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2013-04-02 02:43:05 PM  
Between these whiners and the vegan couple wanting to cook their own pasta at the restaurant, I farking really hate people.
 
2013-04-02 02:47:38 PM  
I was going to side with the pilot until I realized they were being subjected to Alex Cross.
 
2013-04-02 02:55:29 PM  

Sybarite: I was going to side with the pilot until I realized they were being subjected to Alex Cross.


Yeah, that's a really tough call.
 
2013-04-02 03:01:03 PM  

Sybarite: I was going to side with the pilot until I realized they were being subjected to Alex Cross.


Isn't that a Madea movie without Madea?
 
2013-04-02 03:08:36 PM  
wow, that captain was a total farking douchebag.
 
2013-04-02 03:12:53 PM  
fark, I don't know who to side with on this one. United and the pilot sound like douchebags, but then the parents sound whiny and obnoxious too. I think I hate everyone involved.
 
2013-04-02 03:18:40 PM  
The parents had a legitimate beef...and the Captain was a douchebag.
 
2013-04-02 03:35:41 PM  
Going to side with the parents on this one.
 
2013-04-02 03:39:50 PM  
I am siding with authority on this one because, when is it ever a bad idea to side with authority?  That husband should have told his wife to keep her slore mouth shut and read to the kids from the Bible.
 
2013-04-02 03:41:13 PM  

slayer199: The parents had a legitimate beef...and the Captain was a douchebag.


Of course you have to take this with a grain of salt, but assuming the parents really did remain calm and reasonable, the captain went over the line.

I wouldn't be surprised if the diversion resulted from the parents turning into screeching hysterical banshees.
 
2013-04-02 03:43:50 PM  
In summary, the captain was a dickhole.
 
2013-04-02 03:44:36 PM  
You think that's bad?  I had to suffer through "Jingle All the Way" on a flight from Phoenix to Orlando.
 
2013-04-02 03:45:01 PM  
In all honesty, they could've offered a better film for everyone to watch.

/trivia question:  Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?
 
2013-04-02 03:46:26 PM  

Paris1127: /trivia question: Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?


Braniff?
 
2013-04-02 03:46:57 PM  
At least it wasn't 'Gigli'. I'd demand my flight be free.
 
2013-04-02 03:51:53 PM  

gopher321: At least it wasn't 'Gigli'. I'd demand my flight be free go into a spiraling nose-dive into crocodile-infested waters.

 
2013-04-02 03:54:37 PM  

Paris1127: /trivia question:  Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?


Trans American Airlines.
 
2013-04-02 03:55:04 PM  

Paris1127: In all honesty, they could've offered a better film for everyone to watch.

/trivia question:  Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?


AeroMexico
 
2013-04-02 03:56:27 PM  
tl;dr
 
2013-04-02 03:56:54 PM  

The_Sponge: You think that's bad?  I had to suffer through "Jingle All the Way" on a flight from Phoenix to Orlando.


But at least you got out of Phoenix.
 
2013-04-02 03:57:36 PM  

vernonFL: Between these whiners and the vegan couple wanting to cook their own pasta at the restaurant, I farking really hate people.


^this...but I already hate people.
 
2013-04-02 04:00:48 PM  
I find myself calling bullshiat on the movie theme one.  On every flight I've ever been on you can turn the screen off by turning the brightness down all the way.  You'll still get audio out of the jack on some planes, but of course if you don't let your kids plug anything in that can't happen.  I've been on multiple A320s and that has always been the case.  Flight attendants also know this and will help people turn them off on red eyes when they darken the cabin.

/the annoying part is after takeoff when they reset the system/end their free TV preview you have to turn it off again because by default they boot up as "all on"
 
2013-04-02 04:02:37 PM  

gilgigamesh: slayer199: The parents had a legitimate beef...and the Captain was a douchebag.

Of course you have to take this with a grain of salt, but assuming the parents really did remain calm and reasonable, the captain went over the line.

I wouldn't be surprised if the diversion resulted from the parents turning into screeching hysterical banshees.


I would lay money on the hysterical banshees scenario.
 
2013-04-02 04:02:41 PM  
If this happened exactly as described by these parents, this is pilot is a total cockbag.

But I'd bet everything I own in the world that this isn't how it happened.

On February 2, 2013 we travelled with our two young boys (4 and 8 years old)...had to linger in the terminal for hours with our exhausted and terrified little boys

I'd also bet everything in the world that these two boys are named Elliot and Bastian. Or Henry and Tarquin.
 
2013-04-02 04:03:54 PM  

ha-ha-guy: I find myself calling bullshiat on the movie theme one.  On every flight I've ever been on you can turn the screen off by turning the brightness down all the way.


TFA says it was the fold down screens up above the seats, not ones in the seatbacks (and therefore tweakable by the people themselves). I've not been on an A320 so I can't vouch for how any of them are, but if it was screens up above, then they do have a point.
 
2013-04-02 04:04:28 PM  
Airline is stupid for showing a PG-13 movie on a flight.

Drama queen stewardess probably blew the whole thing out of proportion to the Captain, probably told him the parents were upset and disruptive. Boo hoo.
 
2013-04-02 04:05:30 PM  

ha-ha-guy: I find myself calling bullshiat on the movie theme one.  On every flight I've ever been on you can turn the screen off by turning the brightness down all the way.  You'll still get audio out of the jack on some planes, but of course if you don't let your kids plug anything in that can't happen.  I've been on multiple A320s and that has always been the case.  Flight attendants also know this and will help people turn them off on red eyes when they darken the cabin.

/the annoying part is after takeoff when they reset the system/end their free TV preview you have to turn it off again because by default they boot up as "all on"


You know how I know you didn't read the article? THESE AREN'T INDIVIDUAL TV SCREENS.
 
2013-04-02 04:06:27 PM  
Yeah, the captain was an asshole. I guess they're not friendly skies anymore. Now if anything gets the captain's panties in a wad, he won't think twice about diverting a flight. No wonder the airlines have so much trouble making money.
 
