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(C|Net)   Congratulations Microsoft, Windows 8 now has a larger install base than "other"   (news.cnet.com) divider line 27
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2013-04-02 09:17:04 AM  
4 votes:
Still bigger than linux.
2013-04-03 12:56:11 AM  
3 votes:

Wonktnod: leviosaurus: Windows 8 adoption is pathetic.

And it should be, here's how that works:

1. Large swaths of people whine about how horrible "metro" is on desktops/laptops non-stop for months before Windows 8 is released, more vocally than anything we heard about Vista.
2. The average consumer reads these complaints, and listens to them deciding to skip Windows 8 (not understanding that "metro" is not the entire OS).
3. The same people that wouldn't shut up about "metro" now pat themselves on the back and point at Windows 8's adoption rate is proof they were right.

Why is no one buying Windows 8? Among other things, you told them not to.


LOL, so it's my fault, is it?

First thing people saw when they logged into XP:
dreamerkid.com

First thing they saw when they logged into Vista:
farm1.static.flickr.com

Windows 7:
cdn.papyimg.com

Windows 8:
betanews.com

Yeah, Win 8 isn't ugly as shiat or anything. It doesn't destroy the standard experience. I'm making it all up.

For the record, I didn't try Win 8 until after it was released, so I wasn't one of those complaining about metro when it was in Beta. I installed it fully expecting that I would love it, despite the criticism. I've been an exclusive Windows user and a lifelong fanboy going all the way back to 2.0. Hell, I still defend Vista, which I think was unfairly maligned. You think I enjoy trashing Win 8? Nothing could be further from the truth. It amazes me that you can't see it for the crap it is.
2013-04-02 11:42:19 AM  
3 votes:
I know this is probably a troll but:

sure haven't: Why is the desktop a f*cking "app"?


It isn't and it never has been. It's a tile shortcut that simply suspends the Metro overlay. Where the fark have you been?

sure haven't: /no one can ever answer why there are TWO internet explorers


Several people, articles and even a few books have answered this. But just for teh lulz, and in the hopes of someone who actually wants to be educated reads this, it's because one is for touch enabled devices and lives in Metro and the other is the "regular" version which is built for traditional keyboard and mouse and is accessed from the taskbar when you're at the desktop.
2013-04-02 09:58:28 AM  
2 votes:
So Win8 is seeing steady growth of about 1/2% of all end user computers every month, already has 3x's the share of *all* versions of Linux, and more users than any one flavor is OSX, and I'm sure we'll hear about how it's an abject failure from the usual crowd.
2013-04-03 02:54:36 AM  
1 votes:
Caelistis:
Because a "desktop PC" now often comes with a touchscreen. Hell, you can use a trackpad/touchpad as a touch "screen" for controlling Metro. I've even used my tablet as a touch screen interface for my PC.

Very, very few new desktops or laptops are sold with touchscreens. They're a niche item that has a few legitimate uses, but most users will have a better experience with a traditional mouse driven UI.

Like it or not, the average user will not be using a traditional PC in five years. Hell, they barely do it now.

The average home user will probably use a tablet for most computing in 5 years, like you said. The average business user will still be on a traditional computer, unless they're standing in front of a terminal at a fast food counter. Business users are Microsoft's bread and butter.

Microsoft isn't stupid, regardless of their CEO or what we say here on Fark. They know miniaturized handheld devices are the future of Windows and, just like they did with Windows 95, they are beginning to groom their userbase on moving to more personally interactive devices.

Just like they knew that Windows was the future of phones, everyone would have a PocketPC PDA in their pocket, people wanted all of their desktop applications in a cute little room where you click on items to do things, a talking paperclip is an awesome interface for help, and browsers should definitely be able to automatically run unsigned code.

Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, that is where personal computing is heading to.

It's not irrelevant if you're the IT decision maker in an organization.

Even Apple is doing with the slow merger of iOS and OS X.

OSX and iOS are not merging by any stretch of the imagination. Their interfaces look related, but act completely different.
2013-04-02 04:52:46 PM  
1 votes:
Wow, the tablet OS they claim is a desktop OS is failing on the desktop. What a surprise.
2013-04-02 04:35:08 PM  
1 votes:

Caelistis: People want to be mobile and people want to work in spaces that aren't 5'x5' beige cubes. Most people's "work" involves the use of an office suite, a web browser and possibly a dedicated email client. Your average worker isn't doing development work at all, that's only a very small niche in contrast to the overall workforce. For what they need, a tablet or ultrabook is perfect.


