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2013-04-02 12:46:20 PM
But March, in particular, brought good news for the city and its beleaguered police force: murders down 69 percent, with 36 fewer people slain than in March 2012.

I have to wonder if it's because the weather in March has been particularly shiatty, especially compared to last year, so not as many people are outside to get shot.

If it's because of specific actions our police and city have taken, that's awesome. But I'm not exactly convinced.
 
2013-04-02 12:50:47 PM
And on the day that Mayor Rahm Emanuel and McCarthy announced the new crime stats, they also had to answer questions about a wild weekend melee by teenagers along the city's Magnificent Mile.

Damn, I didn't even hear about this.

Police responded to reports of disturbances around 6:30 p.m. Saturday near Michigan and Chicago avenues. They said a number of teens took to the streets and started fighting.

Police said 28 teens were arrested during the incident and charged with misdemeanor reckless conduct and battery and later released, according to Police News Affairs. Eleven other teens were charged with misdemeanor charges after they allegedly attacked a group of women on the Chicago Transit Authority's Red Line, police said.


That's messed up and very bad for the city. If tourists don't feel safe in daylight along one of the busiest and most well known streets in our city, they'll stop coming here, and that's bad news for our economy. We need to get our shiat together, and fast.
 
2013-04-02 01:02:04 PM

Car_Ramrod: I have to wonder if it's because the weather in March has been particularly shiatty, especially compared to last year, so not as many people are outside to get shot.


I was thinking the exact same thing when I heard this story on the radio this morning.
 
2013-04-02 01:03:52 PM

Car_Ramrod: But March, in particular, brought good news for the city and its beleaguered police force: murders down 69 percent, with 36 fewer people slain than in March 2012.

I have to wonder if it's because the weather in March has been particularly shiatty, especially compared to last year, so not as many people are outside to get shot.

If it's because of specific actions our police and city have taken, that's awesome. But I'm not exactly convinced.


"Man, I gotta go off this dude cause he been messin with my hoes. But not today, it's too cold..."
 
2013-04-02 01:05:34 PM

cantthinkofafarkingname: Car_Ramrod: But March, in particular, brought good news for the city and its beleaguered police force: murders down 69 percent, with 36 fewer people slain than in March 2012.

I have to wonder if it's because the weather in March has been particularly shiatty, especially compared to last year, so not as many people are outside to get shot.

If it's because of specific actions our police and city have taken, that's awesome. But I'm not exactly convinced.

"Man, I gotta go off this dude cause he been messin with my hoes. But not today, it's too cold..."


Hell, it took a lot for me to go outside to go to work most days, I can't imagine the pep-talk you'd have to give yourself to go outside in zero degree windchills just to kill someone. Fark that, he can live until May.
 
2013-04-02 01:05:36 PM

Arkanaut: Car_Ramrod: I have to wonder if it's because the weather in March has been particularly shiatty, especially compared to last year, so not as many people are outside to get shot.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I heard this story on the radio this morning.


You can test this theory and see if night club shootings are down.
 
2013-04-02 01:07:10 PM

Arkanaut: Car_Ramrod: I have to wonder if it's because the weather in March has been particularly shiatty, especially compared to last year, so not as many people are outside to get shot.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I heard this story on the radio this morning.


hay, if they are locked up and can't go outside crime goes down
 
2013-04-02 01:07:19 PM

Car_Ramrod: But March, in particular, brought good news for the city and its beleaguered police force: murders down 69 percent, with 36 fewer people slain than in March 2012.

I have to wonder if it's because the weather in March has been particularly shiatty, especially compared to last year, so not as many people are outside to get shot.

If it's because of specific actions our police and city have taken, that's awesome. But I'm not exactly convinced.


My girlfriend works for the newspaper and she has to listen to the police band monitoring this kind of stuff. She swears it's the weather. When there is a warm day, crime is all over the place. When it's cold, it drops like a rock apparently. Can't say I blame the gangbangers. If I'm going to shoot someone, might as well be comfortable while I'm doing it. Weather last March was much warmer, like almost summertime warm. The average temp last year exceeded all but two days this march.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-31/news/ct-met-march-weat he r-record-20120331_1_national-weather-service-warmest-average-daily-tem perature

Definitely beats out the shiat we had this March:

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/chicago-il/60608/march-weather/3483 08
 
2013-04-02 01:07:19 PM
Nothing like a good massage.........of the stats.
 
