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2013-04-03 01:25:29 AM

bunner: universebetween: why so butthurt subby?

Oh, go the f*ck away, ffs.  What are you, 12?  *click*


wow. I crossed al ine on Fark? At least Jesus will forgive me.
 
2013-04-03 01:26:23 AM

albatros183: ....
,
+1
i can understand greed, envy, hunger...why people steal, or sell stuff...

but to get pleasure from hurting women or children? that cannot be fixed.
let god decide.
if there is no god, we are just killing a defective monkey.

Nice mishmash, it almost like putting a strawman, so you can not respond you C onservitive scum

/Clearer NOW?


why conservatives? and why scum?
conservatives would have executed this perv.
you might be a bit off kilter.
 
2013-04-03 01:29:34 AM

bunner: I would like to encourage a petition to the legislature that would make sexual assault a capital crime.

Also, I went up the the Haaji mart earlier and there were two cats in there who were baked.  I mean baked.  They stank of weed.

They didn't seem to be violent or rapey.

I bet there's LOTS of room in the prisons for violent vomit pails if we cut loose the stoners.


Considering that there is a SCOTUS ruling striking that down...
 
2013-04-03 01:30:13 AM

Popular Opinion: albatros183: ....
,
+1
i can understand greed, envy, hunger...why people steal, or sell stuff...

but to get pleasure from hurting women or children? that cannot be fixed.
let god decide.
if there is no god, we are just killing a defective monkey.

Nice mishmash, it almost like putting a strawman, so you can not respond you C onservitive scum

/Clearer NOW?

why conservatives? and why scum?
conservatives would have executed this perv.
you might be a bit off kilter.


OK I'll give you 8/10

/Or you could be a complete dishonest moron
//Moose in the studio?
///Escalating quickly
 
2013-04-03 01:31:29 AM

SN1987a goes boom: Considering that there is a SCOTUS ruling striking that down...


This dump needs an enema.
 
2013-04-03 01:35:09 AM

The Snow Dog: Something wrong with castration?


Would probably be considered inhumane to do to people like him, even after all he's done.

But i think it would be interesting to have that as a consequence if he re-offends, and more people would agree that's fair. Maybe even let any woman he attacked do it. With dull rusty scissors.
 
2013-04-03 01:39:25 AM
This is why I can't stand all the Fark retardation against the death penalty. This guy should have been executed.  No questions asked.  If you don't believe he should be killed, then you have to believe that you can rehabilitate someone like this.  Spending over 20 years behind bars will NOT make you a better person.  Once in a while, the justice system will convict an innocent, and in those circumstances, I believe that the prosecutor and all else involved should be held personally accountable for destroying someone's life.

The more likely scenario is that someone that is ""wrongly" convicted of murder is guilty of a million other offenses.  I am not saying that those justify the death penalty, but for f*cks sake, can we please stop pretending that you can go to jail and have a productive life thereafter?  If you served your time, you should not EVER have to admit that you were convicted of a felony when filling out a job application.  You did your time.  If you are wrongly convicted, you are more than screwed for the rest of your life.  I would rather be wrongly convicted and have a bullet in my skull from day 1, than pretend that jail is any sort of rehabilitation
 
2013-04-03 01:39:59 AM
Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.
 
2013-04-03 01:40:01 AM

J. Frank Parnell: The Snow Dog: Something wrong with castration?

Would probably be considered inhumane to do to people like him, even after all he's done.

But i think it would be interesting to have that as a consequence if he re-offends, and more people would agree that's fair. Maybe even let any woman he attacked do it. With dull rusty scissors.


Ya'll is monsters.

6' of rope, 7' of drop.
 
2013-04-03 01:47:19 AM

bunner: SN1987a goes boom: Considering that there is a SCOTUS ruling striking that down...

This dump needs an enema.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coker_v._Georgia
 
2013-04-03 01:48:24 AM

Rendus: He's already spent 24 years in prison. 24 years.

Think about that.

