I don't agree with eye for an eye punishments, but I'm willing to make an exception for this one.  There are certain people too damaged to safely exist in society, and keeping them locked up is wasteful, expensive, and offers zero catharsis to people like me who wants to see criminals suffer.

fark rehabilitation, the job of the penal system is to server as a deterrent and to dish out retribution.  Crime and punishment is something that the Saudis have done right and we should do more to follow its footsteps. Did you see the recent case where they decided to punish a man who paralyzed another person by forcefully him? That's justice - old school.
 
2013-04-03 02:45:44 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.

Coalinga State (Mental) Hospital.  850 violent sex offenders too dangerous to release.  Tough crowd.

I wonder if there are any successfully 'cured' and released patients?

Or at least some who find a measure of peace there.  Which, surrounded by so much other crazy, seems like a pretty big long shot.

RTFA.  Sex offender treatment is optional and only 1/3 of inmates take it.


I dnrta, but 1/3 taking the option doesn't answer either of my musings. They might have a release rate on the 1/3 who try and even a recidivist number, but even then with how many rapes go unreported and rape kits go untested who the hell knows.

Fwiw though my questions were rhetorical, I was not demanding you find me the data.
 
2013-04-03 02:47:46 AM

super_grass: people like me who wants to see criminals suffer.


So... Evil People.
 
2013-04-03 02:50:45 AM

albatros183: Amos Quito: BarkingUnicorn: rosebud_the_sled: In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.

And those were your altruistic years!

Altruism and selfishness boil down to the same thing:  doing what makes you feel better.


^ Wisdom of ages. ^

Are you a wizard?



Unquestionably.
 
2013-04-03 02:54:42 AM

doglover: super_grass: people like me who wants to see criminals suffer.

So... Evil People.


Normal, upstanding members of society.

Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others. Stories like this is why I'm glad the US still has a (somewhat neutered) death penalty.
 
2013-04-03 03:04:09 AM

Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.


I do, as it happens, believe in rehabilitation.

However, I don't believe that's what's going on in our prisons today. What we do is warehouse criminals for a designated period of time (their "sentence") until they can be returned to wherever it is they came from, usually worse than when they were incarcerated. Then they will invariably return to prison, having committed another, often more heinous crime than they did before.

Now, if we DID rehabilitate criminals in prison--as they do in some Scandinavian countries, from what I understand--then we might have a lower recidivism rate, and a lower crime rate overall. But till then, please don't pretend that it's because "liberals" believe that prison rehabilitates and wiser "conservatives" know that prison is for punishment, and it's just that criminals are too evil and/or stupid to appreciate that prison is really for their own good in either case.

Right now, prison neither punishes nor rehabilitates; and until it actually does one or the other, it will do nothing but provide room and board and a classroom for willing felons.
 
2013-04-03 03:08:58 AM

Gyrfalcon: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

I do, as it happens, believe in rehabilitation.

However, I don't believe that's what's going on in our prisons today. What we do is warehouse criminals for a designated period of time (their "sentence") until they can be returned to wherever it is they came from, usually worse than when they were incarcerated. Then they will invariably return to prison, having committed another, often more heinous crime than they did before.

Now, if we DID rehabilitate criminals in prison--as they do in some Scandinavian countries, from what I understand--then we might have a lower recidivism rate, and a lower crime rate overall. But till then, please don't pretend that it's because "liberals" believe that prison rehabilitates and wiser "conservatives" know that prison is for punishment, and it's just that criminals are too evil and/or stupid to appreciate that prison is really for their own good in either case.

Right now, prison neither punishes nor rehabilitates; and until it actually does one or the other, it will do nothing but provide room and board and a classroom for willing felons.


Nicely put...Thanks.
 
2013-04-03 03:09:55 AM
If dude finished his whole sentence in prison, the system would be forced to let him go with no community monitoring. They do the statutory release so the system can legally track their every movement.

//not perfect but best system we've got
 
2013-04-03 03:11:07 AM

super_grass: Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others.


But you don't have to make them suffer.

People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.
 
2013-04-03 03:11:16 AM

Gyrfalcon: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

I do, as it happens, believe in rehabilitation.

