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2013-04-02 07:18:38 PM
That song from "Patch Adams"?
 
2013-04-02 08:01:20 PM
I liked the theme song damnit.
 
2013-04-02 08:03:56 PM
The theme song wasn't nearly as embarrassing as all seven seasons of Voyager.
 
2013-04-02 08:12:22 PM
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-02 08:20:42 PM
The song was terrible but the montage during it was pretty cool. They even did a mirror universe version.
 
2013-04-02 08:21:28 PM
I didn't mind the theme song at all. Hell, I didn't mind that it was a century before Kirk or that Vulcans were utter douchenozzles. What I did mind was the lousy writing of the first season and first half or so of the second season. Every other episode was Archer getting kidnapped or stuck somewhere or something along the lines of him being away from the ship. The Xindi arc was an improvement, but the 4th season was when things really kicked into gear and started looking like a precursor to the Original Series era. Of course most of the people who would have liked that had been driven away by the earlier episodes which put the ratings in the crapper. And don't get me started on that final episode.

Of course, I prefer to think of the novel "The Good That Men Do" (with Trip's death being faked and him starting Section 31 in earnest) as being the true ending of the series. If you haven't read it then I'd recommend that you do, it also involves DS9 characters too.
 
2013-04-02 08:25:59 PM
The theme song did make it hard to stick around through the first commercial break. My hand instinctively searches for a remote control at the sound of the first few notes of that thing and the Friends song too.
 
2013-04-02 08:46:30 PM
The theme song sucked huge donkey nutz.

The first season sucked, they started to get it together in the second season, and it was firing on all cylinders when they cancelled it.

Thanks Obama.
 
2013-04-02 08:48:36 PM
In a Mirror, Darkly had better theme music.
 
2013-04-02 08:53:42 PM
Journeyman > Quantum Leap
 
2013-04-02 09:03:27 PM

Mentat: I liked the theme song damnit.


I loved the theme song. It was awesome, no matter what some people say.
 
2013-04-02 09:57:12 PM
It doesn't take quantum leap to say he did it all for the money.
 
2013-04-02 09:59:05 PM
Star Trek rant on.

After watching nothing but Star Trek episodes on Hulu all of last month I have come to the conclusion that Starfleet and the Federation are a bunch of idiots. A few random things I've never understood:

How come every time they do battle they get their asses handed to them? Sure they eventually get out alive, but only by the skin of their teeth. How the hell did they get to be the superpower of the galaxy when every battle they get into cripples them?

What the hell is with their computer security? How many times has someone transported off the ship, stolen a shuttlecraft or sent a secret message through subspace by simply bypassing the security codes? If they're that easy to bypass then they aren't very secure codes are they?

Why is it that in every episode involving the holodeck it screws up in one way or another, putting the ship and crew in peril? Why the hell do they put these malfunctioning deathtraps on starships?

How is it they can communicate millions of light-years across space but they can't contact an away team when they're in a cave?

How come when there's a medical emergency on board they transport the person directly to sickbay, yet when there's a security breach they travel half way across the ship on foot?

Why does every major system on the ship break down so damn easily? They take one little phaser blast and even though the shields are still up something will break down. Not only that but it's almost always the system they need the most at that moment. Isn't the point of shields to absorb the damage so the ship doesn't?

Why does everything have to be done manually? Shouldn't emergency procedures come automatically? If the hull of the ship is blasted away shouldn't the ship automatically put up a temporary force field in its place? If the shields go down in battle shouldn't emergency power automatically be rerouted to them?

Ok I'm done for now.
 
2013-04-02 10:38:25 PM
I liked the theme song

/the show blew cloven-hooved ruminant
 
2013-04-02 10:41:03 PM

ReapTheChaos: Star Trek rant on.

After watching nothing but Star Trek episodes on Hulu all of last month I have come to the conclusion that Starfleet and the Federation are a bunch of idiots. A few random things I've never understood:

How come every time they do battle they get their asses handed to them? Sure they eventually get out alive, but only by the skin of their teeth. How the hell did they get to be the superpower of the galaxy when every battle they get into cripples them?

What the hell is with their computer security? How many times has someone transported off the ship, stolen a shuttlecraft or sent a secret message through subspace by simply bypassing the security codes? If they're that easy to bypass then they aren't very secure codes are they?

Why is it that in every episode involving the holodeck it screws up in one way or another, putting the ship and crew in peril? Why the hell do they put these malfunctioning deathtraps on starships?

How is it they can communicate millions of light-years across space but they can't contact an away team when they're in a cave?

How come when there's a medical emergency on board they transport the person directly to sickbay, yet when there's a security breach they travel half way across the ship on foot?

Why does every major system on the ship break down so damn easily? They take one little phaser blast and even though the shields are still up something will break down. Not only that but it's almost always the system they need the most at that moment. Isn't the point of shields to absorb the damage so the ship doesn't?

Why does everything have to be done manually? Shouldn't emergency procedures come automatically? If the hull of the ship is blasted away shouldn't the ship automatically put up a temporary force field in its place? If the shields go down in battle shouldn't emergency power automatically be rerouted to them?

Ok I'm done for now.


C. Writers
 
2013-04-02 10:41:04 PM

The English Major: The theme song wasn't nearly as embarrassing as all seven seasons of Voyager.


That theme song is a crime against humanity, and Living Witness is one of the best episodes of Star Trek.  It's up there with Inner Light and In the Pale Moonlight.
 
2013-04-02 10:56:56 PM

ReapTheChaos: Star Trek rant on.

After watching nothing but Star Trek episodes on Hulu all of last month I have come to the conclusion that Starfleet and the Federation are a bunch of idiots. A few random things I've never understood:

How come every time they do battle they get their asses handed to them? Sure they eventually get out alive, but only by the skin of their teeth. How the hell did they get to be the superpower of the galaxy when every battle they get into cripples them?

What the hell is with their computer security? How many times has someone transported off the ship, stolen a shuttlecraft or sent a secret message through subspace by simply bypassing the security codes? If they're that easy to bypass then they aren't very secure codes are they?

Why is it that in every episode involving the holodeck it screws up in one way or another, putting the ship and crew in peril? Why the hell do they put these malfunctioning deathtraps on starships?

How is it they can communicate millions of light-years across space but they can't contact an away team when they're in a cave?

How come when there's a medical emergency on board they transport the person directly to sickbay, yet when there's a security breach they travel half way across the ship on foot?

Why does every major system on the ship break down so damn easily? They take one little phaser blast and even though the shields are still up something will break down. Not only that but it's almost always the system they need the most at that moment. Isn't the point of shields to absorb the damage so the ship doesn't?

Why does everything have to be done manually? Shouldn't emergency procedures come automatically? If the hull of the ship is blasted away shouldn't the ship automatically put up a temporary force field in its place? If the shields go down in battle shouldn't emergency power automatically be rerouted to them?

Ok I'm done for now.


And why do they put explosives inside every console?
 
2013-04-02 11:00:12 PM

ReapTheChaos: Star Trek rant on.

After watching nothing but Star Trek episodes on Hulu all of last month I have come to the conclusion that Starfleet and the Federation are a bunch of idiots. A few random things I've never understood:

How come every time they do battle they get their asses handed to them? Sure they eventually get out alive, but only by the skin of their teeth. How the hell did they get to be the superpower of the galaxy when every battle they get into cripples them?

What the hell is with their computer security? How many times has someone transported off the ship, stolen a shuttlecraft or sent a secret message through subspace by simply bypassing the security codes? If they're that easy to bypass then they aren't very secure codes are they?

Why is it that in every episode involving the holodeck it screws up in one way or another, putting the ship and crew in peril? Why the hell do they put these malfunctioning deathtraps on starships?

How is it they can communicate millions of light-years across space but they can't contact an away team when they're in a cave?

How come when there's a medical emergency on board they transport the person directly to sickbay, yet when there's a security breach they travel half way across the ship on foot?