If the penal system actually rehabilitated people, he'd either be rehabilitated by now, or never. It isn't as if he did 2/3rds of a month, he did 1/4th of a century.

But our system doesn't rehabilitate anyway, so 24 years in prison just gave him plenty of time to learn to be a better criminal, ensured he has no marketable skills in a job market he can barely enter as a felon anyway, and a severely skewed perspective on the world. On the low end, the man's 42 years old and has a hell of a hard life ahead of him (not to say the women he was convicted of raping have had it any easier, but the article and title aren't about them either).


Hey, Las Vegas man, this guy's in Canada's system.

At least he'll come out polite.
 
2013-04-03 01:52:43 AM

rosebud_the_sled: In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.


And those were your altruistic years!

Altruism and selfishness boil down to the same thing:  doing what makes you feel better.
 
2013-04-03 02:03:08 AM

rosebud_the_sled: HindiDiscoMonster:

Thanks, in part, to people just like you.

I assume you would want him boning your daughter?

Damaged goods are damaged goods.  Do you want to commit the time to truly rehabilitate someone so they can become average?  Wouldn't the time and money be better spent toward something truly constructive?


O, boy, speaking of damaged goods... So in your altruistic years you ran a half-way house.  Have you moved on to running a slaughterhouse, or are you semi-retired and working the gas pump at the animal shelter thrice a week?
 
2013-04-03 02:06:03 AM

universebetween: bunner: universebetween: why so butthurt subby?

Oh, go the f*ck away, ffs.  What are you, 12?  *click*

wow. I crossed al ine on Fark? At least Jesus will forgive me.


Not that one.  Silly_Jesus will gift you TF, though.
 
2013-04-03 02:11:25 AM

kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.


Coalinga State (Mental) Hospital.  850 violent sex offenders too dangerous to release.  Tough crowd.
 
2013-04-03 02:11:42 AM
I guess I'll pass on the Lucky Charms then.
 
2013-04-03 02:17:29 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rosebud_the_sled: In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.

And those were your altruistic years!

Altruism and selfishness boil down to the same thing:  doing what makes you feel better.



^ Wisdom of ages. ^
 
2013-04-03 02:17:58 AM

BarkingUnicorn: kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.

Coalinga State (Mental) Hospital.  850 violent sex offenders too dangerous to release.  Tough crowd.


I wonder if there are any successfully 'cured' and released patients?

Or at least some who find a measure of peace there.  Which, surrounded by so much other crazy, seems like a pretty big long shot.
 
2013-04-03 02:20:00 AM

Amos Quito: BarkingUnicorn: rosebud_the_sled: In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.

And those were your altruistic years!

Altruism and selfishness boil down to the same thing:  doing what makes you feel better.


^ Wisdom of ages. ^


Are you a wizard?
 
2013-04-03 02:22:33 AM
BarkingUnicorn~

Coaling station A.
 
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2013-04-03 02:28:40 AM
O'Brien was dubbed the Motorcycle Rapist because he was wearing a helmet and riding a motorcycle in many of the cases, most of which occurred in rural and secluded areas in and around the Halifax area.

How was he caught if nobody could identify him?
 
2013-04-03 02:29:01 AM

Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.

Coalinga State (Mental) Hospital.  850 violent sex offenders too dangerous to release.  Tough crowd.

I wonder if there are any successfully 'cured' and released patients?

Or at least some who find a measure of peace there.  Which, surrounded by so much other crazy, seems like a pretty big long shot.


RTFA.  Sex offender treatment is optional and only 1/3 of inmates take it.
 
2013-04-03 02:30:19 AM

Point02GPA: BarkingUnicorn~

Coaling station A.


Even Google doesn't know what you're talking about, so how should I?
 
2013-04-03 02:38:09 AM
Normally I don't agree with eye for an eye punishments, but I'm willing to make an exception for this one.  There are certain people too damaged to safely exist in society, and keeping them locked up is wasteful, expensive, and offers zero catharsis to people like me who wants to see criminals suffer.

fark rehabilitation, the job of the penal system is to server as a deterrent and to dish out retribution.  Crime and punishment is something that the Saudis have done right and we should do more to follow its footsteps. Did you see the recent case where they decided to punish a man who paralyzed another person by forcefully him? That's justice - old school.
 