However, I don't believe that's what's going on in our prisons today. What we do is warehouse criminals for a designated period of time (their "sentence") until they can be returned to wherever it is they came from, usually worse than when they were incarcerated. Then they will invariably return to prison, having committed another, often more heinous crime than they did before.

Now, if we DID rehabilitate criminals in prison--as they do in some Scandinavian countries, from what I understand--then we might have a lower recidivism rate, and a lower crime rate overall. But till then, please don't pretend that it's because "liberals" believe that prison rehabilitates and wiser "conservatives" know that prison is for punishment, and it's just that criminals are too evil and/or stupid to appreciate that prison is really for their own good in either case.

Right now, prison neither punishes nor rehabilitates; and until it actually does one or the other, it will do nothing but provide room and board and a classroom for willing felons.


Didn't we USE to rehabilitate until Nixon decided to reinforce "law and order".
 
2013-04-03 03:11:21 AM
I hope the motorcycle dealerships near St. John have high barbwire fences.
 
2013-04-03 03:21:48 AM

Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.

Coalinga State (Mental) Hospital.  850 violent sex offenders too dangerous to release.  Tough crowd.

I wonder if there are any successfully 'cured' and released patients?

Or at least some who find a measure of peace there.  Which, surrounded by so much other crazy, seems like a pretty big long shot.

RTFA.  Sex offender treatment is optional and only 1/3 of inmates take it.

I dnrta, but 1/3 taking the option doesn't answer either of my musings. They might have a release rate on the 1/3 who try and even a recidivist number, but even then with how many rapes go unreported and rape kits go untested who the hell knows.

Fwiw though my questions were rhetorical, I was not demanding you find me the data.


De nada. I'm curious too.  Not curious enough to read the whole wiki article, though. :-)
 
2013-04-03 03:29:53 AM
Put him on a 20000 calorie a day maple syrup diet. The Diabetes and obesity will fix him right up.
 
2013-04-03 03:39:56 AM

doglover: super_grass: Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others.

But you don't have to make them suffer.

People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.


It's catharsis/retribution/debt to society.

A wrong cannot be undone without inflicting punishment regardless of whether or not the convicted has learned his lesson . This drive to hand out suffering in order to even out the score is the basis of society's view of justice and the legal system.
 
2013-04-03 03:55:04 AM
"Punishing" criminals makes about as much sense as "punishing" cancer.
 
2013-04-03 04:19:37 AM

super_grass: doglover: super_grass: Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others.

But you don't have to make them suffer.

People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.

It's catharsis/retribution/debt to society.

A wrong cannot be undone without inflicting punishment regardless of whether or not the convicted has learned his lesson . This drive to hand out suffering in order to even out the score is the basis of society's view of justice and the legal system.


Yeah, if you're evil.

An evil man likes to gloat and watch his victim squirm, basking in the power over another just like you describe.

A good man will administer an appropriate punishment without being overly cruel or any particular enjoyment.


Face it, you're evil.
 
2013-04-03 04:23:09 AM
I dunno about rehabilitated, but he's a 50-year-old aging ex-con now so some of the behavior issues as a teenager have probably been worn down by age if nothing else.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "Punishing" criminals makes about as much sense as "punishing" cancer.


It functions as a deterrent to some degree.  It's certainly not the entire solution to the problem of crime, but it actually solves a large chunk of it.  Negative reinforcement is good at preventing impulse crimes and some planned crimes as long as the punishment is sufficiently disproportionate.

It mainly fails when the risk of punishment is "worth it", e.g. the threat of getting caught and going to prison won't stop someone that has something deeply personal against you that's truly out for blood, but it will keep most petty criminals just in it for the money from considering killing you for your wallet a viable option.
 
2013-04-03 04:31:21 AM

Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.


I have 'liberal' friends who live in St. Johns, and the female member of the family would probably be a prime target (works in tourism industry to boot, ie. low income and more vulnerable). Fark you.
 
2013-04-03 04:37:45 AM

The Angry Hand of God: Once in a while, the justice system will convict an innocent, and in those circumstances, I believe that the prosecutor and all else involved should be held personally accountable for destroying someone's life.


Congratulations. You have just make it almost impossible to convict someone of a violent crime, or even to prosecute them for it.

The more likely scenario is that someone that is ""wrongly" convicted of murder is guilty of a million other offenses.  I am not saying that those justify the death penalty, but for f*cks sake, can we please stop pretending that you can go to jail and have a productive life thereafter?