Why does every major system on the ship break down so damn easily? They take one little phaser blast and even though the shields are still up something will break down. Not only that but it's almost always the system they need the most at that moment. Isn't the point of shields to absorb the damage so the ship doesn't?

Why does everything have to be done manually? Shouldn't emergency procedures come automatically? If the hull of the ship is blasted away shouldn't the ship automatically put up a temporary force field in its place? If the shields go down in battle shouldn't emergency power automatically be rerouted to them?

Ok I'm done for now.


And why do all the aliens speak English, amirite?
 
2013-04-02 11:08:55 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I liked the theme song

/the show blew cloven-hooved ruminant


I liked the Rod Stewart version of the theme song.

/only seen Carbon Creek and the last episode that was a TNG episode in disguise
 
2013-04-02 11:09:07 PM

Mentat: ReapTheChaos: Star Trek rant on.

After watching nothing but Star Trek episodes on Hulu all of last month I have come to the conclusion that Starfleet and the Federation are a bunch of idiots. A few random things I've never understood:

How come every time they do battle they get their asses handed to them? Sure they eventually get out alive, but only by the skin of their teeth. How the hell did they get to be the superpower of the galaxy when every battle they get into cripples them?

What the hell is with their computer security? How many times has someone transported off the ship, stolen a shuttlecraft or sent a secret message through subspace by simply bypassing the security codes? If they're that easy to bypass then they aren't very secure codes are they?

Why is it that in every episode involving the holodeck it screws up in one way or another, putting the ship and crew in peril? Why the hell do they put these malfunctioning deathtraps on starships?

How is it they can communicate millions of light-years across space but they can't contact an away team when they're in a cave?

How come when there's a medical emergency on board they transport the person directly to sickbay, yet when there's a security breach they travel half way across the ship on foot?

Why does every major system on the ship break down so damn easily? They take one little phaser blast and even though the shields are still up something will break down. Not only that but it's almost always the system they need the most at that moment. Isn't the point of shields to absorb the damage so the ship doesn't?

Why does everything have to be done manually? Shouldn't emergency procedures come automatically? If the hull of the ship is blasted away shouldn't the ship automatically put up a temporary force field in its place? If the shields go down in battle shouldn't emergency power automatically be rerouted to them?

Ok I'm done for now.

And why do they put explosives inside every console?


Incentive. At some part of Star Trek's history, North Korea became the primary world power and to prevent people from farking up at their jobs, they loaded the consoles with explosives.
 
2013-04-02 11:10:43 PM

Mentat: I liked the theme song damnit.


Me too.
 
2013-04-02 11:14:21 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Journeyman > Quantum Leap


Hahahahahahahahaa...

No.
 
2013-04-02 11:16:29 PM
I'd much rather hear about Jolene Blalocks ass.
 
2013-04-02 11:24:56 PM
I find the lack of T'Pol pics disturbing.

www.allmystery.de

www.treksinscifi.com

ent.trekcore.com
 
2013-04-02 11:25:49 PM

bluorangefyre: I liked the Rod Stewart version of the theme song.


Yeah... didn't make that clear: First season version I liked

/when they made the change, even the theme blew
 
2013-04-02 11:28:22 PM

Mugato: They even did a mirror universe version.


The perfunctory mirror universe version was only 100x better then the one they picked for the series.
 
2013-04-02 11:31:08 PM
Never watched this series.  Worth checking out these days, or was it just something to keep sci fi fans going during dry times?
 
2013-04-02 11:33:29 PM
Theme song was okay. Show was better than Voyager; as good as the median TNG stuff. It seems everytime I start getting hooked on a series--it dies. I watched Firefly from the start and saw how awesome it was and saw the network set it up to fail by putting it on Friday night. Then I started watching Stargate Universe and just as it was beginning to pick up speed--axed.
 
2013-04-02 11:38:36 PM

Phil Moskowitz: Mugato: They even did a mirror universe version.

The perfunctory mirror universe version was only 100x better then the one they picked for the series.


After finally seeing the Mirror Universe episodes a couple of month ago, I see why people complained that the series actually had turned a corner before being cancelled.  That was really, really strong work by everyone involved.
 
2013-04-02 11:43:45 PM
The worst, worst, WORST Star Trek series...I normally like ST and I couldn't stand to watch it when my husband rented the dvds.  Even he couldn't stand the show after the episode where the alien said something to the effect of "We don't have water, but this is the equivalent"...really?  An alien species that can breathe our own air doesn't have water?  Of course, it was just stupid with the guy getting pregnant by the alien.  Can't they just pretend it never existed?  That's what I've been doing for years now.
 
2013-04-02 11:47:20 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Journeyman > Quantum Leap


please save some Quaaludes for the rest of us.
 
2013-04-02 11:47:46 PM
People either loved or hated the theme song and people loved or hated that I had a dog on board.

There were people who hated the dog?
 
2013-04-02 11:48:42 PM
Regarding the theme, I feel the ball was dropped by DS9.  WAIT, HEAR ME OUT, Please!  The theme itself is grand, but  I always thought each series should have had dialog in the opening of each series.
DS9 "space, the final frontier.  A system in contention, our mission.... etc etc"
Voyager "Space, the final frontier.  Lost in the far reaches...etc"
And then Enterprise "Space the final frontier.  Our first steps into a larger world...etc"

Could have been cool.
 
2013-04-02 11:54:16 PM

fusillade762: People either loved or hated the theme song and people loved or hated that I had a dog on board.

There were people who hated the dog?


Given that the presence of the dog enabled the writers to come up with "A Night in Sickbay", the hate may be justifiable.


Does anyone know if "Admiral Archer's prize beagle" which Scotty tried to transport in the JJ Abrams reboot was a deliberate reference to Porthos?  I thought it was, and was the only person in the theatre who laughed at the line during the screening...
 
2013-04-02 11:55:10 PM

ReapTheChaos: If the hull of the ship is blasted away shouldn't the ship automatically put up a temporary force field in its place?


They actually did that in Generations, iirc. Though not before Kirk got sucked out of the ship.

And your rant reminds me of some pretty funny Star Trek warning posters I saw once. Hell if I can find them now, though. During my search I did find this, though:

www.containsmoderateperil.com

Giggity!
 
2013-04-02 11:56:29 PM
In fairness, it lasted one season longer than TOS.
 
2013-04-02 11:58:28 PM

FightDirector: fusillade762: People either loved or hated the theme song and people loved or hated that I had a dog on board.

There were people who hated the dog?

Given that the presence of the dog enabled the writers to come up with "A Night in Sickbay", the hate may be justifiable.

Does anyone know if "Admiral Archer's prize beagle" which Scotty tried to transport in the JJ Abrams reboot was a deliberate reference to Porthos?  I thought it was, and was the only person in the theatre who laughed at the line during the screening...


From Wikipedia:

In the 2009 Star Trek film, it is implied that "Admiral Archer's" prized Beagle was involved in a freak accident when Montgomery Scott used him as a test subject for a transporter experiment. Porthos, however, would have been over 70 years old when Scott was born, therefore it is not at all certain whether or not the beagle in question was Porthos, although it is possible that it has been made possible for dogs to live longer by that time; it's also possible that Archer only kept beagles for pets.
 
2013-04-03 12:00:30 AM

hideous: Regarding the theme, I feel the ball was dropped by DS9.  WAIT


Funny: DS9 and Enterprise are the two Trek shows where they actually changed the theme songs slightly during the show's run. They both got a tad faster and DS9 added some percussion, iirc.
 
2013-04-03 12:08:58 AM
When I watch the Star Treks on Netflix, I skip the theme song, save for Enterprise, I watch the opening theme. It pisses off my wife who hates that theme.  Theme song aside, I liked the overall look of the intro and it's spirit of flight and exploration.  It was also awesome that in 'In a Mirror Darkly...' 1 and 2 the theme became an ode to war.

