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(Washington Post)   Redskins find replacement after releasing DeAngelo Hall last month: DeAngelo Hall   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 43
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2013-04-02 10:26:24 AM  
A lot of the released veterans/ free agents are finding out that the NFL is getting younger and they are not going to get that big contract.  Lots of bargains will be had as time goes on.
 
2013-04-02 10:40:33 AM  
Dammit.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
2013-04-02 10:44:55 AM  
Makes as much sense as JJ signing Romo to a six year contract.

???
 
2013-04-02 10:51:34 AM  

balki1867: Dammit.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


No details in TFA but odds are he's at least going to be paid less.
 
2013-04-02 10:52:18 AM  
I can only assume that someone on the Redskins side gave a little wink-wink, nudge-nudge to DeAngelo after saying something along the lines of "well D. Hall, we like you, and would do anything to pay you what we had originally proposed, but the damned NFL is forcing us to swallow an $18 million cap-reduction this year.  NEXT year though, we will have $18million in new cap space, and would certainly look kindly upon players that work WITH us this year"

Frankly, I am really surprised the Skins got both D. Hall and Fred Davis back this year, I thought both were as good as gone when I heard how little room the team has left under the cap.  Sure, we couldn't really bring in any big names, but we didn't really lose anyone either, and the team did alright last year.  I think bringing back the entire O-Line, receiving group, and backfield should work in the teams favor, as everyone knows the system and will have had the time to "gel".  If we get another good draft out of Shanahan, I see no reason why we shouldn't be the early favorite in the division.  It isn't like Dallas or NY have done anything to improve, and Philly is going to be a huge WILD CARD.
 
2013-04-02 11:00:51 AM  

Arkanaut: No details in TFA but odds are he's at least going to be paid less.


Yeah but he'll still be on the field. :(
 
2013-04-02 11:16:31 AM  

balki1867: Arkanaut: No details in TFA but odds are he's at least going to be paid less.

Yeah but he'll still be on the field. :(


I like the rumors that he could be moved to free safety. He could do well there I think.

The Redskins better take 4 DBs in the draft this year.
 
2013-04-02 11:23:35 AM  
Christ, why not get Haynesworth back while we are at it.
 
2013-04-02 11:37:19 AM  
Well, this is the same thing that would have happened to Dumervil if Baltimore didn't pick him up.
The new rookie contract scare really screwed over the middle of the road players and aging vets.

darch: Makes as much sense as JJ signing Romo to a six year contract.


Romo would have been picked up by a number of different teams if the Cowboys didn't sign him.  QB is one of the few positions that is not expendable in the NFL.

Honestly a good left tackle isn't expendable either, but someone like Jared Gaither really brings down the rest of the position.  If he had played up to his potential instead of being a lazy slob, he could have demanded a pay raise which would have raised the pay of all of the other left tackles coming into the league.
 
2013-04-02 11:37:54 AM  

ko_kyi: Christ, why not get Haynesworth back while we are at it.


Dude, Haynesworth had a hugely bigger contract, an immensely terrible attitude, and essentially zero on-field production.  D. Hall may make some big mistakes, and wasn't worth what he was originally going to get paid, but he is leaps and bounds better than Fat Albert.

/Full disclosure, I am a fellow hokie so I have some sentimental attachment to him, but I couldn't argue with his release last month on a cost/benefit standpoint.  Now the cost has been revised, and I'm okay with that.  I mean really, who else were we going to get that is better?
 
2013-04-02 11:38:07 AM  
hahahaha
 
2013-04-02 11:40:49 AM  

balki1867: Dammit.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


What is the over/under for the number of personal fouls penalties he has this year?

8.5?
 
2013-04-02 11:55:06 AM  
Well at least they get him cheaper. The Steelers should do that with James Harrison, but he did not want to take a pay cut so they released him.
 
2013-04-02 12:11:09 PM  
Fark MeAngelo.

/Atlanta fan
 
2013-04-02 12:19:12 PM  
great...more unsportsman like penalties...
 
2013-04-02 12:36:52 PM  

Jonny Chimpo: balki1867: Arkanaut: No details in TFA but odds are he's at least going to be paid less.

