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2013-04-02 06:12:42 PM  
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.
 
2013-04-02 06:17:38 PM  
Arrested yes, but 45yrs? Murderers get less than that. I agree that what they did was wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of time that lady is facing.
 
2013-04-02 06:48:03 PM  
She cost the district hundreds of thousands in federal aid, all while collecting her massive bonus'.

She screwed a ton of kids. Sure, not on the usual teacher way, but still...

What would a bank robber who took that much cash get?
 
2013-04-02 07:07:53 PM  
They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.
 
2013-04-02 07:53:49 PM  

Earpj: She cost the district hundreds of thousands in federal aid, all while collecting her massive bonus'.

She screwed a ton of kids. Sure, not on the usual teacher way, but still...

What would a bank robber who took that much cash get?


A Vice President position.
 
2013-04-02 07:59:11 PM  

feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.


Nobody is suggesting any of those things, but it is nice to see you living up to your handle.
 
2013-04-02 08:06:19 PM  

violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.


nobody disagrees that this was against the law.
nobody disagrees that the teacher(s) involved should be punished.

thing is...we let bankers walk on laundering a LOT of money for drug cartels.  see, it sets up a very weird standard for 'justice'.  we're throwing teachers in jail over setting up a test scam, but we let rich bankers walk after laundering a shiat f*ck ton of drug money.  in effect, our society is saying drug use/abuse and money laundering is LESS a crime than this teacher scandal.
 
2013-04-02 08:07:33 PM  

violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.


Apparently you haven't seen the AIMS test here in Arizona, or what's going on in the classrooms to make these kids pass it. School has never been "fun" for any generation, but the kids going through the system now are sitting in torture chambers. Kids who aren't fluent in English get about 4.5 hours of ELL instruction and "Language Arts" a day plus math. No science, no social studies, no recess, except maybe the 15 minutes they get if they can scarf their monochrome-yellow lunch down in 10. No adult would put up with that. You would jump the wall or try to organize a bloody revolution. The kids have no choice.

I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.
 
2013-04-02 08:11:27 PM  
ecmoRandomNumbers:
I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.

i'm hoping this is merely the result of GOP stupidity and misconceptions rather than a coordinated plan to make next generation voters stupid.
 
2013-04-02 08:25:02 PM  

Weaver95: ecmoRandomNumbers:
I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.

i'm hoping this is merely the result of GOP stupidity and misconceptions rather than a coordinated plan to make next generation voters stupid.


It would take an evil genius to make this a true, evil conspiracy. It's really just about money.

Public funds are being diverted from schools to private companies. We spend a LOT of money on education and you can ask just about any teacher in any state where the money is going, and they'll give you three answers: 1) The district is top-heavy. More is spent on administration in some small districts than on teachers and paraprofessionals. More chiefs than Indians. This is usually the local board's fault, though. 2) Private tutors as required when a school goes into corrective action because they don't make AYP. 3) Testing. Pre-assessments, practice tests, reteaching, re-testing, re-testing, re-testing, and finally, again, testing. The state also has to pay to have those tests graded. By whom? Private companies. All these companies are constantly lobbying state representatives and school districts for preferential treatment.
 
2013-04-02 08:38:00 PM  
I love these threads

These kind of threads brings out the most batshiat insane (like me) and the most paranoid conspiracy theorists.

This thread hasnt hit Alex Jones Conspiracy levels yet, but it will.
 
2013-04-02 08:51:26 PM  
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2013-04-02 08:56:42 PM  

cman: I love these threads

These kind of threads brings out the most batshiat insane (like me) and the most paranoid conspiracy theorists.

This thread hasnt hit Alex Jones Conspiracy levels yet, but it will.


A simple rule for life is this: Cock up before conspiracy. People do not have the emotional memory, motivation, nor intellect to run decades long conspiracies. There are some examples (IBM, The Holy See, the Mafia, JFK) but normally our ability to see patterns overrules our ability to cut through bullshiat. Look at chemtrails or cloudships for a great example of people surrending to their brains ability to make stuff up.

So, cock-up before conspiracy. It explains everything, everytime.
 
2013-04-02 08:56:55 PM  

feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.


Plus, well, they all look black to me.

Make their bail 30 million.
 
2013-04-02 08:58:40 PM  
Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.
 
2013-04-02 09:02:48 PM  

johnryan51: Arrested yes, but 45yrs? Murderers get less than that. I agree that what they did was wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of time that lady is facing.