As far as Enterprise goes, it really had great potential in the getting back to Star Trek basics that TOS and TNG were.  The failings is that it took until season 4 to actually figure out how to really get the show to work.  I liked season 3 and it's Xindi arc, but I'm actually in the minority on that.  Most felt that the arc was too friggin' long and 26 episodes may have been too ambitious.  There were a couple of fillers that season that I would have liked to have done without (Carpenter Street, E2, and North Star come to mind, though only North Star wasn't referenced at some other point in the series).  Reading about what was planned for Season 5 really makes me sad that it never came to be.  Jeffery Combs really did deserve to be a cast member on a Trek series.

The other problem with Enterprise was that when it came into being.  After seven years of TNG, DS9 and VOY, a new century was needed for Trek since that's the only way you can have a truly new setting for a Trek series, however, the powers that be with the series were clearly exhausted as was the franchise.  The biggest sign of that was 10 years ago when Star Trek: Nemesis was beaten opening weekend by a Jennifer Lopez chick flick.  Nemesis being a bad movie should not have been a factor as other Trek movies, good or bad, always had rather strong opening weekend (save for Star Trek 5: Last time we'll ever see the words 'Trek' and 'Directed by William Shatner' in the same movie). From what I recently read, Nemesis wasn't supposed to be the TNG crew's final voyage, but the lead up to their finally, but the movie bombing and the later cancellation of Enterprise made it the final TNG movie, which is a shame really, the TNG crew really do deserve a final movie. Not helping Enterprise also was that before season 3 the torpedoes were upgraded to photon and the primitive new transporter device had no obvious limitations that the newer,more advanced TNG transporters.  A limitation that only one person at a time would have been fine.  The ship's look being that of the Akira class from the late 24th century really wasn't excusable.  Laughable things like in the episode 'Minefield' when Enterprise hits that cloaked mine, the ship takes major damage (good), no one dies (wtf???  That big of a chunk of the ship is gone, and no one died???), and in the next episode they find a near by automated repair station that repairs the ship.  And the Borg episode, creatively it does fit in the timeline (24th century dones send a message to Borg space in the 22nd century warning them of Earth and the Federation, they send a ship out, Enterprise D finds that ship, said Borg ship pursues the Enterprise and the Enterprise suddenly vanishes.  Not knowing it was Q's help, the Borg continue on to Federation space curious about the Federation threat...), the episode was a bit clumsy in it's attempt to never mention the name 'Borg'.

However, bad series or not, that is no excuse for the messed up final episode that was 'These are the Voyages...'.  I give them credit for the attempt at trying to link Enterprise up with TNG, however, it was awful, Trip's death seemed pointless and if I were a cast member of Enterprise I'd be a bit ticked that my final episode was over shadowed by two TNG cast members.

In many ways, the best thing for Star Trek was taking a break of a few years and letting a new person come in and take over rebooting the series.  I do hope that this new movie is a big enough of a hit that a tv show can be done.  I know that if so, there would be the issue of what to do with these characters who are all played by movie stars.  I personally think the two best options are 25th century prime universe or 24th century Abrams universe.
 
2013-04-03 12:09:35 AM
fusillade762:
From Wikipedia:

In the 2009 Star Trek film, it is implied that "Admiral Archer's" prized Beagle was involved in a freak accident when Montgomery Scott used him as a test subject for a transporter experiment. Porthos, however, would have been over 70 years old when Scott was born, therefore it is not at all certain whether or not the beagle in question was Porthos, although it is possible that it has been made possible for dogs to live longer by that time; it's also possible that Archer only kept beagles for pets.


Well, crap.  Never occurred to me that the wiki might have had that on there.
 
2013-04-03 12:12:20 AM

ReapTheChaos: Star Trek rant on.

After watching nothing but Star Trek episodes on Hulu all of last month I have come to the conclusion that Starfleet and the Federation are a bunch of idiots. A few random things I've never understood:

How come every time they do battle they get their asses handed to them? Sure they eventually get out alive, but only by the skin of their teeth. How the hell did they get to be the superpower of the galaxy when every battle they get into cripples them?

What the hell is with their computer security? How many times has someone transported off the ship, stolen a shuttlecraft or sent a secret message through subspace by simply bypassing the security codes? If they're that easy to bypass then they aren't very secure codes are they?

Why is it that in every episode involving the holodeck it screws up in one way or another, putting the ship and crew in peril? Why the hell do they put these malfunctioning deathtraps on starships?

How is it they can communicate millions of light-years across space but they can't contact an away team when they're in a cave?

How come when there's a medical emergency on board they transport the person directly to sickbay, yet when there's a security breach they travel half way across the ship on foot?

Why does every major system on the ship break down so damn easily? They take one little phaser blast and even though the shields are still up something will break down. Not only that but it's almost always the system they need the most at that moment. Isn't the point of shields to absorb the damage so the ship doesn't?

Why does everything have to be done manually? Shouldn't emergency procedures come automatically? If the hull of the ship is blasted away shouldn't the ship automatically put up a temporary force field in its place? If the shields go down in battle shouldn't emergency power automatically be rerouted to them?

Ok I'm done for now.


You forgot on how there is no body armor. You think they had some sort of armor to protect people from phaser fire when needed.

/There needs to be another Star Trek tv show, but I don't think that will happen thanks to the new Star Trek movies.
 
2013-04-03 12:12:56 AM

Great Janitor: The ship's look being that of the Akira class from the late 24th century really wasn't excusable.


What might have been:

i581.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-03 12:16:57 AM
I have to admit I had my reservations about Enterprise.
I agree that the first two seasons were lacking, the whole Xindi arc was a nice change. And season 4 really started to pull things together. However I blame Braga for most of the dysfunction in Enterprise. He thinks anything with time travel is epically awesome and it's just not.

//Regeneration was pretty cool too, where they battled Borg thy crashed on Earth after First Contact.
 
2013-04-03 12:22:23 AM

fusillade762: Giggity!


That picture is some pretty clever trolling by the marketing department.  They knew every Trek geek would freeze that scene, so they stuck a url on the wall above and to the right of her.
 
2013-04-03 12:31:08 AM

FightDirector: Well, crap.  Never occurred to me that the wiki might have had that on there.


Pop culture is the only thing wikipedia is good for.
 
2013-04-03 12:38:11 AM

Mentat: fusillade762: Giggity!

That picture is some pretty clever trolling by the marketing department.  They knew every Trek geek would freeze that scene, so they stuck a url on the wall above and to the right of her.


I tried going to www.lowclearance.com but there's nothing there :(
 
2013-04-03 12:52:42 AM
Anyone thinking season 4 was the producers getting their shiat together, take note that TPTB told Berman and Braga to shut up and sit down and got Manny Coto to run the show. Coto got people like Judith & Garfield Reeves Stevens in as writers. Season 4 was made by more or less new people in charge, instead of the old people pulling their old socks up... until the finale. The finale was 100% Berman and Braga's last hurrah for the fans. If you know what I mean. And I think you do.
 
2013-04-03 12:53:20 AM

fusillade762: Mentat: fusillade762: Giggity!

That picture is some pretty clever trolling by the marketing department.  They knew every Trek geek would freeze that scene, so they stuck a url on the wall above and to the right of her.

I tried going to www.lowclearance.com but there's nothing there :(


It's underneath Low Clearance.

Link
 
2013-04-03 12:53:37 AM

fusillade762: People either loved or hated the theme song and people loved or hated that I had a dog on board.

There were people who hated the dog?


There were people who loved the theme song?


Anyone see the opening set to "archers theme"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8vslSWlsEg
Damn near perfect.
 
2013-04-03 12:57:17 AM

GBmanNC: Anyone see the opening set to "archers theme"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8vslSWlsEg
Damn near perfect.


Holy crap! That was perfect. Gave me goosebumps.
 
2013-04-03 01:06:32 AM

fusillade762: People either loved or hated the theme song and people loved or hated that I had a dog on board.

There were people who hated the dog?

The series should have killed off that mutt in the pilot.  Archer might have toughened up and developed into a real captain.  Who brings pets along in these situations, anyway?  Ripley was smart enough to leave her cat behind in Aliens.

