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2013-04-02 09:12:21 AM
I think we should make it more intimidating by painting it like a giant eyeball.
 
2013-04-02 09:17:18 AM
+1.

/We even teed it up for you.
 
2013-04-02 09:24:25 AM

Sybarite: I think we should make it more intimidating by painting it like a giant eyeball.


The Eye of Sauron.
 
2013-04-02 09:25:28 AM

Sybarite: I think we should make it more intimidating by painting it like a giant eyeball.


Actually, if we did that, they'd just call Giant Robo to defeat it:

i113.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-02 09:58:44 AM

dittybopper: Sybarite: I think we should make it more intimidating by painting it like a giant eyeball.

Actually, if we did that, they'd just call Giant Robo to defeat it:

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I hope North Korea knows that if they keep screwing with Japan, they are getting THIS close to being stomped by a giant, radioactive lizard.
 
2013-04-02 10:01:45 AM
and labeling the U.S. mainland a "boiled pumpkin," vulnerable to attack.

Ok, now them's fightin' words. Kim Jong Un will rue the goddam day he called us a boiled pumpkin!
 
2013-04-02 10:03:05 AM
This wouldn't happen to Moses.
 
2013-04-02 10:04:14 AM
What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

You know that ship isn't going out without a carrier group for protection, is all I'm saying.  The AWACS already come with the carrier group.
 
2013-04-02 10:04:50 AM
The Navy ought to put lasers on it that play anti-Nork light shows on the clouds at night. (Maybe some giant speakers that blare Freedom Rock, too.)

If they're looking to provoke the KJ Un, then that might just do it. Sure, the B-2s and F-22s were attention getters, but parking this thing in international waters right off their coast might just get their goat.

This ought to really get some tiny dicks a'wavin'. Good jorb, Washington.
 
2013-04-02 10:05:10 AM
You know you have air and naval superiority when you're bringing oil rigs to the fight.
 
2013-04-02 10:06:05 AM

Sybarite: I think we should make it more intimidating by painting it like a giant eyeball.


i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-02 10:07:06 AM

NutWrench: and labeling the U.S. mainland a "boiled pumpkin," vulnerable to attack.

Ok, now them's fightin' words. Kim Jong Un will rue the goddam day he called us a boiled pumpkin!


And all of Best Korea licked its collective lips and murmured "MMmmmmmmm, boiled pumpkin!"
 
2013-04-02 10:08:29 AM

The Snow Dog: If they're looking to provoke the KJ Un...


Why would they be looking to provoke him or North Korea? Think about it - when has provocation ever been necessary for us to invade a country? We've got that whole preemptive strike thing pretty well normalized now, but now, suddenly, we need to wait for NK to fire the first shot?
No, something else is going on here.
 
2013-04-02 10:08:31 AM
Hey Kimmmmmmmmmy boi!
i844.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-02 10:09:49 AM

GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.


Stay there day in, day out, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with a per day cost much, much less than flying multiple aircraft.
 
2013-04-02 10:10:04 AM

GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

You know that ship isn't going out without a carrier group for protection, is all I'm saying.  The AWACS already come with the carrier group.


Do you mean the E-2's? Going to be kind of tough on the crews to maintain a 24/7 watch. Bringing this thing into the theater is also going to give a ballistic missile watch capability.
 
2013-04-02 10:10:30 AM
Yeah, well you're...uh... a carmelized yam! So there.
 
2013-04-02 10:11:08 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: Bringing this thing into the theater is also going to give a ballistic missile watch capability.


Are our satellites and long range radar in Alaska not good enough anymore?
 
2013-04-02 10:11:20 AM

mbillips: dittybopper: Sybarite: I think we should make it more intimidating by painting it like a giant eyeball.

Actually, if we did that, they'd just call Giant Robo to defeat it:

[i113.photobucket.com image 600x450]

I hope North Korea knows that if they keep screwing with Japan, they are getting THIS close to being stomped by a giant, radioactive lizard.


Also, if they fark with the children, they'll have to contend with a giant flying turtle.  That knows gymnastics.
 
