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2013-04-03 09:35:05 AM  

Medic Zero: titwrench: TaterTot_HotDish: ZAZ: I thought paint was too slippery for bicycles. There are plastic coatings, but they are expensive to cover an area as opposed to a line.

I've ridden on this kind of green paint (they're misinformed when they say 'it doesn't exist in any other city' - yes, it does, idiots), and it has sand or something added to it to give it some grit.  But it's still a bit slipperier than asphalt.

Also, this is an excellent example of entitled Hollywood assholes who thinks the world revolves around them and don't mind sacrificing some non-celebrity bicyclists if it keeps their movie budgets lower.

More like the entitled cyclists want the scenery to change to suit them. The Hollywood types want to keep everything the same. When they start to require cyclists to register their bikes and help contribute tax dollars to the maintenance of the roads then the cyclists can have some say as to how the roads are used until then shut the fark up and get out of the way.

Uninformed much?


Like to make a snark comment without anything to back it up much? There is no requirement that I know of that requires cyclists to contribute to the maintenance and/or any changes they cry about all the the time. And no your car registration and fuel taxes don't count. Roads are for cars, yes bikes are allowed to use them but that doesn't give those God damned mosquitos the right to block traffic, run stop signs and red lights and certainly does not give them the right to dictate how the roads are used. Streets are not a farking playground for all the god damned Lance Armstrong wannabes to buzz around on.
 
2013-04-03 09:42:30 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: RabidJade: Dwight_Yeast: ...and that's where you started looking like an idiot.  Most cyclists own cars.  They buy gas for cars which is taxed to maintain the road.  Understand?

/the next lesson involves the fact that the original reason roads were paved with asphalt was for cyclists, not cars, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

They are also using a untaxed, unregulated vehicle on a roadway which was changed to accommodate them (all the fancy lines, curbs, and other paint for bicycle lanes/trails costs money you know). Also you last fact is probably wrong.

You don't think there's sales tax on bikes?


Sales tax? Really? I paid sales tax on my AR-15 too does that mean I can set up a shooting range on main street? If that is your argument shut the fark up. Sorry but the extra $20 you spent on your Schwinn doesn't give you Carte Blanche to clog up the streets.
 
2013-04-03 09:46:06 AM  

sheep snorter: Green pavement? So like I could set up a picnic spot and eat lunch? Or maybe have my dog crap on since its green and not bother picking it up because nature and compost into the green pavement grass.

Paint parts of roadway green so bicycle people stay on it and stop swerving all over the lane of traffic and basically impeding traffic flow which is a ticket offense.
Get caught three times and impound the bicycle.
Use another bicycle and take a trip to jail for being a bicycling asshole.


You're a ticket offense.
 
2013-04-03 09:48:15 AM  

titwrench: Uchiha_Cycliste: RabidJade: Dwight_Yeast: ...and that's where you started looking like an idiot.  Most cyclists own cars.  They buy gas for cars which is taxed to maintain the road.  Understand?

/the next lesson involves the fact that the original reason roads were paved with asphalt was for cyclists, not cars, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

They are also using a untaxed, unregulated vehicle on a roadway which was changed to accommodate them (all the fancy lines, curbs, and other paint for bicycle lanes/trails costs money you know). Also you last fact is probably wrong.

You don't think there's sales tax on bikes?

Sales tax? Really? I paid sales tax on my AR-15 too does that mean I can set up a shooting range on main street? If that is your argument shut the fark up. Sorry but the extra $20 you spent on your Schwinn doesn't give you Carte Blanche to clog up the streets.


Yeah it does.
 
2013-04-03 10:00:56 AM  

titwrench: Uchiha_Cycliste: RabidJade: Dwight_Yeast: ...and that's where you started looking like an idiot.  Most cyclists own cars.  They buy gas for cars which is taxed to maintain the road.  Understand?

/the next lesson involves the fact that the original reason roads were paved with asphalt was for cyclists, not cars, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

They are also using a untaxed, unregulated vehicle on a roadway which was changed to accommodate them (all the fancy lines, curbs, and other paint for bicycle lanes/trails costs money you know). Also you last fact is probably wrong.

You don't think there's sales tax on bikes?

Sales tax? Really? I paid sales tax on my AR-15 too does that mean I can set up a shooting range on main street? If that is your argument shut the fark up. Sorry but the extra $20 you spent on your Schwinn doesn't give you Carte Blanche to clog up the streets.


No, the Law says that I can use the streets and that I am classified as a vehicle. I'm just pointing out that we do pay taxes. You are either lying or woefully misinformed. Besides, would you prefer all of us that ride bikes drove instead? One person to a car. Do you have any appreciation for the reduction in traffic and pollution are responsible? What are you upset about? The VAST majority of cyclists are never in your way, and when they are it's because the far right is unsafe. Can you express what is pissing you off? Did a cyclist rape your puppy when you were 5? What the hell?
 
