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(Salon)   An interview with David Cross, who confesses he did not make Alvin & The Chipmunks for a love of cinema   (salon.com) divider line 70
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2013-04-02 10:23:50 AM
At least he'll admit it. Murray's cockamamie Garfield lie is worse than his sell out for doing the movie in the first place.
 
2013-04-02 10:29:30 AM
The concept of "selling out" is fundamentally an ideal for the young, the naive and/or the untalented.
 
2013-04-02 10:31:09 AM

cygnusx13: At least he'll admit it. Murray's cockamamie Garfield lie is worse than his sell out for doing the movie in the first place.


Yeah, I like Murray, but whenever I hear that story, I ask myself, "Okay, then why did you do the second one?"
 
2013-04-02 10:32:36 AM
Ben Affleck: You're like a child! What do I keep telling you? You gotta do the safe picture, then you do the art picture... and sometimes you gotta do the payback picture because your friend says you owe him. [both look at the audience] And then sometimes you gotta go back to the well.

Matt Damon: Yeah, and sometimes you do Reindeer Games.

Ben Affleck: See, that was just mean!
 
2013-04-02 10:34:02 AM

InmanRoshi: The concept of "selling out" is fundamentally an ideal for the young, the naive and/or the untalented.


I am young, then.
 
2013-04-02 10:37:27 AM
I think I would do the same in his position. He could sit around and wait for years for the next respectable paying gig like Arrested Development to come along or do some crap and use the money to help fund projects he wants to make.
 
2013-04-02 10:38:23 AM

InmanRoshi: The concept of "selling out" is fundamentally an ideal for the young, the naive and/or the untalented.


Or, you know, people with artistic integrity who don't give a shiat about money. There have been people that have climbed the ladder the hard way.
 
2013-04-02 10:38:42 AM
I think Michael Caine has the absolute best line about that sort of thing:

(on Jaws: The Revenge (1987)) I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific.
 
2013-04-02 10:39:27 AM
But that won't stop him from shiatting on others for their career choices and crying about being paid a shiatload of money to do a "squeekuel" and not being treated well during filming.
 
2013-04-02 10:43:40 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: Yeah, I like Murray, but whenever I hear that story, I ask myself, "Okay, then why did you do the second one?"


Contractual obligations I would think
 
2013-04-02 10:44:48 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: InmanRoshi: The concept of "selling out" is fundamentally an ideal for the young, the naive and/or the untalented.

Or, you know, people with artistic integrity who don't give a shiat about money. There have been people that have climbed the ladder the hard way.


As   Iggy Pop and Mick Jones found out, you can't get a knee replacement in your 60s with artistic integrity.   Thus the reason why you can see Lust for Life or Should I Stay or Should I Go on your next TV car advertisment.     Eventually you get to a place in live where sleeping in Van and eating dollar whoppers for some meaningless aesthetic is nonsense.     Especially when it's an ideal that the critics don't even practice.    I love it when a bunch of cubicle dwellers who sold their lives to soulless jobs for a steady paycheck right out the gate are the first ones to point towards musicians or artists as sell outs.    That or people who never really offered anything to the world that anyone was willing to buy in the first place.
 
2013-04-02 10:50:26 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: InmanRoshi: The concept of "selling out" is fundamentally an ideal for the young, the naive and/or the untalented.

Or, you know, people with artistic integrity who don't give a shiat about money. There have been people that have climbed the ladder the hard way.


So where do you put Steve Martin?  He is a huge patron of the arts and has amassed a very respectably collection over the years and has admitted to doing some real stinkers ("The Pink Panther") for the sole purpose of getting funds to invest in more art.
 
2013-04-02 10:52:28 AM
he will always be Ronney Dobbs to me.
 
2013-04-02 10:59:43 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: Or, you know, people with artistic integrity who don't give a shiat about money


I heard artistic integrity tastes great with a side of good intentions and sprinkled with just a dash of good faith....
 
2013-04-02 11:02:21 AM

rcantley: But that won't stop him from shiatting on others for their career choices and crying about being paid a shiatload of money to do a "squeekuel" and not being treated well during filming.


Nothing stops him from shiatting on others. NOTHING.
 
2013-04-02 11:05:00 AM

InmanRoshi: AnotherBluesStringer: InmanRoshi: The concept of "selling out" is fundamentally an ideal for the young, the naive and/or the untalented.

Or, you know, people with artistic integrity who don't give a shiat about money. There have been people that have climbed the ladder the hard way.

