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2013-04-02 03:09:11 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: So - Windows 8 - the horrible red-headed step-child of an OS everyone hates has managed to get a bigger install base than the sum of all Linux based desktops?


8 is apparently fine functionally, it's just that Metro interface is trash.  I suspect that the problem that both Linux and Win8 are having right now is not so much that they're bad as that they're unnecessary.  Win7 runs everything fine out of the box, with some settings tweaks you can run everything very will without distracting UI bullshiat and manage permissions without even thinking about it.  To get some vital functionality with Win8 (several windows of varying sizes displaying simultaneously, for instance) you have to fiddle with some settings, which is annoying.

8 boots up, shuts down, and file transfers better... great.  How often do you even shut off your desktop, and how often is the choke on your data rate in your  computer rather than your network?

Summary: 8's basically only getting sold with new computers, no one's bothering with upgrading.  Give it a decade and it'd probably be universal, since there's nothing wrong with it, but that seems an unlikely amount of time to go between versions.
 
2013-04-02 03:11:27 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I have an Asus Vivotab ME400 with full Windows 8 OS. On a tablet, it's a great OS. Switches easy from tiles to desktop and back again. