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2013-04-02 06:12:42 PM
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.
 
2013-04-02 06:17:38 PM
Arrested yes, but 45yrs? Murderers get less than that. I agree that what they did was wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of time that lady is facing.
 
2013-04-02 06:48:03 PM
She cost the district hundreds of thousands in federal aid, all while collecting her massive bonus'.

She screwed a ton of kids. Sure, not on the usual teacher way, but still...

What would a bank robber who took that much cash get?
 
2013-04-02 07:07:53 PM
They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.
 
2013-04-02 07:53:49 PM

Earpj: She cost the district hundreds of thousands in federal aid, all while collecting her massive bonus'.

She screwed a ton of kids. Sure, not on the usual teacher way, but still...

What would a bank robber who took that much cash get?


A Vice President position.
 
2013-04-02 07:59:11 PM

feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.


Nobody is suggesting any of those things, but it is nice to see you living up to your handle.
 
2013-04-02 08:06:19 PM

violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.


nobody disagrees that this was against the law.
nobody disagrees that the teacher(s) involved should be punished.

thing is...we let bankers walk on laundering a LOT of money for drug cartels.  see, it sets up a very weird standard for 'justice'.  we're throwing teachers in jail over setting up a test scam, but we let rich bankers walk after laundering a shiat f*ck ton of drug money.  in effect, our society is saying drug use/abuse and money laundering is LESS a crime than this teacher scandal.
 
2013-04-02 08:07:33 PM

violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.


Apparently you haven't seen the AIMS test here in Arizona, or what's going on in the classrooms to make these kids pass it. School has never been "fun" for any generation, but the kids going through the system now are sitting in torture chambers. Kids who aren't fluent in English get about 4.5 hours of ELL instruction and "Language Arts" a day plus math. No science, no social studies, no recess, except maybe the 15 minutes they get if they can scarf their monochrome-yellow lunch down in 10. No adult would put up with that. You would jump the wall or try to organize a bloody revolution. The kids have no choice.

I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.
 
2013-04-02 08:11:27 PM
ecmoRandomNumbers:
I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.

i'm hoping this is merely the result of GOP stupidity and misconceptions rather than a coordinated plan to make next generation voters stupid.
 
2013-04-02 08:25:02 PM

Weaver95: ecmoRandomNumbers:
I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.

i'm hoping this is merely the result of GOP stupidity and misconceptions rather than a coordinated plan to make next generation voters stupid.


It would take an evil genius to make this a true, evil conspiracy. It's really just about money.

Public funds are being diverted from schools to private companies. We spend a LOT of money on education and you can ask just about any teacher in any state where the money is going, and they'll give you three answers: 1) The district is top-heavy. More is spent on administration in some small districts than on teachers and paraprofessionals. More chiefs than Indians. This is usually the local board's fault, though. 2) Private tutors as required when a school goes into corrective action because they don't make AYP. 3) Testing. Pre-assessments, practice tests, reteaching, re-testing, re-testing, re-testing, and finally, again, testing. The state also has to pay to have those tests graded. By whom? Private companies. All these companies are constantly lobbying state representatives and school districts for preferential treatment.
 
2013-04-02 08:38:00 PM
I love these threads

These kind of threads brings out the most batshiat insane (like me) and the most paranoid conspiracy theorists.

This thread hasnt hit Alex Jones Conspiracy levels yet, but it will.
 
2013-04-02 08:51:26 PM
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2013-04-02 08:56:42 PM

cman: I love these threads

These kind of threads brings out the most batshiat insane (like me) and the most paranoid conspiracy theorists.

This thread hasnt hit Alex Jones Conspiracy levels yet, but it will.


A simple rule for life is this: Cock up before conspiracy. People do not have the emotional memory, motivation, nor intellect to run decades long conspiracies. There are some examples (IBM, The Holy See, the Mafia, JFK) but normally our ability to see patterns overrules our ability to cut through bullshiat. Look at chemtrails or cloudships for a great example of people surrending to their brains ability to make stuff up.