Where does it say 45 years?
 
2013-04-02 09:03:22 PM  
"Excessive bail shall not be required..."
- 8th Amendment, United States Constitution
 
2013-04-02 09:04:39 PM  
I'm still waiting to see Michelle Rhee take her walk over this stuff.  Her 'miraculous' early success years in Baltimore with Teach For America (which launched her into her DC years, as well as a decade-plus of grant-seeking and book-writing) don't, it turns out, have the slightest bit of evidence or corroboration.  Records just sorta, well, who knows where records go.
 
2013-04-02 09:05:10 PM  
Hang them all.
 
2013-04-02 09:05:52 PM  

feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.


Do you really believe that changing a few things on a piece of paper should get years in jail?
 
2013-04-02 09:07:09 PM  
All this cheating started when the democrats faked the moon landing.
 
2013-04-02 09:07:59 PM  

Weaver95: ecmoRandomNumbers:
I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.

i'm hoping this is merely the result of GOP stupidity and misconceptions rather than a coordinated plan to make next generation voters stupid.


WAD. The public education system has always had a money laundering aspect. Its certainly more important than the teaching. No need to go imagining conspiracies.
 
2013-04-02 09:08:07 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting.


Off-topic, but you'll like this. My nephew is a 15-year-old musician (trombonist) in Northern Arizona. As a matter of fact, he's got a jazz concert to perform at tonight in Kingman. Today, after school, I gave him my grandfather's 1943 Martin mandolin. He's mature enough to know that he wasn't ready to keep it in his room, so he asked me to hold on to it for him, until he's got a secure place to keep it. So y'all teachers (and his parents) are getting through to at least some of the kids you see everyday. Please keep it up. Thanks.
 
2013-04-02 09:10:59 PM  

violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.


Actually, all they did was fail to measure and report the effect of shiat properly.
 
2013-04-02 09:11:53 PM  
$1,000,000 - yes, a one and six zeroes - for standardized test cheating, and meanwhile the human waste,  Stevie Marie Anne Vigil, who straw purchased guns for Evan Ebel, is out on $25,000 bond.  An accomplice to murder, walking free for $25K.  The US justice system is seriously farked.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22917173/commerce-city-wom an -charged-ebel-straw-purchase-released
 
2013-04-02 09:14:09 PM  

Point02GPA: All this cheating started when the democrats faked the moon landing.


No no, it was when Pope Pius the IX slit Custer's throat and then blamed native americans.
 
2013-04-02 09:14:46 PM  
I think this headline cheated to get greenlighted. It's certainly not up to standards.
 
2013-04-02 09:14:54 PM  
At least they put the picture of the least un-cutest one first. Lowers the odds of needing eye bleach, stat.
 
2013-04-02 09:16:56 PM  
15 mug shots of corrupt educrats. 14 blacks, 1 asian. Just what I'd expect from the corrupt cesspool of black liberal racists that is Atlanta.
 
2013-04-02 09:16:57 PM  

jayhawk88: Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.


It's simple:  people punish those who betray their trust more than they punish people they never trusted.  Punishments are largely based upon how shocking the crime is.
 
2013-04-02 09:18:40 PM  
A street kid gets arrested, gonna do some time
He got out three years from now just to commit more crime
A businessman is caught with 24 kilos
He's out on bail and out of jail
And that's the way it goes
Raah!

/not obscure.
 
2013-04-02 09:18:52 PM  

Weaver95: violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.

nobody disagrees that this was against the law.
nobody disagrees that the teacher(s) involved should be punished.

thing is...we let bankers walk on laundering a LOT of money for drug cartels.  see, it sets up a very weird standard for 'justice'.  we're throwing teachers in jail over setting up a test scam, but we let rich bankers walk after laundering a shiat f*ck ton of drug money.  in effect, our society is saying drug use/abuse and money laundering is LESS a crime than this teacher scandal.


Which is why I can't stand mandatory minimum sentencing. It's a travesty of justice.
 
2013-04-02 09:19:23 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Do you really believe that changing a few things on a piece of paper should get years in jail?


Depending on what, why, and how they changed, yes.
If found guilty.

Faking bank statements, faking police reports, faking building inspections....all just pieces of paper, right?
 
2013-04-02 09:19:59 PM  
So?

And crooks run Washington DC, with ALL our farking money. And so what?