2013-04-03 02:45:44 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.

Coalinga State (Mental) Hospital.  850 violent sex offenders too dangerous to release.  Tough crowd.

I wonder if there are any successfully 'cured' and released patients?

Or at least some who find a measure of peace there.  Which, surrounded by so much other crazy, seems like a pretty big long shot.

RTFA.  Sex offender treatment is optional and only 1/3 of inmates take it.


I dnrta, but 1/3 taking the option doesn't answer either of my musings. They might have a release rate on the 1/3 who try and even a recidivist number, but even then with how many rapes go unreported and rape kits go untested who the hell knows.

Fwiw though my questions were rhetorical, I was not demanding you find me the data.
 
2013-04-03 02:47:46 AM

super_grass: people like me who wants to see criminals suffer.


So... Evil People.
 
2013-04-03 02:50:45 AM

albatros183: Amos Quito: BarkingUnicorn: rosebud_the_sled: In my altruistic years, I owned and ran a half-way house for a few years to help out the disadvantaged.  From time to time, a guy like that would come by to fill out my paperwork, so I could do a background check.  My friends in law enforcement would come by and say, "Don't rent a room to that guy and make sure he falls down the steps on the way out."  I was always happy to oblige.

And those were your altruistic years!

Altruism and selfishness boil down to the same thing:  doing what makes you feel better.


^ Wisdom of ages. ^

Are you a wizard?



Unquestionably.
 
2013-04-03 02:54:42 AM

doglover: super_grass: people like me who wants to see criminals suffer.

So... Evil People.


Normal, upstanding members of society.

Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others. Stories like this is why I'm glad the US still has a (somewhat neutered) death penalty.
 
2013-04-03 03:04:09 AM

Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.


I do, as it happens, believe in rehabilitation.

However, I don't believe that's what's going on in our prisons today. What we do is warehouse criminals for a designated period of time (their "sentence") until they can be returned to wherever it is they came from, usually worse than when they were incarcerated. Then they will invariably return to prison, having committed another, often more heinous crime than they did before.

Now, if we DID rehabilitate criminals in prison--as they do in some Scandinavian countries, from what I understand--then we might have a lower recidivism rate, and a lower crime rate overall. But till then, please don't pretend that it's because "liberals" believe that prison rehabilitates and wiser "conservatives" know that prison is for punishment, and it's just that criminals are too evil and/or stupid to appreciate that prison is really for their own good in either case.

Right now, prison neither punishes nor rehabilitates; and until it actually does one or the other, it will do nothing but provide room and board and a classroom for willing felons.
 
2013-04-03 03:08:58 AM

Gyrfalcon: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

I do, as it happens, believe in rehabilitation.

However, I don't believe that's what's going on in our prisons today. What we do is warehouse criminals for a designated period of time (their "sentence") until they can be returned to wherever it is they came from, usually worse than when they were incarcerated. Then they will invariably return to prison, having committed another, often more heinous crime than they did before.

Now, if we DID rehabilitate criminals in prison--as they do in some Scandinavian countries, from what I understand--then we might have a lower recidivism rate, and a lower crime rate overall. But till then, please don't pretend that it's because "liberals" believe that prison rehabilitates and wiser "conservatives" know that prison is for punishment, and it's just that criminals are too evil and/or stupid to appreciate that prison is really for their own good in either case.

Right now, prison neither punishes nor rehabilitates; and until it actually does one or the other, it will do nothing but provide room and board and a classroom for willing felons.


Nicely put...Thanks.
 
2013-04-03 03:09:55 AM
If dude finished his whole sentence in prison, the system would be forced to let him go with no community monitoring. They do the statutory release so the system can legally track their every movement.

//not perfect but best system we've got
 
2013-04-03 03:11:07 AM

super_grass: Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others.


But you don't have to make them suffer.

People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.
 
2013-04-03 03:11:16 AM

Gyrfalcon: Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.

I do, as it happens, believe in rehabilitation.

However, I don't believe that's what's going on in our prisons today. What we do is warehouse criminals for a designated period of time (their "sentence") until they can be returned to wherever it is they came from, usually worse than when they were incarcerated. Then they will invariably return to prison, having committed another, often more heinous crime than they did before.

Now, if we DID rehabilitate criminals in prison--as they do in some Scandinavian countries, from what I understand--then we might have a lower recidivism rate, and a lower crime rate overall. But till then, please don't pretend that it's because "liberals" believe that prison rehabilitates and wiser "conservatives" know that prison is for punishment, and it's just that criminals are too evil and/or stupid to appreciate that prison is really for their own good in either case.

Right now, prison neither punishes nor rehabilitates; and until it actually does one or the other, it will do nothing but provide room and board and a classroom for willing felons.


Didn't we USE to rehabilitate until Nixon decided to reinforce "law and order".
 
2013-04-03 03:11:21 AM
I hope the motorcycle dealerships near St. John have high barbwire fences.
 
2013-04-03 03:21:48 AM

Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: kazrak: Cases like this are why you get sexually-violent predator laws in many US states.  These are basically laws for committing someone to a mental hospital "until cured" (read: until they die) if a jury decides they meet the criteria - convicted of a violent sexual offense, diagnosed with mental illness, and likely to reoffend.

/ Sat on one of those juries.
// Sent the guy to Coalinga.
/// No regrets.  Guy had raped at least four kids that he admitted to.

Coalinga State (Mental) Hospital.  850 violent sex offenders too dangerous to release.  Tough crowd.

I wonder if there are any successfully 'cured' and released patients?

Or at least some who find a measure of peace there.  Which, surrounded by so much other crazy, seems like a pretty big long shot.

RTFA.  Sex offender treatment is optional and only 1/3 of inmates take it.

I dnrta, but 1/3 taking the option doesn't answer either of my musings. They might have a release rate on the 1/3 who try and even a recidivist number, but even then with how many rapes go unreported and rape kits go untested who the hell knows.

Fwiw though my questions were rhetorical, I was not demanding you find me the data.


De nada. I'm curious too.  Not curious enough to read the whole wiki article, though. :-)
 
2013-04-03 03:29:53 AM
Put him on a 20000 calorie a day maple syrup diet. The Diabetes and obesity will fix him right up.
 
2013-04-03 03:39:56 AM

doglover: super_grass: Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others.

But you don't have to make them suffer.

People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.


It's catharsis/retribution/debt to society.

A wrong cannot be undone without inflicting punishment regardless of whether or not the convicted has learned his lesson . This drive to hand out suffering in order to even out the score is the basis of society's view of justice and the legal system.
 
2013-04-03 03:55:04 AM
"Punishing" criminals makes about as much sense as "punishing" cancer.
 
2013-04-03 04:19:37 AM

super_grass: doglover: super_grass: Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others.

But you don't have to make them suffer.

People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.

It's catharsis/retribution/debt to society.

A wrong cannot be undone without inflicting punishment regardless of whether or not the convicted has learned his lesson . This drive to hand out suffering in order to even out the score is the basis of society's view of justice and the legal system.


Yeah, if you're evil.

An evil man likes to gloat and watch his victim squirm, basking in the power over another just like you describe.

A good man will administer an appropriate punishment without being overly cruel or any particular enjoyment.


Face it, you're evil.
 
2013-04-03 04:23:09 AM
I dunno about rehabilitated, but he's a 50-year-old aging ex-con now so some of the behavior issues as a teenager have probably been worn down by age if nothing else.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "Punishing" criminals makes about as much sense as "punishing" cancer.


