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2013-04-02 09:58:41 AM  
Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.
 
2013-04-02 10:21:04 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.


That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.
 
2013-04-02 10:47:02 AM  
They really need to make a new category for Microsoft employees. Redmond is probably 2/3 South Asian on campus, these days.
 
2013-04-02 11:04:46 AM  

Thoguh: tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.


It's double-edged. Someone needs to do these jobs. NOBODY should have to work for the wages that most illegal immigrants work for, but they do it because they can't do any better because of their status.  Citizens actually can do better (and aren't afraid of being caught or deported) so they demand something they can actually pay rent and buy food with.  Shock and awe.

Until the businesses are fined harshly for using illegal labor, and even more harshly for paying them well below any standard of minimum wage, nothing will happen and nothing will change.

I argue in favor of punishing businesses who engage in these practices while simultaneously helping people on a path to citizenship (or legal status.)  Argue all you like about whether or not they should be here in the first place, but remember your humanity and the fact that they're people, people who took a pretty damned big chance on a better life.  Unfortunately, word never got to them that they would barely be treated better than slaves and hard work in a crap job is rarely, if ever rewarded. The guy who slaves away cleaning the hotel is unlikely to ever run (never mind) own the place. Though that really goes for all of us, doesn't it?
 
2013-04-02 11:30:32 AM  
In general, I have a hard time finding software/computer engineers who are competently qualified to perform work on mission critical systems.  The H1Bs don't suck any WORSE than the ones available in the market right now.  Hell, the guys I worked with and hired IN INDIA were just as experienced and capable as the candidates I can find right now in the US.  So if you want a bottom 25% performer, H1B might just be for you.
 
2013-04-02 11:32:17 AM  

Fo Shiz: In general, I have a hard time finding software/computer engineers who are competently qualified to perform work on mission critical systems.  The H1Bs don't suck any WORSE than the ones available in the market right now.  Hell, the guys I worked with and hired IN INDIA were just as experienced and capable as the candidates I can find right now in the US.  So if you want a bottom 25% performer, H1B might just be for you.


If you want better performance, your best bet is generally to poach from the already employed
 
2013-04-02 11:37:54 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Fo Shiz: In general, I have a hard time finding software/computer engineers who are competently qualified to perform work on mission critical systems.  The H1Bs don't suck any WORSE than the ones available in the market right now.  Hell, the guys I worked with and hired IN INDIA were just as experienced and capable as the candidates I can find right now in the US.  So if you want a bottom 25% performer, H1B might just be for you.

If you want better performance, your best bet is generally to poach from the already employed


Or you know invest invest in training American workers. This country is run by Ferengis that are so concerned about immediate profitable completely forsaking long term growth and stability.
 
2013-04-02 11:44:49 AM  

Franco: Or you know invest invest in training American workers. This country is run by Ferengis that are so concerned about immediate profitable completely forsaking long term growth and stability.


Think about any time you have discussed work with friends. Morale is low. Conditions are poor. Everyone wants out. It works both ways.  Because they don't care about us - the work environment in many places is actively hostile, for example - they think employees have no loyalty and therefore, the idea of training and education that would benefit the company is out of the question because the good ones will just leave as soon as something better comes along.  What they fail to see is that people would stay if conditions improved and things like training and education were made available.  As it is now, there is virtually no incentive for most people other than to get out of a bad situation and maybe make a few more dollars in a slightly more palatable situation.
 
2013-04-02 11:46:06 AM  
In the tech companies defence, foreign workers don't require meal breaks every 45 minutes - nor do they need lube to fit through the entrance double-doors.
 
2013-04-02 11:49:14 AM  
But some worker-advocacy groups counter that the companies are using the visa program to hire cheaper foreign labor.

Surprise!!!
 
2013-04-02 11:57:41 AM  
Aren't these companies in business to make money? Who said they had to hire American workers? I understand the butthurt Subby is trying to rile up (especially in the liberal bastion that is FARK), but anyone that's forgotten that a businesses' primary responsibility is to make a profit (through any legal means necessary) doesn't understand business.