2013-04-02 04:06:29 PM  
And they still break guitars

(damn song, stuck in my head)
 
2013-04-02 04:06:30 PM  

ha-ha-guy: On every flight I've ever been on you can turn the screen off by turning the brightness down all the way.


You clearly don't fly on sufficiently crappy planes. There are still plenty up there with the setup described in TFA - a dozen or so ceiling-mounted screens spaced around the cabin, all hooked up to the same VCR.
 
2013-04-02 04:06:57 PM  

akula: ha-ha-guy: I find myself calling bullshiat on the movie theme one.  On every flight I've ever been on you can turn the screen off by turning the brightness down all the way.

TFA says it was the fold down screens up above the seats, not ones in the seatbacks (and therefore tweakable by the people themselves). I've not been on an A320 so I can't vouch for how any of them are, but if it was screens up above, then they do have a point.


Those just fold up though, so even easier, unless someone else in that row wanted to watch the movie.  I've pushed them up before on long flights without any problem.  Of course I don't ask the flight attendant, I just ask the other passengers, wait for the FAs to be elsewhere, and fold it up.
 
2013-04-02 04:08:36 PM  

Ambitwistor: Trans American Airlines.


An excellent answer, but not what I was looking for...

12349876: Paris1127: In all honesty, they could've offered a better film for everyone to watch.

/trivia question:  Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?

AeroMexico


Very good. Now did you know that, or did you just Google it?
 
2013-04-02 04:08:57 PM  
"One more complaint and I am going to fly this plane right into the side of a mountain!"

/thanks for flying United
 
2013-04-02 04:09:01 PM  
Was it a movie about gladiators?
 
2013-04-02 04:09:14 PM  

ha-ha-guy: akula: ha-ha-guy: I find myself calling bullshiat on the movie theme one.  On every flight I've ever been on you can turn the screen off by turning the brightness down all the way.

TFA says it was the fold down screens up above the seats, not ones in the seatbacks (and therefore tweakable by the people themselves). I've not been on an A320 so I can't vouch for how any of them are, but if it was screens up above, then they do have a point.

Those just fold up though, so even easier, unless someone else in that row wanted to watch the movie.  I've pushed them up before on long flights without any problem.  Of course I don't ask the flight attendant, I just ask the other passengers, wait for the FAs to be elsewhere, and fold it up.


Again, TFA says they asked the flight attendant (there's the problem, but it's understandable). The screen looked like it folded up, but she wouldn't go for it.
 
2013-04-02 04:09:51 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Airline is stupid for showing a PG-13 movie on a flight.

Drama queen stewardess probably blew the whole thing out of proportion to the Captain, probably told him the parents were upset and disruptive. Boo hoo.


dingdingding i think we have a winnah!
 
2013-04-02 04:09:51 PM  
Pilots do not divert flights for rational disagreements, only for medical emergencies, mechanical malfuntions inflight or security threats so either someone was having a heart attack (completely unrelated to the Whiney couple), the "check engine" light came on, or this couple was being hostile and/or making threats.

It costs an airline money to make an emergency landing. They are not going to spend that kind of dough just because people are pouty about the movie.
 
2013-04-02 04:11:29 PM  

akula: ha-ha-guy: akula: ha-ha-guy: I find myself calling bullshiat on the movie theme one.  On every flight I've ever been on you can turn the screen off by turning the brightness down all the way.

TFA says it was the fold down screens up above the seats, not ones in the seatbacks (and therefore tweakable by the people themselves). I've not been on an A320 so I can't vouch for how any of them are, but if it was screens up above, then they do have a point.

Those just fold up though, so even easier, unless someone else in that row wanted to watch the movie.  I've pushed them up before on long flights without any problem.  Of course I don't ask the flight attendant, I just ask the other passengers, wait for the FAs to be elsewhere, and fold it up.

Again, TFA says they asked the flight attendant (there's the problem, but it's understandable). The screen looked like it folded up, but she wouldn't go for it.


The screen is no doubt locked up for take offs and landings.
 
2013-04-02 04:11:31 PM  
Captains have 100% discretion as to whether or not they think somebody is a security risk.  They can kick anybody off a plane if they feel like, and they can't be disciplined or fired for doing so.  This has resulted in the following pattern happening at least a dozen times since 9/11:

1. An airplane captain kicks some muslims off an airplane mainly for being muslim.
2. The muslims sue the airline.
3. The muslims win a couple million bucks.
4. The captain is not disciplined at all.
5. Go to step 1.

Of course, being a parent of a couple kids who don't want them to see an R Rated movie is not a constitutionally protected class, so the people involved in this particular incident won't have this type of recourse.
 
2013-04-02 04:11:50 PM  
Are these people trying to say that it was not appropriate for me to watch Total Recall with my 3 year old?
 
2013-04-02 04:12:00 PM  

Ambivalence: They are not going to spend that kind of dough just because people are pouty about the movie


That assumes the pilot is concerned about the bottom line, or would face discipline for making the "judgement call" about it.
 
2013-04-02 04:12:00 PM  

Paris1127: Ambitwistor: Trans American Airlines.

An excellent answer, but not what I was looking for...

12349876: Paris1127: In all honesty, they could've offered a better film for everyone to watch.

/trivia question:  Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?

AeroMexico

Very good. Now did you know that, or did you just Google it?


DVD Commentary
 
2013-04-02 04:12:06 PM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-02 04:12:09 PM  

ha-ha-guy: akula: ha-ha-guy: I find myself calling bullshiat on the movie theme one.  On every flight I've ever been on you can turn the screen off by turning the brightness down all the way.

TFA says it was the fold down screens up above the seats, not ones in the seatbacks (and therefore tweakable by the people themselves). I've not been on an A320 so I can't vouch for how any of them are, but if it was screens up above, then they do have a point.

Those just fold up though, so even easier, unless someone else in that row wanted to watch the movie.  I've pushed them up before on long flights without any problem.  Of course I don't ask the flight attendant, I just ask the other passengers, wait for the FAs to be elsewhere, and fold it up.


