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2013-04-02 11:37:05 PM  

TaterTot_HotDish: ZAZ: I thought paint was too slippery for bicycles. There are plastic coatings, but they are expensive to cover an area as opposed to a line.

I've ridden on this kind of green paint (they're misinformed when they say 'it doesn't exist in any other city' - yes, it does, idiots), and it has sand or something added to it to give it some grit.  But it's still a bit slipperier than asphalt.

Also, this is an excellent example of entitled Hollywood assholes who thinks the world revolves around them and don't mind sacrificing some non-celebrity bicyclists if it keeps their movie budgets lower.


Luckily the world revolves around cyclists.
 
2013-04-02 11:37:42 PM  

wildcardjack: I'm thinking of a bit of advice I got about living longer...

Don't get involved with Eastern Europeans.
Don't ride a bicycle anywhere that may have motor vehicles.
Don't walk and talk on a cell phone at the same time.


Don't mess around with Slim.
 
2013-04-02 11:41:00 PM  
Paint them bright red so we won't notice the blood when these pretentious assholes get run over.
 
2013-04-02 11:43:30 PM  
Screw the crying, multi-millionaire, movie execs.  Is a city really supposed to plan its transportation around filming? Puhleeze.  What is the priority here?  A somewhat livable city with good transportation or a play ground for movie directors?
 
2013-04-02 11:44:03 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I'm no video expert.  Can't they do a little "green screen" special effects to get rid of that green bike lane?


Because they'd be forced to rely more on VFX houses they've been grossly underpaying.

andychrist420: funmonger: Funny how some Hollywood nativists get this way, protecting LA's film industry as if it wasn't 50% porn. Lobby your damned government for incentives, not injunctions.

Actually, most of the porn is filmed in the San Fernando Valley, miles north of downtown.  It's pretty low budget, and they usually film indoors anyway.  LA would be screwed without Hollywood and the peripheral industries.  It's never good to bite the hand that feeds you millions of dollars.


And the LA condom law is making porn move anyways.
 
2013-04-02 11:45:04 PM  

Brick-House: Paint them bright red so we won't notice the blood when these pretentious assholes get run over.


So now riding a farking bicycle is pretentious? Really?
 
2013-04-02 11:45:42 PM  

Ima4nic8or: Screw the crying, multi-millionaire, movie execs.  Is a city really supposed to plan its transportation around filming? Puhleeze.  What is the priority here?  A somewhat livable city with good transportation or a play ground for movie directors?


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Not sure if serious
 
2013-04-03 12:05:53 AM  

Hollie Maea: These don't exist in any other city? Dumbasses have never been to Portland, apparently.


We don't have green bike lanes (that I'm aware of).
 
2013-04-03 12:17:33 AM  

fusillade762: Hollie Maea: These don't exist in any other city? Dumbasses have never been to Portland, apparently.

We don't have green bike lanes (that I'm aware of).


Broadway.
 
2013-04-03 12:18:49 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: ...and that's where you started looking like an idiot.  Most cyclists own cars.  They buy gas for cars which is taxed to maintain the road.  Understand?

/the next lesson involves the fact that the original reason roads were paved with asphalt was for cyclists, not cars, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.


They are also using a untaxed, unregulated vehicle on a roadway which was changed to accommodate them (all the fancy lines, curbs, and other paint for bicycle lanes/trails costs money you know). Also you last fact is probably wrong.
 
2013-04-03 12:20:19 AM  

sheep snorter: Green pavement? So like I could set up a picnic spot and eat lunch? Or maybe have my dog crap on since its green and not bother picking it up because nature and compost into the green pavement grass.

Paint parts of roadway green so bicycle people stay on it and stop swerving all over the lane of traffic and basically impeding traffic flow which is a ticket offense.
Get caught three times and impound the bicycle.
Use another bicycle and take a trip to jail for being a bicycling asshole.


Waaaaaaaah
 
2013-04-03 12:22:12 AM  

titwrench: TaterTot_HotDish: ZAZ: I thought paint was too slippery for bicycles. There are plastic coatings, but they are expensive to cover an area as opposed to a line.