Your hypothesis, then, is that nobody who goes to gaol ever lives a productive life afterwards?
 
2013-04-03 04:41:12 AM

orbister: Congratulations. You have just make it almost impossible to convict someone of a violent crime, or even to prosecute them for it.


It makes, Voltaire, Franklin, and me happy.
The acceptable number of innocent people jailed is zero.
 
2013-04-03 04:52:10 AM

doglover: super_grass: Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others.

But you don't have to make them suffer.

People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.


Agreed.
 
2013-04-03 05:19:50 AM

ladyfortuna: doglover: People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.

Agreed.


Members of the US Armed Forces have made a great number of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq suffer. Would you agree, then, that they are evil?
 
2013-04-03 05:47:53 AM

orbister: ladyfortuna: doglover: People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.

Agreed.

Members of the US Armed Forces have made a great number of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq suffer. Would you agree, then, that they are evil?


The ones who did it gleefully, yes.
 
2013-04-03 05:47:58 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: It makes, Voltaire, Franklin, and me happy.
The acceptable number of innocent people jailed is zero.


Meanwhile, back in reality where we have to make real choices with real consequences and not just stand on a stupidly high horse spewing short sighted sanctimony.

We do everything that it is reasonably possible to do to insure innocent people are not punished without screwing up the system so horrifically that almost nobody is ever punished for anything.

You don't accept the system that occasionally falsely punishes the innocent? I don't accept your system... which would break down and destroy society in no time at all. I can accept the dark and awful problems the system I support creates but I have a feeling you would be entirely unwilling to even seriously consider worst case scenarios and the problems with what you're suggesting.
 
2013-04-03 05:58:29 AM
Knock knock
Who's there?
Land shark
Oh, I don't believe you.  Who is it really?
40 lb box of rape
Ok, come in!
 
2013-04-03 06:15:38 AM

Metalithic: Members of the US Armed Forces have made a great number of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq suffer. Would you agree, then, that they are evil?

The ones who did it gleefully, yes.


"Gleefully" was not in the definition of evil offered.
 
2013-04-03 06:32:20 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: The acceptable number of innocent people jailed is zero.


Your system of not even bothering with laws and courts has been tried.

How are human rights and quality of life in Somalia doing these days?

//Admittedly, erring on the side of avoiding false positives is in fact built into most common-law-based justice systems.  But it's a philosophical guideline based on reasonable standards of proof, whereas the legal term for what you're proposing is "so farking stupid that I lost civics knowledge and IQ points just from reading it".  Your post is the intellectual equivalent of five bottles of Thunderbird and a month's rent spent on lottery tickets, I hope you're proud of yourself.
 
2013-04-03 06:52:49 AM

rosebud_the_sled: HindiDiscoMonster:

Thanks, in part, to people just like you.

I assume you would want him boning your daughter?

Damaged goods are damaged goods.  Do you want to commit the time to truly rehabilitate someone so they can become average?  Wouldn't the time and money be better spent toward something truly constructive?


If he boned my "daughter" that would be animal abuse as the only female in the house that is younger than my wife is a cat. And, no I would not want him to bone her either (my cat or the cat, or even the cat in the hat for that matter).

Damaged goods or not, he is not a product, or a piece of property, but a human being regardless of the derpitude of most people, and when you start thinking of people as property this is what happens:

www.history.com
/no I am not bringing up racism, but rather slavery... slaves came in all shapes, sizes, and colors.
 
2013-04-03 06:53:54 AM

LessO2: RedPhoenix122: It's not an election year?

Erection year.


Just in China.
 
2013-04-03 06:59:04 AM

doglover: J. Frank Parnell: The Snow Dog: Something wrong with castration?

Would probably be considered inhumane to do to people like him, even after all he's done.

But i think it would be interesting to have that as a consequence if he re-offends, and more people would agree that's fair. Maybe even let any woman he attacked do it. With dull rusty scissors.

Ya'll Y'all is be monsters.

6' of rope, 7' of drop.


FTFM
 
2013-04-03 07:03:19 AM

randomjsa: demaL-demaL-yeH: It makes, Voltaire, Franklin, and me happy.
The acceptable number of innocent people jailed is zero.

