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(The Atlantic)   Don't like the movie we're showing on United Airlines? Here, let us make an emergency landing and escort you off the plane   (theatlantic.com) divider line 124
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2013-04-02 08:07:23 PM
This retelling is not how this incident actually unfolded.

Side point: Why should nobody get to watch the movie because you don't like it? They can't see it -- they're too short to see over the seat in front of them. And they can't hear it if they don't have earpieces. The kids had no idea what was being shown. The parents sound neurotic.

That would explain why their two little boys were "terrified" in the terminal. What were they terrified of? Plastic chairs? Beige and brown carpeting? Could it be that Mommy and Daddy made a huge farking deal on the plane, while they were being put off the plane, and while they were being processed for another flight, and the kids picked up on that? Or did Godzilla attack the terminal? Maybe that part was left out of the retelling.

These people sound desperately melodramatic.

I was married to a Continental pilot. Many of my friends are airline pilots or retired airline pilots. A lot of them are assholes (it comes with the territory), I won't deny that. But an airline pilot will not divert to another airport without a good reason. Nobody wants to explain that to their chief pilot at their base (just for starters). The exceptions cited above made the news because they are EXCEPTIONS.

However, United sucks.
 
2013-04-02 08:20:19 PM
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2013-04-02 08:24:39 PM
Just my opinion but the story doesn't pass the sniff test.
 
2013-04-02 08:39:22 PM

Bastard_Lunatic: labman: Good parents would have given the kids a couple of benadryls before the flight.

YAY!!!!  I'm a good parent!!!!!



Who needs Benadryl when you've got Choctaw Bingo?
 
2013-04-02 08:54:13 PM
How did James Fallows become a writer for the Atlantic?  It takes him forever to make a point.  I read the first two paragraphs and they said absolutely nothing.
 
2013-04-02 09:28:06 PM

orbister: MythDragon: Was the movie being shown over Macho Grande?

No, that's a different type of flying altogether.


That's a different type of flying.

/and don't call me Shirley
 
2013-04-02 09:40:13 PM

BEER_ME_in_CT: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Lucky LaRue: That husband should have told his wife to keep her slore mouth shut

Many shuvs and zhuuls agree

nice. I bet they wanted the Captain to know what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day.

/Large and moving Torg unavailable


What a large and moving Torg may look like:
www.sluggy.com
/actually it's a normal-sized Torg
//hot as Zoe
 
2013-04-02 10:51:50 PM

boinkingbill: How did James Fallows become a writer for the Atlantic?  It takes him forever to make a point.  I read the first two paragraphs and they said absolutely nothing.


All the writers for the Atlantic take 10,000 words to say what can be said in 100 words.  They recruit for that, it seems.
 
2013-04-02 10:53:54 PM
Kids that age are short.  They probably couldn't even see over the seats in front of them to see the screen.  And it the screen was just in front of their row, the extreme side angle would make it hard for the kids to see anything.

A diverted flight is a serious cost. Pilots don't just do it on a whim.
 
2013-04-02 10:58:16 PM
You know, even though I have young children, I realize there are a billion kids around the world that grow up seeing poverty, brutal crime, war atrocities, etc every day, yet most of them seem to grow up to be healthy, happy, compassionate, productive human beings. Maybe it's not about what you're exposed to, but the reason for it, and how it's explained to you. Nevertheless, they shouldn't show R rated movies on flights with kids.
 
2013-04-02 11:05:40 PM
mooo...
 
2013-04-02 11:25:48 PM
flying gets worse every year.
 
2013-04-02 11:49:04 PM
I flew United for the last time some years ago when a gate agent at DIA would not allow me to carry on a telescope I had brought with me to Denver -- carried on in its own case.  It fit in the overhead and did not violate the carry-on sizing rules.  I had no problem carrying it on when I boarded a United plane in Tulsa...  They forced me to check it.  it was in a soft-sided case, and I did not want to check it.  She told me I could either check it or not get on the plane.  I asked for a supervisor, and she was incredibly rude... and of course did not relent.  Since I was traveling on business with a nonrefundable ticket, and I had no other immediate avenue of recourse, I took the chance of checking it.

It was, of course, destroyed.  The baggage service person in Tulsa basically told me 'tough shiat'.  United customer service didn't even respond to me.

This was years before the guitar incident, so I could empathize with him.  Pretty sure it was before the bankruptcy, but it might have been right after; I don't recall.

I have never flown United again.  I will never fly United again.  Even when my employer's travel department tries to put me on United, I tell them that I will not fly United ever again, even on their money, and to book me on either American or Southwest.  The only other airline I've flown since (besides AA and SWA) is Alaska Airlines.  I've never had anything but good service from any of them.  Of course American has issues with delays, etc. but I'm always treated with respect and consistency.

/CSB
 
2013-04-02 11:59:26 PM
if everyone agreed that they should show the movie and they would be ok with the screen be retracted why didnt they just cover the screen with a piece of paper?

/ someone might have some tape and if not just macgyver that shiat up there.
// captain still a flaming wad of dicks
 
2013-04-03 12:20:12 AM
They had me on their side until they started whining about carbon footprints.
 
2013-04-03 12:34:24 AM

Pharmdawg: You know, even though I have young children, I realize there are a billion kids around the world that grow up seeing poverty, brutal crime, war atrocities, etc every day, yet most of them seem to grow up to be healthy, happy, compassionate, productive human beings. Maybe it's not about what you're exposed to, but the reason for it, and how it's explained to you. Nevertheless, they shouldn't show R rated movies on flights with kids.