 
2013-04-03 01:07:52 AM

ReapTheChaos: Star Trek rant on.

After watching nothing but Star Trek episodes on Hulu all of last month I have come to the conclusion that Starfleet and the Federation are a bunch of idiots. A few random things I've never understood:

How come every time they do battle they get their asses handed to them? Sure they eventually get out alive, but only by the skin of their teeth. How the hell did they get to be the superpower of the galaxy when every battle they get into cripples them?

What the hell is with their computer security? How many times has someone transported off the ship, stolen a shuttlecraft or sent a secret message through subspace by simply bypassing the security codes? If they're that easy to bypass then they aren't very secure codes are they?

Why is it that in every episode involving the holodeck it screws up in one way or another, putting the ship and crew in peril? Why the hell do they put these malfunctioning deathtraps on starships?

How is it they can communicate millions of light-years across space but they can't contact an away team when they're in a cave?

How come when there's a medical emergency on board they transport the person directly to sickbay, yet when there's a security breach they travel half way across the ship on foot?

Why does every major system on the ship break down so damn easily? They take one little phaser blast and even though the shields are still up something will break down. Not only that but it's almost always the system they need the most at that moment. Isn't the point of shields to absorb the damage so the ship doesn't?

Why does everything have to be done manually? Shouldn't emergency procedures come automatically? If the hull of the ship is blasted away shouldn't the ship automatically put up a temporary force field in its place? If the shields go down in battle shouldn't emergency power automatically be rerouted to them?

Ok I'm done for now.



Things are different in the future.

/and what's the deal with Ovaltine? The mug is round; the jar is round.. They should call it Roundtine.
 
2013-04-03 01:14:04 AM

ReapTheChaos: Star Trek rant on.

After watching nothing but Star Trek episodes on Hulu all of last month I have come to the conclusion that Starfleet and the Federation are a bunch of idiots. A few random things I've never understood:

How come every time they do battle they get their asses handed to them? Sure they eventually get out alive, but only by the skin of their teeth. How the hell did they get to be the superpower of the galaxy when every battle they get into cripples them?

What the hell is with their computer security? How many times has someone transported off the ship, stolen a shuttlecraft or sent a secret message through subspace by simply bypassing the security codes? If they're that easy to bypass then they aren't very secure codes are they?

Why is it that in every episode involving the holodeck it screws up in one way or another, putting the ship and crew in peril? Why the hell do they put these malfunctioning deathtraps on starships?

How is it they can communicate millions of light-years across space but they can't contact an away team when they're in a cave?

How come when there's a medical emergency on board they transport the person directly to sickbay, yet when there's a security breach they travel half way across the ship on foot?

Why does every major system on the ship break down so damn easily? They take one little phaser blast and even though the shields are still up something will break down. Not only that but it's almost always the system they need the most at that moment. Isn't the point of shields to absorb the damage so the ship doesn't?

Why does everything have to be done manually? Shouldn't emergency procedures come automatically? If the hull of the ship is blasted away shouldn't the ship automatically put up a temporary force field in its place? If the shields go down in battle shouldn't emergency power automatically be rerouted to them?

Ok I'm done for now.


First, the Federation Fleet is pretty much entirely science vessels.  Their firepower lack is made up for by adaptibility.  Once they got into making warships, like the Defiant, it took their opponents by surprise, and then the other fleets changed to account for the new style of Federation warfare.

The security and/or holodeck fails when needed by the writers.  That's pretty much it.

The shields are interesting.  In Star Fleet Battles, iirc you can play it straight that the shields are functioning until their power is at 0, before you take structural damage.  There is a variant rule, due to the show, called 'leaky shields'.  It's exactly what it says on the tin.  A % of the damage done to a shield will proceed to be counted as structural damage instead.  There is a race in the game called the Hydrans, who used a fusion weapon called the Hellbore cannon, that would hit an enemy's shields, wrap around the ship and find the weakest shield, and hit that one proportionately hardest.
 
2013-04-03 01:15:44 AM
I really liked Enterprise, honestly.  For the most part.  I wanted to know more about the suliban and that time-traveller dude who somehow makes me think of agent Coulson.  But holy hell did that Xindi shiat try my patience.  Worst season EVER.  Maybe because I'm not an american and was sick of hearing them go on about terrorists and why are you putting them in my Star Trek.

What always confused me about the universal translator is that it can can clearly translate just about any language for anyone, anywhere.  So, how come Chekov, who is clearly Russian with an accent so heavy that not even the computer can understand him, doesn't simply speak russian and let the universal translator do it's thing?
 
2013-04-03 01:22:16 AM

Aboleth: GBmanNC: Anyone see the opening set to "archers theme"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8vslSWlsEg
Damn near perfect.

Holy crap! That was perfect. Gave me goosebumps.


Whoa. Seriously. I'm right there with you.

Theory on why it matches up so well: It was written as the opening credits music, and while they liked it enough to keep it, they decided to do something dumb to distinguish the show as "different" from the rest of "Star Trek" (since they were so bad at  actually making it different).

In short, the same clown who decided it should be called just "Enterprise," as if that would somehow give it wider appeal, also decided the opening credits should "rock, man."
 
2013-04-03 01:29:31 AM

fusillade762: And your rant reminds me of some pretty funny Star Trek warning posters I saw once. Hell if I can find them now, though.


Here ya go:


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2013-04-03 01:37:25 AM
Enterprise was actually pretty good.  Yeah, the first season wasn't so great (a few good episodes, but lots not so good ones), but that's normal for Star Trek.  The first couple of seasons of TNG and DS9 were pretty bad too.  I mean, was the first season of Enterprise really that much worse than the first season of DS9?  I don't think so.

Plus, they actually had a lot of good ideas.  I like the Vulcans as jerks thing.  The Andorians were good too.  I was OK with the long 3rd season arc.  The format of the 4th season was very good.

The main problem was that they really didn't have as many good characters as TOS/TNG/DS9 (I never got into Voy, so no comment there).  Archer was OK.  I actually thought T'Pol was good, especially when they weren't doing stupid contrived scenes just to get her naked.  Trip was OK.  I liked Phlox, but he never really fit in and didn't get much air time.  But the rest of the cast was just boring as hell.

So they had to fall back to the TOS thing where every away party is the same 3 people.  Oh look, another dangerous situation where the away party consists of the captain, the 1st officer, and the 2nd officer/chief engineer.  That makes sense.  Oh look, next week its the captain who goes out and defuses the bomb.
 
2013-04-03 01:39:06 AM

JosephFinn: Phil Moskowitz: Mugato: They even did a mirror universe version.

The perfunctory mirror universe version was only 100x better then the one they picked for the series.

After finally seeing the Mirror Universe episodes a couple of month ago, I see why people complained that the series actually had turned a corner before being cancelled.  That was really, really strong work by everyone involved.


If they had to do a prequel, season 4 was what the show should have been from the beginning. When Berman and Braga had basically washed their hands of the show and let Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevenses take over and run the asylum like the fanboys they all were, that made Enterprise what it should have been.

Season 4 answered questions people had, tied stuff into the rest of the series, and felt like what was happening 100 years before TOS, and were actually building to the birth of the Federation and the Romulan War instead of whatever Berman and Braga were thinking of when they did the whole stupid temporal cold war thing and basically said "fark what happened before and what the people might want to see."

/although, Berman and Braga did "care" enough to come back and take a big dump on everything with The Pegasus part 1.5 as the series finale.
 
2013-04-03 01:44:33 AM

100 Watt Walrus: fusillade762: And your rant reminds me of some pretty funny Star Trek warning posters I saw once. Hell if I can find them now, though.

Here ya go:


Those aren't the ones that I was thinking of, but they're good, too. Thanks.
 
2013-04-03 01:48:13 AM

Mugato: The song was terrible but the montage during it was pretty cool. They even did a mirror universe version.


The Mirror Universe stuff on "Enterprise" was great, IMHO. I'd even watch a series based on those episodes...
 