Meanwhile, back in reality where we have to make real choices with real consequences and not just stand on a stupidly high horse spewing short sighted sanctimony.

We do everything that it is reasonably possible to do to insure innocent people are not punished without screwing up the system so horrifically that almost nobody is ever punished for anything.

You don't accept the system that occasionally falsely punishes the innocent? I don't accept your system... which would break down and destroy society in no time at all. I can accept the dark and awful problems the system I support creates but I have a feeling you would be entirely unwilling to even seriously consider worst case scenarios and the problems with what you're suggesting.


Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs (executing a few innocent people)...

/If it wasn't for DNA, there would be quite a few more dead innocent people, but that's ok because you got the bad ones too right?
 
2013-04-03 07:18:39 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: /no I am not bringing up racism, but rather slavery... slaves came still come in all shapes, sizes, and colors.

FTFY
 
2013-04-03 07:29:15 AM
Meh, serial rapists aren't nearly as terrifying as parallel rapists...
 
2013-04-03 07:55:52 AM

orbister: Metalithic: Members of the US Armed Forces have made a great number of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq suffer. Would you agree, then, that they are evil?

The ones who did it gleefully, yes.

"Gleefully" was not in the definition of evil offered.


It is reasonably inferred from "gloat" and "basking."
 
2013-04-03 08:03:12 AM

doglover: 37 years in jail for rape is a waste of time.

Best Case: The person actually rehabilitates and is then stuck in jail longer than I've been alive.

Worst Case: When I sees a man I likes I tells him "I likes ya, and I wants ya. Now we can do this the easy way or the hard way." I'm a warrior. A Booty Warrior.


This is why it's much easier to just make rape a hangin' crime. It's better for everyone, really.


Yeah, it isn't like anyone ever is falsely convicted of rape or anything
 
2013-04-03 08:10:06 AM
The Angry Hand of God: This is why I can't stand all the Fark retardation against the death penalty. This guy should have been executed.  No questions asked.  If you don't believe he should be killed, then you have to believe that you can rehabilitate someone like this.  Spending over 20 years behind bars will NOT make you a better person.  Once in a while, the justice system will convict an innocent, and in those circumstances, I believe that the prosecutor and all else involved should be held personally accountable for destroying someone's life.

The more likely scenario is that someone that is ""wrongly" convicted of murder is guilty of a million other offenses.  I am not saying that those justify the death penalty, but for f*cks sake, can we please stop pretending that you can go to jail and have a productive life thereafter?  If you served your time, you should not EVER have to admit that you were convicted of a felony when filling out a job application.  You did your time.  If you are wrongly convicted, you are more than screwed for the rest of your life.  I would rather be wrongly convicted and have a bullet in my skull from day 1, than pretend that jail is any sort of rehabilitation

Jury too?  Fact, not one executed person has ever committed another crime.
 
2013-04-03 08:34:23 AM

kronicfeld: orbister: "Gleefully" was not in the definition of evil offered.

It is reasonably inferred from "gloat" and "basking."


It would be, yes, if either "gloat" or "basking" had actually been used. The full quote to which I was responding was "People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition." You'll observe that there is no mention of gloating or basking there.

Even if you add gloating and basking to the definition, does it hold. There is a whore posting in another thread who earns her living by making her clients suffer. Is she evil?
 
2013-04-03 08:38:32 AM
IMO people like this should be required to wear ankle monitors until the day they die. They'll be able to live mostly normal lives, but not so able to hurt people.

What an ankle monitor might look like:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-03 08:48:51 AM

mizchief: SpdrJay: Maybe the judge thought it was just rape, and not rape rape....

read that as "grape rape"


i98.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-03 08:55:30 AM
Uncle Tractor

IMO people like this should be required to wear ankle monitors until the day they die. They'll be able to live mostly normal lives, but not so able to hurt people.

What an ankle monitor might look like:


No sir. that's a boob. You can tell because it's a ... oh down there.
 
2013-04-03 08:58:32 AM
Shouldn't that be two-thirdsway house?
 
2013-04-03 09:05:13 AM

kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.


We have that too. It's called "dangerous offender" status and it's the only thing that allows us to imprison someone indefinitely for a crime that isn't already punishable by life in prison. Why this guy has it is beyond me.

rhondajeremy: If dude finished his whole sentence in prison, the system would be forced to let him go with no community monitoring. They do the statutory release so the system can legally track their every movement.