IIRC, they won't fold up individually without modification (IE - disabled by ground crew). And as someone who flies round trip at least once a week; I can empathize with the parents, but they should STFU and cope (grounding the plane notwithstanding).
 
2013-04-02 04:12:18 PM  

ha-ha-guy: I find myself calling bullshiat on the movie theme one.  On every flight I've ever been on you can turn the screen off by turning the brightness down all the way. ..."


FTFA: On our plane, an A320, the movie was projected on drop-down screens above the seats.

Although it would be cool if you could dial the brightness up and down on the overhead screens. And by "you," I mean "everyone at the same time."
 
2013-04-02 04:12:19 PM  
Tough call. The beef is well written and seems reasonable, but this is all after the fact and only showcases the parents' point of view. When the reactions of others are mentioned, they are conveyed through said parents, thereby being subjective at best and manipulated at worst.

That the captain risked being written up for needlessly diverting his flight on a security risk that didn't exist seems unlikely. Being vindictive is one thing, but one would have to be seriously disgruntled to pull this after a simple, 'calm' verbal complaint from a couple. My money is on the parents being more 'agitated' than they let on. They even said that some of the FAs 'timed out' when the authorities got there. Why would they do that if they had dealt with pleasant, even-tempered people up until that point?
 
2013-04-02 04:13:32 PM  

mcreadyblue: akula: ha-ha-guy: akula: ha-ha-guy: I find myself calling bullshiat on the movie theme one.  On every flight I've ever been on you can turn the screen off by turning the brightness down all the way.

TFA says it was the fold down screens up above the seats, not ones in the seatbacks (and therefore tweakable by the people themselves). I've not been on an A320 so I can't vouch for how any of them are, but if it was screens up above, then they do have a point.

Those just fold up though, so even easier, unless someone else in that row wanted to watch the movie.  I've pushed them up before on long flights without any problem.  Of course I don't ask the flight attendant, I just ask the other passengers, wait for the FAs to be elsewhere, and fold it up.

Again, TFA says they asked the flight attendant (there's the problem, but it's understandable). The screen looked like it folded up, but she wouldn't go for it.

The screen is no doubt locked up for take offs and landings.


I don't think the FAs actually can pop individual screens up or down, I bet they just have an all up or all down switch.  I just pop mine by hand since on some Chinese airlines they use them to show ads for the entire flight, which are farking annoying since they flicker away at the edge of your vision when you read the paper.

/I likely also get away with it since no Chinese FA wants to confront the white dude
 
2013-04-02 04:14:15 PM  

12349876: Paris1127: Ambitwistor: Trans American Airlines.

An excellent answer, but not what I was looking for...

12349876: Paris1127: In all honesty, they could've offered a better film for everyone to watch.

/trivia question:  Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?

AeroMexico

Very good. Now did you know that, or did you just Google it?

DVD Commentary


Ah, OK. Well done then.
 
2013-04-02 04:14:17 PM  
Hmm, we're only getting one side of a two-sided dispute.

Let's

nocountryfornewnashville.com
To

djdiddywah.com,

Shall we?
 
2013-04-02 04:17:00 PM  
More reason to have children sections. I wouldn't want to be in a situation where I have no choice but to let my kid see some of the crap that Hollywood puts out, then have to explain the context of gratuitous violence to a 2 year old who's having a nightmare that night. I don't know if I feel so strongly that I'd want my flight diverted. I would just try to keep her distracted.
 
2013-04-02 04:17:06 PM  

Ambivalence: Pilots do not divert flights for rational disagreements, only for medical emergencies, mechanical malfuntions inflight or security threats so either someone was having a heart attack (completely unrelated to the Whiney couple), the "check engine" light came on, or this couple was being hostile and/or making threats.

It costs an airline money to make an emergency landing. They are not going to spend that kind of dough just because people are pouty about the movie.


Maybe not about a movie, but a United Airlines captain decided to divert a flight because he and a flight attendant were getting pissy at each other.
 
2013-04-02 04:19:43 PM  

Paris1127: 12349876: Paris1127: Ambitwistor: Trans American Airlines.

An excellent answer, but not what I was looking for...

12349876: Paris1127: In all honesty, they could've offered a better film for everyone to watch.

/trivia question:  Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?

AeroMexico

Very good. Now did you know that, or did you just Google it?

DVD Commentary

Ah, OK. Well done then.


I've watched it enough to remember several things.  Like Pete Rose being the original scripted co-pilot but filming was during baseball season and purposefully speeding up "Stayin' Alive" and the power outage on the runway actually happened while filming helicopter shots.
 
2013-04-02 04:20:11 PM  

Savage Bacon: Tough call. The beef is well written and seems reasonable, but this is all after the fact and only showcases the parents' point of view. When the reactions of others are mentioned, they are conveyed through said parents, thereby being subjective at best and manipulated at worst.

That the captain risked being written up for needlessly diverting his flight on a security risk that didn't exist seems unlikely. Being vindictive is one thing, but one would have to be seriously disgruntled to pull this after a simple, 'calm' verbal complaint from a couple. My money is on the parents being more 'agitated' than they let on. They even said that some of the FAs 'timed out' when the authorities got there. Why would they do that if they had dealt with pleasant, even-tempered people up until that point?


QFT - of course, I'm used to clients with severe mental disorders, so I might be biased.
 
2013-04-02 04:21:18 PM  

Savage Bacon: Tough call. The beef is well written and seems reasonable, but this is all after the fact and only showcases the parents' point of view. When the reactions of others are mentioned, they are conveyed through said parents, thereby being subjective at best and manipulated at worst.

That the captain risked being written up for needlessly diverting his flight on a security risk that didn't exist seems unlikely. Being vindictive is one thing, but one would have to be seriously disgruntled to pull this after a simple, 'calm' verbal complaint from a couple. My money is on the parents being more 'agitated' than they let on. They even said that some of the FAs 'timed out' when the authorities got there. Why would they do that if they had dealt with pleasant, even-tempered people up until that point?