2013-04-02 01:07:47 PM
Maybe they ran out of bullets...
 
2013-04-02 01:08:18 PM
It's always been bad there. I remember the day that Mad Dog shot J.J. down on the street.
 
2013-04-02 01:08:35 PM

Car_Ramrod: And on the day that Mayor Rahm Emanuel and McCarthy announced the new crime stats, they also had to answer questions about a wild weekend melee by teenagers along the city's Magnificent Mile.

Damn, I didn't even hear about this.

Police responded to reports of disturbances around 6:30 p.m. Saturday near Michigan and Chicago avenues. They said a number of teens took to the streets and started fighting.

Police said 28 teens were arrested during the incident and charged with misdemeanor reckless conduct and battery and later released, according to Police News Affairs. Eleven other teens were charged with misdemeanor charges after they allegedly attacked a group of women on the Chicago Transit Authority's Red Line, police said.

That's messed up and very bad for the city. If tourists don't feel safe in daylight along one of the busiest and most well known streets in our city, they'll stop coming here, and that's bad news for our economy. We need to get our shiat together, and fast.


Chicago is facing a huge turning point right now. The 90's and 2000's were great for Chicago as other cities floundered or barely held their own. But if this continues things could go downhill very quickly.
 
2013-04-02 01:10:01 PM
They all coming to MPLS
 
2013-04-02 01:10:20 PM

mjohnson71: Car_Ramrod: And on the day that Mayor Rahm Emanuel and McCarthy announced the new crime stats, they also had to answer questions about a wild weekend melee by teenagers along the city's Magnificent Mile.

Damn, I didn't even hear about this.

Police responded to reports of disturbances around 6:30 p.m. Saturday near Michigan and Chicago avenues. They said a number of teens took to the streets and started fighting.

Police said 28 teens were arrested during the incident and charged with misdemeanor reckless conduct and battery and later released, according to Police News Affairs. Eleven other teens were charged with misdemeanor charges after they allegedly attacked a group of women on the Chicago Transit Authority's Red Line, police said.

That's messed up and very bad for the city. If tourists don't feel safe in daylight along one of the busiest and most well known streets in our city, they'll stop coming here, and that's bad news for our economy. We need to get our shiat together, and fast.

Chicago is facing a huge turning point right now. The 90's and 2000's were great for Chicago as other cities floundered or barely held their own. But if this continues things could go downhill very quickly.


I mean this kind of shiat has been happening the last two or three years. Short of camping SWAT and paddy wagons on Michigan ave, which they more or less already do, I'm not really sure what can be done. Hell sometimes the Chicago and State red line stop looks like a police station parking lot.
 
2013-04-02 01:10:29 PM
I'm in favor of letting gang members shoot each other, but those guys have terrible marksmanship.
Too much collateral damage, and too many cases of mistaken identity.
 
2013-04-02 01:10:42 PM

Car_Ramrod: If it's because of specific actions our police and city have taken, that's awesome. But I'm not exactly convinced.


Considering the weather wasn't exactly nice back in January when the murder rate was quite high? It's not weather.
 
2013-04-02 01:11:48 PM
One of the gangs probably won.
 
2013-04-02 01:12:22 PM
 
2013-04-02 01:14:00 PM

WhyteRaven74: Car_Ramrod: If it's because of specific actions our police and city have taken, that's awesome. But I'm not exactly convinced.

Considering the weather wasn't exactly nice back in January when the murder rate was quite high? It's not weather.


Weather was unseasonably warm on the first two or three weekends, which is when most of the murders occurred IIRC. I tried to doublecheck but I can't find a working version of the  redeye homicide tracker.
 
2013-04-02 01:14:28 PM
Another liberal victory proving their ideas work. Please ignore any future increases.
 
2013-04-02 01:16:59 PM
Police responded to reports of disturbances around 6:30 p.m. Saturday near Michigan and Chicago avenues. They said a number of teens took to the streets and started fighting.

Police said 28 teens were arrested during the incident and charged with misdemeanor reckless conduct and battery and later released, according to Police News Affairs. Eleven other teens were charged with misdemeanor charges after they allegedly attacked a group of women on the Chicago Transit Authority's Red Line, police said.


