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2013-04-02 10:17:02 PM
Perhaps maybe Austin could benefit from having a green bike lane. It might keep some of the Lance-Armstrong wannabes out of the road (not saying ALL bicyclers are Lance Armstrong douchebags, but some are).
 
2013-04-02 10:17:30 PM
I always found it stupid how L.A. for every farking city on the planet, even when it doesn't look a damn thing like Southern California.  California is used as a stand-in for everything from Appalachia to Korea to the Deep South to New York City.

It's kinda sad and pathetic how over-used they make L.A. as a stand-in for every place on Earth.
 
2013-04-02 10:18:13 PM

MrEricSir: Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.


Even a single protected east-west bike lane in my hometown would be a godsend.

/We just got pair of bike lanes through Center City a couple of years ago.
//Assholes park in them, and the cops to write tickets.
///And it's legal for anyone attending a "church service" to park in them
 
2013-04-02 10:18:51 PM

xcv: rmatthewware: Maybe they should start realizing LA isn't the only city on the world.

Isn't that the problem? Aren't Canada and Central/Eastern Europe are already common stand-ins for most of America cause the Hollywood progressives don't mind undermining American labor when it would lower their profit margin?


Someone dosen't understand how profit margins work
 
2013-04-02 10:19:04 PM

funmonger: We're not even cheap labour up here anymore. We're skilled and we have unmatched movie infrastructure, thanks in part to gov incentives.


You can't possibly have unmatched movie infrastructure - the Australian movie industry has. As well as Australian farmers being the most efficient in the world, Australian produce being the best quality in the world, Australian actors taking Hollywood by storm, Australian I.T. entrepeneurs invading Silicon Valley and showing the 'Yanks' how it's done, Australian manufacturing being the most innovative in the world, the Australian economy being the envy of the world, Australia being God's own country, Australia punches above its weight in this and Australia is better than anyone else at that, blah, blah , blah - every time I turn on the TV, the radio or read a newspaper. Oh, and at the same time I will hear things like Americans are overly patriotic and big-headed,

Little country syndrome.
 
2013-04-02 10:21:32 PM

MrEricSir: [img844.imageshack.us image 510x318]

Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.


We just got one of those on Dearborn in downtown Chicago.  It's goddamn fantastic.  Sadly, does not have the fantastic bike parking seen there.
 
2013-04-02 10:21:41 PM

Dougie AXP: titwrench: TaterTot_HotDish: ZAZ: I thought paint was too slippery for bicycles. There are plastic coatings, but they are expensive to cover an area as opposed to a line.

I've ridden on this kind of green paint (they're misinformed when they say 'it doesn't exist in any other city' - yes, it does, idiots), and it has sand or something added to it to give it some grit.  But it's still a bit slipperier than asphalt.

Also, this is an excellent example of entitled Hollywood assholes who thinks the world revolves around them and don't mind sacrificing some non-celebrity bicyclists if it keeps their movie budgets lower.

More like the entitled cyclists want the scenery to change to suit them. The Hollywood types want to keep everything the same. When they start to require cyclists to register their bikes and help contribute tax dollars to the maintenance of the roads then the cyclists can have some say as to how the roads are used until then shut the fark up and get out of the way.

I read TFA and didn't see anything about the city cyclists insisting on it. It read to me that the city painted the street to improve cyclist safety, the city saw a marked decrease in accidents and thus decided it was a good idea to re-paint it.


My cycle rage is not rational and is very knee jerk. I am the Pope of cyclist hate. When I go on a cycle rant I should be treated like a religious nut job.
 
2013-04-02 10:22:13 PM

ZAZ: I thought paint was too slippery for bicycles. There are plastic coatings, but they are expensive to cover an area as opposed to a line.


This.  You quickly learn that there are two things you ride straight across without braking when the road is wet:  Metal, and paint stripes.

If you're lucky, you don't have to wait for your collarbone to knit.  But one hell of a way to drive the lesson home.
 
2013-04-02 10:22:23 PM

Hollie Maea: These don't exist in any other city? Dumbasses have never been to Portland, apparently.


The Oregonian had an article about this topic today.
 
2013-04-02 10:23:23 PM

Dwight_Yeast: the original reason roads were paved with asphalt was for cyclists, not cars, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.