2013-04-03 01:59:06 AM
Mentat:

And why do they put explosives inside every console?

Clearly, somewhere along the line we lost the concept of the "fuse". So those $2,000,000 consoles are protecting some $2 wiring somewhere it seems.
 
2013-04-03 02:00:40 AM

Krazikarl: Enterprise was actually pretty good.  Yeah, the first season wasn't so great (a few good episodes, but lots not so good ones), but that's normal for Star Trek.  The first couple of seasons of TNG and DS9 were pretty bad too.  I mean, was the first season of Enterprise really that much worse than the first season of DS9?  I don't think so.

Plus, they actually had a lot of good ideas.  I like the Vulcans as jerks thing.  The Andorians were good too.  I was OK with the long 3rd season arc.  The format of the 4th season was very good.

The main problem was that they really didn't have as many good characters as TOS/TNG/DS9 (I never got into Voy, so no comment there).  Archer was OK.  I actually thought T'Pol was good, especially when they weren't doing stupid contrived scenes just to get her naked.  Trip was OK.  I liked Phlox, but he never really fit in and didn't get much air time.  But the rest of the cast was just boring as hell.

So they had to fall back to the TOS thing where every away party is the same 3 people.  Oh look, another dangerous situation where the away party consists of the captain, the 1st officer, and the 2nd officer/chief engineer.  That makes sense.  Oh look, next week its the captain who goes out and defuses the bomb.


Watching Enterprise, I got the feeling that the writers just didn't know what to do with the cast outside of Trip, Archer and T'Pol.  Mayweather was the only member of the crew who spent most of his life in space and after the first few episodes he was nothing but a glorified extra.  At one point I started to figure that he was going to get the Kes treatment and be sent on his way.  Reed had the potential to be an interesting character but he was pretty much reduced to sitting quietly on the bridge unless they needed to build up the Trip/Reed bromance or blow something up.  Hoshi was another let down.  Not as much as Mayweather, mind you.  At the start she was interesting because she had to sit there and figure out the alien of the week's language and I liked her early characterization as someone who was having a hard time adjusting to life on the starship (requesting a change of quarters because the stars were moving the wrong way, or the way she got visibly nervous when the ship moved past warp 4), but sadly those traits weren't there long and she became just an interstellar receptionist.  Worst yet, in the episode 'Twilight', while Reed and Trip are captains, Hoshi I believe is still an ensign, and in 'These Are the Voyages...' Hoshi, after more than seven years in space, is still an ensign.  Look, it didn't make a lick of sense when Harry Kim was an ensign for the entire run of Voyager (before you say that there was no room on that ship for him to be promoted, Voyager had a pretty impressive death count, there was an opening or two), and it doesn't make any sense for Hoshi to serve in starfleet for seven years or more on the first warp five ship, invent a universal translator that pins to your shirt and NEVER get a single promotion.

/maybe Starfleet hates asians.
//At least Hoshi did some awesome stuff in 'In a Mirror Darkly...'
 
2013-04-03 02:04:08 AM
I think if you want to know what the show could have been, watch episodes 407-409. A great trilogy about the development of Vulcan. That had the meat and potatoes of a good Star Trek series.
 
2013-04-03 02:09:15 AM

Choestoe: Mentat:

And why do they put explosives inside every console?

Clearly, somewhere along the line we lost the concept of the "fuse". So those $2,000,000 consoles are protecting some $2 wiring somewhere it seems.


I actually had a conversation like that once.  I was in college in my robotics class.  My team and I were building a robotic work cell to do something not as cool as it sounds, and while we were designing a new control board to hook up to the robot and PLC, I said "Shouldn't we add a fuse or two to this board?"  One guy asked "Why?"  and I answered "Because I learned from watching Star Trek that when equipment blows up, the person standing closest to it dies."
 
2013-04-03 02:26:10 AM

FightDirector: Great Janitor: The ship's look being that of the Akira class from the late 24th century really wasn't excusable.

What might have been:

[i581.photobucket.com image 850x539]


I dunno, I always kinda liked the Akira. It was just different enough to be cool, but still retained the Starfleet "feel"

/saving up for the Fleet Akira carrier in STO atm.
 
2013-04-03 02:33:57 AM

Great Janitor: Watching Enterprise, I got the feeling that the writers just didn't know what to do with the cast outside of Trip, Archer and T'Pol.


Yeah.  The problem was that I don't think that those other characters really brought anything to the table.

Star Trek characters, especially Star Fleet officers, have pretty narrow range to work with.  I mean, everybody has to be morally impeccable, completely dedicated to their work, hard working, and very intelligent.  You don't have jackass regular characters, or morons, or anything like that.  You can have a small foundation of a few good old boring humans on the show, but the rest of the characters have to bring some new angle.

I mean, think about TNG.  Most of the characters could allow for different themes.  Data allowed for the "what does it mean to be human" stuff.  Worf allowed for Klingon antics and fish out of water themes.  Troi could do feelings and crap.  Geordi didn't add much, but he wasn't featured in that many episodes.  So you had a foundation of Picard and Riker, and the rest of the crew brought some new angle.

DS9 took this further.  You had a foundation of Sisko.  Kira allowed for situations with questionable ethics and where blindly following the Federation wasn't always the best choice.  Odo could do the "what does it mean to be human" and fish out of water themes.  Quark was actually amoral (a real oddity in Star Trek) and thought about crazy things like money.  Worf brought Klingon antics again.  Dax brought the whole past lives thing.  O'Brien was a blue collar guy surrounded by elitists.  Only Bashir didn't bring much himself, but he was often paired with Garak, so it worked out.

But now think about Enterprise.  What did Reed/Mayweather/Hoshi bring to the table that wasn't already there?  What could Reed give you that Archer/Trip couldn't?  They just didn't really open up new storylines.  You can say that the writers should have done more with those characters (and I agree), but I'm just not sure that there was much to work with from day 1.  Really, they needed to redo those characters from the ground up.
 
2013-04-03 02:54:14 AM
Honestly I was annoyed at T'Pol. She was a weak Vulcan by my standards. Someone who left the Vulcan Science Academy simply because she "felt" it was right, not logically. And then there was the whole "she's addicted to feelings" thing that never really added up, the only time that seemed appropriate was when that asshat on Mars was trying to blow up earth and he killed the spawn of Trip and T'Pol simply to make a point about xenophobes.

I thought Trip's whole "avenge the family" thing was a bit much, but it played well when he started training with T'Pol and especially when he started to recognize his feelings for her. But Jolene Blaylock just bugged me, don't think she was a good Vulcan.
 
2013-04-03 03:08:09 AM

The English Major: The theme song wasn't nearly as embarrassing as all seven seasons of Voyager.

 
2013-04-03 05:06:26 AM

Aboleth: GBmanNC: Anyone see the opening set to "archers theme"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8vslSWlsEg
Damn near perfect.

Holy crap! That was perfect. Gave me goosebumps.


That one would've been so much better than what they ended up using. I try not to judge a book by its cover, or a show by its theme music, but the song just set the wrong tone as an introduction to the show. With sci-fi, it seems to make sense to use the music to evoke a sense of grandeur or mystique, and you can't do that with something you'd hear on a light rock station.
 
2013-04-03 05:08:05 AM

GBmanNC: fusillade762: People either loved or hated the theme song and people loved or hated that I had a dog on board.

There were people who hated the dog?

There were people who loved the theme song?


Anyone see the opening set to "archers theme"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8vslSWlsEg
Damn near perfect.


Nice.  Thanks for posting that
 
2013-04-03 05:23:34 AM
I liked the Enterprise opening title sequence: the whole flight/exploration montage was great. And musically, I didn't hate the song. But the lyrics. The lyrics.

"Faith of the heart"? What the fark does that even mean?
 
2013-04-03 06:37:11 AM
Loved him as MacGyver.
 
2013-04-03 07:00:07 AM
Given it was Earth first foray into deep space . What put me off was the lack of exploration and discovery or even a learning curve that would have been more interesting.