Actual number of teens involved 300-400. Walking down the "miracle mile" attacking innocent people. And what was the police response? Stick them on the red line ....where they attacked people on the red line. Real good police work there Lou.
 
2013-04-02 01:18:39 PM

redmid17: WhyteRaven74: Car_Ramrod: If it's because of specific actions our police and city have taken, that's awesome. But I'm not exactly convinced.

Considering the weather wasn't exactly nice back in January when the murder rate was quite high? It's not weather.

Weather was unseasonably warm on the first two or three weekends, which is when most of the murders occurred IIRC. I tried to doublecheck but I can't find a working version of the  redeye homicide tracker.


Just double checked the spreadsheet version of the DB redeye maintains. 2/3 of the murders occurred in the first 2-3 weeks of January when we had the warmer than average weather.
 
2013-04-02 01:19:33 PM

Walker: Police responded to reports of disturbances around 6:30 p.m. Saturday near Michigan and Chicago avenues. They said a number of teens took to the streets and started fighting.

Police said 28 teens were arrested during the incident and charged with misdemeanor reckless conduct and battery and later released, according to Police News Affairs. Eleven other teens were charged with misdemeanor charges after they allegedly attacked a group of women on the Chicago Transit Authority's Red Line, police said.

Actual number of teens involved 300-400. Walking down the "miracle mile" attacking innocent people. And what was the police response? Stick them on the red line ....where they attacked people on the red line. Real good police work there Lou.


Residential builds were locking front access doors this weekend.
 
2013-04-02 01:20:02 PM
I got into an argument last year, where I was saying that the rise of shooting in Chicago last march was due to the extremely warm weather that month. I was told that it was due to Chicago's gun control policy and refusal to adopt poor-CCW laws.

I suppose this year the argument will be "where's your global warming NOW!"
 
2013-04-02 01:21:08 PM
Snow = footprints (leading away from the victim)
 
2013-04-02 01:22:57 PM
wait till it warms up
 
2013-04-02 01:23:42 PM

mjohnson71: Car_Ramrod: And on the day that Mayor Rahm Emanuel and McCarthy announced the new crime stats, they also had to answer questions about a wild weekend melee by teenagers along the city's Magnificent Mile.

Damn, I didn't even hear about this.

Police responded to reports of disturbances around 6:30 p.m. Saturday near Michigan and Chicago avenues. They said a number of teens took to the streets and started fighting.

Police said 28 teens were arrested during the incident and charged with misdemeanor reckless conduct and battery and later released, according to Police News Affairs. Eleven other teens were charged with misdemeanor charges after they allegedly attacked a group of women on the Chicago Transit Authority's Red Line, police said.

That's messed up and very bad for the city. If tourists don't feel safe in daylight along one of the busiest and most well known streets in our city, they'll stop coming here, and that's bad news for our economy. We need to get our shiat together, and fast.

Chicago is facing a huge turning point right now. The 90's and 2000's were great for Chicago as other cities floundered or barely held their own. But if this continues things could go downhill very quickly.


As much as people hate him, I give a ton of credit to Mayor Daley. He may have been corrupt as hell, but he absolutely loved this city, and made it better. Think about all the changes in just the past 20 years: Navy Pier, Millennium Park, River Walk, Meigs Field being turned into that nature preserve/ampitheater. I'm not saying it's all because of Daley, and you can debate his Meigs Field actions, but it definitely got a lot better.

I worked in the travel/tourism industry in San Francisco, and everyone in the industry I talked to had nothing but good things to say about Chicago, especially how clean it was for a big city. I held that as a point of pride. But as you said, this is a turning point. I hope Rahm is up to the challenge, for all of our sake.
 
2013-04-02 01:24:00 PM
So the bodies are just in the vacants right?
 
2013-04-02 01:25:03 PM
Only because it has been colder this year than last. Once things heat up, pop pop pop watching suckas drop.
 
2013-04-02 01:25:37 PM

give me doughnuts: I'm in favor of letting gang members shoot each other, but those guys have terrible marksmanship.
Too much collateral damage, and too many cases of mistaken identity.


I'm in favor of catch an release for gang members.