It was a PG-13 movie and in theory the parents should have brought something to keep their kids focused for the flight (book, iPad, etc).  Just pass out your options to the kids, don't give them headphones, and discipline them if you catch them looking up and staring at the screen.  Given it was PG-13 it likely isn't wall to wall adult content, just a couple scenes.  I can kind of understand the FA refusing to put it up out of concern other passengers were simply keeping quiet due to fear of 'omg think of the children!'.   It makes me wonder if the mom did something else to earn a diversion and of course in hindsight is merely claiming her response was perfectly measured.

On a different plane if we're talking seatback units and I'm sitting a row in front of them and watching some PG-13 or R rated movie, they're in the same boat aren't they?  They can't make me turn my unit off and the kids can easily look between the headrests to see my screen.  However the parents deal with that situation should also work for the drop down option.

/I always like it when the person in front of me has the flight tracker on their screen so I don't have to toggle out of the movie to see where the plane is on its route, just move my head a little and look at their screen
 
2013-04-02 04:24:14 PM  
If people would just stop flying commercial, things like this wouldn't happen.

Note to all passengers: you are cattle.  Do not moo too loudly, though, or they'll put you off the plane.
 
2013-04-02 04:24:39 PM  

LessO2: gopher321: At least it wasn't 'Gigli'. I'd demand my flight be free go into a spiraling nose-dive into crocodile-infested waters.


Ronnie Van Zant does not approve of this message.
 
2013-04-02 04:25:53 PM  

Savage Bacon: That the captain risked being written up for needlessly diverting his flight on a security risk that didn't exist seems unlikely.


Every pilots' union has a contract stating that a captain has 100% authority to kick off anybody they deem to be a security risk.  There is zero risk to him, other than looking stupid in front of his co-workers.

That being said, we do only have one side of the story and no actual confirmation (like a newspaper article or government press release) it even took place.
 
2013-04-02 04:27:32 PM  

Lucky LaRue: That husband should have told his wife to keep her slore mouth shut


Many shuvs and zhuuls agree
 
2013-04-02 04:29:07 PM  
As much as I hate the type of parents who expect the world to bend to their wishes there was no reason to divert the flight.

Alo I hate those screen setups on old planes, they suck and are distracting. Couldn't they just duct tape a bunch of cheap tablets to the seatbacks and stream media through a couple of wifi routers?
 
2013-04-02 04:29:59 PM  
We understand that airline captains can and should have complete authority. However, when this authority is used for senseless, vindictive acts, it must be addressed.

And this is how it's addressed: the Pilot In Command (PIC) has final authority.

/CFR Title 14, Part 1, Section 1.1
 
2013-04-02 04:30:05 PM  
A couple things:

1:  Never ever believe anyone who is giving their account of something and reenforces their side by stating that everyone agreed with you.  Translation: "everyone was cordial to me therefore they knew I was right"
2:  Never believe on side of a story on the internet, especially when it seems outrageous
3:  If everything is as stated my guess would be that the issue was a communication problem between the crew and the captain overstating the urgency of the issue.  I highly doubt a captain would do something like this just to be a dick.
 
2013-04-02 04:30:11 PM  
Good parents would have given the kids a couple of benadryls before the flight.
 
2013-04-02 04:31:51 PM  
If the film was a porno, I'd understand. But it's Alex Cross. It's adult themed but so what? Kids love violence and a bit of T&A.
Kids now permanently scarred for life because of this incident. If they actually watched the film it would have been forgotten after the plane landed.

Grow a pair, biatch. Or something gender appropriate.
 
2013-04-02 04:34:21 PM  

Geotpf: Captains have 100% discretion as to whether or not they think somebody is a security risk.  They can kick anybody off a plane if they feel like, and they can't be disciplined or fired for doing so.  This has resulted in the following pattern happening at least a dozen times since 9/11:

1. An airplane captain kicks some muslims off an airplane mainly for being muslim.
2. The muslims sue the airline.
3. The muslims win a couple million bucks.
4. The captain is not disciplined at all.
5. Go to step 1.

Of course, being a parent of a couple kids who don't want them to see an R Rated movie is not a constitutionally protected class, so the people involved in this particular incident won't have this type of recourse.


Which is why they landed and booted them off. Once you've done that you still need to deal with the aftermath. They're running a business after all, so there's media, politics, potential lawsuits, investigations, incident reports, interviews, etc. This pilot did himself no favors.
 
2013-04-02 04:39:34 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Lucky LaRue: That husband should have told his wife to keep her slore mouth shut

Many shuvs and zhuuls agree


Leaving satisfied...

www.ps3hax.net
 
2013-04-02 04:45:23 PM  
I used to enjoy flying several times annually.  The airlines, TSA and self-obsessed public have taken this pleasure from me.
Now I dread my one trip involving air travel every 2-3 years.

I prefer this view
blogs.voices.com
 
2013-04-02 04:45:44 PM  

labman: Good parents would have given the kids a couple of benadryls before the flight.


YAY!!!!  I'm a good parent!!!!!
 
2013-04-02 04:47:17 PM  

Ambivalence: Pilots do not divert flights for rational disagreements, only for medical emergencies, mechanical malfuntions inflight or security threats so either someone was having a heart attack (completely unrelated to the Whiney couple), the "check engine" light came on, or this couple was being hostile and/or making threats.

It costs an airline money to make an emergency landing. They are not going to spend that kind of dough just because people are pouty about the movie.


10 or 20 years ago they wouldn't but this is now. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.
 
rka
2013-04-02 04:52:53 PM  

IRQ12: A couple things:

1:  Never ever believe anyone who is giving their account of something and reenforces their side by stating that everyone agreed with you.  Translation: "everyone was cordial to me therefore they knew I was right"
2:  Never believe on side of a story on the internet, especially when it seems outrageous
3:  If everything is as stated my guess would be that the issue was a communication problem between the crew and the captain overstating the urgency of the issue.  I highly doubt a captain would do something like this just to be a dick.


You just crashed Fark's entire business model. People screeching at each other over crap they read on the internet.
 
2013-04-02 04:56:36 PM  

Freschel: Ambivalence: Pilots do not divert flights for rational disagreements, only for medical emergencies, mechanical malfuntions inflight or security threats so either someone was having a heart attack (completely unrelated to the Whiney couple), the "check engine" light came on, or this couple was being hostile and/or making threats.