I've ridden on this kind of green paint (they're misinformed when they say 'it doesn't exist in any other city' - yes, it does, idiots), and it has sand or something added to it to give it some grit.  But it's still a bit slipperier than asphalt.

Also, this is an excellent example of entitled Hollywood assholes who thinks the world revolves around them and don't mind sacrificing some non-celebrity bicyclists if it keeps their movie budgets lower.

More like the entitled cyclists want the scenery to change to suit them. The Hollywood types want to keep everything the same. When they start to require cyclists to register their bikes and help contribute tax dollars to the maintenance of the roads then the cyclists can have some say as to how the roads are used until then shut the fark up and get out of the way.


Uninformed much?
 
2013-04-03 12:27:41 AM  
It isn't just movie filming, it's television and commercial filming. Go to downtown LA on any given Sunday morning and you can find at least one car commercial being filmed.

And most people would be surprised how many people are needed for what winds up as 5 seconds of video in a 30 second ad. Filming on location is still a big deal for LA.

I say fark 'em though.
 
2013-04-03 12:34:46 AM  
About to hit the hay, so don't know if anyone else said...We have those bright green lanes here in Boulder.  For a year or two now.  I shiat you not.
 
2013-04-03 12:37:59 AM  

blacksharpiemarker: MrEricSir: [img844.imageshack.us image 510x318]

Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing. everything

/FTFY
//Miss me some European roundabouts and speed limits (or lack thereof)


The problem in America (so I hear) is that we built many of our cities and suburbs around having cars. Built with the intention of being a car culture. Consequently, things are so decentralized in lots of places that you practically have to drive to get anything done. LA especially is one giant concrete span from the Ocean to the mountains, from Malibu to Camp Pendalton.  It's sad, but it makes it really difficult to convince people to ride instead of drive.
 
2013-04-03 12:39:27 AM  

mafiageek1980: Perhaps maybe Austin could benefit from having a green bike lane. It might keep some of the Lance-Armstrong wannabes out of the road (not saying ALL bicyclers are Lance Armstrong douchebags, but some are).


The law states that we are to ride as far to the right as is safe. If the far right is totally filled with glass and debris, then we are supposed to take up a car's spot in the right most lane.
 
2013-04-03 12:40:50 AM  

LordOfThePings: They'll get over it.

[www.globalrhetoric.com image 299x320]

Or not.


Look really closely at the neck area. Yikes.
 
2013-04-03 12:42:18 AM  

Marine1: Surool: MrEricSir: Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.

Aren't you cute.


no =P
 
2013-04-03 12:44:59 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: blacksharpiemarker: MrEricSir: [img844.imageshack.us image 510x318]

Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing. everything

/FTFY
//Miss me some European roundabouts and speed limits (or lack thereof)

The problem in America (so I hear) is that we built many of our cities and suburbs around having cars. Built with the intention of being a car culture. Consequently, things are so decentralized in lots of places that you practically have to drive to get anything done. LA especially is one giant concrete span from the Ocean to the mountains, from Malibu to Camp Pendalton.  It's sad, but it makes it really difficult to convince people to ride instead of drive.


Very true, but a combination of public transportation and safe riding routes (for the last mile between transit lines and the destination) could help convince people to stop driving. LA Metro is already building lines from downtown to the sea, if we can get some safe bike routes from the stations to work destinations it will become really attractive to ditch the car especially if it saves time and money.
 
2013-04-03 12:45:15 AM  
Could be worse.  Some morons in the LA government could have it painted pink for breast cancer awareness.
 
2013-04-03 12:46:23 AM  

RabidJade: Dwight_Yeast: ...and that's where you started looking like an idiot.  Most cyclists own cars.  They buy gas for cars which is taxed to maintain the road.  Understand?

/the next lesson involves the fact that the original reason roads were paved with asphalt was for cyclists, not cars, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

They are also using a untaxed, unregulated vehicle on a roadway which was changed to accommodate them (all the fancy lines, curbs, and other paint for bicycle lanes/trails costs money you know). Also you last fact is probably wrong.