Understandable. But the movies shown on US commercial airlines are heavily edited for precisely the reason in the article. They usually get edited for an audience somewhere between a TBS Saturday afternoon and a Mormon Sunday school.


I'd bet the farm that the person who wrote the very reasonable verbiage in the article was a lot less reasonable on that flight.


You put otherwise normal individuals in a pressurized metal tube 7 miles in the air going 500 mph, sometimes they get a little weird.
 
2013-04-03 01:27:02 AM

Ambivalence: Pilots do not divert flights for rational disagreements, only for medical emergencies, mechanical malfuntions inflight or security threats so either someone was having a heart attack (completely unrelated to the Whiney couple), the "check engine" light came on, or this couple was being hostile and/or making threats.

It costs an airline money to make an emergency landing. They are not going to spend that kind of dough just because people are pouty about the movie.


pilots now have lot of authority and little loyalty to the airline. if the FA was pissing and moaning to him about the customers and he did one of these "i'll show them baby (and screw you later due to it)" macho deals well you have what we see here.

the airlines are no longer the glory ride and pilots are just airborne bus drivers. hell look at how crappy their pay and benefits are.
 
2013-04-03 01:27:33 AM

Paris1127: /trivia question: Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?


In 2006, there was an incident where a cruise ship suddenly listed about 15 degrees, and many people were injured. One of the passengers was quoted as saying something "it was weird that it happened today, because tonight's movie in the theater was Titanic." Whose bright farking idea was it to show that onboard?
 
2013-04-03 01:32:48 AM

Freschel: It costs an airline money to make an emergency landing. They are not going to spend that kind of dough just because people are pouty about the movie.

10 or 20 years ago they wouldn't but this is now. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.


It probably won't be too much longer before an unruly passenger gets a bill from the airline for the extra fuel and the overtime for the crew.
 
2013-04-03 02:25:44 AM

Lucky LaRue: I am siding with authority on this one because, when is it ever a bad idea to side with authority?  That husband should have told his wife to keep her slore mouth shut and read to the kids from the Bible.


Judges 12:5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay; 12:6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.
 
2013-04-03 06:54:24 AM
This is a long item

And that's as far as I got.
 
2013-04-03 07:45:27 AM

MadAzza: This retelling is not how this incident actually unfolded.

Side point: Why should nobody get to watch the movie because you don't like it? They can't see it -- they're too short to see over the seat in front of them. And they can't hear it if they don't have earpieces. The kids had no idea what was being shown. The parents sound neurotic.

That would explain why their two little boys were "terrified" in the terminal. What were they terrified of? Plastic chairs? Beige and brown carpeting? Could it be that Mommy and Daddy made a huge farking deal on the plane, while they were being put off the plane, and while they were being processed for another flight, and the kids picked up on that? Or did Godzilla attack the terminal? Maybe that part was left out of the retelling.

These people sound desperately melodramatic*

I was married to a Continental pilot. Many of my friends are airline pilots or retired airline pilots. A lot of them are assholes (it comes with the territory), I won't deny that. But an airline pilot will not divert to another airport without a good reason. Nobody wants to explain that to their chief pilot at their base (just for starters). The exceptions cited above made the news because they are EXCEPTIONS.

However, United sucks.


Point 1: Little kids will *always* zero in on the thing you don't want them to. Especially sex or violence occurring on a screen over their heads.

Point 2: You're 4 years old and a cop arrests you, mommy and daddy, forcing you and only you to get off the airplane. Yes, this is the 4 yr old's interpretation of what happened. Kids don't process events the way you do.

Yes, these are the exceptions. And exceptions are often a very very bad thing. People killing other people are the exceptions to normal interaction. We try to minimize that by not letting people get away with it.

Like I said before, I don't blame the pilot, I blame a flight attendant on a a power trip who should be fired for abuse of power. But I think the pilot DOES share the blame in that he didn't follow up on the situation that he considered so dangerous he made an emergency landing. Followed by something a comment like 'That's IT? This is not what I was told. On behalf of the airline, I apologize. This is NOT how we treat our fliers. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go punch Sally Stewardess in the neck.'

Would have made all the difference.
 
2013-04-03 07:50:36 AM

ElFugawz: if everyone agreed that they should show the movie and they would be ok with the screen be retracted why didnt they just cover the screen with a piece of paper?

/ someone might have some tape and if not just macgyver that shiat up there.
// captain still a flaming wad of dicks


unauthorized repair/modification of equipment outside union rules.  I've sat on a runway for 40 minutes waiting for 2 guys to come on the plane and duct tape an overhead bin closed.
 
2013-04-05 02:12:28 PM
I took an AmTrak train from Grand Junction, CO to Denver back in the '80s. It was probably over a 6 hour trip, but I really don't remember. Anyway, two families with a total of 4 kids were on the same car. I remember the mother calling out to one boy by the name of "Sturgeon", I shiat you not. They were singing stuff like "Michael Row Your Boat Ashore" for like an hour before I could not take it anymore. Left my seat to go to the club car and get plastered. I had left a National Lampoon magazine out, for those of you old enough to remember it was the one with Pinochio on the cover. I also left a thing of lip balm on top of it. When I got back a few hours later, my magazine and lip balm had been placed in the over-head bin. Then one of the mothers came to me and tore into me like I was John Wayne Gacy. Being the good natured drunk I am, I waited until she was done. Then my outrage clicked in. I ripped back at her telling her that she would tether the little farkers and teach them manners about invading people's personal space, she wouldn't have to worry about.  Also told her if I had to listen to one more fricking sing-along things would get ugly. We all sat for about an hour in silence until getting to Denver.
 
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