So, cock-up before conspiracy. It explains everything, everytime.
 
2013-04-02 08:56:55 PM

feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.


Plus, well, they all look black to me.

Make their bail 30 million.
 
2013-04-02 08:58:40 PM
Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.
 
2013-04-02 09:02:48 PM

johnryan51: Arrested yes, but 45yrs? Murderers get less than that. I agree that what they did was wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of time that lady is facing.


Where does it say 45 years?
 
2013-04-02 09:03:22 PM
"Excessive bail shall not be required..."
- 8th Amendment, United States Constitution
 
2013-04-02 09:04:39 PM
I'm still waiting to see Michelle Rhee take her walk over this stuff.  Her 'miraculous' early success years in Baltimore with Teach For America (which launched her into her DC years, as well as a decade-plus of grant-seeking and book-writing) don't, it turns out, have the slightest bit of evidence or corroboration.  Records just sorta, well, who knows where records go.
 
2013-04-02 09:05:10 PM
Hang them all.
 
2013-04-02 09:05:52 PM

feckingmorons: Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they didn't launder money?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because they are teachers and administrators?
Are you suggesting that those who are accused of breaking the law shouldn't be arrested simply because it was a conspiracy and they acted in concert so they are not individually responsible.

Their actions as alleged in the charging documents are illegal, unethical and done solely for personal gain - for bonuses, for promotions, for job security. They should be arrested and tried just like anyone else who is accused of committing a crime.


Do you really believe that changing a few things on a piece of paper should get years in jail?
 
2013-04-02 09:07:09 PM
All this cheating started when the democrats faked the moon landing.
 
2013-04-02 09:07:59 PM

Weaver95: ecmoRandomNumbers:
I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.

i'm hoping this is merely the result of GOP stupidity and misconceptions rather than a coordinated plan to make next generation voters stupid.


WAD. The public education system has always had a money laundering aspect. Its certainly more important than the teaching. No need to go imagining conspiracies.
 
2013-04-02 09:08:07 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting.


Off-topic, but you'll like this. My nephew is a 15-year-old musician (trombonist) in Northern Arizona. As a matter of fact, he's got a jazz concert to perform at tonight in Kingman. Today, after school, I gave him my grandfather's 1943 Martin mandolin. He's mature enough to know that he wasn't ready to keep it in his room, so he asked me to hold on to it for him, until he's got a secure place to keep it. So y'all teachers (and his parents) are getting through to at least some of the kids you see everyday. Please keep it up. Thanks.
 
2013-04-02 09:10:59 PM

violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.


Actually, all they did was fail to measure and report the effect of shiat properly.
 
2013-04-02 09:11:53 PM
$1,000,000 - yes, a one and six zeroes - for standardized test cheating, and meanwhile the human waste,  Stevie Marie Anne Vigil, who straw purchased guns for Evan Ebel, is out on $25,000 bond.  An accomplice to murder, walking free for $25K.  The US justice system is seriously farked.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22917173/commerce-city-wom an -charged-ebel-straw-purchase-released
 
2013-04-02 09:14:09 PM

Point02GPA: All this cheating started when the democrats faked the moon landing.


No no, it was when Pope Pius the IX slit Custer's throat and then blamed native americans.
 
2013-04-02 09:14:46 PM
I think this headline cheated to get greenlighted. It's certainly not up to standards.
 
2013-04-02 09:14:54 PM
At least they put the picture of the least un-cutest one first. Lowers the odds of needing eye bleach, stat.
 
2013-04-02 09:16:56 PM
15 mug shots of corrupt educrats. 14 blacks, 1 asian. Just what I'd expect from the corrupt cesspool of black liberal racists that is Atlanta.
 
2013-04-02 09:16:57 PM

jayhawk88: Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.


It's simple:  people punish those who betray their trust more than they punish people they never trusted.  Punishments are largely based upon how shocking the crime is.
 