I learned something today, as I thought highway department used asphalt because of it was a cheaper petroleum-based bituminous-aggregate mixture, and it's easier to resurface concrete roadways with 1.5 inches of petroleum-based binder and surface courses.
/Thanks for the history lesson!
 
2013-04-02 10:23:52 PM
"Their concern: The bright color would be a distraction to viewers, doesn't belong in period movies and makes it harder for L.A. to do what it does best: play other cities. "

Who do these bungholes think they're kidding? Everyone knows that film crews go to places up north like Vancouver. I don't think any studio has filmed a movie set LA IN LA for decades!
 
2013-04-02 10:24:30 PM

kg2095: funmonger: We're not even cheap labour up here anymore. We're skilled and we have unmatched movie infrastructure, thanks in part to gov incentives.

You can't possibly have unmatched movie infrastructure - the Australian movie industry has. As well as Australian farmers being the most efficient in the world, Australian produce being the best quality in the world, Australian actors taking Hollywood by storm, Australian I.T. entrepeneurs invading Silicon Valley and showing the 'Yanks' how it's done, Australian manufacturing being the most innovative in the world, the Australian economy being the envy of the world, Australia being God's own country, Australia punches above its weight in this and Australia is better than anyone else at that, blah, blah , blah - every time I turn on the TV, the radio or read a newspaper. Oh, and at the same time I will hear things like Americans are overly patriotic and big-headed,

Little country syndrome.


That'll be New Zealand.  Well, orignally, until the Aussi's stole it  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzone
 
2013-04-02 10:25:20 PM

Kahabut: So it's like NYC then? No one drives, there is too much traffic.


Notwithstanding the Yogi Berra quote, NYC is one of the most walkable cities anywhere.  People from far away who have never been there (I'm not from NYC, but I've been there) need to STFD and STFU.
 
2013-04-02 10:26:24 PM

Osomatic: BarkingUnicorn: I'm no video expert.  Can't they do a little "green screen" special effects to get rid of that green bike lane?

Probably, but it's still a pain in the neck and even though it's cheaper these days, it's still an added expense.


Oh boo hoo hoo. Of course their concerns should override progress and the safety of the public!
 
2013-04-02 10:27:13 PM

farkingatwork: this is 100% bullshiat. Calling it out now.

Why? When they want something to look period, they throw town tarp that looks convincingly like whatever happens to be period and you'd never know. It's incredibly easy to hide the "look" of a flat green strip.

This is another "Hollywood doesn't like change if it doesn't benefit them because they're the equivalent of the old people who protest gay marriage".


Not true at all.  They do sometimes truck in dirt, if they're shooting something set in the 19th century, but anything that takes place after that takes place on asphalt.  And if they're shooting at night, DPs farking LOVE to have the streets hosed down.  Seriously, watch any movie filmed in the last 40 years and if they're a night scene in the city the streets are ALWAYS wet.
 
2013-04-02 10:28:17 PM
Their concern: The bright color would be a distraction to viewers, doesn't belong in period movies and makes it harder for L.A. to do what it does best: play other cities.

Why don't they just film those in black and white?

/or red?
 
2013-04-02 10:30:29 PM
A lot of anti-Hollywood haters in this thread. I'm sure you guys don't watch movies or TV and only get your entertainment from local theater and when the circus comes to town.
 
2013-04-02 10:34:59 PM

Dwight_Yeast: farkingatwork: this is 100% bullshiat. Calling it out now.

Why? When they want something to look period, they throw town tarp that looks convincingly like whatever happens to be period and you'd never know. It's incredibly easy to hide the "look" of a flat green strip.

This is another "Hollywood doesn't like change if it doesn't benefit them because they're the equivalent of the old people who protest gay marriage".

Not true at all.  They do sometimes truck in dirt, if they're shooting something set in the 19th century, but anything that takes place after that takes place on asphalt.  And if they're shooting at night, DPs farking LOVE to have the streets hosed down.  Seriously, watch any movie filmed in the last 40 years and if they're a night scene in the city the streets are ALWAYS wet.


The wet pavement thing is due to lighting.
 
2013-04-02 10:36:53 PM
Their concern: The bright color would be a distraction to viewers, doesn't belong in period movies and makes it harder for L.A. to do what it does best: play other cities.

Hey guys... BIKE LANES don't usually belong in period movies...

Get over it.
 