It functions as a deterrent to some degree.  It's certainly not the entire solution to the problem of crime, but it actually solves a large chunk of it.  Negative reinforcement is good at preventing impulse crimes and some planned crimes as long as the punishment is sufficiently disproportionate.

It mainly fails when the risk of punishment is "worth it", e.g. the threat of getting caught and going to prison won't stop someone that has something deeply personal against you that's truly out for blood, but it will keep most petty criminals just in it for the money from considering killing you for your wallet a viable option.
 
2013-04-03 04:31:21 AM

Popular Opinion: release him in a liberal neighborhood where they believe in rehabilitation.


I have 'liberal' friends who live in St. Johns, and the female member of the family would probably be a prime target (works in tourism industry to boot, ie. low income and more vulnerable). Fark you.
 
2013-04-03 04:37:45 AM

The Angry Hand of God: Once in a while, the justice system will convict an innocent, and in those circumstances, I believe that the prosecutor and all else involved should be held personally accountable for destroying someone's life.


Congratulations. You have just make it almost impossible to convict someone of a violent crime, or even to prosecute them for it.

The more likely scenario is that someone that is ""wrongly" convicted of murder is guilty of a million other offenses.  I am not saying that those justify the death penalty, but for f*cks sake, can we please stop pretending that you can go to jail and have a productive life thereafter?

Your hypothesis, then, is that nobody who goes to gaol ever lives a productive life afterwards?
 
2013-04-03 04:41:12 AM

orbister: Congratulations. You have just make it almost impossible to convict someone of a violent crime, or even to prosecute them for it.


It makes, Voltaire, Franklin, and me happy.
The acceptable number of innocent people jailed is zero.
 
2013-04-03 04:52:10 AM

doglover: super_grass: Vermin deserve to be eradicated lest they are allowed to fester and harm others.

But you don't have to make them suffer.

People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.


Agreed.
 
2013-04-03 05:19:50 AM

ladyfortuna: doglover: People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.

Agreed.


Members of the US Armed Forces have made a great number of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq suffer. Would you agree, then, that they are evil?
 
2013-04-03 05:47:53 AM

orbister: ladyfortuna: doglover: People who make other people suffer are evil. That's pretty much the definition.

Agreed.

Members of the US Armed Forces have made a great number of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq suffer. Would you agree, then, that they are evil?


The ones who did it gleefully, yes.
 
2013-04-03 05:47:58 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: It makes, Voltaire, Franklin, and me happy.
The acceptable number of innocent people jailed is zero.


Meanwhile, back in reality where we have to make real choices with real consequences and not just stand on a stupidly high horse spewing short sighted sanctimony.

We do everything that it is reasonably possible to do to insure innocent people are not punished without screwing up the system so horrifically that almost nobody is ever punished for anything.

You don't accept the system that occasionally falsely punishes the innocent? I don't accept your system... which would break down and destroy society in no time at all. I can accept the dark and awful problems the system I support creates but I have a feeling you would be entirely unwilling to even seriously consider worst case scenarios and the problems with what you're suggesting.
 
2013-04-03 05:58:29 AM
Knock knock
Who's there?
Land shark
Oh, I don't believe you.  Who is it really?
40 lb box of rape
Ok, come in!
 
2013-04-03 06:15:38 AM

Metalithic: Members of the US Armed Forces have made a great number of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq suffer. Would you agree, then, that they are evil?

The ones who did it gleefully, yes.


"Gleefully" was not in the definition of evil offered.
 
2013-04-03 06:32:20 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: The acceptable number of innocent people jailed is zero.


Your system of not even bothering with laws and courts has been tried.

How are human rights and quality of life in Somalia doing these days?

//Admittedly, erring on the side of avoiding false positives is in fact built into most common-law-based justice systems.  But it's a philosophical guideline based on reasonable standards of proof, whereas the legal term for what you're proposing is "so farking stupid that I lost civics knowledge and IQ points just from reading it".  Your post is the intellectual equivalent of five bottles of Thunderbird and a month's rent spent on lottery tickets, I hope you're proud of yourself.
 
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