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2013-04-02 10:22:23 AM
I don't understand some of his later examples. "That was an epic failure" for example. Failure has been a noun for a long time.
 
2013-04-02 10:46:10 AM

MadSkillz: I don't understand some of his later examples. "That was an epic failure" for example. Failure has been a noun for a long time.


He mentions the fact that failure has been a noun for a long time, but makes the point that fail as a noun was around before failure. But he's also drawing a distinction between the two different kinds of nominalizations with those examples. The kind where you don't change the verb at all and use it as a noun, "epic fail", and the kind where you add a suffix to it to make it a noun, "epic failure".
 
2013-04-02 12:18:31 PM
Or, to quote a song that was recently a No. 1 hit in Britain, "Would you let me see beneath your beautiful?"

That's just awful.
 
2013-04-02 12:57:28 PM
That article gets me right in the feels.
 
2013-04-02 01:56:56 PM
People called Romanes, they go, the house?
 
2013-04-02 02:02:51 PM
www.unmemorabletitle.co.uk
 
2013-04-02 02:05:55 PM
FTFA: The argument for doing this is that the first version is weaker: dynamic writing makes use of "stronger" verbs.

In English, I find that to be true. English places such a high value on "word order" in lieu of declension that the power of verbs is magnified. If English retained German-style declensions for nouns there might be more flexibility. As it is---verb usage really makes or breaks a sentence's impactation. Cromulently.
 
2013-04-02 02:10:46 PM

ITGreen: [www.unmemorabletitle.co.uk image 800x273]


See, that's the thing. We already manipulate verbs in that way all the time in English as gerunds and participles.
 
2013-04-02 02:11:14 PM

ITGreen: [www.unmemorabletitle.co.uk image 800x273]


assets0.ordienetworks.com
 
2013-04-02 02:11:31 PM
www.blisspost.org

Is amused by this.
 
2013-04-02 02:14:48 PM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-02 02:20:52 PM
Look, it's really quite simple. There are a whole lot of stupid people out there. But we can't limit talking to just smart people; dumb people need to be able to communicate too. And this is how they do it. From a sociological perspective it's really quite interesting. From any other perspective, it makes me want to kill someone.
 
2013-04-02 02:21:43 PM
Somehow, that article made me feel dirty.
 
2013-04-02 02:22:32 PM
Bah- wake me up when they start using ablative absolutes.

/which, having been introduced during the second week of Latin class, drove the students insane
 
2013-04-02 02:23:15 PM
I think we should parking-lot this discussion until tomorrow.
 
2013-04-02 02:25:18 PM
Sometimes it works the other way.  "Graphics interface" became "graphical interface". Who cares.  I'm going to go open a bottle of my Gerund Organism Vineyards muscatino.
 
2013-04-02 02:26:10 PM
I like you subby because of the interesting word usements you structure.
 
2013-04-02 02:26:43 PM
my grandfather corrected my grammar in the early 80s when i went to a golf course with him.  He said, "You don't 'golf', you play golf.  It isn't a verb."  As much as he was technically correct circa 1940 that usage went the way of the dodo long before that.  He was just trying to teach me the usage he learned 50 years earlier.
 
2013-04-02 02:28:40 PM
So, what now? The English language is deriving by zero?
 
2013-04-02 02:29:08 PM

The Flexecutioner: my grandfather corrected my grammar in the early 80s when i went to a golf course with him.  He said, "You don't 'golf', you play golf.  It isn't a verb."  As much as he was technically correct circa 1940 that usage went the way of the dodo long before that.  He was just trying to teach me the usage he learned 50 years earlier.


I don't golf, I soccer.

(She hates it.)
 
2013-04-02 02:29:23 PM

Stoj: I think we should parking-lot this discussion until tomorrow.


I keel you
 
2013-04-02 02:30:01 PM
Also, it is exceptionally difficult not to punch people who use the word "dialogue" as a verb.  That only works as a stage direction.
 
2013-04-02 02:30:33 PM
graphics8.nytimes.com

Missing Panels:

The Public Announcement / You're Kidding, right?
The Starved to Death
Working 20 years in IT waiting for the market to catch up to you
 
GBB
2013-04-02 02:31:43 PM
What is the ask?
www.lrionline.com
 
2013-04-02 02:34:26 PM
I feel bad for people trying to learn English when crap like this goes around.
 
2013-04-02 02:35:19 PM
One that drives me crazy at work: "Are you going to send a meeting invite?" No, but I will send a meeting invitation.
 
2013-04-02 02:38:12 PM
Mellow greetings. What seems to be your boggle?
 