                                                encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-03 07:08:53 AM
Star Trek 9/11 was ham-fistedly obvious in treating the series as a WTC psych session and war apology.
But I understand.
 
2013-04-03 07:44:49 AM
I'll never forget showing up the morning after the pilot premiered [on Sep. 26, 2001] and there was a guy in front of the studio with a sign that said, "Love the show, hate the song." And I pulled into the lot and thought, "Really? Is that what we've become?" We have this horrible thing that's happened on our own planet, in our country and we make a TV show, it's fiction.

To be fair, the theme song was arguably worse than 9/11.
 
2013-04-03 08:33:11 AM

Strongbeerrules: fusillade762: People either loved or hated the theme song and people loved or hated that I had a dog on board.

There were people who hated the dog?

The series should have killed off that mutt in the pilot.  Archer might have toughened up and developed into a real captain.  Who brings pets along in these situations, anyway?  Ripley was smart enough to leave her cat behind in Aliens.


There's a very long tradition of ship's captain's having a pet or a ship's mascot. Having the dog onboard made more sense than the Vulcan.
 
2013-04-03 08:41:04 AM
Ok, so i have been watching every Star Trek series in it's entirety (minus Belana Torres focused episodes)  on Netflix since last summer.

I am now on Season 4 episode 4 of Enterprise, the last of the shows to watch.

The theme is fine...the REAL stupid thing about it is that they pepped it up in season 3, the season where the series takes a decidely darker and more serious tone. Who the hell made THAT call?

Also, how do you end a full season arc and hamfist Nazi's into it? Then episode 3 was the whole Trip/T'Pol thing. Episode 4 has started with a ship full of prisoners taking over their transport vessel. Haven;t seen THAT before in this series... oh wait, we have.

Ya'll better be right about this final season, because so far it sucks nuts.

/the worst seasons of Enterprise are better then the best seasons of Voyager
//Voyager is just frickin DULL
///Except for 7 and Doctor episodes, because they were unique characters
 
2013-04-03 08:45:52 AM

propasaurus: I liked the Enterprise opening title sequence: the whole flight/exploration montage was great. And musically, I didn't hate the song. But the lyrics. The lyrics.

"Faith of the heart"? What the fark does that even mean?


Believeing in one's instincts.
 
2013-04-03 08:47:09 AM
Oh and I am stupid. Dr. Soong as played by Brent Spinner?

This episode 4 might turn out just fine...
 
2013-04-03 08:49:52 AM
While I liked watching TNG when that was first out, I can't stand to watch it now in reruns. It strange, it just feels dated in a bad way.

However, I've been watching DS9 via netflix lately, and that doesn't have any of the those issues. In fact, there are a lot of things about that show that I thought were corny at the time, but feels better now. For example, I remember Quark being this stupid caricature of an "anything for profit" guy who I couldn't see existing in any real world. But damn if Romney hasn't changed my mind on that. I also find the whole aspect of "using religion as political gain" with the stuff that happens on Bajor to be pretty relevant nowadays.

I think it helps that DS9 was set up as a bunch of characters who all have opposing issues and goals, unlike most of the other ST series where everyone is working together, and aside from actor's contracts, it isn't too hard to imagine that if one of the characters gets killed off, another character could easily step right up and replace the corpse.
 
2013-04-03 08:50:56 AM
In the first few episodes of"Enterprise", I held out hope. It was shaky, the characters were flat, but hey, it could get good, right? And I was utterly convinced we were watching the first gay captain. I can't really put my finger on why I thought that, but something about the way Archer operated twigged my gaydar into the red. I wish they had gone that route, personally. It's not often that you get a gay character in a leadership role (unless it's a lesbian, and that's actually more annoying as tropes go- "since she's doing a man's job, she has to share a man's tastes").
 
2013-04-03 08:59:28 AM

tzzhc4: I find the lack of T'Pol pics disturbing.


You missed one...

i260.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-03 09:06:31 AM

t3knomanser: In the first few episodes of"Enterprise", I held out hope. It was shaky, the characters were flat, but hey, it could get good, right? And I was utterly convinced we were watching the first gay captain. I can't really put my finger on why I thought that, but something about the way Archer operated twigged my gaydar into the red. I wish they had gone that route, personally. It's not often that you get a gay character in a leadership role (unless it's a lesbian, and that's actually more annoying as tropes go- "since she's doing a man's job, she has to share a man's tastes").


Actually, Reed was intended to be the gay one.
 
2013-04-03 09:12:32 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Actually, Reed was intended to be the gay one.


Which is so trite and cliche that I'm going to ignore it. Oh, the effete British guy is gay? Way to push boundaries. Were I in charge, Reed would have had a Riker-esque lust for the ladies, though never in his own crew. He's fastidious and wouldn't shiat where he eats. I'd give Archer a Yeoman Rand-esque love interest aide, but- and here's the real trick-  I'd never make it explicit. Let the fans fill in the blanks. At some point, it'd become clear that Archer was definitely gay, and anyone with two braincells to rub together would figure it out. It's like Kirk pulling on his boots.
 
2013-04-03 09:20:09 AM

ObeliskToucher: tzzhc4: I find the lack of T'Pol pics disturbing.

You missed one...

[i260.photobucket.com image 570x300]


what about the premiere episode with tripp and t'pol in there and tripp having an erection..I was surprised they showed that on TV.
 
2013-04-03 09:33:59 AM
i just worked with scott bakula a couple of weeks ago. he's a very genuine, down-to-earth guy.

/csb
//no, mr. bakula didn't pay me to say this
/// no, i didn't call him "count bakula," though i wanted to
 
2013-04-03 09:37:11 AM

The English Major: The theme song wasn't nearly as embarrassing as all seven seasons of Voyager.


And were done here...computer, end program.
 
2013-04-03 09:41:38 AM

You Are All Sheep: ObeliskToucher: tzzhc4: I find the lack of T'Pol pics disturbing.

You missed one...

[i260.photobucket.com image 570x300]

what about the premiere episode with tripp and t'pol in there and tripp having an erection..I was surprised they showed that on TV.


I'm not sure they could even find a shot where he didn't have an erection
 
2013-04-03 09:47:55 AM

You Are All Sheep: ObeliskToucher: tzzhc4: I find the lack of T'Pol pics disturbing.

You missed one...

[i260.photobucket.com image 570x300]

what about the premiere episode with tripp and t'pol in there and tripp having an erection..I was surprised they showed that on TV.


It was a toss-up, but the characters' thoughts are most obvious in this one:

T'Pol:   "She's checking out my boobs again"
Hoshi:  "God, they look like they're going to to pop out, alien-style"
Tripp:   "Maybe nobody will notice... oh, yeah..."
 
2013-04-03 09:58:43 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: Mugato: The song was terrible but the montage during it was pretty cool. They even did a mirror universe version.

The Mirror Universe stuff on "Enterprise" was great, IMHO. I'd even watch a series based on those episodes...


Yeah but you have to have characters the audience likes or can relate to. Maybe the protagonists could have been rebels fighting against the evil Federation. Wait, that sounds vaguely familiar.
 
2013-04-03 10:03:03 AM

ReapTheChaos: Star Trek rant on.

After watching nothing but Star Trek episodes on Hulu all of last month I have come to the conclusion that Starfleet and the Federation are a bunch of idiots. A few random things I've never understood:

How come every time they do battle they get their asses handed to them? Sure they eventually get out alive, but only by the skin of their teeth. How the hell did they get to be the superpower of the galaxy when every battle they get into cripples them?

What the hell is with their computer security? How many times has someone transported off the ship, stolen a shuttlecraft or sent a secret message through subspace by simply bypassing the security codes? If they're that easy to bypass then they aren't very secure codes are they?

Why is it that in every episode involving the holodeck it screws up in one way or another, putting the ship and crew in peril? Why the hell do they put these malfunctioning deathtraps on starships?

How is it they can communicate millions of light-years across space but they can't contact an away team when they're in a cave?