/Gets out popcorn
 
2013-04-02 12:01:24 PM  

8 inches: Aren't these companies in business to make money? Who said they had to hire American workers? I understand the butthurt Subby is trying to rile up (especially in the liberal bastion that is FARK), but anyone that's forgotten that a businesses' primary responsibility is to make a profit (through any legal means necessary) doesn't understand business.

/Gets out popcorn


"they took our jerbs" is a conservative position

/takes your popcorn
 
2013-04-02 12:07:18 PM  

FreetardoRivera: 8 inches: Aren't these companies in business to make money? Who said they had to hire American workers? I understand the butthurt Subby is trying to rile up (especially in the liberal bastion that is FARK), but anyone that's forgotten that a businesses' primary responsibility is to make a profit (through any legal means necessary) doesn't understand business.

/Gets out popcorn

"they took our jerbs" is a conservative position

/takes your popcorn


As is xenophobia.
 
2013-04-02 12:07:25 PM  

serpent_sky: Franco: Or you know invest invest in training American workers. This country is run by Ferengis that are so concerned about immediate profitable completely forsaking long term growth and stability.

Think about any time you have discussed work with friends. Morale is low. Conditions are poor. Everyone wants out. It works both ways.  Because they don't care about us - the work environment in many places is actively hostile, for example - they think employees have no loyalty and therefore, the idea of training and education that would benefit the company is out of the question because the good ones will just leave as soon as something better comes along.  What they fail to see is that people would stay if conditions improved and things like training and education were made available.  As it is now, there is virtually no incentive for most people other than to get out of a bad situation and maybe make a few more dollars in a slightly more palatable situation.


I am supposedly employed by a company that does cellphone signal analysis. I say supposedly  because I'm hourly and haven't seen the office all last month. All I do is take the data and put it into a report using the software I'm told to use. ...but nobody is hiring my company right now, so there's not much work to be done, and they've got salaried people who can do what I do.

I've repeatedly asked for training on how to do other items. I've been ignored by one manager, and the other said "No, I'm not going to train you, because you're not an engineer and dont' have that mindset."

...wat.

This company also employs a lot of immigrants from other countries. I can't do their jobs currently... ...but hellfire, I'm not even being told what I would need to know to do what they do anyhow!
 
2013-04-02 12:13:13 PM  

oldfarthenry: In the tech companies defence, foreign workers don't require meal breaks every 45 minutes - nor do they need lube to fit through the entrance double-doors.


There are plenty of american workers who qualify for these positions via retraining or late career changes. That kind of job mobility has always been a hallmark of the success of the american economy. Unfortunately, those workers after losing out to h1b workers. Why hire a retrained cab dispatcher when you can hire a kid from mumbai?

You can argue that the h1b workers are better, but I have yet to see any actual data that supports that conclusion. People who make late career changes are usually pretty serious about making it work, and the ones I've known frequently end up in management pretty quickly. Of course, you do end up with a few bad hires, but thats true of the h1bs, too.

Companies I've seen that go hardcore with h1b hires usually stagnate. Look at microsoft.
 
2013-04-02 12:13:21 PM  

Fo Shiz: In general, I have a hard time finding software/computer engineers who are competently qualified to perform work on mission critical systems.  The H1Bs don't suck any WORSE than the ones available in the market right now.  Hell, the guys I worked with and hired IN INDIA were just as experienced and capable as the candidates I can find right now in the US.  So if you want a bottom 25% performer, H1B might just be for you.


For bottom 25% pay, that's what you get
 
2013-04-02 12:14:23 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Fo Shiz: In general, I have a hard time finding software/computer engineers who are competently qualified to perform work on mission critical systems.  The H1Bs don't suck any WORSE than the ones available in the market right now.  Hell, the guys I worked with and hired IN INDIA were just as experienced and capable as the candidates I can find right now in the US.  So if you want a bottom 25% performer, H1B might just be for you.

If you want better performance, your best bet is generally to poach from the already employed


That's good advice, and good luck in that search.

//Have you seen the unemployment rate for 4 year degree holders these days?  Seasonally adjusted, it was at 3.8% for February
 
2013-04-02 12:15:32 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Fo Shiz: In general, I have a hard time finding software/computer engineers who are competently qualified to perform work on mission critical systems.  The H1Bs don't suck any WORSE than the ones available in the market right now.  Hell, the guys I worked with and hired IN INDIA were just as experienced and capable as the candidates I can find right now in the US.  So if you want a bottom 25% performer, H1B might just be for you.