Because nothing says "good for spreadsheets and word processing" like a touchscreen. Ultrabook I'll give you, but tablets are useless for work with the exceptions of data entry or reference in the field. If you've got the keyboard attached to your tablet 100% of the time, there's no point in it being a tablet. It's the equivalent of buying a laptop, bolting it to your desk, and using an external screen and keyboard. Sure, you get the same functionality, but you paid for portability and integration that you'll never use.
2013-04-02 03:05:45 PM  
1 votes:

sure haven't: //desktop... is not mobile, and never will be for those who use them for any type of work on earth


And that illustrates perfectly why you don't get it and how out of touch you are with the enterprise, i.e. "work", segment. Tablet adoption and deployment rate is through the roof in not just the enterprise space but also in higher ed with it trickling down to primary ed.

People want to be mobile and people want to work in spaces that aren't 5'x5' beige cubes. Most people's "work" involves the use of an office suite, a web browser and possibly a dedicated email client. Your average worker isn't doing development work at all, that's only a very small niche in contrast to the overall workforce. For what they need, a tablet or ultrabook is perfect.

If Jane wants to work on her sales presentation out on the south lawn of the company campus, there's no reason she can't with modern hardware. If Bill wants to write his research paper from the backseat of his '57 Chevy convertible, he can do that too. They can use ultrabooks for weight savings or tablets for the convenience of portability.

Outside of a small niche, no one goes tot technology based work and says "Man, I LOVE sitting in this cube staring at a monitor all day."

You may enjoy the traditional desktop and you may enjoy sitting at a battered, recycled desk and you may find comfort in the ages old standby of the mouse and keyboard. However, your sweeping generalizations about workflow and the future of systems are silly, antiquated and have no bearing as to what is actually happening.
2013-04-02 02:16:09 PM  
1 votes:
So - Windows 8 - the horrible red-headed step-child of an OS everyone hates has managed to get a bigger install base than the sum of all Linux based desktops?

Oh well.  I'm sure *next year* is going to be the year of the Linux Desktop.  No seriously, I can feel it.

// Only half trolling...
/// Runs Linux
//// But it's in a VM so I'm not l33t
2013-04-02 02:07:38 PM  
1 votes:
sure haven't:
My Windows 8 machine is a desktop PC, why in the blue f*ck would I ever want to use it as a touch screen enabled device?
Further to that, making every program run fullscreen like an "app" is retarded. Changing the default software makes it serviceable, until they take away that ability.


Because a "desktop PC" now often comes with a touchscreen. Hell, you can use a trackpad/touchpad as a touch "screen" for controlling Metro. I've even used my tablet as a touch screen interface for my PC.

Further to that, I've yet to see most, let alone "every", program run exclusively, or even default, run as a full screen app. The only thing retarded here is your understanding of Windows 8, the clear design departure Microsoft took with it, Windows Server and Xbox, and what's coming on the horizon. Like it or not, the average user will not be using a traditional PC in five years. Hell, they barely do it now. Microsoft isn't stupid, regardless of their CEO or what we say here on Fark. They know miniaturized handheld devices are the future of Windows and, just like they did with Windows 95, they are beginning to groom their userbase on moving to more personally interactive devices.

Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, that is where personal computing is heading to. Even Apple is doing with the slow merger of iOS and OS X. Linux, well, as much as I like Linux in the enterprise space, they can't even put together a desktop window manager that doesn't act like a retarded, bipolar schizophrenic off their medication. Until one distribution rises to rule them all, it's going to remain fragmented, tractionless and meaningless in the desktop space.
2013-04-02 01:07:41 PM  
1 votes:

farkeruk: Coffee Snob: I just bought a laptop and I am a casual comouter user, meaning internet and email primarily

The problem is that for "hardcore" users like me, who is often running Visual Studio, SQL Server, Chrome, Fiddler, Notepad++ and who knows what else, it's terrible. I don't want to be taking my focus off half a dozen windows to open an application. So, either people just pin everything to their task bar, or else they pay out $5 for Start8 and get the damn start menu back.


As someone running nearly the same stuff you are -- I don't see how the new start menu takes your focus off any more than the old one did.
2013-04-02 01:05:43 PM  
1 votes:

sure haven't: Caelistis: Several people, articles and even a few books have answered this. But just for teh lulz, and in the hopes of someone who actually wants to be educated reads this, it's because one is for touch enabled devices and lives in Metro and the other is the "regular" version which is built for traditional keyboard and mouse and is accessed from the taskbar when you're at the desktop.

My Windows 8 machine is a desktop PC, why in the blue f*ck would I ever want to use it as a touch screen enabled device?
Further to that, making every program run fullscreen like an "app" is retarded. Changing the default software makes it serviceable, until they take away that ability.


It sounds like you're confusing the start menu with the actual operating system.  I almost never go in there.
2013-04-02 12:58:11 PM  
1 votes:

Coffee Snob: I was prepared to hate the OS, but it's really not bad.


The windows 8 hatred is way overblown, much like what happened with Vista.
2013-04-02 12:56:03 PM  
1 votes:
I can understand people not wanting to move to Windows 8...but staying on XP and not going to 7?  Really?