It costs an airline money to make an emergency landing. They are not going to spend that kind of dough just because people are pouty about the movie.

10 or 20 years ago they wouldn't but this is now. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.


I would bet they send the fuel bill to the customer that was put off the plane.
 
2013-04-02 05:02:36 PM  

Odd Bird: I used to enjoy flying several times annually.  The airlines, TSA and self-obsessed public have taken this pleasure from me.
Now I dread my one trip involving air travel every 2-3 years.

I prefer this view
[blogs.voices.com image 500x287]


You mean this view?
 
2013-04-02 05:04:40 PM  
^^


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-02 05:10:02 PM  

Paris1127: 12349876: Paris1127: Ambitwistor: Trans American Airlines.

An excellent answer, but not what I was looking for...

12349876: Paris1127: In all honesty, they could've offered a better film for everyone to watch.

/trivia question:  Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?

AeroMexico

Very good. Now did you know that, or did you just Google it?

DVD Commentary

Ah, OK. Well done then.


Thanks for the gift!
 
2013-04-02 05:12:46 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I am siding with authority on this one because, when is it ever a bad idea to side with authority?  That husband should have told his wife to keep her slore mouth shut and read to the kids from the Bible.


moviesmedia.ign.com

Many Shuvs and United passengers knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slore that flight, I can tell you!
 
2013-04-02 05:17:56 PM  
Lucky LaRue: That husband should have told his wife to keep her slore mouth shut

ciberido: Many Shuvs and United passengers knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slore that flight, I can tell you!

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Many shuvs and zhuuls agree


*shakes tiny godlike fist of rage*
 
2013-04-02 05:19:46 PM  

MBooda: We understand that airline captains can and should have complete authority. However, when this authority is used for senseless, vindictive acts, it must be addressed.

And this is how it's addressed: the Pilot In Command (PIC) has final authority.

/CFR Title 14, Part 1, Section 1.1


Perhaps they meant "addressed" in the sense that, the Pilot In Command (PIC) has final authority, but if he uses it for senseless, vindictive acts, he should face consequences after the plane lands.

The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
2013-04-02 05:20:08 PM  

DrRatchet: The_Sponge: You think that's bad?  I had to suffer through "Jingle All the Way" on a flight from Phoenix to Orlando.

But at least you got out of Phoenix.


Out of the frying pan and all that.

/img1.fark.net
 
2013-04-02 05:24:45 PM  
Was the movie being shown over Macho Grande?
 
2013-04-02 05:24:49 PM  

ha-ha-guy: It was a PG-13 movie and in theory the parents should have brought something to keep their kids focused for the flight (book, iPad, etc).  Just pass out your options to the kids, don't give them headphones, and discipline them if you catch them looking up and staring at the screen.  Given it was PG-13 it likely isn't wall to wall adult content, just a couple scenes.  I can kind of understand the FA refusing to put it up out of concern other passengers were simply keeping quiet due to fear of 'omg think of the children!'.   It makes me wonder if the mom did something else to earn a diversion and of course in hindsight is merely claiming her response was perfectly measured.


Airline versions of films are routinely edited to take out any "objectionable" content. These days they rate anything a PG-13 anyway, I haven't seen Alex Cross (and probably never will) but PG-13 has been watered down so much from the original intent, which was for movies >thisclose< to being rated R but weren't. Look at the PG-13 films from when it started in the mid-80s and compare them to today. Same with the PG rating: movies that should be rated G like Kung Fu Panda get a PG now. Ridiculous.
 
2013-04-02 05:27:54 PM  

12349876: Paris1127: 12349876: Paris1127: Ambitwistor: Trans American Airlines.

An excellent answer, but not what I was looking for...

12349876: Paris1127: In all honesty, they could've offered a better film for everyone to watch.

/trivia question:  Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?

AeroMexico

Very good. Now did you know that, or did you just Google it?

DVD Commentary

Ah, OK. Well done then.

Thanks for the gift!


You're very welcome. Enjoy!
 
2013-04-02 05:35:57 PM  
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2013-04-02 05:36:33 PM  
Seeing as the author (Fallows) is himself a pilot who normally is incredibly level headed, even when arguing against TSA "security theatre" in his words, I put a lot more stock in his description. Especially as he seems to know the family involved and did follow up with United before running the story.

Give people power and some will abuse it. The story from a few months back when a (dark skinned) New Zealander was throw a off the plane for wearing a shirt with a Princess Bride quote definitely shows how flight crews overreact.
 
2013-04-02 05:39:21 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Lucky LaRue: That husband should have told his wife to keep her slore mouth shut

Many shuvs and zhuuls agree


nice. I bet they wanted the Captain to know what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day.

/Large and moving Torg unavailable
 
2013-04-02 05:45:05 PM  

MythDragon: Was the movie being shown over Macho Grande?


No, that's a different type of flying altogether.
 
2013-04-02 05:46:19 PM  
I'd be pissed that they landed and took off again for something seemingly not much of a security threat.  It's more dangerous and would have meant delays, missed connections, etc.

I really hope someone posts a follow-up to this story to see what really happened.

And I don't like anyone in this story: people who thought the movie was a good idea to show to all, whiny helicopter parents who made such a big deal, flight attendants who didn't do anything but tattle, and a captain who ordered that the plane be diverted.  Wow.
 
2013-04-02 05:48:53 PM  
I flew on Delta a few years ago. I had my iPod headphones in because there were a number of crying babies and loudmouths on the plane when they made the announcement to disable all electronic devices. Of course, I didn't hear it. A flight attendant approached me and motioned to me to remove my headphones, which I did. As soon as they were out she was biatching about my inability to follow rules and said I might have to be arrested when we land. I apologized and was polite, of course, but she was still uber-nasty about it.

I know flight attendants deal with rude and angry passengers a lot, but assuming that all passengers are rude, angry, or potential terrorists is no appropriate either.