How come when there's a medical emergency on board they transport the person directly to sickbay, yet when there's a security breach they travel half way across the ship on foot?

Why does every major system on the ship break down so damn easily? They take one little phaser blast and even though the shields are still up something will break down. Not only that but it's almost always the system they need the most at that moment. Isn't the point of shields to absorb the damage so the ship doesn't?

Why does everything have to be done manually? Shouldn't emergency procedures come automatically? If the hull of the ship is blasted away shouldn't the ship automatically put up a temporary force field in its place? If the shields go down in battle shouldn't emergency power automatically be rerouted to them?

Ok I'm done for now.


I got one more that always pissed me off.  Whenever the ship is in grave danger, like its about ready to explode with a warp core breach THE GODDAMN EJECTION SYSTEM IS ALWAYS OFFLINE
 
2013-04-03 10:03:52 AM

The English Major: The theme song wasn't nearly as embarrassing as all seven seasons of Voyager.


Voyager was so bad it only ran for seven seasons?! How embarrassing!
 
2013-04-03 10:05:22 AM

Rocket To Russia: Voyager was so bad it only ran for seven seasons?! How embarrassing!


What else was UPN going to put in that timeslot?
 
2013-04-03 10:10:42 AM

t3knomanser: Rocket To Russia: Voyager was so bad it only ran for seven seasons?! How embarrassing!

What else was UPN going to put in that timeslot?


Desmond Pfeiffer meets Homeboys in Space?
 
2013-04-03 10:23:28 AM

t3knomanser: Rocket To Russia: Voyager was so bad it only ran for seven seasons?! How embarrassing!

What else was UPN going to put in that timeslot?


Well...

Basically Voyager was the shiniest turd in the bowl.
 
2013-04-03 10:31:46 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: t3knomanser: Rocket To Russia: Voyager was so bad it only ran for seven seasons?! How embarrassing!

What else was UPN going to put in that timeslot?

Well...

Basically Voyager was the shiniest turd in the bowl.



But if it didn't get decent ratings they would have replaced it with something cheaper.
 
2013-04-03 10:44:23 AM
fashionablygeek.com
 
2013-04-03 10:47:01 AM

Mugato: But if it didn't get decent ratings they would have replaced it with something cheaper.


It wasn't expensive to UPN. UPN wasn't paying to make it. UPN just aired it- Paramount Television actually produced it. The network launched with a Star Trek series as an anchor, because Star Trek is one of Paramount's largest properties. While Voyager wasn't sold through syndication, they still followed something very similar to the syndication model.

PT didn't care how much it cost to produce an episode of Voyager, because the actual value of the series was keeping the Star Trek brand alive and in the public awareness. UPN didn't care how much it cost to produce, since they weren't paying to produce it. And the overarching Paramount brass wanted to make sure the show was always cheap for UPN, since it was viewed as one of their flagship programs (despite not fitting in with anything else aired on the network).

Long story short: Voyager was going to stay on the air with even the crappiest ratings.
 
2013-04-03 11:20:04 AM
I liked Voyager :(
 
2013-04-03 11:23:58 AM

You Are All Sheep: I liked Voyager :(


Voyager was good, as long as it was a Doctor episode, or maybe a 36D of Nine episode.

Otherwise... no. Just no.
 
2013-04-03 11:42:07 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: t3knomanser: Rocket To Russia: Voyager was so bad it only ran for seven seasons?! How embarrassing!

What else was UPN going to put in that timeslot?

Well...

Basically Voyager was the shiniest turd in the bowl.


Hey, I liked Seven Days.
 
2013-04-03 12:02:52 PM

FirstNationalBastard: You Are All Sheep: I liked Voyager :(

Voyager was good, as long as it was a Doctor episode, or maybe a 36D of Nine episode.

Otherwise... no. Just no.


Yes, she was eye candy.

Don't let that distract you from the idea that she was a very unique character who got to experience things that no other ST character had. 7 of 9 was a great character.
 
2013-04-03 12:07:50 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: FirstNationalBastard: You Are All Sheep: I liked Voyager :(

Voyager was good, as long as it was a Doctor episode, or maybe a 36D of Nine episode.

Otherwise... no. Just no.

Yes, she was eye candy.

Don't let that distract you from the idea that she was a very unique character who got to experience things that no other ST character had. 7 of 9 was a great character.


The Voyager episodes I always end up re-watching always involve either The Doctor or Seven. Or, the occasional episode where it's about both of them.

/Chakotay gets Seven? fark you, producers. It should have been The Doctor and Seven hooking up at the end of the show, perhaps while the Doctor beats Andy Dick EMH Mark 2 to death with a crowbar.
 
2013-04-03 12:20:38 PM

NeoCortex42: Hey, I liked Seven Days.


It's a good thing that got canceled before 9/11. That would have been awwwwwkward.
 
2013-04-03 12:34:45 PM

NeoCortex42: Jim from Saint Paul: t3knomanser: Rocket To Russia: Voyager was so bad it only ran for seven seasons?! How embarrassing!

What else was UPN going to put in that timeslot?

Well...

Basically Voyager was the shiniest turd in the bowl.

Hey, I liked Seven Days.


And we forgive you for it.
 
2013-04-03 12:35:14 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Actually, Reed was intended to be the gay one.


No. He. Wasn't.
 
2013-04-03 12:35:41 PM

You Are All Sheep: I liked Voyager :(


Me too.
 
2013-04-03 12:36:42 PM

You Are All Sheep: ObeliskToucher: tzzhc4: I find the lack of T'Pol pics disturbing.

You missed one...

[i260.photobucket.com image 570x300]

what about the premiere episode with tripp and t'pol in there and tripp having an erection..I was surprised they showed that on TV.


Sorry, too lazy to link properly.
http://fic_ship.tripod.com/boner.jpg
 
2013-04-03 12:40:18 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If they had to do a prequel, season 4 was what the show should have been from the beginning. When Berman and Braga had basically washed their hands of the show and let Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevenses take over and run the asylum like the fanboys they all were, that made Enterprise what it should have been.

Season 4 answered questions people had, tied stuff into the rest of the series, and felt like what was happening 100 years before TOS, and were actually building to the birth of the Federation and the Romulan War instead of whatever Berman and Braga were thinking of when they did the whole stupid temporal cold war thing and basically said "fark what happened before and what the people might want to see."

/although, Berman and Braga did "care" enough to come back and take a big dump on everything with The Pegasus part 1.5 as the series finale.


Stop with the stupid B&B-hating fanboy re-writing of history. It was Berman and Braga who brought Coto on board and they were still active with the story-breaking and script development of the 4th season.

And at least the temporal cold war was somewhat original for TREK and therefore interesting.
 
2013-04-03 12:42:03 PM

ObeliskToucher: tzzhc4: I find the lack of T'Pol pics disturbing.

You missed one...

[i260.photobucket.com image 570x300]


Hoshi > T'Pol's implants
 
2013-04-03 12:47:55 PM

peterthx: FirstNationalBastard: If they had to do a prequel, season 4 was what the show should have been from the beginning. When Berman and Braga had basically washed their hands of the show and let Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevenses take over and run the asylum like the fanboys they all were, that made Enterprise what it should have been.

Season 4 answered questions people had, tied stuff into the rest of the series, and felt like what was happening 100 years before TOS, and were actually building to the birth of the Federation and the Romulan War instead of whatever Berman and Braga were thinking of when they did the whole stupid temporal cold war thing and basically said "fark what happened before and what the people might want to see."

/although, Berman and Braga did "care" enough to come back and take a big dump on everything with The Pegasus part 1.5 as the series finale.

Stop with the stupid B&B-hating fanboy re-writing of history. It was Berman and Braga who brought Coto on board and they were still active with the story-breaking and script development of the 4th season.

And at least the temporal cold war was somewhat original for TREK and therefore interesting.