Wake me up when I'm not getting farked in the ass. Then it'll be a farking surprise.
 
2013-04-02 09:20:45 PM  
Taken from the NEA quote page on teachers (http://www.nea.org/grants/17417.htm )

  "A teacher affects eternity; he can never tell where his influence stops."

 "Teachers, I believe, are the most responsible and important members of society because their professional efforts affect the fate of the earth."

 "Above all things I hope the education of the common people will be attended to; convinced that on their good sense we may rely with most security for the preservation of a due degree of liberty."

 "There is an old saying that the course of civilization is a race between catastrophe and education. In a democracy such as ours, we must make sure that education wins the race."

 "The future of the world is in my classroom today, a future with the potential for good or bad... Several future presidents are learning from me today; so are the great writers of the next decades, and so are all the so-called ordinary people who will make the decisions in a democracy. I must never forget these same young people could be the thieves and murderers of the future. Only a teacher? Thank God I have a calling to the greatest profession of all! I must be vigilant every day, lest I lose one fragile opportunity to improve tomorrow."

If teachers are as goshdarned special as they keep insisting they are, and their profession so goshdarned sacred, well then, it stands to reason they should get some special treatment :).
 
2013-04-02 09:21:48 PM  

Void_Beavis: Weaver95: violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.

nobody disagrees that this was against the law.
nobody disagrees that the teacher(s) involved should be punished.

thing is...we let bankers walk on laundering a LOT of money for drug cartels.  see, it sets up a very weird standard for 'justice'.  we're throwing teachers in jail over setting up a test scam, but we let rich bankers walk after laundering a shiat f*ck ton of drug money.  in effect, our society is saying drug use/abuse and money laundering is LESS a crime than this teacher scandal.

Which is why I can't stand mandatory minimum sentencing. It's a travesty of justice.


You don't want mandatory minimums for bankers?
 
2013-04-02 09:21:58 PM  

Acharne: Point02GPA: All this cheating started when the democrats faked the moon landing.

No no, it was when Pope Pius the IX slit Custer's throat and then blamed native americans.


My bad, but now you know how I got my Login.
 
2013-04-02 09:25:57 PM  
That same shiat happens in Norfolk, VA and nobody goes to jail.

/come to Virginia if you want to cheat
 
2013-04-02 09:26:49 PM  

jayhawk88: Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.


I agree. And it breaks my heart that we have millions of firearms owners in teh USA that do nothing about Wall Street piracy, corporate scandals and WashDC shenanigans that we read about almost every damn week. I realized long ago that people in this country will tolerate anything. It makes me ashamed.
 
2013-04-02 09:30:05 PM  

jayhawk88: Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.


Well why hasn't 0bama and holder charged anyone for the meltdown? Maybe because they either didn't do anything illegal or there is no proof.

This teacher screwed a lot of kids. Apparently one of the parents who started the investigation couldn't understand why her kid who could barely read got a really high score on the test. The kid actually believed that she could read based on that.
 
2013-04-02 09:32:01 PM  

sevenpointsixtwo: $1,000,000 - yes, a one and six zeroes - for standardized test cheating, and meanwhile the human waste,  Stevie Marie Anne Vigil, who straw purchased guns for Evan Ebel, is out on $25,000 bond.  An accomplice to murder, walking free for $25K.  The US justice system is seriously farked.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22917173/commerce-city-wom an -charged-ebel-straw-purchase-released


You do understand that what's "excessive bail" for one may not be for another, right?  That 8th Amendment thing.  Also, the potential punishment is a factor in setting bail.  I'd be more likely to run if I faced up to 45 years instead of the maximum 16 that this woman faces.
 
2013-04-02 09:32:16 PM  

Knucklepopper: johnryan51: Arrested yes, but 45yrs? Murderers get less than that. I agree that what they did was wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of time that lady is facing.

Where does it say 45 years?



From another article:

All 35 educators face racketeering charges. The maximum sentence could be 20 years in prison.
 
2013-04-02 09:38:39 PM  

northgrave: Knucklepopper: johnryan51: Arrested yes, but 45yrs? Murderers get less than that. I agree that what they did was wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of time that lady is facing.

Where does it say 45 years?


From another article:

All 35 educators face racketeering charges. The maximum sentence could be 20 years in prison.


Ah, well, 20 years is steep but that's just the sentencing guidelines. Doubtful they'll do 20.
 