/parents might have been nasty though
//probably not, since article mentions that nearby passengers were supportive of them
 
2013-04-02 05:50:32 PM  

Blues_X: In summary, the captain was a dickhole.


Actually, he was relying on the report of a moron flying waitress who thinks she's been deputized by Homeland Security.

TSA is bad enough, can we get some lawsuits going over this kind of happy horseshiat too??
 
2013-04-02 05:52:46 PM  

peterthx: Airline versions of films are routinely edited to take out any "objectionable" content.


This.

The airline version of a movie would generally be playable on TV it's so heavily edited and watered down so as not to offend anyone.

The parents who got all upset about this need to chill the fark out.
 
2013-04-02 05:53:54 PM  
I would pay extra to fly on an airline that bans kids from flying
 
2013-04-02 05:57:53 PM  

heili skrimsli: peterthx: Airline versions of films are routinely edited to take out any "objectionable" content.

This.

The airline version of a movie would generally be playable on TV it's so heavily edited and watered down so as not to offend anyone.

The parents who got all upset about this need to chill the fark out.


Agreed.

Unfortunately, I was raised by parents who were probably this couple. Picture a Hank and Peggy Hill level of what's inappropriate.

Those kids are the only true victims in this story, what with the overbearing parents and all.
 
2013-04-02 06:01:34 PM  
Dear The Consumerist,...
 
2013-04-02 06:32:26 PM  

eggrolls: Blues_X: In summary, the captain was a dickhole.

Actually, he was relying on the report of a moron flying waitress who thinks she's been deputized by Homeland Security.

TSA is bad enough, can we get some lawsuits going over this kind of happy horseshiat too??


This.  Some of them broads really get off on the power.
 
2013-04-02 06:41:49 PM  

Sybarite: I was going to side with the pilot until I realized they were being subjected to Alex Cross.


going to read the article, but it was written by a sphyllitic chimp. my brain started hurting before I could get part way,
 
2013-04-02 07:03:48 PM  
They showed a serial killer movie on an airplane?... way to put people in a festive mood

/did they serve complimentary Bloody Marys to go with it?
//and Virgin Bloody Marys for the kidlets?
///glad I wasn't on that flight
 
2013-04-02 07:04:10 PM  

slayer199: The parents had a legitimate beef...and the Captain was a douchebag.


Every employee on that plane was a douchebag, no matter how "collegial" they sounded.  I don't need a child to justify getting a movie screen out of my face.  Fold the motherfarer up and fetch me more peanuts.
 
2013-04-02 07:17:26 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Airline is stupid for showing a PG-13 movie on a flight.

Drama queen stewardess probably blew the whole thing out of proportion to the Captain, probably told him the parents were upset and disruptive. Boo hoo.


Yeah, I strongly suspect the problem was with the stewardess, not the captain.  The captain is going to believe what his crew tells him.

ha-ha-guy: Those just fold up though, so even easier, unless someone else in that row wanted to watch the movie. I've pushed them up before on long flights without any problem. Of course I don't ask the flight attendant, I just ask the other passengers, wait for the FAs to be elsewhere, and fold it up.


It doesn't stop the movie, though.  I've been on a flight with a broken screen, you could still follow the movie on the wall.

Ambivalence: Pilots do not divert flights for rational disagreements, only for medical emergencies, mechanical malfuntions inflight or security threats so either someone was having a heart attack (completely unrelated to the Whiney couple), the "check engine" light came on, or this couple was being hostile and/or making threats.

It costs an airline money to make an emergency landing. They are not going to spend that kind of dough just because people are pouty about the movie.


I have no problem believing this did happen pretty much as stated.  The passengers argue with the flight attendant, the flight attendant reports them to the captain as not following her orders and embellishes the situation.

peterthx: Airline versions of films are routinely edited to take out any "objectionable" content. These days they rate anything a PG-13 anyway, I haven't seen Alex Cross (and probably never will) but PG-13 has been watered down so much from the original intent, which was for movies >thisclose< to being rated R but weren't. Look at the PG-13 films from when it started in the mid-80s and compare them to today. Same with the PG rating: movies that should be rated G like Kung Fu Panda get a PG now. Ridiculous.


Looking it up I can understand the parent's problem--there's a lot of violence in there.  Without the audio the rest of it won't matter.  I do think the parents objected more than is made out in the article but I seriously doubt there was anything that could reasonably be interpreted as a security threat.
 
2013-04-02 07:27:23 PM  

heili skrimsli: peterthx: Airline versions of films are routinely edited to take out any "objectionable" content.

This.

The airline version of a movie would generally be playable on TV it's so heavily edited and watered down so as not to offend anyone.

The parents who got all upset about this need to chill the fark out.


Not necessarily. I was surprised while watching Harry Wilson's War on a flight that they didn't cut out the hot tub boobies. It didn't bother me, but for a moment I wondered if it might upset the older lady sitting next to me, but she was reading a book.
 
2013-04-02 07:28:01 PM  
*Charlie Wilson's War
/ftfm
 
2013-04-02 07:49:44 PM  

Savage Bacon: Tough call. The beef is well written and seems reasonable, but this is all after the fact and only showcases the parents' point of view. When the reactions of others are mentioned, they are conveyed through said parents, thereby being subjective at best and manipulated at worst.

That the captain risked being written up for needlessly diverting his flight on a security risk that didn't exist seems unlikely. Being vindictive is one thing, but one would have to be seriously disgruntled to pull this after a simple, 'calm' verbal complaint from a couple. My money is on the parents being more 'agitated' than they let on. They even said that some of the FAs 'timed out' when the authorities got there. Why would they do that if they had dealt with pleasant, even-tempered people up until that point?


Of course, from the other angle, the FBI, Chicago Police, and Border Control all investigated and found nothing worth even charging them for.  United ate the cost.  If you're the cause of a diverted airplane, these days it's very common to be charged and handed a bill from the airline for the diversion.  Why wouldn't have they been charged if the captain had a legitimate concern?