2013-04-02 10:39:07 PM

Dr.Zom: A lot of anti-Hollywood haters in this thread. I'm sure you guys don't watch movies or TV and only get your entertainment from local theater and when the circus comes to town.


I have cats.  They put on puppet shows for me.

/They're rehearsing Hamlet as I type this.
//I think Meowbert is miscast as the Danish prince.
 
2013-04-02 10:39:17 PM

Osomatic: BarkingUnicorn: I'm no video expert.  Can't they do a little "green screen" special effects to get rid of that green bike lane?

Probably, but it's still a pain in the neck and even though it's cheaper these days, it's still an added expense.


Also, the green is going to vary in color depending on the sunlight, reflections and shadows from one spot to another, and you start running into areas where it might not select, or something else in the frame gets screened out.

I still say fark these guys, but it's not super easy to remove it.
 
2013-04-02 10:40:17 PM
Just lay out a roll of some plasticky-type of material that has the color and texture of asphalt on camera. It should be reusable. Shoot your shot and then go roll it back up.

Hell, whatever it costs, the consumer will "gladly" pay for it anyway, whether it's a higher ticket price or jacked-up cable/satellite rates.
 
2013-04-02 10:40:31 PM

CipollinaFan: You should not bike in LA the air quality is not safe for exercise.
If you go somewhere you should drive.


That should help the pollution.
 
2013-04-02 10:42:56 PM

MrEricSir: [img844.imageshack.us image 510x318]

Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.

everything

/FTFY
//Miss me some European roundabouts and speed limits (or lack thereof)
 
2013-04-02 10:43:13 PM

xcv: rmatthewware: Maybe they should start realizing LA isn't the only city on the world.

Isn't that the problem? Aren't Canada and Central/Eastern Europe are already common stand-ins for most of America cause the Hollywood progressives don't mind undermining American labor when it would lower their profit margin?


It's not "undermining American labor", it's the fact that places like Canada give more tax breaks... Amazingly enough, someone outdoes the US in corporate welfare in one area...
 
2013-04-02 10:51:54 PM
You know what?  F*ck'em.  Paint the road.
 
2013-04-02 10:51:58 PM
Corporate welfare only works when a nation brings in enough ordinary tax revenue to maintain a respectable level of public services and infrastructure.

The United States, for reasons which would sicken me to describe, does not do that.
 
2013-04-02 10:52:43 PM

Superjew: TaterTot_HotDish: this is an excellent example of entitled Hollywood assholes who thinks the world revolves around them

No, it's an example of moviemakers who spend millions of dollars in the area by using it for location filming pointing out that the green paint obstructs that purpose.  Hyperbole much?


Sorry, there are parts of this city besides the 12 blocks in this story. they'll get over it. It's a classroom example of urban sprawl, I'm sure they can do the same in a different part of town.
 
2013-04-02 10:53:41 PM
Article says March 30. Perhaps an early April Fools joke, as it's the only way to explain the stupidity.
 
2013-04-02 10:54:12 PM

kg2095: funmonger: We're not even cheap labour up here anymore. We're skilled and we have unmatched movie infrastructure, thanks in part to gov incentives.

You can't possibly have unmatched movie infrastructure - the Australian movie industry has. As well as Australian farmers being the most efficient in the world, Australian produce being the best quality in the world, Australian actors taking Hollywood by storm, Australian I.T. entrepeneurs invading Silicon Valley and showing the 'Yanks' how it's done, Australian manufacturing being the most innovative in the world, the Australian economy being the envy of the world, Australia being God's own country, Australia punches above its weight in this and Australia is better than anyone else at that, blah, blah , blah - every time I turn on the TV, the radio or read a newspaper. Oh, and at the same time I will hear things like Americans are overly patriotic and big-headed,

Little country syndrome.


No, really. It is literally unmatched in soundstage size, and the a good many of the big films you watch are Meade here, at least in part.

Not sure what Little Country Syndrome is, but you sound fat.
 
2013-04-02 10:55:38 PM
Bike lanes. There are far more ways to do them wrong than to do them right. And urban planners seem to be intent in finding and implementing each and every one of those wrong ways.

/and then there are the movie guys...
 
2013-04-02 10:56:06 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Corporate welfare only works when a nation brings in enough ordinary tax revenue to maintain a respectable level of public services and infrastructure.

The United States, for reasons which would sicken me to describe, does not do that.