If you want better performance, your best bet is generally to poach from the already employed


And also offer incredibly competitive benefits. If you want average performance then offer an average wage.
 
2013-04-02 12:19:09 PM  

Summercat: serpent_sky: Franco: Or you know invest invest in training American workers. This country is run by Ferengis that are so concerned about immediate profitable completely forsaking long term growth and stability.

Think about any time you have discussed work with friends. Morale is low. Conditions are poor. Everyone wants out. It works both ways.  Because they don't care about us - the work environment in many places is actively hostile, for example - they think employees have no loyalty and therefore, the idea of training and education that would benefit the company is out of the question because the good ones will just leave as soon as something better comes along.  What they fail to see is that people would stay if conditions improved and things like training and education were made available.  As it is now, there is virtually no incentive for most people other than to get out of a bad situation and maybe make a few more dollars in a slightly more palatable situation.

I am supposedly employed by a company that does cellphone signal analysis. I say supposedly  because I'm hourly and haven't seen the office all last month. All I do is take the data and put it into a report using the software I'm told to use. ...but nobody is hiring my company right now, so there's not much work to be done, and they've got salaried people who can do what I do.

I've repeatedly asked for training on how to do other items. I've been ignored by one manager, and the other said "No, I'm not going to train you, because you're not an engineer and dont' have that mindset."

...wat.

This company also employs a lot of immigrants from other countries. I can't do their jobs currently... ...but hellfire, I'm not even being told what I would need to know to do what they do anyhow!


i don't think that you are getting the hint
 
2013-04-02 12:27:58 PM  
I am getting a kick out of the responses from you pinche gringos.

/they terk er jerbs!
//deal with it, cabrones
 
2013-04-02 12:28:18 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.


You keep taunting karma like that and one day she's gonna biatch slap you into low orbit.
 
2013-04-02 12:30:08 PM  

Thoguh: tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.


I voted 'Smart' on your comment, the upcoming amnesty should do wonders for the American worker
 
2013-04-02 12:30:47 PM  

Thoguh: tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.


So you are telling me that Americans are not willing to work for $100k+ a year?  As someone who spent the last 8 months trying to hire new technical employees - the US has a huge problem with not pumping out enough workers with engineering or technical talent.  I will take new employees anywhere I can get them.  And the H1-B workers that I have on staff are paid more than their American peers simply because they have a work ethic and usually come to the table with advanced degrees.  Wages are no being anyway suppressed by them.
 
2013-04-02 12:31:12 PM  
"The H-1B program will not have reached its base cap of 65,000 so quickly since early 2008, before the economic crisis hit."

Your Ministry of Truth, hard at work, correcting history as we speak.
 
2013-04-02 12:33:15 PM  

haywatchthis: Summercat: serpent_sky: Franco: Or you know invest invest in training American workers. This country is run by Ferengis that are so concerned about immediate profitable completely forsaking long term growth and stability.

Think about any time you have discussed work with friends. Morale is low. Conditions are poor. Everyone wants out. It works both ways.  Because they don't care about us - the work environment in many places is actively hostile, for example - they think employees have no loyalty and therefore, the idea of training and education that would benefit the company is out of the question because the good ones will just leave as soon as something better comes along.  What they fail to see is that people would stay if conditions improved and things like training and education were made available.  As it is now, there is virtually no incentive for most people other than to get out of a bad situation and maybe make a few more dollars in a slightly more palatable situation.

I am supposedly employed by a company that does cellphone signal analysis. I say supposedly  because I'm hourly and haven't seen the office all last month. All I do is take the data and put it into a report using the software I'm told to use. ...but nobody is hiring my company right now, so there's not much work to be done, and they've got salaried people who can do what I do.

I've repeatedly asked for training on how to do other items. I've been ignored by one manager, and the other said "No, I'm not going to train you, because you're not an engineer and dont' have that mindset."

...wat.

This company also employs a lot of immigrants from other countries. I can't do their jobs currently... ...but hellfire, I'm not even being told what I would need to know to do what they do anyhow!

i don't think that you are getting the hint


Which one? :v
 
2013-04-02 12:34:10 PM  

gingerjet: Thoguh: tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.

