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(Slate)   It's official, the only remaining Democrats that do not support marriage equality are from states that have more people than teeth   (slate.com) divider line 104
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2013-04-02 01:34:51 PM
Time keeps marching on. You gonna march along with it, or be dragged kicking and screaming?
 
2013-04-02 01:42:53 PM
Delaware has a lot of old people, so of course he wouldn't support gay marriage.
 
2013-04-02 01:46:37 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Delaware has a lot of old people, so of course he wouldn't support gay marriage.


Didn't read the whole article did you?

Tom Carper: (D-Delaware): As our society has changed and evolved, so too has the public's opinion on gay marriage - and so has mine. I pray every day for God to grant me the wisdom to do what is right. Through my prayers and conversations with my family and countless friends and Delawareans, I've been reminded of the power of one of my core values: the Golden Rule. It calls on us to treat others as we want to be treated. That means, to me, that all Americans ultimately should be free to marry the people they love and intend to share their lives with, regardless of their sexual orientation, and that's why today, after a great deal of soul searching, I'm endorsing marriage equality.

About damn time one of them actually referred to the New Testament.
 
2013-04-02 01:52:48 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Delaware has a lot of old people, so of course he wouldn't support gay marriage.


Delaware has three counties. The northernmost, New Castle, is somewhat like a suburb of Philly, and is reasonably progressive.

The southern border of NC county to the two 'southern' counties is actually a transdimensional warp field to somewhere in rural Kentucky, only with a beach.
 
2013-04-02 01:54:57 PM

scottydoesntknow: DjangoStonereaver: Delaware has a lot of old people, so of course he wouldn't support gay marriage.

Didn't read the whole article did you?

Tom Carper: (D-Delaware): As our society has changed and evolved, so too has the public's opinion on gay marriage - and so has mine. I pray every day for God to grant me the wisdom to do what is right. Through my prayers and conversations with my family and countless friends and Delawareans, I've been reminded of the power of one of my core values: the Golden Rule. It calls on us to treat others as we want to be treated. That means, to me, that all Americans ultimately should be free to marry the people they love and intend to share their lives with, regardless of their sexual orientation, and that's why today, after a great deal of soul searching, I'm endorsing marriage equality.

About damn time one of them actually referred to the New Testament.


D'OH!

Still Gilgigamesh pegged DE correctly:

gilgigamesh:Delaware has three counties. The northernmost, New Castle, is somewhat like a suburb of Philly, and is reasonably progressive.

The southern border of NC county to the two 'southern' counties is actually a transdimensional warp field to somewhere in rural Kentucky, only with a beach.
 
2013-04-02 01:56:56 PM
McCain looks like the heroine is juuuuuust kicking in.

www.slate.com
 
2013-04-02 01:57:28 PM

DjangoStonereaver: D'OH!

Still Gilgigamesh pegged DE correctly:


Ohh definitely. It is surprising that he changed, and I'm glad that he did.
 
2013-04-02 01:59:53 PM
Only three of them are up for re-election next year.
 
2013-04-02 02:02:32 PM
I think more of this has to do with the type of constituents they represent moreso than personal beliefs.

Folks like Nelson and Landrieu never struck me as Bible Thumpers.
 
2013-04-02 02:04:01 PM
Subby, it's the "tooth-to-tattoo" ratio. Learn it, know it.

// I know people that used this informal metric as a baseline when doing cognitive assessments of military folk - when all you have is a record showing both a GED and a TBI, it can be tough to tell without outside help
 
2013-04-02 02:05:36 PM

Mrtraveler01: I think more of this has to do with the type of constituents they represent moreso than personal beliefs.

Folks like Nelson and Landrieu never struck me as Bible Thumpers.


To be fair, these politicians only have one guiding personal belief and that is "I want to keep this job because I have no useful, marketable skills in any other arena." Sure, all of them have other beliefs, but that one seems to be numero uno.
 
2013-04-02 02:07:19 PM
Actually, I should hope that every state has more people than it does teeth. That'd be a pretty freaking terrifying looking state if it had teeth....
 
2013-04-02 02:07:48 PM
Also on the list

Sen. Joe Donnelly of Indiana. Up for re-election in 2018.

God dammit. The guy is Diet Republican, but I was hoping it was half the crazy, all the tax cuts variety.
 