You don't think there's sales tax on bikes?
 
2013-04-03 12:50:33 AM  

TotallyHeadless: Uchiha_Cycliste: blacksharpiemarker: MrEricSir: [img844.imageshack.us image 510x318]

Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing. everything

/FTFY
//Miss me some European roundabouts and speed limits (or lack thereof)

The problem in America (so I hear) is that we built many of our cities and suburbs around having cars. Built with the intention of being a car culture. Consequently, things are so decentralized in lots of places that you practically have to drive to get anything done. LA especially is one giant concrete span from the Ocean to the mountains, from Malibu to Camp Pendalton.  It's sad, but it makes it really difficult to convince people to ride instead of drive.

Very true, but a combination of public transportation and safe riding routes (for the last mile between transit lines and the destination) could help convince people to stop driving. LA Metro is already building lines from downtown to the sea, if we can get some safe bike routes from the stations to work destinations it will become really attractive to ditch the car especially if it saves time and money.


I grew up in OC and live in the Bay area now. The difference is night and day. Orange county was passable in some places, LA scares the hell out of me, but where I am (on the Peninsula) I have no problem riding the 20 miles to work every day and riding part if the way home (cal train for the rest) Up here they took the time to have lots of bike lanes, wider roads and special bike routes to get from place to place and it really makes a world of difference.  I can see how they could do the same thing in a lot of cities, but LA isn;t one of them. Not to mention how rageful, preoccupied, self centered and dangerous all the drivers are. For all the reasons driving on the freeways is more fun down there, riding a bike is more dangerous.

\Expressways up here kick ass on a bike.
 
2013-04-03 12:54:31 AM  

Mister Peejay: ZAZ: I thought paint was too slippery for bicycles. There are plastic coatings, but they are expensive to cover an area as opposed to a line.

This.  You quickly learn that there are two things you ride straight across without braking when the road is wet:  Metal, and paint stripes.

If you're lucky, you don't have to wait for your collarbone to knit.  But one hell of a way to drive the lesson home.


I was worried about this too, and then I just realized that it doesn't rain down there... so it's a moot point =P
 
2013-04-03 12:54:38 AM  
I live in an obscure part of Queens that is suddenly infested with television/movie crews when I'm trying to get to work, the industry seems to be blowing up in NYC.  Luckily I never hit it when they were actually filming, but it's still annoying as all hell traffic-wise even when they're just setting shiat up or taking it down.  My neighborhood is mostly made up of nearly 100 year old detached (albeit practically touching) houses so the north side of town is used to depict quaint old-school American suburbs and my side is used to depict semi-shiatty working class urban neighborhoods.  For people who commute through downtown LA, I'm sure any incentive to discourage film crews is welcome, screw the fact that you get to see part of your real world on TV.
 
2013-04-03 12:58:59 AM  
One time Jack Bauer disarmed a biological bomb in my old chemistry room in high school. True story.
 
2013-04-03 12:59:29 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: TotallyHeadless: Uchiha_Cycliste: blacksharpiemarker: MrEricSir: [img844.imageshack.us image 510x318]

Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing. everything

/FTFY
//Miss me some European roundabouts and speed limits (or lack thereof)

The problem in America (so I hear) is that we built many of our cities and suburbs around having cars. Built with the intention of being a car culture. Consequently, things are so decentralized in lots of places that you practically have to drive to get anything done. LA especially is one giant concrete span from the Ocean to the mountains, from Malibu to Camp Pendalton.  It's sad, but it makes it really difficult to convince people to ride instead of drive.

Very true, but a combination of public transportation and safe riding routes (for the last mile between transit lines and the destination) could help convince people to stop driving. LA Metro is already building lines from downtown to the sea, if we can get some safe bike routes from the stations to work destinations it will become really attractive to ditch the car especially if it saves time and money.