2013-04-02 10:11:29 AM

dittybopper: Sybarite: I think we should make it more intimidating by painting it like a giant eyeball.

The Eye of Sauron.


This would be AWESOME!  A giant eye of Sauron floating just off the coast of North Korea would be epic!!
 
2013-04-02 10:12:43 AM
Do not taunt happy fun ball.
 
2013-04-02 10:13:55 AM

Theaetetus: The Snow Dog: If they're looking to provoke the KJ Un...

Why would they be looking to provoke him or North Korea? Think about it - when has provocation ever been necessary for us to invade a country? We've got that whole preemptive strike thing pretty well normalized now, but now, suddenly, we need to wait for NK to fire the first shot?
No, something else is going on here.


Shhhh. They don't suspect anything about the lasers or underwater shark pens.
 
2013-04-02 10:14:04 AM

GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

You know that ship isn't going out without a carrier group for protection, is all I'm saying.  The AWACS already come with the carrier group.


How good are AWACS at missile defense?  You know, tracking warheads and all that.

Not really sure what tags along with the SBX, but having seen it hanging around Pearl, and having friends who've toured it, I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-04-02 10:14:14 AM

dittybopper: GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

Stay there day in, day out, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with a per day cost much, much less than flying multiple aircraft.


Spoken like a true ex-squid. CT by any chance?


Theaetetus: Old_Chief_Scott: Bringing this thing into the theater is also going to give a ballistic missile watch capability.

Are our satellites and long range radar in Alaska not good enough anymore?


Those are overwatch. We still need to keep an eye one everybody else but this rig brings a great deal of- let's call it "focus" on Best Korea.
 
2013-04-02 10:17:43 AM

dittybopper: GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

Stay there day in, day out, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with a per day cost much, much less than flying multiple aircraft.


It also operates a giant x-band radar that draws more than a megawatt of power and its plugged into the BMD system.

By the way. An E2D costs almost $200 million.
 
2013-04-02 10:18:21 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: Theaetetus: Old_Chief_Scott: Bringing this thing into the theater is also going to give a ballistic missile watch capability.

Are our satellites and long range radar in Alaska not good enough anymore?

Those are overwatch. We still need to keep an eye one everybody else but this rig brings a great deal of- let's call it "focus" on Best Korea.


Oh, piffle. This isn't a "gosh, NK is such a huge threat that we need to bring a great deal of focus on them to watch for ballistic missile launches," this is a "we're going to park a giant honking radar installation just off your coast and blast you with enough RF to make your fillings rattle, because we can."

Or rather, except for the "because we can" part. We have an ulterior motive for this, and it certainly isn't security.
 
2013-04-02 10:18:47 AM
How is that thing not top heavy?

/honest question, wouldn't even a mild storm flip it over?
 
2013-04-02 10:19:08 AM

GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

You know that ship isn't going out without a carrier group for protection, is all I'm saying.  The AWACS already come with the carrier group.


Sit in one place and monitor 24/7 without refueling, for one thing. It's not a ship; it's a platform that anchors to the bottom.

Theaetetus: Old_Chief_Scott: Bringing this thing into the theater is also going to give a ballistic missile watch capability.

Are our satellites and long range radar in Alaska not good enough anymore?


Not good enough for early warning and rough targeting, which is what the SM-3s on an Aegis cruiser/DDG need to shoot down a Nork missile before it gets to Japan.
 
2013-04-02 10:20:11 AM

Theaetetus: Old_Chief_Scott: Bringing this thing into the theater is also going to give a ballistic missile watch capability.

Are our satellites and long range radar in Alaska not good enough anymore?


Satellites only provide launch warning, and basic (but not detailed) trajectory information.

The radar in Alaska would only see a missile launched from North Korea when it is hundreds of miles high, and quite likely already half-way to it's target.  A radar much closer to the DPRK can give much greater warning times and better trajectory information earlier, so you know where it's aimed.
 
2013-04-02 10:20:34 AM

maudibjr: How is that thing not top heavy?

/honest question, wouldn't even a mild storm flip it over?