2013-04-02 02:09:03 PM

gilgigamesh: DjangoStonereaver: Delaware has a lot of old people, so of course he wouldn't support gay marriage.

Delaware has three counties. The northernmost, New Castle, is somewhat like a suburb of Philly, and is reasonably progressive.

The southern border of NC county to the two 'southern' counties is actually a transdimensional warp field to somewhere in rural Kentucky, only with a beach.


True...but Sussex county is home to Rehoboth Beach area. Some of the more refined people of slower lower delaware refer to it as Rehomo beach. I think its awesome that Carper stepped up and did the right thing. He will win NC county easily, good amount around Dover, and now the Coastal Beach areas.
 
2013-04-02 02:14:52 PM
I guess I need to write an actual letter to Bill Nelson rather than tweeting in his general direction each time another senator that's not him switches sides.
 
2013-04-02 02:15:39 PM
There is a strong correlation with bigotry and low educational attainment. This is why conservatives don't like funding public schools, they limit their future supporters by educating the peasants.
 
2013-04-02 02:16:18 PM

gilgigamesh: DjangoStonereaver: Delaware has a lot of old people, so of course he wouldn't support gay marriage.

Delaware has three counties. The northernmost, New Castle, is somewhat like a suburb of Philly, and is reasonably progressive.

The southern border of NC county to the two 'southern' counties is actually a transdimensional warp field to somewhere in rural Kentucky, only with a beach.


Vicco?
 
2013-04-02 02:23:03 PM
As long as they dump DOMA for a real law that penalizes straight couples as a group for producing so many gay babies.   Just reversing DOMA to exclude straight couples and legitimize gay married couples would see a whole lot fewer gay kids produced to married couples.
 
2013-04-02 02:23:41 PM
Wait subby, are you saying that support in congress roughly mirrors regional polling data?  What an amazing coincidence.
 
2013-04-02 02:24:15 PM

Citrate1007: There is a strong correlation with bigotry and low educational attainment. This is why conservatives don't like funding public schools, they limit their future supporters by educating the peasants.


See Santorum statement on not being the party of the educated elite then wipe him off on the curtains.
 
2013-04-02 02:25:48 PM

Nadie_AZ: McCain looks like the heroine is juuuuuust kicking in.

[www.slate.com image 568x346]


i.imgur.com
You mean heroin?
 
2013-04-02 02:26:34 PM

rynthetyn: I guess I need to write an actual letter to Bill Nelson rather than tweeting in his general direction each time another senator that's not him switches sides.


Write a letter to Mike Nelson instead. You'll probably get a much better response, and have the same effect on politics.

// croooooooooooow!
 
2013-04-02 02:27:57 PM

Philip J. Fry: Nadie_AZ: McCain looks like the heroine is juuuuuust kicking in.

[www.slate.com image 568x346]

[i.imgur.com image 650x366]
You mean heroin?


Nope, John has a semi.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-02 02:35:27 PM
See?  The democrats are the real homophobes.  Those 43 remaining republicans will sign on soon.
 
2013-04-02 02:38:36 PM

Lord_Baull: Only three of them are up for re-election next year.


And one is not up for re-election at all.  He should be all, "Wooo Hooo!  Drugs, sex, rock & roll, KARL FARKING MARX!  Choke on it, soon-to-be-ex-constituents!"
 
2013-04-02 02:40:44 PM

rynthetyn: I guess I need to write an actual letter to Bill Nelson rather than tweeting in his general direction each time another senator that's not him switches sides.


I just finished mine. He has 6 years before re-election he needs to take a stand.
 
2013-04-02 02:42:41 PM

Lord_Baull: Only three of them are up for re-election next year.


And I wouldn't be surprised if the others just won campaigns while talking about the sanctity of marriage. They have to wait until the SCOTUS strikes down DOMA. Then they'll change their tune.
 
2013-04-02 02:44:43 PM

tartie_pants: rynthetyn: I guess I need to write an actual letter to Bill Nelson rather than tweeting in his general direction each time another senator that's not him switches sides.

I just finished mine. He has 6 years before re-election he needs to take a stand.


Yeah, there is no reason whatsoever for him not to, except that he's buddies with The Family. But then, he runs in those circles and is still pro-abortion so that's not an excuse.
 
2013-04-02 02:53:37 PM

Nadie_AZ: McCain looks like the heroine is juuuuuust kicking in.