//not perfect but best system we've got


Came here to say FARKING THIS. He did not get a life sentence (which, even after parole, means you will be under some sort of supervision for the rest of your life), he got 37 years, which strikes me as a bit weird because I didn't know there were sentences longer than 25 years that didn't have life sentences glued to them, but I didn't sleep too well last night and I'm pretty tired so I'm just going with it.

The government owes it to both the offender and the public in the area where he'll eventually be living to re-integrate him into society as best we can because it beats just kicking him out of jail, unemployed and broke at 50 with other cons as his only friends.
 
2013-04-03 09:08:17 AM
Er, why this guy *doesn't have it*.  One hell of a typo there, sparky.
 
2013-04-03 09:31:43 AM
The papers also indicate O'Brien's risk of sexually reoffending is in the high end of the moderate range and that his risk for general violence is in the moderate range.
 It seems that, after all, there are criminals, not people "forced into crime by poverty and oppression."
 
2013-04-03 09:51:12 AM

rosebud_the_sled: "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.


At one end of the spectrum you're a menace that deserves be locked up. At the other end you're just a delusional liar.

If you honestly owned a halfway house and delivered vigilante justice like this, you're a dirtbag of the highest order.

My money is on total farking liar though.
 
2013-04-03 09:55:59 AM

ladyfortuna: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

I have 'liberal' friends who live in St. Johns, and the female member of the family would probably be a prime target (works in tourism industry to boot, ie. low income and more vulnerable). Fark you.


Well, I think she's safe from this particular guy since St. John's is in Newfoundland and Saint John is in New Brunswick. I can't imagine he'd travel to Newfoundland to rape.
 
2013-04-03 09:59:55 AM

Metalithic: orbister: ladyfortuna: doglover: People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.

Agreed.

Members of the US Armed Forces have made a great number of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq suffer. Would you agree, then, that they are evil?

The ones who did it gleefully, yes.


Such as the Obama administration as a whole when they popped champagne bottles on the night they took down OBL?  That was gleeful.  I guess Obama is as evil as the Republicans say he is...according to your blanket stupidity.
 
2013-04-03 10:02:33 AM
Gyrfalcon:

Right now, prison neither punishes nor rehabilitates; and until it actually does one or the other, it will do nothing but provide room and board and a classroom for willing felons.

So you are claiming that people are indifferent to incarceration and that there is a 100% recidivism rate?  Somehow I suspect you are wrong on both claims.
 
2013-04-03 10:04:14 AM

doglover: super_grass: Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others.

But you don't have to make them suffer.

People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.


No.  It's not.
 
2013-04-03 10:08:48 AM
I see the rehabilitation programs at the Dorchester Penitentiary are working well...  http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/09/28/nb_mgsex_000928.html
 
2013-04-03 10:16:16 AM

The Angry Hand of God: This is why I can't stand all the Fark retardation against the death penalty. This guy should have been executed.  No questions asked.  If you don't believe he should be killed, then you have to believe that you can rehabilitate someone like this.  Spending over 20 years behind bars will NOT make you a better person.  Once in a while, the justice system will convict an innocent, and in those circumstances, I believe that the prosecutor and all else involved should be held personally accountable for destroying someone's life.

The more likely scenario is that someone that is ""wrongly" convicted of murder is guilty of a million other offenses.  I am not saying that those justify the death penalty, but for f*cks sake, can we please stop pretending that you can go to jail and have a productive life thereafter?  If you served your time, you should not EVER have to admit that you were convicted of a felony when filling out a job application.  You did your time.  If you are wrongly convicted, you are more than screwed for the rest of your life.  I would rather be wrongly convicted and have a bullet in my skull from day 1, than pretend that jail is any sort of rehabilitation


The problem with the death penalty is that it's final. There's no going back, no way to compensate the convicted for a wrongful conviction. There have been, in the last few years, a LOT of rape conviction reversals where DNA showed beyond a shadow of doubt that the guy convicted could not have committed the crime. Given (1) the varying competences of law enforcement personnel, (2) the documented discrepancy of eyewitness accounts, (3) the fact that our lawyer confrontational / kabuki theater legal system puts a lot of emphasis on not-necessarily-rational jury persuasion, and (4) the nature of the jury pool (and a bunch of various other factors) I suspect that the same applies to death penalty cases.