Second, "timed out" has nothing to do with dealing with even-tempered people.  It has to do with how long the crew has been working.  There are laws governing how many hours the crew can work in a day, and if they exceed that (which is called "timing out"), the airline has to rotate in a new crew to pilot the plane to its final destination.  It's not uncommon for an unscheduled diversion to push a crew over this threshold.  Since crews aren't usually just sitting around unused, this typically results in the remainder of the flight being cancelled or hit with a massive delay while the airline flys in a replacement crew from somewhere else.
 
2013-04-02 08:06:31 PM  

cptjeff: gilgigamesh: slayer199: The parents had a legitimate beef...and the Captain was a douchebag.

Of course you have to take this with a grain of salt, but assuming the parents really did remain calm and reasonable, the captain went over the line.

I wouldn't be surprised if the diversion resulted from the parents turning into screeching hysterical banshees.

I would lay money on the hysterical banshees scenario.


Ditto. There is no way they diverted a whole flight because the parents were "I'm so sorry, but we don't want our kids watching this movie."

Pilot: That's it! [SCREECH! Flaps down! Find me an emergency runway!] You're off my plane you reasonable parents, you!
 
2013-04-02 08:07:23 PM  
This retelling is not how this incident actually unfolded.

Side point: Why should nobody get to watch the movie because you don't like it? They can't see it -- they're too short to see over the seat in front of them. And they can't hear it if they don't have earpieces. The kids had no idea what was being shown. The parents sound neurotic.

That would explain why their two little boys were "terrified" in the terminal. What were they terrified of? Plastic chairs? Beige and brown carpeting? Could it be that Mommy and Daddy made a huge farking deal on the plane, while they were being put off the plane, and while they were being processed for another flight, and the kids picked up on that? Or did Godzilla attack the terminal? Maybe that part was left out of the retelling.

These people sound desperately melodramatic.

I was married to a Continental pilot. Many of my friends are airline pilots or retired airline pilots. A lot of them are assholes (it comes with the territory), I won't deny that. But an airline pilot will not divert to another airport without a good reason. Nobody wants to explain that to their chief pilot at their base (just for starters). The exceptions cited above made the news because they are EXCEPTIONS.

However, United sucks.
 
2013-04-02 08:20:19 PM  
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2013-04-02 08:24:39 PM  
Just my opinion but the story doesn't pass the sniff test.
 
2013-04-02 08:39:22 PM  

Bastard_Lunatic: labman: Good parents would have given the kids a couple of benadryls before the flight.

YAY!!!!  I'm a good parent!!!!!



Who needs Benadryl when you've got Choctaw Bingo?
 
2013-04-02 08:54:13 PM  
How did James Fallows become a writer for the Atlantic?  It takes him forever to make a point.  I read the first two paragraphs and they said absolutely nothing.
 
2013-04-02 09:28:06 PM  

orbister: MythDragon: Was the movie being shown over Macho Grande?

No, that's a different type of flying altogether.


That's a different type of flying.

/and don't call me Shirley
 
2013-04-02 09:40:13 PM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Lucky LaRue: That husband should have told his wife to keep her slore mouth shut

Many shuvs and zhuuls agree

nice. I bet they wanted the Captain to know what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day.

/Large and moving Torg unavailable


What a large and moving Torg may look like:
www.sluggy.com
/actually it's a normal-sized Torg
//hot as Zoe
 
2013-04-02 10:51:50 PM  

boinkingbill: How did James Fallows become a writer for the Atlantic?  It takes him forever to make a point.  I read the first two paragraphs and they said absolutely nothing.


All the writers for the Atlantic take 10,000 words to say what can be said in 100 words.  They recruit for that, it seems.
 
2013-04-02 10:53:54 PM  
Kids that age are short.  They probably couldn't even see over the seats in front of them to see the screen.  And it the screen was just in front of their row, the extreme side angle would make it hard for the kids to see anything.

A diverted flight is a serious cost. Pilots don't just do it on a whim.
 
2013-04-02 10:58:16 PM  
You know, even though I have young children, I realize there are a billion kids around the world that grow up seeing poverty, brutal crime, war atrocities, etc every day, yet most of them seem to grow up to be healthy, happy, compassionate, productive human beings. Maybe it's not about what you're exposed to, but the reason for it, and how it's explained to you. Nevertheless, they shouldn't show R rated movies on flights with kids.
 
2013-04-02 11:05:40 PM  
mooo...
 
2013-04-02 11:25:48 PM  
flying gets worse every year.
 
2013-04-02 11:49:04 PM  
I flew United for the last time some years ago when a gate agent at DIA would not allow me to carry on a telescope I had brought with me to Denver -- carried on in its own case.  It fit in the overhead and did not violate the carry-on sizing rules.  I had no problem carrying it on when I boarded a United plane in Tulsa...  They forced me to check it.  it was in a soft-sided case, and I did not want to check it.  She told me I could either check it or not get on the plane.  I asked for a supervisor, and she was incredibly rude... and of course did not relent.  Since I was traveling on business with a nonrefundable ticket, and I had no other immediate avenue of recourse, I took the chance of checking it.

It was, of course, destroyed.  The baggage service person in Tulsa basically told me 'tough shiat'.  United customer service didn't even respond to me.

This was years before the guitar incident, so I could empathize with him.  Pretty sure it was before the bankruptcy, but it might have been right after; I don't recall.

I have never flown United again.  I will never fly United again.  Even when my employer's travel department tries to put me on United, I tell them that I will not fly United ever again, even on their money, and to book me on either American or Southwest.  The only other airline I've flown since (besides AA and SWA) is Alaska Airlines.  I've never had anything but good service from any of them.  Of course American has issues with delays, etc. but I'm always treated with respect and consistency.

/CSB
 
2013-04-02 11:59:26 PM  
if everyone agreed that they should show the movie and they would be ok with the screen be retracted why didnt they just cover the screen with a piece of paper?

/ someone might have some tape and if not just macgyver that shiat up there.
// captain still a flaming wad of dicks
 
2013-04-03 12:20:12 AM  
They had me on their side until they started whining about carbon footprints.
 