No, fanboy rewriting of history would be the quite popular "Berman was the worst thing to ever happen to Star Trek!!!11" line of thinking many have fallen for, even though Berman was part of the reason TNG morphed from Roddenberry's crappy new show to Best of Both Worlds in a little over a season.

But Berman and Braga were out of steam by the time Enterprise came about, and the show suffered because of them.
 
2013-04-03 12:49:56 PM

peterthx: ObeliskToucher: tzzhc4: I find the lack of T'Pol pics disturbing.

You missed one...

[i260.photobucket.com image 570x300]

Hoshi > T'Pol's implants


www.geekinheels.com
 
2013-04-03 12:50:01 PM

Rocket To Russia: You Are All Sheep: I liked Voyager :(

Me too.


you like bad things and you should feel bad.
 
2013-04-03 01:14:04 PM
There's a REASON this is my favorite "Lorne" quote from Angel:

[Angel, Spike, and Lorne think Eve had something to do with what's infecting Fred]
Lorne:  If I hear one note, one quarter note, that tells me you had any involvement, these two won't even have *time* to kill you.
[Lorne backs away]
Lorne:  Oh, and anything by Dianne Warren will also result in your death. Well, except "Rhythm of the Night".
 
2013-04-03 02:48:07 PM
When did the Average Asian Aging Process strip get cut in half? I've not seen the original on Fark for a while.


I hated Enterprise when it was on TV, and then I went back and watched it on Netflix and actually got through the first season... And it got good. REALLY good. By the end of it, I was mad that they'd canceled it.

So I'd be up for an Enterprise series that takes place a few years later, but I doubt Paramount would do that and risk screwing up the Abrams series.
 
2013-04-03 04:36:30 PM

tom baker's scarf: Rocket To Russia: You Are All Sheep: I liked Voyager :(

Me too.

you like bad things and you should feel bad.


Nope, the correct response is, "Me three".
 
2013-04-03 05:33:15 PM
I just wanted to note that Bakula is an old school Trekkie and was basically contracted to act whatever they wrote for him (though I'm sure some of the better writers were open to feedback from both Scott and the rest of the cast). Tell me you wouldn't put out the occasional shiat ep for a chance to skipper an on-screen  Enterprise yourself.

And don't BS, when they gave Bakula decent material to work with he produced gold.
 
2013-04-03 05:57:21 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Mentat: I liked the theme song damnit.

Me too.


You know, I've been coming around to your chaotic approach to Fark, but this is unconscionable.  You are DEAD TO ME.

/I periodically text my sister "It's been a long road..." and get back nothing but profanity for reminding her it exists.
 
2013-04-03 06:27:54 PM
I agree that Enterprise started to get better before they canned it, but I still have to say DS9 is the best Star Trek series for one reason. Garak. That is all.
 
2013-04-03 09:10:03 PM

peterthx: ObeliskToucher: tzzhc4: I find the lack of T'Pol pics disturbing.

You missed one...

[i260.photobucket.com image 570x300]

Hoshi > T'Pol's implants


Hoshi seemed to get hotter as the show progressed. I would not have complained if, by some miracle, either Hoshi or T'Pol appeared in my bedchamber freshly bathed.

I laughed when Reed was drunk and yammering about T'Pol's rear end. "She's got a nice bum!"
 
2013-04-03 09:24:02 PM

NeoCortex42: Jim from Saint Paul: t3knomanser: Rocket To Russia: Voyager was so bad it only ran for seven seasons?! How embarrassing!

What else was UPN going to put in that timeslot?

Well...

Basically Voyager was the shiniest turd in the bowl.

Hey, I liked Seven Days.


That was just about the ONLY TV or film depiction of time travel that took into account planetary movement. So it had that going for it.
 
2013-04-03 09:39:19 PM
The theme song sucked ass. It was a deal breaker.
 
2013-04-03 10:30:06 PM

Rocket To Russia: tom baker's scarf: Rocket To Russia: You Are All Sheep: I liked Voyager :(

Me too.

you like bad things and you should feel bad.

Nope, the correct response is, "Me three".


It just got monotonous. Something happens then janeway, belana and/or 7 fix the problem. Various other cast members wander around and say things. Repeat.

Honestly it would have been easier for them to just find a child prodigy to solve all their problems.
 
2013-04-03 11:22:10 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Jim from Saint Paul: FirstNationalBastard: You Are All Sheep: I liked Voyager :(

Voyager was good, as long as it was a Doctor episode, or maybe a 36D of Nine episode.

Otherwise... no. Just no.

Yes, she was eye candy.

Don't let that distract you from the idea that she was a very unique character who got to experience things that no other ST character had. 7 of 9 was a great character.

The Voyager episodes I always end up re-watching always involve either The Doctor or Seven. Or, the occasional episode where it's about both of them.

/Chakotay gets Seven? fark you, producers. It should have been The Doctor and Seven hooking up at the end of the show, perhaps while the Doctor beats Andy Dick EMH Mark 2 to death with a crowbar.


According to the books that come after the series Seven decides to not peruse her relationship with Chakotay, leaving him to chase after......wait for it......Admiral Janeway?????? WTF?
 
2013-04-04 12:26:46 AM

tom baker's scarf: Rocket To Russia: tom baker's scarf: Rocket To Russia: You Are All Sheep: I liked Voyager :(

Me too.

you like bad things and you should feel bad.

Nope, the correct response is, "Me three".

It just got monotonous. Something happens then janeway, belana and/or 7 fix the problem. Various other cast members wander around and say things. Repeat.

Honestly it would have been easier for them to just find a child prodigy to solve all their problems.


Come on, like Seven wasn't essentially the Wes of Voyager
/all due respect to  Wil
//all due respect to Jeri Ryan, being a trooper for dealing with those costumes and nailing stellar performances with occasionally suborbital material
/yeah Wil dealt with that too (as does anyone involve with Trek) and seriously nerds we need to get over ourselves
 
2013-04-04 12:47:35 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: tom baker's scarf: Rocket To Russia: tom baker's scarf: Rocket To Russia: You Are All Sheep: I liked Voyager :(

Me too.

you like bad things and you should feel bad.

Nope, the correct response is, "Me three".

It just got monotonous. Something happens then janeway, belana and/or 7 fix the problem. Various other cast members wander around and say things. Repeat.

Honestly it would have been easier for them to just find a child prodigy to solve all their problems.

Come on, like Seven wasn't essentially the Wes of Voyager
/all due respect to  Wil
//all due respect to Jeri Ryan, being a trooper for dealing with those costumes and nailing stellar performances with occasionally suborbital material
/yeah Wil dealt with that too (as does anyone involve with Trek) and seriously nerds we need to get over ourselves


That's the point. all three of them were the Wesley of STV. It was Nancy Drew and the Bopsey Twins got to play space explorers. None of the other characters mattered. I kept expecting the episode where all three of them synced up there cycles. It probably would have happened but Belana got pregnant and Janeway must have hit menopause by season three.

I kid. Though not entirely.

Jerry Ryan was a trooper though.

I never did understand why people transferred their Wesley hate onto WW. He wasn't the writer or director. He was just a kid doing the best he could with the drek they hefted on him. Blame DC Fontana or Gene. Yeah I said it. Wesley Crusher was GR's fault.
 
2013-04-04 03:22:53 AM
Say what you will about Voyager, it beat Dumb Space Nine.

Actual outtake from every Deep Space Nine writers meeting ever:

What should we do for a subplot this week.
Writer 1) I know, Lets have Quark hatch a plan to rip someone off.
Writer 2) and then we'll have Odo catch him.
Writers 1&2) Brilliant!!!
 
2013-04-04 04:51:58 PM

ReapTheChaos: Say what you will about Voyager, it beat Dumb Space Nine.

Actual outtake from every Deep Space Nine writers meeting ever:

What should we do for a subplot this week.
Writer 1) I know, Lets have Quark hatch a plan to rip someone off.
Writer 2) and then we'll have Odo catch him.
Writers 1&2) Brilliant!!!


How do I know you didn't watch Deep Space Nine?

/your post was dumber than a Pakled
 
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