Citation needed on the three points you make, please.
 
2013-04-02 10:56:16 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Corporate welfare only works when a nation brings in enough ordinary tax revenue to maintain a respectable level of public services and infrastructure.

The United States, for reasons which would sicken me to describe, does not do that.


Good point.
 
2013-04-02 10:58:22 PM
Am I the only one here wondering why the scouts stopped scouting?
 
2013-04-02 10:59:23 PM

Tentacle: Am I the only one here wondering why the scouts stopped scouting?


Got all the badges.
 
2013-04-02 11:01:43 PM
memoryte.files.wordpress.com

Problem solved.

Or, maybe... just maybe... just spitballing here... movie makers could leave LA every once in a while. "Anywhere in the World" my ass.
 
2013-04-02 11:03:08 PM

MrEricSir: Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.

 
2013-04-02 11:04:01 PM

Surool: MrEricSir: Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.


Aren't you cute.
 
2013-04-02 11:05:26 PM

funmonger: kg2095: funmonger: We're not even cheap labour up here anymore. We're skilled and we have unmatched movie infrastructure, thanks in part to gov incentives.

You can't possibly have unmatched movie infrastructure - the Australian movie industry has. As well as Australian farmers being the most efficient in the world, Australian produce being the best quality in the world, Australian actors taking Hollywood by storm, Australian I.T. entrepeneurs invading Silicon Valley and showing the 'Yanks' how it's done, Australian manufacturing being the most innovative in the world, the Australian economy being the envy of the world, Australia being God's own country, Australia punches above its weight in this and Australia is better than anyone else at that, blah, blah , blah - every time I turn on the TV, the radio or read a newspaper. Oh, and at the same time I will hear things like Americans are overly patriotic and big-headed,

Little country syndrome.

No, really. It is literally unmatched in soundstage size, and the a good many of the big films you watch are Meade here, at least in part.

Not sure what Little Country Syndrome is, but you sound fat.


The "Steve McGarrett" character on Hawaii 5-0 is Australian. Not quite my type, but a handsome, likable representative of his nation / continent.

/book 'im, danno
 
2013-04-02 11:06:21 PM
TaterTot_HotDish:
Also, this is an excellent example of entitled Hollywood assholes who thinks the world revolves around them and don't mind sacrificing some non-celebrity bicyclists if it keeps their movie budgets lower.

Meanwhile, I hate entitled bicycling assholes who think the world revolves around them and don't mind ignoring traffic laws.

And a not so CSB: NYPD cars have been parked outside of my apartment all day. Who says they only film in Vancouver?
 
2013-04-02 11:10:13 PM

MrEricSir: [img844.imageshack.us image 510x318]

Copenhagen has grade/curb separated bike lanes with separate stoplights for bikes. Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.


Danes are also real jerks if a foeign pedestrian walks across a bike path.
 
2013-04-02 11:15:16 PM

Marine1: Surool: MrEricSir: Americans are horribly behind when it comes to this sort of thing.

Aren't you cute.


I've been told that, but if you're a dude, you're out of luck.
 
2013-04-02 11:15:29 PM

davidphogan: Dwight_Yeast: farkingatwork: this is 100% bullshiat. Calling it out now.

Why? When they want something to look period, they throw town tarp that looks convincingly like whatever happens to be period and you'd never know. It's incredibly easy to hide the "look" of a flat green strip.

This is another "Hollywood doesn't like change if it doesn't benefit them because they're the equivalent of the old people who protest gay marriage".

Not true at all.  They do sometimes truck in dirt, if they're shooting something set in the 19th century, but anything that takes place after that takes place on asphalt.  And if they're shooting at night, DPs farking LOVE to have the streets hosed down.  Seriously, watch any movie filmed in the last 40 years and if they're a night scene in the city the streets are ALWAYS wet.

The wet pavement thing is due to lighting.


No, they hose it down.  No way to fake that with lighting unless the lighting incidence is at a very low angle, less than a degree or two, so that it is near or beneath the angle of total reflection (very low for rough surfaces).
 
2013-04-02 11:18:32 PM

Osomatic: BarkingUnicorn: I'm no video expert.  Can't they do a little "green screen" special effects to get rid of that green bike lane?

Probably, but it's still a pain in the neck and even though it's cheaper these days, it's still an added expense.