2013-04-02 09:44:23 PM  
Launder billions in drug money?

Hundreds of billions, subby.  Hundreds of billions.  I genuinely do not understand how any American could possibly respect the US justice system.  Yes, these test rigging people should go to jail, but when the cartels and their Wall Street enablers get less of a punishment than the addict who uses their product, there's a huge problem.
 
2013-04-02 09:44:37 PM  
Ya know, they were dealing with tons and tons of dopes.
 
2013-04-02 09:49:21 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.

Apparently you haven't seen the AIMS test here in Arizona, or what's going on in the classrooms to make these kids pass it. School has never been "fun" for any generation, but the kids going through the system now are sitting in torture chambers. Kids who aren't fluent in English get about 4.5 hours of ELL instruction and "Language Arts" a day plus math. No science, no social studies, no recess, except maybe the 15 minutes they get if they can scarf their monochrome-yellow lunch down in 10. No adult would put up with that. You would jump the wall or try to organize a bloody revolution. The kids have no choice.

I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.


Well..isn't it their own fault that they can't speak English and need an extra 4.5 hours of instruction a day?
 
2013-04-02 09:49:35 PM  
#2...holy mother of jesus

content.internetvideoarchive.com
 
2013-04-02 09:52:41 PM  
And don't forget that this is going on their permanent records too.
 
2013-04-02 09:53:50 PM  
Ha ha! Only one of em isn't black.

/lemme get the popcorn...
 
2013-04-02 09:58:13 PM  
My question is why did any of them talk?

I mean just shut up when cops ask you questions and refuse to answer.
 
2013-04-02 10:00:01 PM  
uhh...are you implying the law isn't equal??


/say it ain't so
 
2013-04-02 10:00:56 PM  

TheTurtle: "Excessive bail shall not be required..."
- 8th Amendment, United States Constitution


"Psh..."

-Ed Bassmaster
 
2013-04-02 10:12:48 PM  
Its always easy to go after the weak and powerless.  Some guy laundering money might have a DA and his wife, or a assistant DA killed in a hail of bullets.  Teachers are a safe target.
 
2013-04-02 10:15:59 PM  
Isn't money laundering a "victimless crime"

Surely more victimless than drug use where a junkie might kill someone and rob them for their next fix...and we don't want to punish drug users...right?.
 
2013-04-02 10:17:26 PM  
I chuckle at these public school threads.  I went to private school and so do my kids.  The difference is astonishing.
 
2013-04-02 10:20:04 PM  

DarwiOdrade: feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.

Nobody is suggesting any of those things, but it is nice to see you living up to your handle.


You seem like a simpleton.
 
2013-04-02 10:22:08 PM  

Warlordtrooper: feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.

Do you really believe that changing a few things on a piece of paper should get years in jail?


Where did I say that? I said they should be arrested and tried like anyone else accused of a crime. Do you think that if convicted they will get more than probation? I don't think so. But they still should be charged, arrested and tried like everyone else. Subby acts as if nobody is ever arrested except billion dollar money launderers and standardized test cheaters.
 
2013-04-02 10:26:45 PM  

johnryan51: Arrested yes, but 45yrs? Murderers get less than that. I agree that what they did was wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of time that lady is facing.


I'm not. These teachers did more than merely forge some tests and take some money. They totally blew wide open the whole retarded scam known as "No Child Left Behind" and SATs. The Powers That Be don't like to have their schemes exposed. Not one bit.
 
2013-04-02 10:27:53 PM  

cman: I love these threads

These kind of threads brings out the most batshiat insane (like me) and the most paranoid conspiracy theorists.

This thread hasnt hit Alex Jones Conspiracy levels yet, but it will.


It's neither theory nor conspiracy.  It's greed and prejudice and business as usual.  A little bigotry, a little elitism, a little belief that private industry truly is magical, and a little greed for those tasty public dollars means any shot that hurts public schools is a shot towards making some scratch or hurting the "inferior" citizens who need to shut up and get back in the sweatshops anyway.
 
2013-04-02 10:30:18 PM  
Another fine group of union employees
 
2013-04-02 10:31:20 PM  
Keep in mind that they spend over $15,000/kid in the Atlanta public schools.  For a class of 20 kids, that's over $300,000/classroom/year.

Granted, the bail numbers are rediculous and the bankers should be sharing cells with them.
 