2013-04-03 12:34:24 AM  

Pharmdawg: You know, even though I have young children, I realize there are a billion kids around the world that grow up seeing poverty, brutal crime, war atrocities, etc every day, yet most of them seem to grow up to be healthy, happy, compassionate, productive human beings. Maybe it's not about what you're exposed to, but the reason for it, and how it's explained to you. Nevertheless, they shouldn't show R rated movies on flights with kids.


Understandable. But the movies shown on US commercial airlines are heavily edited for precisely the reason in the article. They usually get edited for an audience somewhere between a TBS Saturday afternoon and a Mormon Sunday school.


I'd bet the farm that the person who wrote the very reasonable verbiage in the article was a lot less reasonable on that flight.


You put otherwise normal individuals in a pressurized metal tube 7 miles in the air going 500 mph, sometimes they get a little weird.
 
2013-04-03 01:27:02 AM  

Ambivalence: Pilots do not divert flights for rational disagreements, only for medical emergencies, mechanical malfuntions inflight or security threats so either someone was having a heart attack (completely unrelated to the Whiney couple), the "check engine" light came on, or this couple was being hostile and/or making threats.

It costs an airline money to make an emergency landing. They are not going to spend that kind of dough just because people are pouty about the movie.


pilots now have lot of authority and little loyalty to the airline. if the FA was pissing and moaning to him about the customers and he did one of these "i'll show them baby (and screw you later due to it)" macho deals well you have what we see here.

the airlines are no longer the glory ride and pilots are just airborne bus drivers. hell look at how crappy their pay and benefits are.
 
2013-04-03 01:27:33 AM  

Paris1127: /trivia question: Airplane was offered as the in-flight movie on only one airline. What airline was it?


In 2006, there was an incident where a cruise ship suddenly listed about 15 degrees, and many people were injured. One of the passengers was quoted as saying something "it was weird that it happened today, because tonight's movie in the theater was Titanic." Whose bright farking idea was it to show that onboard?
 
2013-04-03 01:32:48 AM  

Freschel: It costs an airline money to make an emergency landing. They are not going to spend that kind of dough just because people are pouty about the movie.

10 or 20 years ago they wouldn't but this is now. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.


It probably won't be too much longer before an unruly passenger gets a bill from the airline for the extra fuel and the overtime for the crew.
 
2013-04-03 02:25:44 AM  

Lucky LaRue: I am siding with authority on this one because, when is it ever a bad idea to side with authority?  That husband should have told his wife to keep her slore mouth shut and read to the kids from the Bible.


Judges 12:5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay; 12:6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.
 
2013-04-03 06:54:24 AM  
This is a long item

And that's as far as I got.
 
2013-04-03 07:45:27 AM  

MadAzza: This retelling is not how this incident actually unfolded.

Side point: Why should nobody get to watch the movie because you don't like it? They can't see it -- they're too short to see over the seat in front of them. And they can't hear it if they don't have earpieces. The kids had no idea what was being shown. The parents sound neurotic.

That would explain why their two little boys were "terrified" in the terminal. What were they terrified of? Plastic chairs? Beige and brown carpeting? Could it be that Mommy and Daddy made a huge farking deal on the plane, while they were being put off the plane, and while they were being processed for another flight, and the kids picked up on that? Or did Godzilla attack the terminal? Maybe that part was left out of the retelling.

These people sound desperately melodramatic*

I was married to a Continental pilot. Many of my friends are airline pilots or retired airline pilots. A lot of them are assholes (it comes with the territory), I won't deny that. But an airline pilot will not divert to another airport without a good reason. Nobody wants to explain that to their chief pilot at their base (just for starters). The exceptions cited above made the news because they are EXCEPTIONS.

However, United sucks.


Point 1: Little kids will *always* zero in on the thing you don't want them to. Especially sex or violence occurring on a screen over their heads.

Point 2: You're 4 years old and a cop arrests you, mommy and daddy, forcing you and only you to get off the airplane. Yes, this is the 4 yr old's interpretation of what happened. Kids don't process events the way you do.

Yes, these are the exceptions. And exceptions are often a very very bad thing. People killing other people are the exceptions to normal interaction. We try to minimize that by not letting people get away with it.

Like I said before, I don't blame the pilot, I blame a flight attendant on a a power trip who should be fired for abuse of power. But I think the pilot DOES share the blame in that he didn't follow up on the situation that he considered so dangerous he made an emergency landing. Followed by something a comment like 'That's IT? This is not what I was told. On behalf of the airline, I apologize. This is NOT how we treat our fliers. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go punch Sally Stewardess in the neck.'

Would have made all the difference.
 
2013-04-03 07:50:36 AM  

ElFugawz: if everyone agreed that they should show the movie and they would be ok with the screen be retracted why didnt they just cover the screen with a piece of paper?

/ someone might have some tape and if not just macgyver that shiat up there.
// captain still a flaming wad of dicks


unauthorized repair/modification of equipment outside union rules.  I've sat on a runway for 40 minutes waiting for 2 guys to come on the plane and duct tape an overhead bin closed.
 
2013-04-05 02:12:28 PM  
I took an AmTrak train from Grand Junction, CO to Denver back in the '80s. It was probably over a 6 hour trip, but I really don't remember. Anyway, two families with a total of 4 kids were on the same car. I remember the mother calling out to one boy by the name of "Sturgeon", I shiat you not. They were singing stuff like "Michael Row Your Boat Ashore" for like an hour before I could not take it anymore. Left my seat to go to the club car and get plastered. I had left a National Lampoon magazine out, for those of you old enough to remember it was the one with Pinochio on the cover. I also left a thing of lip balm on top of it. When I got back a few hours later, my magazine and lip balm had been placed in the over-head bin. Then one of the mothers came to me and tore into me like I was John Wayne Gacy. Being the good natured drunk I am, I waited until she was done. Then my outrage clicked in. I ripped back at her telling her that she would tether the little farkers and teach them manners about invading people's personal space, she wouldn't have to worry about.  Also told her if I had to listen to one more fricking sing-along things would get ugly. We all sat for about an hour in silence until getting to Denver.
 
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