I grew up in OC and live in the Bay area now. The difference is night and day. Orange county was passable in some places, LA scares the hell out of me, but where I am (on the Peninsula) I have no problem riding the 20 miles to work every day and riding part if the way home (cal train for the rest) Up here they took the time to have lots of bike lanes, wider roads and special bike routes to get from place to place and it really makes a world of difference.  I can see how they could do the same thing in a lot of cities, but LA isn;t one of them. Not to mention how rageful, preoccupied, self centered and dangerous all the drivers are. For all the reasons driving on the freeways is more fun down there, riding a bike is more dangerous.

\Expressways up here kick ass on a bike.


Cycling in LA is scary as hell, I'm afraid for cyclists even when I'm driving. That's why I think that cycling has to have some safe corridors in specific places in LA. I admit it will never work for the whole city, but if there is a clever way of linking these corridors with public transportation (trains mostly), one could easily save hours in traffic over the work week. That may be attractive for people who drive because they have to, not because they want to.
 
2013-04-03 01:11:30 AM  

RabidJade: They are also using a untaxed, unregulated vehicle on a roadway which was changed to accommodate them (all the fancy lines, curbs, and other paint for bicycle lanes/trails costs money you know).


Don't forget the pedestrians. Just think how much is spent maintaining sidewalks that are used by freeloaders who pay NO shoe tax!

WHEN WILL THE CLASS WARFARE END?!
 
2013-04-03 01:25:57 AM  

TotallyHeadless: Uchiha_Cycliste: TotallyHeadless: Uchiha_Cycliste: blacksharpiemarker: MrEricSir: [img844.imageshack.us image 510x318]

Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing. everything

/FTFY
//Miss me some European roundabouts and speed limits (or lack thereof)

The problem in America (so I hear) is that we built many of our cities and suburbs around having cars. Built with the intention of being a car culture. Consequently, things are so decentralized in lots of places that you practically have to drive to get anything done. LA especially is one giant concrete span from the Ocean to the mountains, from Malibu to Camp Pendalton.  It's sad, but it makes it really difficult to convince people to ride instead of drive.

Very true, but a combination of public transportation and safe riding routes (for the last mile between transit lines and the destination) could help convince people to stop driving. LA Metro is already building lines from downtown to the sea, if we can get some safe bike routes from the stations to work destinations it will become really attractive to ditch the car especially if it saves time and money.

I grew up in OC and live in the Bay area now. The difference is night and day. Orange county was passable in some places, LA scares the hell out of me, but where I am (on the Peninsula) I have no problem riding the 20 miles to work every day and riding part if the way home (cal train for the rest) Up here they took the time to have lots of bike lanes, wider roads and special bike routes to get from place to place and it really makes a world of difference.  I can see how they could do the same thing in a lot of cities, but LA isn;t one of them. Not to mention how rageful, preoccupied, self centered and dangerous all the drivers are. For all the reasons driving on the freeways is more fun down there, riding a bike is more dangerous.

\Expressways up here kick ...


It would be great if LA could do that, but honestly  they don't have much room to expand. Everything is accounted for.
 
2013-04-03 01:38:37 AM  

Marine1: I've taken 4 semesters of Adobe Premier/ After Effects classes in my IT track. I'm getting burned out on it, but for an experienced editor, we're talking an extra hour or two max taking care of something like this. Don't like the green lane? Add an adjustment layer, mask it out, apply color correction, and adjust the mask for the changes in the footage. That's it. With a few dozen people working on a project in an editing bay with some software they probably have on hand anyways and a halfway-decent rendering farm (or, hell, just a good set of graphics hardware in a single machine), this is taken care of before the directors finish lunch at the commissary.


I do this sort of thing for a living, and you are so woefully misguided that it's laughable.

First off, most projects don't have the sort of crew on hand in the cutting room to do what you're talking about, and most editors don't have anything close to the expertise to do it themselves. Rendering farm? Special software and hardware? Haha! You're joking, right? Generally, if it can't be done in Avid by the assistant editor, it doesn't happen until the shot is bid out to a VFX house--and that takes weeks or months before you even know if it's possible to get a satisfactory result.