2013-04-02 09:18:40 PM
A street kid gets arrested, gonna do some time
He got out three years from now just to commit more crime
A businessman is caught with 24 kilos
He's out on bail and out of jail
And that's the way it goes
Raah!

/not obscure.
 
2013-04-02 09:18:52 PM

Weaver95: violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.

nobody disagrees that this was against the law.
nobody disagrees that the teacher(s) involved should be punished.

thing is...we let bankers walk on laundering a LOT of money for drug cartels.  see, it sets up a very weird standard for 'justice'.  we're throwing teachers in jail over setting up a test scam, but we let rich bankers walk after laundering a shiat f*ck ton of drug money.  in effect, our society is saying drug use/abuse and money laundering is LESS a crime than this teacher scandal.


Which is why I can't stand mandatory minimum sentencing. It's a travesty of justice.
 
2013-04-02 09:19:23 PM

Warlordtrooper: Do you really believe that changing a few things on a piece of paper should get years in jail?


Depending on what, why, and how they changed, yes.
If found guilty.

Faking bank statements, faking police reports, faking building inspections....all just pieces of paper, right?
 
2013-04-02 09:19:59 PM
So?

And crooks run Washington DC, with ALL our farking money. And so what?

Wake me up when I'm not getting farked in the ass. Then it'll be a farking surprise.
 
2013-04-02 09:20:45 PM
Taken from the NEA quote page on teachers (http://www.nea.org/grants/17417.htm )

  "A teacher affects eternity; he can never tell where his influence stops."

 "Teachers, I believe, are the most responsible and important members of society because their professional efforts affect the fate of the earth."

 "Above all things I hope the education of the common people will be attended to; convinced that on their good sense we may rely with most security for the preservation of a due degree of liberty."

 "There is an old saying that the course of civilization is a race between catastrophe and education. In a democracy such as ours, we must make sure that education wins the race."

 "The future of the world is in my classroom today, a future with the potential for good or bad... Several future presidents are learning from me today; so are the great writers of the next decades, and so are all the so-called ordinary people who will make the decisions in a democracy. I must never forget these same young people could be the thieves and murderers of the future. Only a teacher? Thank God I have a calling to the greatest profession of all! I must be vigilant every day, lest I lose one fragile opportunity to improve tomorrow."

If teachers are as goshdarned special as they keep insisting they are, and their profession so goshdarned sacred, well then, it stands to reason they should get some special treatment :).
 
2013-04-02 09:21:48 PM

Void_Beavis: Weaver95: violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.

nobody disagrees that this was against the law.
nobody disagrees that the teacher(s) involved should be punished.

thing is...we let bankers walk on laundering a LOT of money for drug cartels.  see, it sets up a very weird standard for 'justice'.  we're throwing teachers in jail over setting up a test scam, but we let rich bankers walk after laundering a shiat f*ck ton of drug money.  in effect, our society is saying drug use/abuse and money laundering is LESS a crime than this teacher scandal.

Which is why I can't stand mandatory minimum sentencing. It's a travesty of justice.


You don't want mandatory minimums for bankers?
 
2013-04-02 09:21:58 PM

Acharne: Point02GPA: All this cheating started when the democrats faked the moon landing.

No no, it was when Pope Pius the IX slit Custer's throat and then blamed native americans.


My bad, but now you know how I got my Login.
 
2013-04-02 09:25:57 PM
That same shiat happens in Norfolk, VA and nobody goes to jail.

/come to Virginia if you want to cheat
 
2013-04-02 09:26:49 PM

jayhawk88: Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.


I agree. And it breaks my heart that we have millions of firearms owners in teh USA that do nothing about Wall Street piracy, corporate scandals and WashDC shenanigans that we read about almost every damn week. I realized long ago that people in this country will tolerate anything. It makes me ashamed.
 