Tranq them, and take them to a completely different city with different gangs.
Somewhere like Macau, or Hongkong, or Yemen.
Then release them.
 
2013-04-02 01:25:41 PM
riotimesonline.com
Lies, damned lies, cop math, and statistics.

/hope this trend lasts.
 
2013-04-02 01:29:28 PM
 
2013-04-02 01:29:39 PM

redmid17: mjohnson71: Car_Ramrod: And on the day that Mayor Rahm Emanuel and McCarthy announced the new crime stats, they also had to answer questions about a wild weekend melee by teenagers along the city's Magnificent Mile.

Damn, I didn't even hear about this.

Police responded to reports of disturbances around 6:30 p.m. Saturday near Michigan and Chicago avenues. They said a number of teens took to the streets and started fighting.

Police said 28 teens were arrested during the incident and charged with misdemeanor reckless conduct and battery and later released, according to Police News Affairs. Eleven other teens were charged with misdemeanor charges after they allegedly attacked a group of women on the Chicago Transit Authority's Red Line, police said.

That's messed up and very bad for the city. If tourists don't feel safe in daylight along one of the busiest and most well known streets in our city, they'll stop coming here, and that's bad news for our economy. We need to get our shiat together, and fast.

Chicago is facing a huge turning point right now. The 90's and 2000's were great for Chicago as other cities floundered or barely held their own. But if this continues things could go downhill very quickly.

I mean this kind of shiat has been happening the last two or three years. Short of camping SWAT and paddy wagons on Michigan ave, which they more or less already do, I'm not really sure what can be done. Hell sometimes the Chicago and State red line stop looks like a police station parking lot.


Agreed.  There's definitely a riff-raff element around Chicago/State around that McDonalds.  It comes with the turf of public transportation.  Folks angry at 'the system' go in a group to the 'rich area' to feel tough and in control of their out-of-control life's.

That's all psychologically fine and dandy, except the normal people who just want to work/live are now afraid to move about, not to even mention tourists.  This will all be very interesting once Chicago finally lets go of its unconstitutional concealed weapons ban.  I'd like to see how many young idiots want to go out and pick fights with strangers when they know they can get their face blown off.
 
2013-04-02 01:30:17 PM
Great hearing all these stories makes me scared to go to Chiago for ACEN. If they're jumping people in broad daylight I'm scared to be waiting at the Megabus terminal for the ride back home.
 
2013-04-02 01:30:49 PM
42% in one year. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're fudging the numbers.
 
2013-04-02 01:35:12 PM

thatboyoverthere: Great hearing all these stories makes me scared to go to Chiago for ACEN. If they're jumping people in broad daylight I'm scared to be waiting at the Megabus terminal for the ride back home.


Don't be foolish.
You can see these things coming when they do happen and they happen very rarely.
It's a BIG city, I know a few turds ruin the punchbowl.
Just keep your eyes open and you'll be fine.
 
2013-04-02 01:35:51 PM
There were still horrific headlines out of Chicago last month, though, such as in what police said was a gang-related shooting aimed at her father.

Perhaps the possibility of using their children as bullet shields will encourage some dads to stick around?
 
2013-04-02 01:36:37 PM
Doesn't have anything to do with anything the city of Chicago is doing,
it's mostly because of this.

www.dumpaday.com

As with the "war" in Afghanistan, the amount of death/injuries decrease in the winter months.
"Bad guys" don't want to be out in the sub freezing weather, anymore than you do.
 
2013-04-02 01:38:13 PM

Car_Ramrod: mjohnson71: Car_Ramrod: And on the day that Mayor Rahm Emanuel and McCarthy announced the new crime stats, they also had to answer questions about a wild weekend melee by teenagers along the city's Magnificent Mile.

Damn, I didn't even hear about this.

Police responded to reports of disturbances around 6:30 p.m. Saturday near Michigan and Chicago avenues. They said a number of teens took to the streets and started fighting.

Police said 28 teens were arrested during the incident and charged with misdemeanor reckless conduct and battery and later released, according to Police News Affairs. Eleven other teens were charged with misdemeanor charges after they allegedly attacked a group of women on the Chicago Transit Authority's Red Line, police said.