If the shot moves at all, you're hosed. If anyone walks in front of the green paint, you're hosed. Green screens have to be lit carefully so the color is uniform, which painted road will certainly not be. This sort of effect would not be trivial to do, and could potentially run into many thousands of dollars for a VFX house to do, since it would probably involve rotoscoping, motion tracking, matte painting, and other (expensive) techniques to make it look halfway decent.

Even if it took "an extra hour or two max", which it wouldn't, we're talking about potentially dozens or hundreds of shots here, and that's just in the offline. No producer wants to spend $100,000 getting rid of some goddamn green paint on the ground when it comes time to actually finish the shots.

Something like 1 in 6 people in LA are employed in some capacity in the entertainment industry. It's effectively a Hollywood company town, and the city would do well to listen to its financial lifeblood. Enough productions are already leaving the state in droves. Why give them one more reason to do so?
 
2013-04-03 02:17:12 AM  

RabidJade: They are also using a untaxed, unregulated vehicle on a roadway which was changed to accommodate them (all the fancy lines, curbs, and other paint for bicycle lanes/trails costs money you know). Also you last fact is probably wrong.


Fun fact: Most people who own bikes also own cars!
Also, by your logic, roads shouldn't ever by modified to have sidewalks on them because pedestrians are "untaxed and unregulated".
 
2013-04-03 02:43:03 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Marine1: Surool: MrEricSir: Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.

Aren't you cute.

no =P


I didn't praise America where it wasn't worthy? I feel turrible.
 
2013-04-03 02:51:01 AM  
Proof that cyclists are dildoes? The whining about the fact that bike lanes aren't being made even more obvious. LA isn't decreasing them. They aren't punishing bikers. LA is just listening to filmmakers, who say that this particular system will make it harder to make period pieces. And it doesn't appear that they will do even that.  ZOMG! HATE AGAINST CYCLISTS! CYCLISTS DESERVE THE ROAD MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE THEY ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND fark YOU PEOPLE WITH CARS!
 
2013-04-03 02:51:40 AM  
Ima4nic8or: Screw the crying, multi-millionaire, movie execs.  Is a city really supposed to plan its transportation around filming? Puhleeze.  What is the priority here?  A somewhat livable city with good transportation or a play ground for movie directors?


The city's priority is also to provide jobs.  The green painted lane don't just "screw multimillionaire execs" and movie directors don't use the downtown as a hobby or "playground" as you term it.  Actually, it interferes wit a business which provides work to lots of people who aren't multimillionaire movie execs.  I note you live in CA... maybe you've seen a film production or actuallty been on a set.
 
2013-04-03 03:05:40 AM  

Osomatic: BarkingUnicorn: I'm no video expert.  Can't they do a little "green screen" special effects to get rid of that green bike lane?

Probably, but it's still a pain in the neck and even though it's cheaper these days, it's still an added expense.


Its really not, i did a bunch of green screen stuff for a movie me and my friends made screwing around in high school ten years ago, took about 10 minutes IIRC on my home PC ten years ago. Local news stations have been doing live weather green screens for how many decades now? Thats probably among the reasons they painted it bright green in the first place.


GuidoDelConfuso: If the shot moves at all, you're hosed. If anyone walks in front of the green paint, you're hosed. Green screens have to be lit carefully so the color is uniform, which painted road will certainly not be. This sort of effect would not be trivial to do, and could potentially run into many thousands of dollars for a VFX house to do, since it would probably involve rotoscoping, motion tracking, matte painting, and other (expensive) techniques to make it look halfway decent.


How do they do it live using an unevenly lit fast panned with players running all over it football field as a green screen every sunday then?
 
2013-04-03 03:23:33 AM  

CruJones: Maybe try filming in the actual city being portrayed.


It's way too expensive for the average TV show or even movie to do a five-minute shot in New York or Chicago when they can just step outside and use "generic city street" in Los Angeles. Unless they're a massively-budgeted blockbuster, and need to go to Istanbul to do six weeks of filming to show Matt Damon jumping through windows, you're going to do it in South Central and change all the license plates on the cars.