2013-04-02 10:40:49 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Earpj: She cost the district hundreds of thousands in federal aid, all while collecting her massive bonus'.

She screwed a ton of kids. Sure, not on the usual teacher way, but still...

What would a bank robber who took that much cash get?

A Vice President position.


Bank VP or VPOTUS?
 
2013-04-02 10:56:10 PM  

Weaver95: violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.

nobody disagrees that this was against the law.
nobody disagrees that the teacher(s) involved should be punished.

thing is...we let bankers walk on laundering a LOT of money for drug cartels.  see, it sets up a very weird standard for 'justice'.  we're throwing teachers in jail over setting up a test scam, but we let rich bankers walk after laundering a shiat f*ck ton of drug money.  in effect, our society is saying drug use/abuse and money laundering is LESS a crime than this teacher scandal.


Have you noticed that the 'Occupy Wallstreet' crowd who pushed for bankers to be punished have been more than marginalized for the past 6 years that Obama has been President? Where's the outrage? Where's the coverage?
 
2013-04-02 11:03:38 PM  
Ready?   As soon as something becomes primarily about money, the thing it is purported to be about is the thing it used to be about.
 
2013-04-02 11:03:56 PM  
Not News: Ambitious, overpaid, showboating local DA slurps up headlines going after beleaguered schoolteachers for what everyone SAID "No Child Left Behind" would lead to.
 
2013-04-02 11:05:08 PM  

bunner: Ready?   As soon as something becomes primarily about money, the thing it is purported to be about is the thing it used to be about.


I like you. One more like that and I'll add you to Favs.
 
2013-04-02 11:17:55 PM  

feckingmorons: DarwiOdrade: feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.

Nobody is suggesting any of those things, but it is nice to see you living up to your handle.

You seem like a simpleton.


How cute. Now run along and play while the adults talk.
 
2013-04-02 11:23:01 PM  
Yes...............the poor victimized teachers. I wonder how many of them have those BS phd's from agriculture & mechanical swamp college yet insist upon being called doctor. Oh no, the poor lambs got called on their shenanigans. They are being treated like people in the real world.......no union to protect you.......facts will set your future. No more extended vacation. No more days off for conferences. No more union benefits. Buy bye,,,,
 
2013-04-02 11:23:27 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.


Since we seem so keen on trying to replicate every other country in terms of healthcare... To the detriment of our own people.

Perhaps we should seem keen on trying to replicate every other country in terms of education... They're obviously doing something right.

And the teachers would be the first to scream "No!" if we tried by the way.
 
2013-04-02 11:25:04 PM  

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2013-04-02 11:28:56 PM  
tenpoundsofcheese
jayhawk88: Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.

Well why hasn't 0bama and holder charged anyone for the meltdown? Maybe because they either didn't do anything illegal or there is no proof.


Haven't been paying attention, huh? How it works is this: Buy your lobbying muscle and keep passing around the swinging door (regulator one week/Head of the Treasury the next), Call for deregulation (really, it is just re-regulation to suit the purposes of those in the know), always be too big to fail. So, the Gov. that isn't in the pockets of the profiteers is so afraid of farking the system, totally, by going for the guillotines, simply allows all the players to write checks for the laundering & meltdown like clueless scofflaws (remember, always deny personal responsibility, always pay the fines and - with a bit of luck - and with the taxpayers still carrying the socialized risk portion of the `product' - those fines won't impact the next quarter's report. - Risk is still socialized, by the way).

Launderers were basically a subset of the TBTfarkill BOA? The horror!!) that is exactly why Lanny Brueur at Justice coontil recently) collected fines like he was selling indulgences, and otherwise kept his yap shut.

/none of the losers referenced in the headline are anything but greedy filth
 
2013-04-02 11:30:27 PM  
Everybody in education could use more humility:  lawmakers, school boards, superintendents, principals, teachers, parents, and students.  The know-it-all attitude is what's killing us.
 
2013-04-02 11:39:21 PM  

feckingmorons: Are you suggesting


Big to small, fecking, big to small.

You don't arrest the town drunk for having an open bottle when there's a murderer running around with a shotgun on main street.

You don't bother investigating millions of dollars in fraud until the farker who're committing BILLIONS in fraud are put in jail first.

That's how a rational person approaches problems. Legal training removes rationality and replaces is with what you can get away with using sophistry. It's Lawful Evil.
 
2013-04-02 11:44:14 PM  

jayhawk88: Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.