[www.slate.com image 568x346]


female heroin?
 
2013-04-02 03:01:49 PM
 
2013-04-02 03:07:12 PM

tartie_pants: rynthetyn: I guess I need to write an actual letter to Bill Nelson rather than tweeting in his general direction each time another senator that's not him switches sides.

I just finished mine. He has 6 years before re-election he needs to take a stand.


Just called his office. I figured that since a lot of activist groups are sending out messages to email him, a phone call makes it clear that it's not just a form.
 
2013-04-02 03:13:32 PM

rynthetyn: tartie_pants: rynthetyn: I guess I need to write an actual letter to Bill Nelson rather than tweeting in his general direction each time another senator that's not him switches sides.

I just finished mine. He has 6 years before re-election he needs to take a stand.

Just called his office. I figured that since a lot of activist groups are sending out messages to email him, a phone call makes it clear that it's not just a form.


There's no way he doesn't get on the right side of this issue shortly...I would be shocked at any rate if he doesn't
 
2013-04-02 03:14:53 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Also on the list

Sen. Joe Donnelly of Indiana. Up for re-election in 2018.

God dammit. The guy is Diet Republican, but I was hoping it was half the crazy, all the tax cuts variety.


Yeah, as a fellow Indiana resident, Joe Donnelly IS a Republican.  Or, at least he would have been about 25 years ago.

I'm not much of an "in name only" type of person, but I really don't know what Donnelly has in common with the Democratic Party at all.
 
2013-04-02 03:19:47 PM
In fairness, they are being faithful representatives of their ignorant white-trash constituencies.
 
2013-04-02 03:20:29 PM

jackrazz: I'm not much of an "in name only" type of person, but I really don't know what Donnelly has in common with the Democratic Party at all.


Labor issues, he's a Catholic Union man.

Car_Ramrod: Time keeps marching on. You gonna march along with it, or be dragged kicking and screaming?


Yes eventually however please Democratic Strategists, please do not try to 'primary these people out'. See what the GOP has done in the last 8 years? Yeah lets NOT do that and try to force out entire party to be pure, because doing that works sooooo well.

If they don't come out, then they don't come out.

Remember people Big Tent
 
2013-04-02 03:22:56 PM

gimmeafarkinname: rynthetyn: tartie_pants: rynthetyn: I guess I need to write an actual letter to Bill Nelson rather than tweeting in his general direction each time another senator that's not him switches sides.

I just finished mine. He has 6 years before re-election he needs to take a stand.

Just called his office. I figured that since a lot of activist groups are sending out messages to email him, a phone call makes it clear that it's not just a form.

There's no way he doesn't get on the right side of this issue shortly...I would be shocked at any rate if he doesn't


He better. It's getting ridiculous at this point.
 
2013-04-02 03:31:12 PM
By the way, people are currently twitterbombing @SenBillNelson with the hashtag #TimeToEvolve. Not that twitterbombing actually works, but since none of the righties are tweeting at him maybe it will do something. I really don't want my state to be even more of a joke than it is.
 
2013-04-02 03:34:39 PM

Car_Ramrod: Time keeps marching on. You gonna march along with it, or be dragged kicking and screaming?


Go read the comments on Hot Air to a Republican coming out to support same-sex marriage. There are PLENTY of people who continue to treat homosexuals as less than human. Not just "I'm against it for religious reasons"...
 
2013-04-02 03:35:20 PM

Nadie_AZ: McCain looks like the heroine is juuuuuust kicking in.

[www.slate.com image 568x346]


HAW!! Good observation...

/there's your PTSD therapy...
 
2013-04-02 03:36:15 PM

Dr Dreidel: rynthetyn: I guess I need to write an actual letter to Bill Nelson rather than tweeting in his general direction each time another senator that's not him switches sides.

Write a letter to Mike Nelson instead. You'll probably get a much better response, and have the same effect on politics.

// croooooooooooow!


Mike Nelson is not a friend of marriage equality.
 
2013-04-02 03:38:21 PM
I really wish the Democratic party would pull its wagons into a circle and purge the social conservatives. Would be fantastic.
 
2013-04-02 03:39:37 PM

mediablitz: Car_Ramrod: Time keeps marching on. You gonna march along with it, or be dragged kicking and screaming?