That said, I've seen plenty of film productions, and even worked on a couple, and there are a shiatload of streets where they can film perfectly good "generic city street" shots that are not Sixth Street. This just sounds like the union being really lazy to me.
 
2013-04-03 03:27:51 AM  

rkiller1: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Corporate welfare only works when a nation brings in enough ordinary tax revenue to maintain a respectable level of public services and infrastructure.

The United States, for reasons which would sicken me to describe, does not do that.

Citation needed on the three points you make, please.


I cannot. I shall therefore amend it to include the phrase "in my opinion." Plus, in retrospect, it was simplistic of me to refer to "a nation" bringing in tax revenue when so many other political entities are also responsible for taxation for basic public services and infrastructure.

However, I stand by my basic point, that with so many schools in need of resources, so many people in need of decent health care and so many bridges in need of repair -- not everywhere, but many places --- it's clear that some money somewhere is not getting collected the way it should, whether due to tax rates or tax breaks.
 
2013-04-03 03:38:50 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: rkiller1: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Corporate welfare only works when a nation brings in enough ordinary tax revenue to maintain a respectable level of public services and infrastructure.

The United States, for reasons which would sicken me to describe, does not do that.

Citation needed on the three points you make, please.

I cannot. I shall therefore amend it to include the phrase "in my opinion." Plus, in retrospect, it was simplistic of me to refer to "a nation" bringing in tax revenue when so many other political entities are also responsible for taxation for basic public services and infrastructure.

However, I stand by my basic point, that with so many schools in need of resources, so many people in need of decent health care and so many bridges in need of repair -- not everywhere, but many places --- it's clear that some money somewhere is not getting collected the way it should, whether due to tax rates or tax breaks.


I would opine that the money is getting collected in both the way that it should and in the amount that is needed; it is merely not being allocated correctly.
 
2013-04-03 04:20:28 AM  

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: fusillade762: Hollie Maea: These don't exist in any other city? Dumbasses have never been to Portland, apparently.

We don't have green bike lanes (that I'm aware of).

Broadway.


Apparently they've also never been to Santa Monica, less than 20 miles away.  It's a lot closer than Portland, so you'd think it at least would have been on the LA Times site or in a blog or something.
 
2013-04-03 04:21:36 AM  
 
2013-04-03 04:43:25 AM  

Cyno01: How do they do it live using an unevenly lit fast panned with players running all over it football field as a green screen every sunday then?


*SIGH* If you really want to know, Google it. But the short answer is this: They build a 3D topographic map of the entire field beforehand, and collect pan/tilt data from the camera in real time in order to figure out where to place the graphic overlay. The green field is part of a relatively controlled environment designed for the express purpose of playing televised football, so it's fairly straightforward to chromakey in real time. It's not perfect though, as you'll occasionally notice if you look carefully. The system costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, and must be specifically designed for every field where it is used.

Keying out an evenly lit green screen in a controlled environment where you don't have to deal with motion tracking at all is a completely different problem from replacing part of a shot in a film shot on location. Saying you were able to do a green screen effect in high school so it can't be that hard is about as ignorant as saying that climbing Mt. Everest can't be that hard because you used to take nature hikes as a Boy Scout.
 
2013-04-03 04:47:05 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Ima4nic8or: Screw the crying, multi-millionaire, movie execs.  Is a city really supposed to plan its transportation around filming? Puhleeze.  What is the priority here?  A somewhat livable city with good transportation or a play ground for movie directors?


The city's priority is also to provide jobs.  The green painted lane don't just "screw multimillionaire execs" and movie directors don't use the downtown as a hobby or "playground" as you term it.  Actually, it interferes wit a business which provides work to lots of people who aren't multimillionaire movie execs.  I note you live in CA... maybe you've seen a film production or actuallty been on a set.


How about moving one street over.
 
2013-04-03 05:12:26 AM  

Mikey1969: Their concern: The bright color would be a distraction to viewers, doesn't belong in period movies and makes it harder for L.A. to do what it does best: play other cities.