The bankers can afford much better lawyers.
 
2013-04-02 11:45:12 PM  
Gotta keep up the demand for those prisons.
s24.postimg.org
Because
1. those with lack of critical thinking skills (rednecks, scared-cat conservatives) will vote for those "law'n'ordah" politicians, in spite of how they bankrupting the nation building all those prisons.
2. "Correction Services" are all about revenge and not actual correction.
 
2013-04-02 11:47:32 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: The bankers can afford much better lawyers.


Because they stole enough money to pay for them.

Hence why we should be arresting their lawyers too.
 
2013-04-02 11:59:35 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Weaver95: ecmoRandomNumbers:
I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.

i'm hoping this is merely the result of GOP stupidity and misconceptions rather than a coordinated plan to make next generation voters stupid.

It would take an evil genius to make this a true, evil conspiracy. It's really just about money.

Public funds are being diverted from schools to private companies. We spend a LOT of money on education and you can ask just about any teacher in any state where the money is going, and they'll give you three answers: 1) The district is top-heavy. More is spent on administration in some small districts than on teachers and paraprofessionals. More chiefs than Indians. This is usually the local board's fault, though. 2) Private tutors as required when a school goes into corrective action because they don't make AYP. 3) Testing. Pre-assessments, practice tests, reteaching, re-testing, re-testing, re-testing, and finally, again, testing. The state also has to pay to have those tests graded. By whom? Private companies. All these companies are constantly lobbying state representatives and school districts for preferential treatment.


To be fair, teachers aren't exactly unbiased in this debate. Many do not want to be accountable.  Take the Chicago teachers union for example.  Some of the highest paid in the country with some of the worst performing students.  They went on strike over this.  They didn't want student performance to be tied to their evaluations (which were universally high). Also, the statement that preparing for the exams takes away from essential studies is untrue as the exams are aligned with the curriculum. What is on the tests are what has been deemed essential by the school districts.

There needs to be some metric to gauge school/teacher performance and student growth in core academic areas is a reasonable starting point.  Standardized testing is the one best way to get at this  The question is, how much testing and how much emphasis? NCLB requirements were onerous and the punishments for failing to meet goals could be harsh.   Going forward, the bar will be set a little lower with much less emphasis on punishment for schools not meeting standards.  Another positive trend is a shift away from college preparedness for everyone and a renewed emphasis on career readiness for those that want to go that route.
 
2013-04-03 12:07:32 AM  

MichiganFTL: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 580x480]


I would LOVE to think about the children as you request, but my psychiatrist says that If I keep doing that, they are going to come arrest me.
 
2013-04-03 12:08:05 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Gotta keep up the demand for those prisons.
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Because
1. those with lack of critical thinking skills (rednecks, scared-cat conservatives) will vote for those "law'n'ordah" politicians, in spite of how they bankrupting the nation building all those prisons.
2. "Correction Services" are all about revenge and not actual correction.


We didn't win the cold war - we traded food, decent clothes and shoes that fit for their play book.
 
2013-04-03 12:12:58 AM  

Weaver95: our society is saying drug use/abuse and money laundering is LESS a crime than this teacher scandal.


The fact that you have to explain this headline makes me sad.
 
2013-04-03 12:22:44 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: You don't want mandatory minimums for bankers?


The bankers weren't even prosecuted, despite being caught red handed laundering huge sums of money for drug cartels and terrorist organizations.
 
2013-04-03 12:24:19 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: To be fair, teachers aren't exactly unbiased in this debate. Many do not want to be accountable.   Take the Chicago teachers union for example.  Some of the highest paid in the country with some of the worst performing studentsThey went on strike over this.  They didn't want student performance to be tied to their evaluations (which were universally high). Also, the statement that preparing for the exams takes away from essential studies is untrue as the exams are aligned with the curriculum. What is on the tests are what has been deemed essential by the school districts.

There needs to be some metric to gauge school/teacher performance and student growth in core academic areas is a reasonable starting point.  Standardized testing is the one best way to get at this  The question is, how much testing and how much emphasis? NCLB requirements were onerous and the punishments for failing to meet goals could be harsh.   Going forward, the bar will be set a little lower with much less emphasis on punishment for schools not meeting standards.  Another positive trend is a shift away from college preparedness for everyone and a renewed emphasis on career readiness for those that want to go that route.