So you are telling me that Americans are not willing to work for $100k+ a year?  As someone who spent the last 8 months trying to hire new technical employees - the US has a huge problem with not pumping out enough workers with engineering or technical talent.  I will take new employees anywhere I can get them.  And the H1-B workers that I have on staff are paid more than their American peers simply because they have a work ethic and usually come to the table with advanced degrees.  Wages are no being anyway suppressed by them.


It took me 8 months to get hired for this contractor job. I'm stupidly overqualified for it but...nobody wants to pay for 20 years tech experience. They would rather outsource and hope a crew of trained monkeys can make it work.
 
kab
2013-04-02 12:34:34 PM  

oldfarthenry: In the tech companies defence, foreign workers don't require meal breaks every 45 minutes - nor do they need lube to fit through the entrance double-doors. I don't have the first clue about this topic, but I'll post anyhow.

 
2013-04-02 12:43:23 PM  

haywatchthis: Summercat: serpent_sky: Franco: Or you know invest invest in training American workers. This country is run by Ferengis that are so concerned about immediate profitable completely forsaking long term growth and stability.

Think about any time you have discussed work with friends. Morale is low. Conditions are poor. Everyone wants out. It works both ways.  Because they don't care about us - the work environment in many places is actively hostile, for example - they think employees have no loyalty and therefore, the idea of training and education that would benefit the company is out of the question because the good ones will just leave as soon as something better comes along.  What they fail to see is that people would stay if conditions improved and things like training and education were made available.  As it is now, there is virtually no incentive for most people other than to get out of a bad situation and maybe make a few more dollars in a slightly more palatable situation.

I am supposedly employed by a company that does cellphone signal analysis. I say supposedly  because I'm hourly and haven't seen the office all last month. All I do is take the data and put it into a report using the software I'm told to use. ...but nobody is hiring my company right now, so there's not much work to be done, and they've got salaried people who can do what I do.

I've repeatedly asked for training on how to do other items. I've been ignored by one manager, and the other said "No, I'm not going to train you, because you're not an engineer and dont' have that mindset."

...wat.

This company also employs a lot of immigrants from other countries. I can't do their jobs currently... ...but hellfire, I'm not even being told what I would need to know to do what they do anyhow!

i don't think that you are getting the hint


www.wildsoundmovies.com
 
2013-04-02 12:44:11 PM  
gingerjet: So you are telling me that Americans are not willing to work for $100k+ a year? As someone who spent the last 8 months trying to hire new technical employees - the US has a huge problem with not pumping out enough workers with engineering or technical talent. I will take new employees anywhere I can get them. And the H1-B workers that I have on staff are paid more than their American peers simply because they have a work ethic and usually come to the table with advanced degrees. Wages are no being anyway suppressed by them. I think Americans should work for what I can pay Indians.

FTFY
No one believes this bullshiat anymore, least of all with news like the article.
 
2013-04-02 12:50:08 PM  

Thoguh: tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.


And in both cases, the government needs to step in and stop the employer from hiring the foreign worker and instead require them to hire an American for a real wage, either through stopping H1B's or actual policework.
 
2013-04-02 12:55:03 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: gingerjet: So you are telling me that Americans are not willing to work for $100k+ a year? As someone who spent the last 8 months trying to hire new technical employees - the US has a huge problem with not pumping out enough workers with engineering or technical talent. I will take new employees anywhere I can get them. And the H1-B workers that I have on staff are paid more than their American peers simply because they have a work ethic and usually come to the table with advanced degrees. Wages are no being anyway suppressed by them. I think Americans should work for what I can pay Indians.

FTFY
No one believes this bullshiat anymore, least of all with news like the article.


Well even most unemployed people would be willing to work for entry level wages, but then you have to have twenty years of experience doing the job, plus six advanced degrees. And that's just for a 25k/yr  job.
 
2013-04-02 12:55:26 PM  

Weaver95: gingerjet: Thoguh: tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.