As   Iggy Pop and Mick Jones found out, you can't get a knee replacement in your 60s with artistic integrity.   Thus the reason why you can see Lust for Life or Should I Stay or Should I Go on your next TV car advertisment.     Eventually you get to a place in live where sleeping in Van and eating dollar whoppers for some meaningless aesthetic is nonsense.     Especially when it's an ideal that the critics don't even practice.    I love it when a bunch of cubicle dwellers who sold their lives to soulless jobs for a steady paycheck right out the gate are the first ones to point towards musicians or artists as sell outs.    That or people who never really offered anything to the world that anyone was willing to buy in the first place.


My stance is if KFC asks to use your song in a commercial I'm fine with it. The whole point of any artist who sells records or performs live is they want people to hear their work. On the other hand, if they start writing chicken jingles for KFC then it's safe to say they're a sellout.
 
2013-04-02 11:08:59 AM

browntimmy: My stance is if KFC asks to use your song in a commercial I'm fine with it. The whole point of any artist who sells records or performs live is they want people to hear their work. On the other hand, if they start writing chicken jingles for KFC then it's safe to say they're a sellout.


I think that's reasonable, but as the old punchline goes  "So we've already established you're a whore, now we're just negotiating the price."
 
2013-04-02 11:26:50 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: InmanRoshi: The concept of "selling out" is fundamentally an ideal for the young, the naive and/or the untalented.

Or, you know, people with artistic integrity who don't give a shiat about money. There have been people that have climbed the ladder the hard way.


Just out of curiosity - have you ever downloaded music or movies and not paid for it?
 
2013-04-02 11:32:16 AM
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Im a millionaire !!
 
2013-04-02 11:32:23 AM

rcantley: But that won't stop him from shiatting on others for their career choices and crying about being paid a shiatload of money to do a "squeekuel" and not being treated well during filming.


he hasn't shat on anyone for their career choice.  he admits, his job is being an actor.  therefore to get paid, he needs to act.  in whatever is offered to him.
haters gonna hate, yo.
but david cross is still awesome.
 
2013-04-02 11:37:44 AM
I think Bill Murray has it figured out.   Put your face and name at the forefront of all of your artistic ventures to keep that personna, do some low effort quirky stuff to maintain your "street cred", and quietly lay in the weeds and keep a low profile when you're making your shameless cash grabs (not one, but TWO, animated Garfield movies?).
 
2013-04-02 11:41:45 AM
I think those "Alvin" movies are terrible, but my kids love them, so I can't begrudge him or anyone else for doing them.
 
2013-04-02 11:45:30 AM

InmanRoshi: I think Bill Murray has it figured out.   Put your face and name at the forefront of all of your artistic ventures to keep that personna, do some low effort quirky stuff to maintain your "street cred", and quietly lay in the weeds and keep a low profile when you're making your shameless cash grabs (not one, but TWO, animated Garfield movies?).


Personally, I think John Carradine got it right:

He was asked once why he took so many roles in B-movies and such, and he said in summary:  Two reasons:  first, I have a family to feed therefore I must work.  But, each of those roles, no matter how
small was a chance to practice my craft.  The more one practices their craft, the better they become, and
since I love acting I would be foolish not to take every chance I possibly could to practice my craft.
 
2013-04-02 11:52:19 AM

DjangoStonereaver: John Carradine


Yeah, or pull a Christopher Walken and make  "I'm the guy who never turns down a job" your schtick and brand.
 
2013-04-02 11:56:42 AM
David Cross is just another fine example of what everyone learns when they get older:

You say stupid shiat when you are younger and don't have bills. You will contradict yourself later in life because fark it.
 
2013-04-02 12:17:22 PM

browntimmy: I think I would do the same in his position. He could sit around and wait for years for the next respectable paying gig like Arrested Development to come along or do some crap and use the money to help fund projects he wants to make.


He probably has some idea how annoying he is, and that his marketable time will be brief.
 
2013-04-02 12:17:29 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: David Cross is just another fine example of what everyone learns when they get older:

You say stupid shiat when you are younger and don't have bills. You will contradict yourself later in life because fark it.


Or as I like to say, he became an actor, and now he has to act. It's not like being a supervisor at McDonald's and going over to manage a Wendy's. You are an actor, or are not an actor. So what else you gonna do?
 