That's messed up and very bad for the city. If tourists don't feel safe in daylight along one of the busiest and most well known streets in our city, they'll stop coming here, and that's bad news for our economy. We need to get our shiat together, and fast.

Chicago is facing a huge turning point right now. The 90's and 2000's were great for Chicago as other cities floundered or barely held their own. But if this continues things could go downhill very quickly.

As much as people hate him, I give a ton of credit to Mayor Daley. He may have been corrupt as hell, but he absolutely loved this city, and made it better. Think about all the changes in just the past 20 years: Navy Pier, Millennium Park, River Walk, Meigs Field being turned into that nature preserve/ampitheater. I'm not saying it's all because of Daley, and you can debate his Meigs Field actions, but it definitely got a lot better.

I worked in the travel/tourism industry in San Francisco, and everyone in the industry I talked to had nothing but good things to say about Chicago, especially how clean it was for a big city. I held that as a point of pride. But as you said, this is a turning point. I hope Rahm is up to the challenge, for all of our sake.


Yup. For all the BS King Richard II pulled, he kept shiat in line up there.
 
2013-04-02 01:38:30 PM

thatboyoverthere: Great hearing all these stories makes me scared to go to Chiago for ACEN. If they're jumping people in broad daylight I'm scared to be waiting at the Megabus terminal for the ride back home.


After a quick Google, that's not held in the city. That's out in Rosemont and by the airport. This isn't going on out there.

Unless you're going into the city afterwards, but I'm sure after this they'll have better protection. And this really was a fluke thing. I've never felt unsafe on Michigan Ave, or really anywhere downtown/River North.
 
2013-04-02 01:38:59 PM
Ah Chicago, where the politicians will take credit for the weather if they can spin it right.
 
2013-04-02 01:39:03 PM
As someone who has lived and/or worked in Chicago for the past 15 years, the city is safe if you A) stay out of certain areas and B) aren't drunk/alone in other areas after midnight.  The crap that happened over the past few days is IMHO an anomaly.

Riding the Red/Brown/Purple lines between the Loop and their northern destinations is pretty safe.  Riding the red/orange/green lines south/west at night, by yourself,and dicking around with your iPhone - yeah good luck.

Stick to the loop area & north sides and you have about a 99.999% survival rate.
 
2013-04-02 01:40:52 PM
If the prison population starts falling we are going to need a slew of new drug laws and increased mandatory minimum sentences.
 
2013-04-02 01:42:22 PM
And Daley robbed this city blind, sold off all of its resources to balance his budget at the end, while his friends and family benefited.  If he could have done that while planting his trees in the dividers, that'd have been super.

Eff Daley.
 
2013-04-02 01:43:06 PM
Stoj:Stay away from black people  Stick to the loop area & north sides  and you have about a 99.999% survival rate.
 
2013-04-02 01:43:54 PM

Stoj: And Daley robbed this city blind, sold off all of its resources to balance his budget at the end, while his friends and family benefited.  If he could have done that while planting his trees in the dividers, that'd have been super.

Eff Daley.


I will say the parking meter deal was the worst business decision I've ever seen in my entire life.
 
2013-04-02 01:46:33 PM
It's hard to get ammunition right now.
And too difficult to stab people through heavy overcoats.
 
2013-04-02 01:52:39 PM

Car_Ramrod: Stoj: And Daley robbed this city blind, sold off all of its resources to balance his budget at the end, while his friends and family benefited.  If he could have done that while planting his trees in the dividers, that'd have been super.

Eff Daley.

I will say the parking meter deal was the worst business decision I've ever seen in my entire life.


Worst ever. I swear overnight parking rates at downtown Chicago hotels have gone in one decade from $25ish to $50+. (That's a byproduct of the parking meter franchise selloff.) It's bad enough to make me stay out by O'Hare.
 
2013-04-02 01:52:55 PM

lantawa: Nothing like a good massage.........of the stats.


That was my thought to
 
2013-04-02 01:52:59 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Only because it has been colder this year than last. Once things heat up, pop pop pop watching suckas drop.


This March's murder rate in Chicago was the lowest March rate since 1959, which includes quite a few inclement months.

As for the wilding -- what do you expect when you let the gangs fester for months and years on the South and West Sides, even with crying angry people on the TV screen every night calling for more police?
 
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