Yeah but he'll still be on the field. :(

I like the rumors that he could be moved to free safety. He could do well there I think.

The Redskins better take 4 DBs in the draft this year.


Even at FS he's high risk.  He's not a good tackler and can't play man.  If he gets isolated deep, he'll go for the pick and if he misses it's 6 points.  And then there's all the shiat-talking he does, and the fact that he can't control his temper even in critical situations where a 15yd penalty can cost his team the game.

He needs to be in the top 3-5 in the league in picks to justify his presence on any roster.
 
2013-04-02 12:49:56 PM  

Billy Crystal Meth Lab: Fark MeAngelo.

/Atlanta fan


This
 
2013-04-02 01:11:10 PM  

darch: Makes as much sense as JJ signing Romo to a six year contract.

???


It's an NFL contract though.  It's not a real six year contract like an MLB or NHL or NBA contract.  Like Flacco's new deal, Romo will play three years of it when the cap hit isn't too bad, then he'll renegotiate the rest of it for more guaranteed money in exchange for a reduced cap hit at the end.  Or he'll get traded or cut if he refuses.  It's what has been happening for years for the high-paid stars.

All the media kerfuffle over Romo's and Flacco's deals ignore this, and I'm not sure why.
 
2013-04-02 01:23:58 PM  
As a Redskins fan, I'm just gonna say:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

MeAngelo farking suck as a corner and he mouths off like he was some diving combination of Darrell Green, Revis and the Raiders version of Nnamdi. He had one good game against Jay Cutler and the Bears in 2010 and hasn't done shiat in Burgundy & Gold since.
 
2013-04-02 01:28:13 PM  
He's a poor man's DeAngelo Hall.
 
2013-04-02 01:35:03 PM  

basemetal: A lot of the released veterans/ free agents are finding out that the NFL is getting younger and they are not going to get that big contract.  Lots of bargains will be had as time goes on.


I expect Freeney to land back with the Colts after his his delusions are curtailed.
 
2013-04-02 01:44:05 PM  
Could be worse, he could have been traded for a ham sandwich, like Palmer (7th round pick conditional upon Palmer starting 13 games next year)
 
2013-04-02 01:46:38 PM  

Brokenseas: darch: Makes as much sense as JJ signing Romo to a six year contract.

???

It's an NFL contract though.  It's not a real six year contract like an MLB or NHL or NBA contract.  Like Flacco's new deal, Romo will play three years of it when the cap hit isn't too bad, then he'll renegotiate the rest of it for more guaranteed money in exchange for a reduced cap hit at the end.  Or he'll get traded or cut if he refuses.  It's what has been happening for years for the high-paid stars.

All the media kerfuffle over Romo's and Flacco's deals ignore this, and I'm not sure why.


Because big numbers and silly stories about their cap situations drive clicks.

ESPN.com had a story about how Flacco's cap number was hurting the Ravens' ability to keep players. Not mentioned ONCE was the fact that his cap hit this year is only $6.8m. Also not mentioned? That it's $1.2m LESS than his cap value next year. His contract is very cap friendly for 3 years.
 
2013-04-02 02:14:55 PM  
The deal is for one year, a person with knowledge of the situation said.

Hall was owed $8 million for the 2013 season

 Something tells me he was signed for less than $8 million.
 
2013-04-02 02:46:39 PM  
I don't like it. I know he has been a Skin for a while but I don't really want him on the team. The secondary is going to suck with or without him. Draft a new corner or sign someone else and try something new. When your team has the worst pass defense in the league you should try and change it not bring back the same old crappy players.

/Don't mind Josh Wilson
//Would love to see Richard Crawford get more playing time.
 
2013-04-02 03:39:09 PM  
Next year, the Skins are going to be the only team with an extra $18 million in cap space.

Regardless of how this year turns out - next year.... will be interesting :)
 
2013-04-02 03:43:03 PM  
As much as Hall is a complete pain in the ass MOST games, when we needed him to step up, he did. Against Dez Bryant in the final game he was basically a shut down corner, playing for his life. Even at his age, he was able to show that the team could rely on him on the biggest of days. I'll know I'll be willing to eat my words next year when something stupid happens, but hopefully someone will point me to the highlights of that game where D. Hall, lacking 4 inches, kept Bryant to 4 catches with no touchdowns.
 