2013-04-02 12:27:39 PM

InmanRoshi: DjangoStonereaver: John Carradine

Yeah, or pull a Christopher Walken and make  "I'm the guy who never turns down a job" your schtick and brand.


sam l jackson said he's done so many (bad) films because he was raised to never turn down a paying job.
 
2013-04-02 12:28:30 PM

browntimmy: InmanRoshi: AnotherBluesStringer: InmanRoshi: The concept of "selling out" is fundamentally an ideal for the young, the naive and/or the untalented.

Or, you know, people with artistic integrity who don't give a shiat about money. There have been people that have climbed the ladder the hard way.

As   Iggy Pop and Mick Jones found out, you can't get a knee replacement in your 60s with artistic integrity.   Thus the reason why you can see Lust for Life or Should I Stay or Should I Go on your next TV car advertisment.     Eventually you get to a place in live where sleeping in Van and eating dollar whoppers for some meaningless aesthetic is nonsense.     Especially when it's an ideal that the critics don't even practice.    I love it when a bunch of cubicle dwellers who sold their lives to soulless jobs for a steady paycheck right out the gate are the first ones to point towards musicians or artists as sell outs.    That or people who never really offered anything to the world that anyone was willing to buy in the first place.

My stance is if KFC asks to use your song in a commercial I'm fine with it. The whole point of any artist who sells records or performs live is they want people to hear their work. On the other hand, if they start writing chicken jingles for KFC then it's safe to say they're a sellout.


Hey, if I was a struggling musician and KFC asked me to write a chicken jingle for millions of dollars, I would gladly do it. I find KFC disgusting but to be honest the idea of writing a chicken jingle sounds pretty hilarious anyway.
 
2013-04-02 12:30:34 PM
GREEN QUARTER
 
2013-04-02 12:32:41 PM

AcneVulgaris: browntimmy: I think I would do the same in his position. He could sit around and wait for years for the next respectable paying gig like Arrested Development to come along or do some crap and use the money to help fund projects he wants to make.

He probably has some idea how annoying he is, and that his marketable time will be brief.


brief?  Hasn't he been working for like 20 years already?
 
2013-04-02 12:37:05 PM
I am more outraged that he did Curious George 1 AND 2.
 
2013-04-02 12:43:22 PM

DjangoStonereaver: InmanRoshi: I think Bill Murray has it figured out.   Put your face and name at the forefront of all of your artistic ventures to keep that personna, do some low effort quirky stuff to maintain your "street cred", and quietly lay in the weeds and keep a low profile when you're making your shameless cash grabs (not one, but TWO, animated Garfield movies?).

Personally, I think John Carradine got it right:

He was asked once why he took so many roles in B-movies and such, and he said in summary:  Two reasons:  first, I have a family to feed therefore I must work.  But, each of those roles, no matter how
small was a chance to practice my craft.  The more one practices their craft, the better they become, and
since I love acting I would be foolish not to take every chance I possibly could to practice my craft.


If he said "practice my craft" three times, I want to punch him in the nose three times.
 
2013-04-02 12:49:04 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: David Cross is just another fine example of what everyone learns when they get older:

You say stupid shiat when you are younger and don't have bills. You will contradict yourself later in life because fark it.


Yep.
 
2013-04-02 12:49:16 PM

AcneVulgaris: He probably has some idea how annoying he is, and that his marketable time will be brief.


He has been writing and acting for over twenty years. Pretty sure he's doing okay.
 
2013-04-02 12:51:04 PM
chicken pot chicken pot chicken pot piiiieeeeeee.
 
2013-04-02 01:03:14 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: Ben Affleck: You're like a child! What do I keep telling you? You gotta do the safe picture, then you do the art picture... and sometimes you gotta do the payback picture because your friend says you owe him. [both look at the audience] And then sometimes you gotta go back to the well.

Matt Damon: Yeah, and sometimes you do Reindeer Games.

Ben Affleck: See, that was just mean!


GWH2: Hunting Season. Really had the makings of modern cinema gold. Gold Jerry!
 
2013-04-02 01:05:38 PM
http://youtu.be/eExfV_xKaiM

I like being in movies, Gary.
 
2013-04-02 01:17:37 PM
I'd be far more okay with David Cross selling out to do movies like "Alvin and the Chipmunks" if he hadn't been such a complete dickwad to people who sold out to make some money in the past.
 
2013-04-02 01:17:37 PM
"It's the most passive way to watch something. That becomes frustrating and a little infuriating. You've got five scripts piled up nobody will make but this YouTube prank got 8 million hits - or you're trying to make a TV show, whatever the fark it is. But that's entertainment in the Western world."