I've taken 4 semesters of Adobe Premier/ After Effects classes in my IT track. I'm getting burned out on it, but for an experienced editor, we're talking an extra hour or two max taking care of something like this. Don't like the green lane? Add an adjustment layer, mask it out, apply color correction, and adjust the mask for the changes in the footage. That's it. With a few dozen people working on a project in an editing bay with some software they probably have on hand anyways and a halfway-decent rendering farm (or, hell, just a good set of graphics hardware in a single machine), this is taken care of before the directors finish lunch at the commissary.

LA (or for that matter, California) has far greater problems in keeping film/TV in town. Their tax rates have driven a good number of productions away. Breaking Bad was to be filmed in Riverside, CA; it was filmed in New Mexico instead due to tax credits. The rise of affordable editing software/computer hardware and decent DSLRs has also allowed people outside of the traditional system of film making to make much more elaborate productions without the corporate backing that a California studio would provide. A little bit of paint on pavement is nothing compared to that.
 
2013-04-02 11:19:09 PM

ZAZ: I thought paint was too slippery for bicycles. There are plastic coatings, but they are expensive to cover an area as opposed to a line.


If this is the same paint that they use to do lane markings than it IS extremely slick when wet. IIRC there was some talk of doing this in either San Mateo County or Santa Clara county and I gotta say, I'm not a fan.
When it's raining and I'm track standing on a lane marker (like for a cross walk) I always spin out when the light turns, always scares me.
 
2013-04-02 11:22:42 PM
Location scouts 2020: The city needs to paint the bike lanes green so they match the bike lanes in other cities. Leaving them the same color as the rest of the road makes it hard for LA to fill in for other cities.
 
2013-04-02 11:28:25 PM
No, we hose it down. We also truck in dirt; and pay extra for Fuller's earth. We hire social workers if we have kid models and pay police for road and crowd control. We pay studios to make logos to re-sign businesses, and rent props and clothing.

In short, we would have no issue painting a lane for a shot, then re-applying whatever they use. Sure it's more work, but it's no show stopper on top of all the other details that go into dressing a location.

And that's just on still shoots for a big three auto account. Strictly shoestring compared to movie budgets.
 
2013-04-02 11:28:28 PM
I'm thinking of a bit of advice I got about living longer...

Don't get involved with Eastern Europeans.
Don't ride a bicycle anywhere that may have motor vehicles.
Don't walk and talk on a cell phone at the same time.
 
2013-04-02 11:29:36 PM

SirHolo: davidphogan: Dwight_Yeast: farkingatwork: this is 100% bullshiat. Calling it out now.

Why? When they want something to look period, they throw town tarp that looks convincingly like whatever happens to be period and you'd never know. It's incredibly easy to hide the "look" of a flat green strip.

This is another "Hollywood doesn't like change if it doesn't benefit them because they're the equivalent of the old people who protest gay marriage".

Not true at all.  They do sometimes truck in dirt, if they're shooting something set in the 19th century, but anything that takes place after that takes place on asphalt.  And if they're shooting at night, DPs farking LOVE to have the streets hosed down.  Seriously, watch any movie filmed in the last 40 years and if they're a night scene in the city the streets are ALWAYS wet.

The wet pavement thing is due to lighting.

No, they hose it down.  No way to fake that with lighting unless the lighting incidence is at a very low angle, less than a degree or two, so that it is near or beneath the angle of total reflection (very low for rough surfaces).


I was posting from my phone and lazy.  I was agreeing with you, but adding that it's due to lighting reasons.  Wet pavement will reflect the soft light sources back up on the items in the foreground much more naturally than trying to put a second set of lights down facing up.  It screws up the shadows and stuff.  (I learned about it mostly when I was in college, it's been a while so I don't remember all the reasons.)

Grimm just filmed some scenes outside my house, and they had a special sprayer truck that looked like a piece of farm machinery drive by occasionally for all of the nighttime filming to spray down the street.
 
2013-04-02 11:32:05 PM

Surool: FTA:"...  and makes it harder for L.A. to do what it does best: play other cities. "

I don't think anyone believed that those palm trees were native to Cleveland, but you can keep telling yourselves you were doing a good job.


Yeah, but Cleveland makes a good NYC ... or Germany ... or any number of B-roll scenes from various films ...

Spiderman 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDc_IF_uCdg

The Avengers:

www.nypost.com
 
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