2013-04-02 09:30:05 PM

jayhawk88: Racketeering. You're going to charge a bunch of teachers with racketeering for falsifying test scores, but not a single Wall Street investment banker is ever charged with any crime for their role in the meltdown. An entire international bank full of money launderers gets off with a fine paid for by THE VERY PROFITS THEY MADE FROM MONEY LAUNDERING, but teachers trying to game No Child Left Behind now have a bail bondsman.

My Farking God.


Well why hasn't 0bama and holder charged anyone for the meltdown? Maybe because they either didn't do anything illegal or there is no proof.

This teacher screwed a lot of kids. Apparently one of the parents who started the investigation couldn't understand why her kid who could barely read got a really high score on the test. The kid actually believed that she could read based on that.
 
2013-04-02 09:32:01 PM

sevenpointsixtwo: $1,000,000 - yes, a one and six zeroes - for standardized test cheating, and meanwhile the human waste,  Stevie Marie Anne Vigil, who straw purchased guns for Evan Ebel, is out on $25,000 bond.  An accomplice to murder, walking free for $25K.  The US justice system is seriously farked.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22917173/commerce-city-wom an -charged-ebel-straw-purchase-released


You do understand that what's "excessive bail" for one may not be for another, right?  That 8th Amendment thing.  Also, the potential punishment is a factor in setting bail.  I'd be more likely to run if I faced up to 45 years instead of the maximum 16 that this woman faces.
 
2013-04-02 09:32:16 PM

Knucklepopper: johnryan51: Arrested yes, but 45yrs? Murderers get less than that. I agree that what they did was wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of time that lady is facing.

Where does it say 45 years?



From another article:

All 35 educators face racketeering charges. The maximum sentence could be 20 years in prison.
 
2013-04-02 09:38:39 PM

northgrave: Knucklepopper: johnryan51: Arrested yes, but 45yrs? Murderers get less than that. I agree that what they did was wrong. I'm surprised at the amount of time that lady is facing.

Where does it say 45 years?


From another article:

All 35 educators face racketeering charges. The maximum sentence could be 20 years in prison.


Ah, well, 20 years is steep but that's just the sentencing guidelines. Doubtful they'll do 20.
 
2013-04-02 09:44:23 PM
Launder billions in drug money?

Hundreds of billions, subby.  Hundreds of billions.  I genuinely do not understand how any American could possibly respect the US justice system.  Yes, these test rigging people should go to jail, but when the cartels and their Wall Street enablers get less of a punishment than the addict who uses their product, there's a huge problem.
 
2013-04-02 09:44:37 PM
Ya know, they were dealing with tons and tons of dopes.
 
2013-04-02 09:49:21 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: violentsalvation: They shiat on the growing minds of countless children and denied them the education they needed, for money. They should rot in prison.

Apparently you haven't seen the AIMS test here in Arizona, or what's going on in the classrooms to make these kids pass it. School has never been "fun" for any generation, but the kids going through the system now are sitting in torture chambers. Kids who aren't fluent in English get about 4.5 hours of ELL instruction and "Language Arts" a day plus math. No science, no social studies, no recess, except maybe the 15 minutes they get if they can scarf their monochrome-yellow lunch down in 10. No adult would put up with that. You would jump the wall or try to organize a bloody revolution. The kids have no choice.

I taught in this system for 10 years and it's disgusting. There is a concerted effort to destroy public education in this country and high-stakes testing is the justification. You'd shiat yourself if you saw how much of your tax money is going to private consulting firms and private tutoring companies that hire barely-literate tutors, instead of directly to the thousands of classrooms that need it.


Well..isn't it their own fault that they can't speak English and need an extra 4.5 hours of instruction a day?
 
2013-04-02 09:49:35 PM
#2...holy mother of jesus

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2013-04-02 09:52:41 PM
And don't forget that this is going on their permanent records too.
 
2013-04-02 09:53:50 PM
Ha ha! Only one of em isn't black.

/lemme get the popcorn...
 
2013-04-02 09:58:13 PM
My question is why did any of them talk?

I mean just shut up when cops ask you questions and refuse to answer.
 
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