2013-04-02 02:38:27 PM
Shakespeared
 
2013-04-02 02:38:46 PM
 
2013-04-02 02:39:25 PM

RougeFemme: One that drives me crazy at work: "Are you going to send a meeting invite?" No, but I will send a meeting invitation.


You should blog about it.
 
2013-04-02 02:40:01 PM
Next up:

findicons.com h8 rebfindicons.com
 
2013-04-02 02:40:04 PM
I like money.
 
2013-04-02 02:40:20 PM
Even the White House is getting in on the act, describing the "disconnect" between North Korea's rhetoric and action.

I recently talked to an old college buddy who now heads a marketing division of some corporation and he was telling me all about his "spend."  Like "advertising is a big percentage of our spend."  I was wondering, what ever happened to the word "budget"?
 
2013-04-02 02:40:49 PM

chaddsfarkprefect: Shakespeared


FTFY
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-02 02:41:15 PM

Harry Freakstorm: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 592x683]

Missing Panels:

The Public Announcement / You're Kidding, right?
The Starved to Death
Working 20 years in IT waiting for the market to catch up to you


I like nouning verbs when I can.

/And sometimes when I bottle.
 
2013-04-02 02:41:32 PM
This has been incredibly impactful.


(as long as we're tossing out corporate idiot-speak)
 
2013-04-02 02:45:50 PM

netgamer7k: I feel bad for people trying to learn English when crap like this goes around.


I don't, at least not for this. English is one of the few languages where making up and adding words is perfectly cromulent. If you don't like the English word use some other language's and as long as English speakers understand you then voila, it's English.

English consists almost entirely of stolen, mangled, or made-up vocabulary.
 
2013-04-02 02:46:23 PM
Ah, language evolution.  Grammar Nazis will tell you to always use proper forms, but slang develops from people adding meaning to words that didn't normally have them.  "Friend" used to only be a noun, but now it's a verb. (Friend me on Facebook)  If you use a dictionary to look up "jiggy," what will you find?

As an ESL teacher, I can sympathize with people who hate the process of nominalization, but you can't stifle language evolution. If you say "Stop saying YOLO," do you honestly think people will?  Language use changes over time.  When was the last time you used "cowabunga" in a conversation?  Or used a phrase like "throw the baby out with the bathwater?"  Yosemite Sam uses "tarnation," do you?

If these nominalized words annoy you, it sucks to be you.  I guess you should stop using "Long time no see," since it's grammatically incorrect.  After all, that phrase is a direct translation from Chinese.
 
2013-04-02 02:49:26 PM
I bet Henry Hitchings is real fun at parties.
 
2013-04-02 02:49:42 PM
"Disrespect" always used bug me. Still does, but at least now I know it's older than I thought.

Unnecessarily embiggened verbs like "utilize" and "commentate" make people sound dumber than they realize.
 
2013-04-02 02:50:08 PM

Super Chronic: Even the White House is getting in on the act, describing the "disconnect" between North Korea's rhetoric and action.

I recently talked to an old college buddy who now heads a marketing division of some corporation and he was telling me all about his "spend."  Like "advertising is a big percentage of our spend."  I was wondering, what ever happened to the word "budget"?


I feel that way about the word foodie.  Who wants to be called that?  The words gourmet or epicure convey the proper amount of snootiness.  Foodie smacks of illiteracy and sounds like it belongs in a vernacular where interjections like "Me like food, me foodie" are commonplace.
 
2013-04-02 02:51:09 PM

FatherChaos: If you use a dictionary to look up "jiggy," what will you find?


An unemployed English major in the mirror.
 
2013-04-02 02:54:04 PM
I don't catch his drift.
 
2013-04-02 02:56:47 PM

FatherChaos: If these nominalized words annoy you, it sucks to be you. I guess you should stop using "Long time no see," since it's grammatically incorrect. After all, that phrase is a direct translation from Chinese.


I believe the original Chinese is "wrong time no see".
 
2013-04-02 02:56:51 PM
www.toothpastefordinner.com
 
2013-04-02 02:57:41 PM
dyfsunctional:

Unnecessarily embiggened verbs like "utilize" and "commentate" make people sound dumber than they realize.

The term "Physicality" drives me bat shiat crazy.  NCAA tournament commentators spew that shiat out every few minutes.
 
2013-04-02 02:59:07 PM
Language changes over time.
You'll get over it.
 
2013-04-02 02:59:28 PM
This thread is full of win.
 
2013-04-02 02:59:29 PM
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/The king of wordifying everyday speechifications.
 
2013-04-02 03:02:25 PM

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/The king of wordifying everyday speechifications.


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