2013-04-03 10:08:29 AM  
Anyways, heh... I'm gonna ride to work now. We'll continue this later =D
 
2013-04-03 10:54:11 AM  
I live in Ventura County (next to LA County) and we have them here too.  Very ugly.
 
2013-04-03 11:34:20 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: MrEricSir: [img844.imageshack.us image 510x318]

Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.

Just watch out for the gargoyles.


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2013-04-03 11:57:22 AM  

titwrench: Uchiha_Cycliste: RabidJade: Dwight_Yeast: ...and that's where you started looking like an idiot.  Most cyclists own cars.  They buy gas for cars which is taxed to maintain the road.  Understand?

/the next lesson involves the fact that the original reason roads were paved with asphalt was for cyclists, not cars, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

They are also using a untaxed, unregulated vehicle on a roadway which was changed to accommodate them (all the fancy lines, curbs, and other paint for bicycle lanes/trails costs money you know). Also you last fact is probably wrong.

You don't think there's sales tax on bikes?

Sales tax? Really? I paid sales tax on my AR-15 too does that mean I can set up a shooting range on main street? If that is your argument shut the fark up. Sorry but the extra $20 you spent on your Schwinn doesn't give you Carte Blanche to clog up the streets.


You should vent your anger in person, bicyclists have a special gathering where frustrated motorists like yourself can talk to the cyclists about their concerns. Just keep an eye out for the next critical mass ride and don't forgot to be as big an asshole IRL as you are on the Internet.
 
2013-04-03 12:04:59 PM  
Health?  Safety?  Forget that stuff!  What is really important is that you don't inconvenience Hollywood a tiny bit.
 
2013-04-03 12:08:48 PM  
It's too bad they don't have the technology to edit green out of a shot.
 
2013-04-03 12:34:10 PM  

titwrench: Roads are for cars,


No.  Roads are for vehicles.  A bicycle is a vehicle entitled to exactly the same rights on the road as a car.

You are correct that bicyclists often don't follow the same responsibilities as those driving in a car do.
 
2013-04-03 12:47:50 PM  
Evil Saltine: The city's priority is also to provide jobs.  The green painted lane don't just "screw multimillionaire execs" and movie directors don't use the downtown as a hobby or "playground" as you term it.  Actually, it interferes wit a business which provides work to lots of people who aren't multimillionaire movie execs.  I note you live in CA... maybe you've seen a film production or actuallty been on a set.

How about moving one street over.


Sure. And I'm not convinced how big a deal it is.  OTOH, and as others pointed out, when you're in the middle of economic hardtimes and you are competing with NYC, several US states and Canada for filming locations, why further piss off the biggest employer(s) in town?

Manimal 2878 Weren't there numerous articles in the last month about how movie studios are moving out of hollywood and business that were dependant on hollywood were suffering?

Which is it?



It's a complicated picture.  Fact is some shows and movies have or are in the process of moving out.  The numbers of film shoots in LA County are down. Reality is the salad days of Hollywood are over. But as far as I know, the studios aren't moving.  As such, LA still has the definite advantage of economies of scale (as others have pointed out).  The backlot studios, soundstages, equipment rental and supporting industries are all here and other locations don't have the same scale... (except say, NYC and Vancouver).  Not to mention the manpower such as the crews and the talent are here (Yeah, sure you can fly George Clooney to whatever location, but what about the need for everyone else from supporting down to background?).  As such, everyday there are still plenty of TV shows shooting every single day here plus movies (including plenty of low budget and commercial stuff) and commercials.   The question is whether the damage is already done or LA is still on a decline as to relates to the "Industry".

For example, New Mexico was able in the last few years to grab several movies and also Breaking Bad.  But, I'm curious about the costs on that.  Breaking Bad is wrapping up filming. However, there are still occassional movies that decide to do everything in NM instead of LA, and they might get another show or two. I assume they have all the support stuff as in LA, but if there are less movies/shows filmed there is it more expensive to pay for all those things (or does the tax advantage really more than make up for it).
 
2013-04-03 01:06:35 PM  

GameSprocket: Surool: FTA:"...  and makes it harder for L.A. to do what it does best: play other cities. "

I don't think anyone believed that those palm trees were native to Cleveland, but you can keep telling yourselves you were doing a good job.

This wasn't really Wisconsin?!!!

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CSB
When they were filming Public Enemies in my town, the big early 1900's era hotel stood in for one in Arizona, so they put  a Saguro cactus in front. So i guess you really can be anywhere.
I kinda wish they had kept a replica of it up to confound future generations.
 
2013-04-03 02:15:03 PM  
As a Californian and someone who just started using Metrolink trains and a bike to get to and from work, I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-04-03 02:49:02 PM  

CipollinaFan: You should not bike in LA the air quality is not safe for exercise.
If you go somewhere you should drive.