Of course they did.  Ever seen the inside of a Chicago public school?  Hell, ever been to a tough neighborhood in Chicago?  It's like a farking war zone.  Damn right they don't want test scores tied to their career security.  Can you blame them?  90% of the shiat keeping those kids from learning has NOTHING to do with the teachers.
 
2013-04-03 12:25:27 AM  

Warlordtrooper: feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.

Do you really believe that changing a few things on a piece of paper should get years in jail?


shiatty argument. Banks make their money by changing a few things on paper too. Or do you believe they shouldn't be held accountable as well?
 
2013-04-03 12:28:24 AM  

jayhawk88: Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.


Stealing from the people vs. stealing from the government. Of course the government is outraged, they crossed the line. Government coffers are sacred, they stole that wealth fair and square.
 
2013-04-03 12:33:32 AM  
For those of you who don't keep up with recent events...

The deal was announced quietly, just before the holidays, almost like the government was hoping people were too busy hanging stockings by the fireplace to notice. Flooring politicians, lawyers and investigators all over the world, the U.S. Justice Department granted a total walk to executives of the British-based bank HSBC for the largest drug-and-terrorism money-laundering case ever. Yes, they issued a fine - $1.9 billion, or about five weeks' profit - but they didn't extract so much as one dollar or one day in jail from any individual, despite a decade of stupefying abuses.

For at least half a decade, the storied British colonial banking power helped to wash hundreds of millions of dollars for drug mobs, including Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel, suspected in tens of thousands of murders just in the past 10 years - people so totally evil, jokes former New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, that "they make the guys on Wall Street look good." The bank also moved money for organizations linked to Al Qaeda and Hezbollah, and for Russian gangsters; helped countries like Iran, the Sudan and North Korea evade sanctions; and, in between helping murderers and terrorists and rogue states, aided countless common tax cheats in hiding their cash.

"They violated every goddamn law in the book," says Jack Blum, an attorney and former Senate investigator who headed a major bribery investigation against Lockheed in the 1970s that led to the passage of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. "They took every imaginable form of illegal and illicit business."

That nobody from the bank went to jail or paid a dollar in individual fines is nothing new in this era of financial crisis. What is different about this settlement is that the Justice Department, for the first time, admitted why it decided to go soft on this particular kind of criminal. It was worried that anything more than a wrist slap for HSBC might undermine the world economy. "Had the U.S. authorities decided to press criminal charges," said Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer at a press conference to announce the settlement, "HSBC would almost certainly have lost its banking license in the U.S., the future of the institution would have been under threat and the entire banking system would have been destabilized."


Thanks Obama "Justice" Department
 
2013-04-03 12:38:44 AM  

Weaver95: violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.

nobody disagrees that this was against the law.
nobody disagrees that the teacher(s) involved should be punished.

thing is...we let bankers walk on laundering a LOT of money for drug cartels.  see, it sets up a very weird standard for 'justice'.  we're throwing teachers in jail over setting up a test scam, but we let rich bankers walk after laundering a shiat f*ck ton of drug money.  in effect, our society is saying drug use/abuse and money laundering is LESS a crime than this teacher scandal.


? Personally I thought you'd got this one already, crimes against a LOT of people are not crimes, how else could we excuse the who knows how many deaths that resulted from the theft of what 6 trillion dollars, or the murder of what 1 million 1.5 million Iraqis

but sandyhook!

think of the children so long as they are white americans
 
2013-04-03 12:41:16 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Gotta keep up the demand for those prisons.
[s24.postimg.org image 674x466]
Because
1. those with lack of critical thinking skills (rednecks, scared-cat conservatives) will vote for those "law'n'ordah" politicians, in spite of how they bankrupting the nation building all those prisons.
2. "Correction Services" are all about revenge and not actual correction.


That table is based misleading.  Those are numbers per 100k.  So, the percentage of imprisoned for all those listed is less than 1% of the population.  Looking at it that way, there are no meaningful differences in the incarceration rates of those countries.  An actual statistical test of proportions would likely back that up.
 
2013-04-03 12:55:16 AM  
Here is little Traiyakika, a young black girl who has just gotten a perfect school on her standardized test.  Yes, Traiyakika goes to public school in Atlanta.  She is very smart.  So tell us Traiyakika, what was the name of the event in the United States were people fought to end slavery.

"Um, it was the silverware".

Traikakika should have no problem getting into an ivy league school and seeing all the idiots that have recently graduated from them, she should fit in just fine.