There are several theories of punishment. Rehabilitation is pretty far down on the plausibility list.
 
2013-04-03 10:19:40 AM

kronicfeld: orbister: Metalithic: Members of the US Armed Forces have made a great number of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq suffer. Would you agree, then, that they are evil?

The ones who did it gleefully, yes.

"Gleefully" was not in the definition of evil offered.

It is reasonably inferred from "gloat" and "basking."


"gloat" and "basking" were not offered either.  That's your contribution.  But, once again, when champagne flowed on May 1, 2011 at the Whitehouse, by this definition, the Obama administration finally matched the images many Republicans have about them: evil
 
2013-04-03 10:49:50 AM
hey it could be worse....they could make him a professor at Columbia University.
c481901.r1.cf2.rackcdn.com
 
2013-04-03 11:20:40 AM

Jim_Callahan: demaL-demaL-yeH: The acceptable number of innocent people jailed is zero.
Your system of not even bothering with laws and courts has been tried.
How are human rights and quality of life in Somalia doing these days?

//Admittedly, erring on the side of avoiding false positives is in fact built into most common-law-based justice systems.  But it's a philosophical guideline based on reasonable standards of proof, whereas the legal term for what you're proposing is "so farking stupid that I lost civics knowledge and IQ points just from reading it".  Your post is the intellectual equivalent of five bottles of Thunderbird and a month's rent spent on lottery tickets, I hope you're proud of yourself.


randomjsa: You don't accept the system that occasionally falsely punishes the innocent? I don't accept your system... which would break down and destroy society in no time at all. I can accept the dark and awful problems the system I support creates but I have a feeling you would be entirely unwilling to even seriously consider worst case scenarios and the problems with what you're suggesting.


I'll try to make this simple for you: The null hypothesis of our criminal justice system is the presumption of innocence.

You are both rejecting the very foundation of our system of justice and substituting a system that accepts random acts of vengeance against innocent persons. No such system can claim to be just.

The reason we presume innocence is because no human being should be deprived of freedom, let alone life, for a crime that person did not commit.  As a society, and as human beings, we realize that a Type II error does not harm innocent people.
Type I errors, on the other hand, cannot ever be compensated. Type I errors where a wrongfully convicted person is executed are not acceptable in any way, shape, or form.

I reject your strawman, Jim, and substitute empirical reality: The legal term for what I'm proposing, maroon, is called "presumption of innocence".
And random, I sincerely hope that you do not experience a Type I error at your sedition trial.
 
2013-04-03 11:52:57 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Jim_Callahan: demaL-demaL-yeH: The acceptable number of innocent people jailed is zero.
Your system of not even bothering with laws and courts has been tried.
How are human rights and quality of life in Somalia doing these days?

//Admittedly, erring on the side of avoiding false positives is in fact built into most common-law-based justice systems.  But it's a philosophical guideline based on reasonable standards of proof, whereas the legal term for what you're proposing is "so farking stupid that I lost civics knowledge and IQ points just from reading it".  Your post is the intellectual equivalent of five bottles of Thunderbird and a month's rent spent on lottery tickets, I hope you're proud of yourself.

randomjsa: You don't accept the system that occasionally falsely punishes the innocent? I don't accept your system... which would break down and destroy society in no time at all. I can accept the dark and awful problems the system I support creates but I have a feeling you would be entirely unwilling to even seriously consider worst case scenarios and the problems with what you're suggesting.

I'll try to make this simple for you: The null hypothesis of our criminal justice system is the presumption of innocence.

You are both rejecting the very foundation of our system of justice and substituting a system that accepts random acts of vengeance against innocent persons. No such system can claim to be just.

The reason we presume innocence is because no human being should be deprived of freedom, let alone life, for a crime that person did not commit.  As a society, and as human beings, we realize that a Type II error does not harm innocent people.
Type I errors, on the other hand, cannot ever be compensated. Type I errors where a wrongfully convicted person is executed are not acceptable in any way, shape, or form.

I reject your strawman, Jim, and substitute empirical reality: The legal term for what I'm proposing, maroon, is called "presumption of innocence".
An ...