Yet another sad truth of life.
 
2013-04-02 01:18:48 PM

LDM90: DjangoStonereaver: InmanRoshi: I think Bill Murray has it figured out.   Put your face and name at the forefront of all of your artistic ventures to keep that personna, do some low effort quirky stuff to maintain your "street cred", and quietly lay in the weeds and keep a low profile when you're making your shameless cash grabs (not one, but TWO, animated Garfield movies?).

Personally, I think John Carradine got it right:

He was asked once why he took so many roles in B-movies and such, and he said in summary:  Two reasons:  first, I have a family to feed therefore I must work.  But, each of those roles, no matter how
small was a chance to practice my craft.  The more one practices their craft, the better they become, and
since I love acting I would be foolish not to take every chance I possibly could to practice my craft.

If he said "practice my craft" three times, I want to punch him in the nose three times.


Like I said, I was paraphrasing, but he did say 'practice my craft', but not in the douchebaggy act-OR way.
 
2013-04-02 01:23:38 PM

AnotherBluesStringer: Or, you know, people with artistic integrity who don't give a shiat about money. There have been people that have climbed the ladder the hard way.


Even Parker Posey, Queen of the Indies, did a paycheck movie with Blade: Trinity.

/And Josey & the Pussycats but her part in that movie was that least somewhat consistent with her indie roles.
 
2013-04-02 01:30:15 PM

EngineerAU: AnotherBluesStringer: Or, you know, people with artistic integrity who don't give a shiat about money. There have been people that have climbed the ladder the hard way.

Even Parker Posey, Queen of the Indies, did a paycheck movie with Blade: Trinity.

/And Josey & the Pussycats but her part in that movie was that least somewhat consistent with her indie roles.


And Pepsi Commercials.
 
2013-04-02 01:30:40 PM

cygnusx13: At least he'll admit it. Murray's cockamamie Garfield lie is worse than his sell out for doing the movie in the first place.


It's meant to be. You thought he was actually serious?


/Anybody who cries about "selling out" can fark right off.
 
2013-04-02 01:59:22 PM

RevMercutio: cygnusx13: At least he'll admit it. Murray's cockamamie Garfield lie is worse than his sell out for doing the movie in the first place.

It's meant to be. You thought he was actually serious?


/Anybody who cries about "selling out" can fark right off.


then he's an uber douche as the rest of cast were left out of the gag.
 
2013-04-02 02:43:41 PM

InmanRoshi: The concept of "selling out" is fundamentally an ideal for the young, the naive and/or the untalented.


I just want to know if making that movie infringed upon any of his principles. If not then using the phrase "selling out" is pretty stupid here; sometimes doing something you do not have strong feelings for one way or another is just being a professional.
 
2013-04-02 02:50:12 PM

InmanRoshi: I think Bill Murray has it figured out.   Put your face and name at the forefront of all of your artistic ventures to keep that personna, do some low effort quirky stuff to maintain your "street cred", and quietly lay in the weeds and keep a low profile when you're making your shameless cash grabs (not one, but TWO, animated Garfield movies?).


Bill didn't have it figured out. He thought the writer (Joel Cohen) was actually one of the COEN brothers. That's why he took the project initially. The sequel is where he made the cash grab. Not that there's anything wrong with that at all. Knowing he made a kids movie isn't going to ruin Caddyshack for me or anything.
 
2013-04-02 02:54:29 PM
Doing Alvin and the Chipmunks invalidated whatever he had to say about Larry the Cable Guy, and I think he knows it.
 
2013-04-02 03:00:37 PM

EngineerAU: AnotherBluesStringer: Or, you know, people with artistic integrity who don't give a shiat about money. There have been people that have climbed the ladder the hard way.

Even Parker Posey, Queen of the Indies, did a paycheck movie with Blade: Trinity.

/And Josey & the Pussycats but her part in that movie was that least somewhat consistent with her indie roles.


For what it's worth she was easily one of the more watchable actors in the POS. Hope she got a huge house or a fleet of cars or boats out of the deal.
 
2013-04-02 03:02:13 PM

verbaltoxin: Doing Alvin and the Chipmunks invalidated whatever he had to say about Larry the Cable Guy, and I think he knows it.


I don't think Garfield is targeted to adults and/or encourages anyone to conduct themselves in as uncouth and generally uneducated a manner as possible. It's just... sort lame kid media.
 
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