Most of it is underwater, where you can't see it, and the radar weighs practically nothing compared to the platform.
 
2013-04-02 10:21:23 AM

maudibjr: How is that thing not top heavy?

/honest question, wouldn't even a mild storm flip it over?


Consider the fact that it's floating, and realize that that means it must be displacing an amount of water equal to its weight... Or, in other words, it's got massive underwater hulls you can't see.
 
2013-04-02 10:23:40 AM
We need a giant projector on a satellite, that could project this on the NK cloud cover.

i50.tinypic.com

That would freak them the hell out.
 
2013-04-02 10:24:14 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: dittybopper: GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

Stay there day in, day out, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with a per day cost much, much less than flying multiple aircraft.

Spoken like a true ex-squid. CT by any chance?


Ex-Army SIGINT weenie.  I knew a few CTs in my day though, the facility I worked in hosted all 4 services.  Well, all 3 military services, plus the Air Force.
 
2013-04-02 10:24:14 AM
Since we're (presumably) just waiting for something to happen and not looking for something specific, that ship probably covers a huge area against a variety of threats (ballistic, surface-to-surface, aircraft, etc.) with lower cost and greater endurance than running AWACs flights all the time.  Plus it can probably do so from greater distance and is a single target, where the AWACS will have to fly right up to the border in numbers, constantly to do the same job.  They're just lowering the cost and the number of opportunities they're giving any potentially trigger-happy Best Koreans, would be my guess.
 
2013-04-02 10:24:50 AM

mbillips: GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

You know that ship isn't going out without a carrier group for protection, is all I'm saying.  The AWACS already come with the carrier group.

Sit in one place and monitor 24/7 without refueling, for one thing. It's not a ship; it's a platform that anchors to the bottom.Theaetetus: Old_Chief_Scott: Bringing this thing into the theater is also going to give a ballistic missile watch capability.

Are our satellites and long range radar in Alaska not good enough anymore?

Not good enough for early warning and rough targeting, which is what the SM-3s on an Aegis cruiser/DDG need to shoot down a Nork missile before it gets to Japan.


The Aegis BMD system is a stand alone system. This provides information to the midcourse interceptors in Alaska and California.
 
2013-04-02 10:25:30 AM

Theaetetus: Oh, piffle.


I've been oh piffled.

It's not even f*cking Wednesday yet and I've been oh piffled.

Damn.
 
2013-04-02 10:26:36 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: Theaetetus: Oh, piffle.

I've been oh piffled.

It's not even f*cking Wednesday yet and I've been oh piffled.

Damn.


At least I didn't bosh or twaddle you.
 
2013-04-02 10:26:45 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Sybarite: I think we should make it more intimidating by painting it like a giant eyeball.

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Ha! Nice.
 
2013-04-02 10:30:05 AM

Theaetetus: The Snow Dog: If they're looking to provoke the KJ Un...

Why would they be looking to provoke him or North Korea? Think about it - when has provocation ever been necessary for us to invade a country? We've got that whole preemptive strike thing pretty well normalized now, but now, suddenly, we need to wait for NK to fire the first shot?
No, something else is going on here.


PNAC isn't running the show anymore?
 
2013-04-02 10:31:18 AM
after North Korea rattled off fresh volleys of bombastic rhetoric over the weekend, declaring that it had entered a "state of war" with the South and labeling the U.S. mainland a "boiled pumpkin," vulnerable to attack.

So paint the radome orange and call this whole thing Operation Glass Slipper just to really annoy Un.
 
2013-04-02 10:31:42 AM

The Snow Dog: The Navy ought to put lasers on it that play anti-Nork light shows on the clouds at night. (Maybe some giant speakers that blare Freedom Rock, too.)

If they're looking to provoke the KJ Un, then that might just do it. Sure, the B-2s and F-22s were attention getters, but parking this thing in international waters right off their coast might just get their goat.

This ought to really get some tiny dicks a'wavin'. Good jorb, Washington.


Be pulled from surplus?

Radar based planes are harder to upkeep and are needed elsewhere. This thing was sitting around. It's not really used, and it won't be a big loss to the effectiveness of our forces if it's sunk.