2013-04-02 03:44:10 PM  
Mother farker. Cards traded for Palmer. fark fark fark fark fark fark.
 
2013-04-02 03:46:49 PM  

neuroflare: Mother farker. Cards traded for Palmer. fark fark fark fark fark fark.


Well, in fairness, according to everything I'm seeing with the NFC West blog, Palmer isn't as bad as we all think - he's virtually perfectly average. Which represents a huge upgrade for Arizona. And they're trading a conditional 7th-rounder, only if he starts 13+ games. So they didn't really give anything up to get him - either he plays okay or the lack of an offensive line gets him killed and you don't give up the pick.
 
2013-04-02 03:50:33 PM  

MmmCrime: As much as Hall is a complete pain in the ass MOST games, when we needed him to step up, he did. Against Dez Bryant in the final game he was basically a shut down corner, playing for his life. Even at his age, he was able to show that the team could rely on him on the biggest of days. I'll know I'll be willing to eat my words next year when something stupid happens, but hopefully someone will point me to the highlights of that game where D. Hall, lacking 4 inches, kept Bryant to 4 catches with no touchdowns.


I think it is a lot easier to eat your words if the end result is that team does better. I am upset that the resigned him but I will be happy if they do well because he is still there.

ISO15693: Next year, the Skins are going to be the only team with an extra $18 million in cap space.

Regardless of how this year turns out - next year.... will be interesting :)


No, they will be a team that has the same exact cap as everyone else. Also when the Skins restructured a bunch of their contracts and resigned their players this year the moved most of the salary to next few years. The Skins will mos t likely be in trouble with the Cap next year and will not have a chance to make free agency moves until the Cap increases two years from now.
 
2013-04-02 03:54:02 PM  

IAmRight: Well, in fairness, according to everything I'm seeing with the NFC West blog, Palmer isn't as bad as we all think - he's virtually perfectly average. Which represents a huge upgrade for Arizona. And they're trading a conditional 7th-rounder, only if he starts 13+ games. So they didn't really give anything up to get him - either he plays okay or the lack of an offensive line gets him killed and you don't give up the pick.


I haven't checked out Sando's work yet today, so I haven't seen his glorious tables and charts yet. Mmmmmm.... data...
 
2013-04-02 03:59:38 PM  

darch: Makes as much sense as JJ signing Romo to a six year contract.

???


He's turned into Al Davis: Addled and zombie-like.
 
2013-04-02 04:06:27 PM  

CipollinaFan: MmmCrime: As much as Hall is a complete pain in the ass MOST games, when we needed him to step up, he did. Against Dez Bryant in the final game he was basically a shut down corner, playing for his life. Even at his age, he was able to show that the team could rely on him on the biggest of days. I'll know I'll be willing to eat my words next year when something stupid happens, but hopefully someone will point me to the highlights of that game where D. Hall, lacking 4 inches, kept Bryant to 4 catches with no touchdowns.

I think it is a lot easier to eat your words if the end result is that team does better. I am upset that the resigned him but I will be happy if they do well because he is still there.

ISO15693: Next year, the Skins are going to be the only team with an extra $18 million in cap space.

Regardless of how this year turns out - next year.... will be interesting :)

No, they will be a team that has the same exact cap as everyone else. Also when the Skins restructured a bunch of their contracts and resigned their players this year the moved most of the salary to next few years. The Skins will mos t likely be in trouble with the Cap next year and will not have a chance to make free agency moves until the Cap increases two years from now.


Dan Graziano from ESPN reported earlier in his chat that the Skins will have $35 mil total in Cap Space next year. I say we lure Lorenzo back.
 
2013-04-02 04:12:12 PM  
After the trade during the highlights shown on NFLN is a reel of futility. Watch the horrible cards QB play here: Link
 
2013-04-02 04:13:39 PM  
MmmCrime:

Dan Graziano from ESPN reported earlier in his chat that the Skins will have $35 mil total in Cap Space next year. I say we lure Lorenzo back.