*golf clap*  well done indeed.
 
2013-04-03 11:58:06 AM
High end of moderate likelihood to reoffend. Raped 8 women. Didn't serve his full term.
 
2013-04-03 12:23:24 PM

machoprogrammer: doglover: 37 years in jail for rape is a waste of time.

Best Case: The person actually rehabilitates and is then stuck in jail longer than I've been alive.

Worst Case: When I sees a man I likes I tells him "I likes ya, and I wants ya. Now we can do this the easy way or the hard way." I'm a warrior. A Booty Warrior.


This is why it's much easier to just make rape a hangin' crime. It's better for everyone, really.

Yeah, it isn't like anyone ever is falsely convicted of rape or anything


Women never lie about such a thing, you dirty misogynist. In fact, they are incapable of lying in general.
 
2013-04-03 01:17:08 PM
If you house him with a women on parole for prostitution that would willingly bang him, could you keep two people from re-offending?
 
2013-04-03 01:21:05 PM

ladyfortuna: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

I have 'liberal' friends who live in St. Johns, and the female member of the family would probably be a prime target (works in tourism industry to boot, ie. low income and more vulnerable). Fark you.


of course i don't want to put your cousin (or anyone) in danger.
my point is, the liberal left are generally the ones (aclu) pleading for leniency, shorter sentences...etc...but of course they don't want these monsters released near them.

sort of the way they want to give poor people junk food and funds to buy drugs, as long as it is somebody else's money.
 
2013-04-03 01:22:58 PM

Flakeloaf: We have that too. It's called "dangerous offender" status and it's the only thing that allows us to imprison someone indefinitely for a crime that isn't already punishable by life in prison.


It's an IPP in the UK: Indeterminate sentence for Public Protection.
 
2013-04-03 02:11:52 PM

The Angry Hand of God: This is why I can't stand all the Fark retardation against the death penalty. This guy should have been executed.  No questions asked.  If you don't believe he should be killed, then you have to believe that you can rehabilitate someone like this.  Spending over 20 years behind bars will NOT make you a better person.  Once in a while, the justice system will convict an innocent, and in those circumstances, I believe that the prosecutor and all else involved should be held personally accountable for destroying someone's life.


Wrongful executions are a serious problem, but a much larger problem is that it's much better to be raped than raped and murdered. In states with the death penalty for rape before it was struck down, rape-murders were tremendously higher than in states with regular prison sentences. Bring back the death penalty for rape, and rapists will go back to silencing victims routinely.

My ideal: Mental institutions. These people have a few screws loose, and if we can medicate them, great. If they're total psychos who don't feel pain or pity, throw away the key.

I wish people would wake up to the fact that psychopaths exist everywhere, not just among the homeless drifters, and start working on legit ways to remove them permanently from a society they'd like to burn to the ground.
 
2013-04-03 02:20:59 PM

Popular Opinion: ladyfortuna: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

I have 'liberal' friends who live in St. Johns, and the female member of the family would probably be a prime target (works in tourism industry to boot, ie. low income and more vulnerable). Fark you.

of course i don't want to put your cousin (or anyone) in danger.
my point is, the liberal left are generally the ones (aclu) pleading for leniency, shorter sentences...etc...but of course they don't want these monsters released near them.

sort of the way they want to give poor people junk food and funds to buy drugs, as long as it is somebody else's money.


The ACLU doesn't plead for leniency, that's your derp showing. They force governments to stop ignoring abuse of the powerless, or railroading them into jail, because before they stepped onto the scene things like sundown towns, coerced and falsified confessions, and beatings for being arrested as a hippie were perfectly normal. They force agencies to cross their i's and dot their t's, rather than taking shortcuts just because they think guy looks guilty of something and want to put someone away.

They review tens of thousands of cases a year and only take a handful of promising ones. You don't see all the times that they get a case packet and say, "There's no way this guy didn't do it. NOPE."
 
2013-04-03 02:30:22 PM

foxyshadis: Popular Opinion: ladyfortuna: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

I have 'liberal' friends who live in St. Johns, and the female member of the family would probably be a prime target (works in tourism industry to boot, ie. low income and more vulnerable). Fark you.

of course i don't want to put your cousin (or anyone) in danger.
my point is, the liberal left are generally the ones (aclu) pleading for leniency, shorter sentences...etc...but of course they don't want these monsters released near them.

sort of the way they want to give poor people junk food and funds to buy drugs, as long as it is somebody else's money.