Windows 8 sucks...I tried it and hated it.  Sticking with 7.
2013-04-02 12:38:13 PM  
1 votes:
8 is fine. The tiles are great on my tv from across the room. Metro works great, unless you still can't let go of your Windows 98.
2013-04-02 12:37:45 PM  
1 votes:

Coffee Snob: I just bought a laptop and I am a casual comouter user, meaning internet and email primarily


The problem is that for "hardcore" users like me, who is often running Visual Studio, SQL Server, Chrome, Fiddler, Notepad++ and who knows what else, it's terrible. I don't want to be taking my focus off half a dozen windows to open an application. So, either people just pin everything to their task bar, or else they pay out $5 for Start8 and get the damn start menu back.

One woman I know bought Start8 just because she couldn't find the shut down button. Because the design is so tablet heavy that they've hidden it, because you don't shut down a tablet.

I might despise Apple with the fire of a million suns, but at least they understood that desktops and tablets need different UIs.
2013-04-02 12:31:55 PM  
1 votes:
Metro UI is trash. There's a reason millions of dollars have been spent on third party apps to neuter or remove it. Almost all the native apps are horrible. And management of the windows is terrible too. seven was perfect. You can tweak 8 to make it ok, but that consists mostly of making it more like seven. its a solid tablet/phone os, but a horrid desktop laptop os
rpm
2013-04-02 11:51:51 AM  
1 votes:

sure haven't: Why is the desktop a f*cking "app"?


Because it always has been since Windows 3, if not earlier?
2013-04-02 11:45:38 AM  
1 votes:
sure haven'tused Windows 8. A simple Google search would have gave you the answer http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-comes-with-2-flavors-of-internet-explo r er-10-ie10-metro-style-app-and-desktop-app/
2013-04-02 11:40:16 AM  
1 votes:

MightyPez: Back in the day hitting the power button would cut power instantly to the entire machine. Among other things, this could cause issues with the hard drive or information stored in RAM.


CSB: The only time my brother (7 years older than I) ever punched me was when I pressed the power button instead of shutting down properly.
/lost some programming work he had been doing
//don't blame him at all
///CSB
2013-04-02 11:36:00 AM  
1 votes:

The sound of one hand clapping: meanmutton: As far as power down goes, it's kind of weird but the way you do it is by pushing the power button on your computer.

I know I'm going to sound like a total noob for asking this, but is that safe?  Pushing the power button on a laptop to shut it down.  I thought that would class as an unexpected shutdown and might cause any unfinished tasks to fail.


Most computers come with a BIOS that defaults to a soft shutdown when the button is pressed. The motherboard receives the shutdown signal and the software initiates a clean shut down. Back in the day hitting the power button would cut power instantly to the entire machine. Among other things, this could cause issues with the hard drive or information stored in RAM.
2013-04-02 11:22:57 AM  
1 votes:
Windows 8 is a pile of sh*t.

How long until they take away the desktop "app"?

Why is the desktop a f*cking "app"?

Windows is not a #loltablet, stop trying to be Apple. You're abandoning the main userbase of your entire system.
Next time if this sh*t keeps up, I'm going to get a mac, or Linux or some sh*t.

/no one can ever answer why there are TWO internet explorers
//Win8 is the Vista of the 20-teens
2013-04-02 11:19:25 AM  
1 votes:
For the so called "Tech savy" that  complain about booting to desktop http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/39487/windows-8-boot-directly-desktop- w ithout-additional-software/ /No software needed
//You're welcome
2013-04-02 10:26:08 AM  
1 votes:

Coffee Snob: I just bought a laptop and I am a casual comouter user, meaning internet and email primarily. It came with Windows 8. I was prepared to hate the OS, but it's really not bad. Having done so much of my computer functions through a smart phone for months, the tiles don't bug me.


It is not a terrible OS, the Modern UI could be better intimated but considering most people are going to live in desktop anyway its not that much of a problem. I think its silly that Microsoft wants you to live in Modern, that isn't going to happen. I think they should of made it easier to bring back the start screen/boot right into desktop. Instead you have to jump through hoops to do the same thing through third party applications.

It could be better, but overall its more stable than 7/faster and that was enough to make Windows 8 my home OS.
2013-04-02 10:07:22 AM  
1 votes:

MrSteve007: So Win8 is seeing steady growth of about 1/2% of all end user computers every month, already has 3x's the share of *all* versions of Linux, and more users than any one flavor is OSX, and I'm sure we'll hear about how it's an abject failure from the usual crowd.


Does this mean Vista is better than 8? I'm not understanding the logic in this.
2013-04-02 09:58:11 AM  
1 votes:
blog.laptopmag.com
2013-04-02 09:55:17 AM  
1 votes:
I just bought a laptop and I am a casual comouter user, meaning internet and email primarily. It came with Windows 8. I was prepared to hate the OS, but it's really not bad. Having done so much of my computer functions through a smart phone for months, the tiles don't bug me.
 
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