Hey guys... BIKE LANES don't usually belong in period movies...

Get over it.


maybe LA should have let the street paved with koblestones (or just dirt), and ban everyone to build modern building around it?
 
2013-04-03 05:21:50 AM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Bike lanes. There are far more ways to do them wrong than to do them right. And urban planners seem to be intent in finding and implementing each and every one of those wrong ways.


this it how it works:
you build really crappy, bumpy, dangerous bike line.
-if cyclist use them, they are farked
-if cyclist dont use them, they are farked to, because car-drivers will try to kill them, "they should use the bike lane" is for some morons enough of a reason.
End of the game, people stick to their cars because it is the only safe and confortable mean of transport.
Now I'm not saying there is lobying from the car-industry or such, but there are a lot of bike-lanes in Berlin and everywhere in Germany that can't be explained by sheer stupidity alone.
 
2013-04-03 07:31:05 AM  

MrEricSir: [img844.imageshack.us image 510x318]

Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.


Just watch out for the gargoyles.
 
2013-04-03 07:58:23 AM  
Just roller paint a water soluble any other color over the lanes while  you are renting the privilege to shoot them.
Hose them off when you are done.

Next topic: Why mainstream Hollywood movies suck donkey balls.
 
2013-04-03 08:30:27 AM  
Slow news day?
 
2013-04-03 08:32:40 AM  
This is why the Republik of Kalifornia is bankrupt.

Ever ridden a bike on wet paint?  Its awesome....so much traction you don't know what to do with it all...
 
2013-04-03 09:04:41 AM  

On-Off: Mikey1969: Their concern: The bright color would be a distraction to viewers, doesn't belong in period movies and makes it harder for L.A. to do what it does best: play other cities.

Hey guys... BIKE LANES don't usually belong in period movies...

Get over it.

maybe LA should have let the street paved with koblestones (or just dirt), and ban everyone to build modern building around it?


For the true period feel, it should only be here and buggies on the street, too.
 
2013-04-03 09:07:06 AM  
Weren't there numerous articles in the last month about how movie studios are moving out of hollywood and business that were dependant on hollywood were suffering?

Which is it?
 
2013-04-03 09:10:04 AM  

GuidoDelConfuso: Marine1: I've taken 4 semesters of Adobe Premier/ After Effects classes in my IT track. I'm getting burned out on it, but for an experienced editor, we're talking an extra hour or two max taking care of something like this. Don't like the green lane? Add an adjustment layer, mask it out, apply color correction, and adjust the mask for the changes in the footage. That's it. With a few dozen people working on a project in an editing bay with some software they probably have on hand anyways and a halfway-decent rendering farm (or, hell, just a good set of graphics hardware in a single machine), this is taken care of before the directors finish lunch at the commissary.

I do this sort of thing for a living, and you are so woefully misguided that it's laughable.

First off, most projects don't have the sort of crew on hand in the cutting room to do what you're talking about, and most editors don't have anything close to the expertise to do it themselves. Rendering farm? Special software and hardware? Haha! You're joking, right? Generally, if it can't be done in Avid by the assistant editor, it doesn't happen until the shot is bid out to a VFX house--and that takes weeks or months before you even know if it's possible to get a satisfactory result.

If the shot moves at all, you're hosed. If anyone walks in front of the green paint, you're hosed. Green screens have to be lit carefully so the color is uniform, which painted road will certainly not be. This sort of effect would not be trivial to do, and could potentially run into many thousands of dollars for a VFX house to do, since it would probably involve rotoscoping, motion tracking, matte painting, and other (expensive) techniques to make it look halfway decent.

Even if it took "an extra hour or two max", which it wouldn't, we're talking about potentially dozens or hundreds of shots here, and that's just in the offline. No producer wants to spend $100,000 getting rid of some goddamn green paint on the ground when it c ...


Solution: point the camera in a direction where the green lane is not viable.  Alt. Solution:  Leave the damn bike lane in, who gives a fark. Maybe more cities will adopt green bike lanes after seeing them in movies and the problem is yet again solved.
 
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