The ACLU doesn't plead for leniency, that's your derp showing. They force governments to stop ignoring abuse of the powerless, or railroading them into jail, because before they stepped onto the scene things like sundown towns, coerced and falsified confessions, and beatings for being arrested as a hippie were perfectly normal. They force agencies to cross their i's and dot their t's, rather than taking shortcuts just because they think guy looks guilty of something and want to put someone away.

They review tens of thousands of cases a year and only take a handful of promising ones. You don't see all the times that they get a case packet and say, "There's no way this guy didn't do it. NOPE."


you are largely correct...so i'll backtrack some

however, working to have known criminals set free because of clerical errors or lack of procedural accuracy is hardly protecting the public....
they should keep the perp in jail, and prosecute the bad cops or entities that failed to follow the rules.
 
2013-04-03 03:19:58 PM

Popular Opinion: however, working to have known criminals set free because of clerical errors or lack of procedural accuracy is hardly protecting the public....
they should keep the perp in jail, and prosecute the bad cops or entities that failed to follow the rules.


Yes, it'd be better to require resubmission of evidence and allow extra appeals, or at most a retrial, than to just give up and spring the guy. Agreed on that. But at least turning a DA's big win into a big loss down the road is likely to get them to think twice about future cases.
 
2013-04-03 05:47:45 PM

foxyshadis: Popular Opinion: however, working to have known criminals set free because of clerical errors or lack of procedural accuracy is hardly protecting the public....
they should keep the perp in jail, and prosecute the bad cops or entities that failed to follow the rules.

Yes, it'd be better to require resubmission of evidence and allow extra appeals, or at most a retrial, than to just give up and spring the guy. Agreed on that. But at least turning a DA's big win into a big loss down the road is likely to get them to think twice about future cases.


bottom line, you don't let a known rapist free on technicalities, which is somethig they do, so eff them.
If you cannot fix the cops without letting a known rapist free, keep your trap shut.
 
2013-04-03 10:26:20 PM
HindiDiscoMonster: Damaged goods or not, he is not a product, or a piece of property, but a human being regardless of the derpitude of most people, and when you start thinking of people as property this is what happens:

Just being born into the world does not make you a human being.  Your own true respect for the value of your existence determines your own value as a human being.  For good or bad, most things walking and talking on this planet are not human beings, just chunks of meat waiting to die.  It has nothing to do with how much money they have, their "breeding", their ethnic background or the schools they attended.

It has nothing to do with thinking of people as "property" either.  Someone who just exists, does not deserve respect from me, because they do not respect themselves.  Why would anyone want to own something of no value?
 
2013-04-03 11:54:51 PM
why are jails filled with people who smoked a joint
while dirtballs like this get to walk around?

he clearly forfeited his right to play
long ago.

people who approved his release
should be made to clothe and house him.
 
2013-04-04 12:19:01 AM

Uncle Tractor: IMO people like this should be required to wear ankle monitors until the day they die. They'll be able to live mostly normal lives, but not so able to hurt people.

What an ankle monitor might look like:
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There are several things disturbing about that pic.  But I'm onboard with your idea.
 
2013-04-04 10:06:58 AM
So a convict serves his sentence and gets paroled, and people have a problem with this.

So what, "law and courts be damned, keep them in jail forever!"? That's not how it works.
 
2013-04-04 10:57:12 AM
25 years for rape is way more than most rapists get.
 
2013-04-04 09:48:59 PM

raatz01: 25 years for rape is way more than most rapists get.


and far less than they all deserve.
 
2013-04-04 10:46:57 PM

MaritimeGirl: ladyfortuna: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

I have 'liberal' friends who live in St. Johns, and the female member of the family would probably be a prime target (works in tourism industry to boot, ie. low income and more vulnerable). Fark you.

Well, I think she's safe from this particular guy since St. John's is in Newfoundland and Saint John is in New Brunswick. I can't imagine he'd travel to Newfoundland to rape.


Bah. Well, despite my super-late-night-tired-beyond-belief geographic error, I'm sure SOMEONE could say the same about the place. So I still say, fark him.
 
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