So you are telling me that Americans are not willing to work for $100k+ a year?  As someone who spent the last 8 months trying to hire new technical employees - the US has a huge problem with not pumping out enough workers with engineering or technical talent.  I will take new employees anywhere I can get them.  And the H1-B workers that I have on staff are paid more than their American peers simply because they have a work ethic and usually come to the table with advanced degrees.  Wages are no being anyway suppressed by them.

It took me 8 months to get hired for this contractor job. I'm stupidly overqualified for it but...nobody wants to pay for 20 years tech experience. They would rather outsource and hope a crew of trained monkeys can make it work.


That explains why every IT department I've worked with is incompetent. They won't pay for experienced professionals and so I get a kid fresh out of college.

/At home - I am the IT professional. So when I tell the tech assigned to me that a restart isn't going to solve the fact that their server room is overheating - they look at me stupidly and ask if I can reboot again and then they look completely dumbfounded when a restart fails to correct server issues.
 
2013-04-02 12:58:46 PM  

Thoguh: tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.


You just made a better case for welfare reform and immigration controls than I ever could.
 
2013-04-02 01:02:20 PM  

Gergesa: But some worker-advocacy groups counter that the companies are using the visa program to hire cheaper foreign labor.

Surprise!!!


The majority of H-1Bs make less than $100k a year, and on average are paid 10% less than an equivalent American.

If these workers are so damned valuable, they should get paid a premium, no?
 
2013-04-02 01:03:19 PM  

cchris_39: Thoguh: tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.

You just made a better case for welfare reform and immigration controls than I ever could.


Hmmm...well, if you're for it, I'm against it. Based on your track record of accuracy.
 
2013-04-02 01:03:48 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If these workers are so damned valuable, they should get paid a premium, no


They're not valuable because of the work they do; they're valuable because they're inexpensive labor.
 
2013-04-02 01:11:21 PM  

Bontesla: Weaver95: gingerjet: Thoguh: tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.

So you are telling me that Americans are not willing to work for $100k+ a year?  As someone who spent the last 8 months trying to hire new technical employees - the US has a huge problem with not pumping out enough workers with engineering or technical talent.  I will take new employees anywhere I can get them.  And the H1-B workers that I have on staff are paid more than their American peers simply because they have a work ethic and usually come to the table with advanced degrees.  Wages are no being anyway suppressed by them.

It took me 8 months to get hired for this contractor job. I'm stupidly overqualified for it but...nobody wants to pay for 20 years tech experience. They would rather outsource and hope a crew of trained monkeys can make it work.

That explains why every IT department I've worked with is incompetent. They won't pay for experienced professionals and so I get a kid fresh out of college.

/At home - I am the IT professional. So when I tell the tech assigned to me that a restart isn't going to solve the fact that their server room is overheating - they look at me stupidly and ask if I can reboot again and then they look completely dumbfounded when a restart fails to correct server issues.


not only that, but conservatives keep demonizing education. education's for liberal hippies. yeah, the same conservatives that went to yale and harvard telling their constituents not to trust the educated types. the results: I ain't gonna be no queer nerd. yes, I am over generalizing, but I believe that is part of the stigma on why we keeping hiring engineers and the like. not enough educated rednecks in this country. but hey, why go to college when you can strive to be a reality star? or better yet, be nascar driver! let them curry farkers design all your bases!
 
2013-04-02 01:11:45 PM  

angrymacface: Marcus Aurelius: If these workers are so damned valuable, they should get paid a premium, no

They're not valuable because of the work they do; they're valuable because they're inexpensive labor.


Just like the value you get from buying shiat at Wal-Mart.
 
2013-04-02 01:12:44 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: angrymacface: Marcus Aurelius: If these workers are so damned valuable, they should get paid a premium, no

They're not valuable because of the work they do; they're valuable because they're inexpensive labor.

Just like the value you get from buying shiat at Wal-Mart.


All that matters these days is short term results, i.e. maximizing short term profits and then getting out before everything collapses.
 
2013-04-02 01:14:35 PM  
One more reason to kill guest worker programs with fire and nuke the remains from orbit. Then do the same with offshore outsourcing. Restore the balance that existed before the world was used as leverage against US citizens(who are qualified despite bleating of businesses to the contrary).
 
2013-04-02 01:16:36 PM  

Generation_D: They really need to make a new category for Microsoft employees. Redmond is probably 2/3 South Asian on campus, these days.