That thing was mothballed and the program ended a while back.  I bet it's not even operable. There's a big tennis court and hot dog stand inside that dome instead.

It's a "Gulf of Tonkin" type decoy for the Norks to get all excited and intimidated about.

US Navy: "See, our ball is big. This is just one, the other, and the penis are lurking about."

Norks: "Send Hans Brix for negotiations to beglin"
 
2013-04-02 10:31:44 AM

GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

You know that ship isn't going out without a carrier group for protection, is all I'm saying.  The AWACS already come with the carrier group.


Not have to have refueling tankers in the sky. Although airborne radar has other advantages.
 
2013-04-02 10:34:53 AM

dittybopper: Old_Chief_Scott: dittybopper: GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

Stay there day in, day out, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with a per day cost much, much less than flying multiple aircraft.

Spoken like a true ex-squid. CT by any chance?

Ex-Army SIGINT weenie.  I knew a few CTs in my day though, the facility I worked in hosted all 4 services.  Well, all 3 military services, plus the Air Force.


Oh snap...  I resemble that remark.

/Put on a uniform, but sitting in cubicle world doesn't FEEL very "military" like
//We still blow the crap out of stuff better than anyone
 
2013-04-02 10:37:25 AM

NutWrench: and labeling the U.S. mainland a "boiled pumpkin," vulnerable to attack.

Ok, now them's fightin' words. Kim Jong Un will rue the goddam day he called us a boiled pumpkin!



encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

Concurs...kimchi eating sons of biatches.
 
2013-04-02 10:38:05 AM

GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.


It can sink in bad weather.
 
2013-04-02 10:38:54 AM
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Fixed.
 
2013-04-02 10:39:46 AM

GORDON: What can a $200m radar ship do that a couple of $20m AWAC planes can't?  Besides float.

You know that ship isn't going out without a carrier group for protection, is all I'm saying.  The AWACS already come with the carrier group.


You can bring a LOT more power to bear, for one thing.

As an example, the SPY radar on the Aegis ships is an S-band radar in the 5 MW range (IIRC). That radar has a published range of "100+" nautical miles. Exact performance is classified, but back in the 1990s, I saw diagrams that showed how much of the eastern seaboard was covered from the Aegis CSEDS test facility in southern NJ, and you could safely say that it was more than 100 nautical miles in radius.

The SBX-1 radar is X-band, which is higher frequency. That allows finer target resolution. For increased range, I would assume that they're pumping serious megawatts through that antenna, and the machinery required to generate that kind of power is tough to fit in an aircraft.
 
2013-04-02 10:40:45 AM
In case anyone thinks there's a threat that North Korea might pull a 1950-style invasion again, ah, no. Not possible. The ROK armed forces are INFINITELY superior qualitatively, and sufficiently large that the North's superior numbers are meaningless (there's no way the North could supply their standing army in the field, let alone mobilize, feed, supply and transport their supposed 8 million reservists). The North could shoot off some artillery and rockets before the South stomped them into a fine paste, without needing U.S. assistance.

The Nork Air Force mainly flies MiG-21s, designed in the early 1950s, while the South has nearly 200 fully modernized F-16s. 'Nuff said.
 
2013-04-02 10:43:51 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: Theaetetus: Oh, piffle.

I've been oh piffled.

It's not even f*cking Wednesday yet and I've been oh piffled.

Damn.


He's just lucky he didn't go with "pshaw". If theaetetus had pshawed, you clearly would have been forced to say "Good day sir! ...I said good day!"

/tone it down gentleman we don't need another conflict.
 
2013-04-02 10:45:33 AM

pappy1398: Old_Chief_Scott: Theaetetus: Oh, piffle.

I've been oh piffled.

It's not even f*cking Wednesday yet and I've been oh piffled.

Damn.

He's just lucky he didn't go with "pshaw". If theaetetus had pshawed, you clearly would have been forced to say "Good day sir! ...I said good day!"

/tone it down gentleman we don't need another conflict.


That's it! Fetch me my fighting trousers!
 
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