Yes, black educators helping black kids, it doesn't get any uglier than this.
 
2013-04-03 12:57:50 AM  

mrlewish: My question is why did any of them talk?

I mean just shut up when cops ask you questions and refuse to answer.


www.amctv.com
 
2013-04-03 12:58:21 AM  
To prevent this, teachers should have to pass a test on cheating before being allowed to teach.


Okay, but seriously, a 7.5 million bond? A 1 million bond? For this? Even if she is a flight risk - is she in serious danger of being a reoffender? I mean come the fark on.
 
2013-04-03 01:28:13 AM  
Lower the bar.

Lower the bar.

Lower the bar.
 
2013-04-03 01:30:46 AM  

starsrift: To prevent this, teachers should have to pass a test on cheating before being allowed to teach.


Okay, but seriously, a 7.5 million bond? A 1 million bond? For this? Even if she is a flight risk - is she in serious danger of being a reoffender? I mean come the fark on.


lock her farking @$$ up
 
2013-04-03 02:17:54 AM  
www.lileks.com
 Well, Warden, looks like we'll have to use "Old Sparky". Some folks would consider hangin' to be "racist", you know ...
 
2013-04-03 03:21:50 AM  
Don't Fark with one of the Bush Crime Family's big money makers.
 
2013-04-03 06:18:11 AM  
Look at those mugshots. LOOK AT THEM.  Shoop them. Caption them. MOCK THEM......I've never seen a more scurrilous-looking bunch of con artists in my life...
 
2013-04-03 07:39:44 AM  
www.biography.com
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a country where they are not judged by the color of their skin, but by their scores on standardized tests.
 
2013-04-03 08:07:45 AM  
Atlantas' new motto should be "Our kids be stoopid".
 
2013-04-03 08:35:10 AM  
They committed fraud for personal gain. fek'em.
It is dumb to say that we shouldn't arrest them because we didn't arrest someone else for something else.
 
2013-04-03 09:39:01 AM  
Shouldn't you have to read the article you are submitting before it gets a greenlight? I can't find the drug launderers anywhere in the article
 
2013-04-03 10:07:22 AM  

feckingmorons: Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.


violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.


Or, maybe the standardized test thing works... if you don't teach students anything useful, and instead teach them to be worthless mcdonalds test takers.  Can you squirt mayo on a burger, kid?

Maybe the teachers didn't know how to actually teach students AND make them pass standardized tests, so they spent their time teaching and just faked the stupid tests.
 
2013-04-03 10:51:12 AM  
Ugh, education is such a mess in this country, which is why I'm never having kids. Teachers should be paid like doctors and lawyers, then held accountable to professional standards similar to doctors and lawyers. Continuing education, ethical guidelines, etc. Of course, the parallels aren't exact - customers don't usually have a choice in teachers, but then, teachers don't have to take out malpractice insurance.

But still, treating a teacher with professional respect and appreciation for their chosen career, instead of as an interchangeable cog dispensing prepackaged "knowledge" and autocratic "discipline" would go a long way towards improving classroom instruction in this country. And it would eliminate crap like "teaching the test" and these incredibly expensive and bullshiat tutoring programs. Yes, a teacher must be held accountable, but this rigid, formula-based performance evaluation is not only unworkable, it's demeaning.

But fark those guys at HSBC, too - every one of 'em should've been doing 20 years and forfeiting all of their assets.
 
2013-04-03 11:11:09 AM  

Warlordtrooper: feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.

Do you really believe that changing a few things on a piece of paper should get years in jail?


So you don't care that the bankers got away with it. You just think teachers should be able to cheat without consequenses too. How about no.
 
2013-04-03 01:54:43 PM  

DarwiOdrade: feckingmorons: DarwiOdrade: feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.

Nobody is suggesting any of those things, but it is nice to see you living up to your handle.

You seem like a simpleton.

How cute. Now run along and play while the adults talk.


Your parents must be pleased they raised a child with so much.... well something I'm sure. It is not the ability to have a well reasoned discussion.

I'll let you go now, the guy at the counter wants no salt on his fries so you'll have to drop a new basket.
 
2013-04-03 04:09:23 PM  
The maximum penalty available under the law should be applied to international drug money launderers.

The penalties recently levied against HSBC about a month's worth of income and no jail time.

Therefore all lesser crimes should simply incur a fine of that amount or less.
 
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