I would be 100% fine with that.
 
2013-04-02 05:32:21 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-02 05:58:26 PM  
MmmCrime:
Dan Graziano from ESPN reported earlier in his chat that the Skins will have $35 mil total in Cap Space next year. I say we lure Lorenzo back.

How does having cap space allow you to lure back a guy who is under contract with another team?
 
2013-04-02 06:54:01 PM  
Dan Snyder gets what he wants!
 
2013-04-02 09:15:04 PM  

MmmCrime: CipollinaFan: MmmCrime: As much as Hall is a complete pain in the ass MOST games, when we needed him to step up, he did. Against Dez Bryant in the final game he was basically a shut down corner, playing for his life. Even at his age, he was able to show that the team could rely on him on the biggest of days. I'll know I'll be willing to eat my words next year when something stupid happens, but hopefully someone will point me to the highlights of that game where D. Hall, lacking 4 inches, kept Bryant to 4 catches with no touchdowns.

I think it is a lot easier to eat your words if the end result is that team does better. I am upset that the resigned him but I will be happy if they do well because he is still there.

ISO15693: Next year, the Skins are going to be the only team with an extra $18 million in cap space.

Regardless of how this year turns out - next year.... will be interesting :)

No, they will be a team that has the same exact cap as everyone else. Also when the Skins restructured a bunch of their contracts and resigned their players this year the moved most of the salary to next few years. The Skins will mos t likely be in trouble with the Cap next year and will not have a chance to make free agency moves until the Cap increases two years from now.

Dan Graziano from ESPN reported earlier in his chat that the Skins will have $35 mil total in Cap Space next year. I say we lure Lorenzo back.


Like I said, next year is going to be interesting - as long as Snyder doesn't revert to old-Snyder. $35 million in cap space is practically unheard of these days. This might have been the best thing that could happen to the skins.
 
2013-04-02 11:55:37 PM  
basemetal * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-04-02 10:26:24 AM A lot of the released veterans/ free agents are finding out that the NFL is getting younger and they are not going to get that big contract.
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Not really. It's just that the salary cap didn't increase. And there's no sign it will anytime soon.

Most teams give out contracts with the intention of being able to tweak the contracts (usually converting most of the years salary into a signing bonus). But that pushes millions and millions down the road. If the salary cap doesn't increase, like this year, a LOT of teams (Steelers, for instance) are basically screwed.

DeAngelo Hall was due 8 million. They release him, no one else can afford him either, so he comes back and I imagine he'll get $3 if he's lucky.

/Steelers did the same thing with Max Starks 2 years ago. He was due like 8-10 million, they release him, no one else can afford him... they bring him back for basically the veteran minimum.
 
2013-04-03 06:45:06 AM  

basemetal: A lot of the released veterans/ free agents are finding out that the NFL is getting younger and they are not going to get that big contract.  Lots of bargains will be had as time goes on.


Funny thing is they did it to themselves by screwing the incoming players in the latest CBA.

Current Players "Screw these kids, they havent proven themselves like we have.  Let them work for peanuts and give us all the money."

Management "So veteran short-sighted sucker we're going to draft a kid to play your position and pay him way less than you would make.  Good luck on the waiver wire.  Kthxbye"
 
2013-04-03 08:00:21 AM  
" Hall generated interest from several teams, including Detroit, Minnesota, New England and Atlanta"

Wait, whut? There is no farking way Atlanta would sign him, the fans hate him here and he may not make it out alive.
 
2013-04-04 09:31:33 AM  

steamingpile: " Hall generated interest from several teams, including Detroit, Minnesota, New England and Atlanta"

Wait, whut? There is no farking way Atlanta would sign him, the fans hate him here and he may not make it out alive.


Unfortunately the Falcons got rid of both Dunta Robinson (who sucked as bad as DHall, always looking for the hit stick, never playing legitimately) and Brent Grimes. Our team's secondary is currently a joke. Here's hoping they draft some folks, I hear this year's draft is rich in corners?
 
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