Hmmm.. May explain why MS products are more incomprhenible than ever.
 
2013-04-02 01:19:39 PM  

angrymacface: Sergeant Grumbles: gingerjet: So you are telling me that Americans are not willing to work for $100k+ a year? As someone who spent the last 8 months trying to hire new technical employees - the US has a huge problem with not pumping out enough workers with engineering or technical talent. I will take new employees anywhere I can get them. And the H1-B workers that I have on staff are paid more than their American peers simply because they have a work ethic and usually come to the table with advanced degrees. Wages are no being anyway suppressed by them. I think Americans should work for what I can pay Indians.

FTFY
No one believes this bullshiat anymore, least of all with news like the article.

Well even most unemployed people would be willing to work for entry level wages, but then you have to have twenty years of experience doing the job, plus six advanced degrees. And that's just for a 25k/yr  job.


That said, why do we bother having a 13th Amendment to the US Constitution if businesses use outsourcing/offshoring to eviscerate it?
 
2013-04-02 01:19:48 PM  

Another Government Employee: Generation_D: They really need to make a new category for Microsoft employees. Redmond is probably 2/3 South Asian on campus, these days.

Hmmm.. May explain why MS products are more incomprhenible than ever.


And that "Prease wait, roading" message I keep getting.
 
2013-04-02 01:23:14 PM  

gingerjet: Thoguh: tenpoundsofcheese: Well if people are okay with employing illegal immigrants they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That's a remarkably apt comparison.  Just like there are lots of Americans willing and able to clean hotel rooms, work construction, etc...  There are lots of Americans willing and able to work the jobs these Visas are for.  In both cases they just aren't willing or able to do it for the artificially depressed wages that quasi slaves (in the first case) and indentured servants (in the second case) are willing to work for.

So you are telling me that Americans are not willing to work for $100k+ a year?  As someone who spent the last 8 months trying to hire new technical employees - the US has a huge problem with not pumping out enough workers with engineering or technical talent.  I will take new employees anywhere I can get them.  And the H1-B workers that I have on staff are paid more than their American peers simply because they have a work ethic and usually come to the table with advanced degrees.  Wages are no being anyway suppressed by them.


yo hook me up with one of those computer jobs, i got like 15 years exspirance with them and shiat
 
2013-04-02 01:23:34 PM  
shiat, I'm looking for entry-level IT people that I'm happy to train.  I've been having trouble finding them.  I have a currently open position and got a grand total of 12 applicants.  It doesn't surprise me if people are having trouble finding qualified IT candidates and engineers.
 
2013-04-02 01:27:09 PM  

meanmutton: shiat, I'm looking for entry-level IT people that I'm happy to train.  I've been having trouble finding them.  I have a currently open position and got a grand total of 12 applicants.  It doesn't surprise me if people are having trouble finding qualified IT candidates and engineers.


and not 1 out of  12 is worth hiring
 
2013-04-02 01:31:20 PM  

meanmutton: shiat, I'm looking for entry-level IT people that I'm happy to train.  I've been having trouble finding them.  I have a currently open position and got a grand total of 12 applicants.  It doesn't surprise me if people are having trouble finding qualified IT candidates and engineers.


What are you looking for, where, and for how much? What was wrong with the 12 applicants?
 
2013-04-02 01:33:19 PM  
Why do these articles never say what specific skillsets are under-represented?  Doesn't that seem like relevant information?

"Technical Skills" is a rather broad category...
 
2013-04-02 01:33:43 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: meanmutton: shiat, I'm looking for entry-level IT people that I'm happy to train.  I've been having trouble finding them.  I have a currently open position and got a grand total of 12 applicants.  It doesn't surprise me if people are having trouble finding qualified IT candidates and engineers.

What are you looking for, where, and for how much? What was wrong with the 12 applicants?


I'm starting to wonder that, too. Is this one of those "Entry-level" jobs" that require 2-3 years experience, and a list of certs and/or specific areas of expertise, with only an "entry-level" wage?
 
2013-04-02 01:35:56 PM  

8 inches: Aren't these companies in business to make money? Who said they had to hire American workers?


We do. They want to sell their products in the U.S., they want to get government contracts, we can make the rules.
 
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