Compared to 20 years ago it's paradise. Mornings aren't a greyish yellow haze every day for six months straight anymore, thanks largely to tighter vehicle pollution controls.

/Still get a few days of that every year, though.
//If it's not safe to bike it's not safe to breathe at all, and recirculating the A/C in your car isn't going to keep you from breathing the VOCs.
 
2013-04-03 02:58:39 PM  

titwrench: More like the entitled cyclists want the scenery to change to suit them. The Hollywood types want to keep everything the same. When they start to require cyclists to register their bikes and help contribute tax dollars to the maintenance of the roads then the cyclists can have some say as to how the roads are used until then shut the fark up and get out of the way.


Really? I'd gladly pay a licensing and registration fee for my bicycle if it meant roads would be designed and restriped with me in mind. Fark, it's nearly impossible to even get some of my local reps to accept that bicycles shouldn't be banned from the roadway entirely. At least if they saw the money, greed might win over the curmudgeons. I suspect most adult cyclists would approve, although poor college students would whine all day long about it cutting into their Pabst money.

But fark anyone for thinking bicycles should pay an equal share of transportation dollars, when it's big trucks, SUVs, and cars that ruin the roads, in that order.

/Special bike paths should be paid for out of a bike licensing fund, not the whiny biatches general fund.
 
2013-04-03 03:10:04 PM  

Fano: Proof that cyclists are dildoes? The whining about the fact that bike lanes aren't being made even more obvious. LA isn't decreasing them. They aren't punishing bikers. LA is just listening to filmmakers, who say that this particular system will make it harder to make period pieces. And it doesn't appear that they will do even that.  ZOMG! HATE AGAINST CYCLISTS! CYCLISTS DESERVE THE ROAD MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE THEY ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND fark YOU PEOPLE WITH CARS!


You might want to up your meds again.
 
2013-04-03 03:32:59 PM  
this is what happens when you slowly get rid of practical effects guys.
The old guys are probably laughing.
 
2013-04-03 03:49:42 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I'm no video expert.  Can't they do a little "green screen" special effects to get rid of that green bike lane?


They already do that. It's really crazy just how often they do this kind of thing.

Barely a film is made anymore that doesn't have a ton of photo real replacement elements in it.
 
2013-04-03 03:55:15 PM  

GuidoDelConfuso: All sorts of actual facts about actual post production and vfx techniques.


I'm late to the party here and this thread is just about dead, but just needed to applaud your efforts. The only reason anyone says "it's just a simple thing to..." is because they don't want to pay for it.

Likewise, when someone says "I/my friend/my nephew/NFL/NASA did it and it was easy," means that they don't understand the cost/quality/speed relationship of the process.

Making broadcast/theater quality video effects is expensive. Period. Anyone that doesn't think so is just a cheapskate or, as they are known in the industry...clients.
 
2013-04-03 09:00:26 PM  

fusillade762: Hollie Maea: These don't exist in any other city? Dumbasses have never been to Portland, apparently.

We don't have green bike lanes (that I'm aware of).


We have *bike boxes*, and in some intersections the number of right hook accidents actually doubled.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Changes-coming-to-some-Portland-bike- bo xes-175449051.html
 
2013-04-05 06:34:58 AM  

kapaso: titwrench: Uchiha_Cycliste: RabidJade: Dwight_Yeast: ...and that's where you started looking like an idiot.  Most cyclists own cars.  They buy gas for cars which is taxed to maintain the road.  Understand?

/the next lesson involves the fact that the original reason roads were paved with asphalt was for cyclists, not cars, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

They are also using a untaxed, unregulated vehicle on a roadway which was changed to accommodate them (all the fancy lines, curbs, and other paint for bicycle lanes/trails costs money you know). Also you last fact is probably wrong.

You don't think there's sales tax on bikes?

Sales tax? Really? I paid sales tax on my AR-15 too does that mean I can set up a shooting range on main street? If that is your argument shut the fark up. Sorry but the extra $20 you spent on your Schwinn doesn't give you Carte Blanche to clog up the streets.

You should vent your anger in person, bicyclists have a special gathering where frustrated motorists like yourself can talk to the cyclists about their concerns. Just keep an eye out for the next critical mass ride and don't forgot to be as big an asshole IRL as you are on the Internet.


I'm disappointed in Critical Mass. It started as a good idea but has long since become a self-defeating event. In a lot of ways I consider it to be like PETA, MADD and the Sierra Club. All of these groups started as good ideas with noble goals and have all lost sight of what they were trying to accomplish. Critical Mass started with the intention of getting people's attention and educating them about what rights cyclists have in addition to drawing people's attention to the fact that there are in fact cyclists on the road, with every right to be there. Now a days all they do is piss people off and instead of making the streets safer for cyclists they are more dangerous. sigh,
 
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