Go read the comments on Hot Air to a Republican coming out to support same-sex marriage. There are PLENTY of people who continue to treat homosexuals as less than human. Not just "I'm against it for religious reasons"...


No, thank you. I don't need a rage-induced heart attack today.
 
2013-04-02 03:41:36 PM

Car_Ramrod: mediablitz: Car_Ramrod: Time keeps marching on. You gonna march along with it, or be dragged kicking and screaming?

Go read the comments on Hot Air to a Republican coming out to support same-sex marriage. There are PLENTY of people who continue to treat homosexuals as less than human. Not just "I'm against it for religious reasons"...

No, thank you. I don't need a rage-induced heart attack today.


Ditto. My facebook newsfeed from last week was bad enough.
 
2013-04-02 03:45:36 PM

whidbey: I really wish the Democratic party would pull its wagons into a circle and purge the social conservatives. Would be fantastic.


Yeah, because the RINO purge has worked wonders for the GOP. Or is it your goal to have two equally dysfunctional parties so a third is born that actually represents the non-wakado middle?
 
2013-04-02 03:50:21 PM

usernameguy: Dr Dreidel: rynthetyn: I guess I need to write an actual letter to Bill Nelson rather than tweeting in his general direction each time another senator that's not him switches sides.

Write a letter to Mike Nelson instead. You'll probably get a much better response, and have the same effect on politics.

// croooooooooooow!

Mike Nelson is not a friend of marriage equality.


Oh, I knew he was a fundie, I just thought he might be one of the "but seriously - secular country, secular marriage, who cares?" types.

// ugh, and he's a Prager fan, too
 
2013-04-02 03:54:43 PM

lockers: whidbey: I really wish the Democratic party would pull its wagons into a circle and purge the social conservatives. Would be fantastic.

Yeah, because the RINO purge has worked wonders for the GOP. Or is it your goal to have two equally dysfunctional parties so a third is born that actually represents the non-wakado middle?


Because having a bunch of homphobic right wing whackos in your political party is healthy diversity. Purging them would plunge it into socio-political dysfunction. Yeah, I'm loving that logic.
 
2013-04-02 04:01:43 PM
Bill Nelson...FU
Stupid jerk and his staff that I have met with in D.C. and via phone sucks too.
They are a bunch of ass monkeys who don't really care about their constituency. They hold their political finger to the wind to determine their position.  The man lost my vote on my last vist to his senate office. If it becomes politically advantageous for him, he will switch positions on anything so if this ever comes to any kind of situation where a vote is involved, he will vote for the side that is sure to win.  No conviction on anything other than aerospace contracts.
 
2013-04-02 04:02:49 PM
In 20 years, you will be hard-pressed to find someone in polite company willing to admit they opposed gay marriage.
 
2013-04-02 04:04:39 PM

whidbey: lockers: whidbey: I really wish the Democratic party would pull its wagons into a circle and purge the social conservatives. Would be fantastic.

Yeah, because the RINO purge has worked wonders for the GOP. Or is it your goal to have two equally dysfunctional parties so a third is born that actually represents the non-wakado middle?

Because having a bunch of homphobic right wing whackos in your political party is healthy diversity. Purging them would plunge it into socio-political dysfunction. Yeah, I'm loving that logic.


I'd prefer converting them to expelling them from the party. There really is value in diversity of beliefs, just not ALL beliefs.
 
2013-04-02 04:04:46 PM

whidbey: lockers: whidbey: I really wish the Democratic party would pull its wagons into a circle and purge the social conservatives. Would be fantastic.

Yeah, because the RINO purge has worked wonders for the GOP. Or is it your goal to have two equally dysfunctional parties so a third is born that actually represents the non-wakado middle?

Because having a bunch of homphobic right wing whackos in your political party is healthy diversity. Purging them would plunge it into socio-political dysfunction. Yeah, I'm loving that logic.


Ideological purity is one thing the democrats lack, and that is a good thing. I'm sure the homophobes and racists are the most detestable of the bunch, but I bet you could find all sorts of democrats whose various specific beliefs and ideas are detestable to you personally. Purity tests of any sort are likely to have a result you neither anticipate nor desire. They are also likely to breed a party of non-compromising idealism. The republicans are exactly that, bred by purity tests into a non-functional party.

I'm sure your purity tests are different, ho ho ho. You'll be the exception that proves the rule.
 
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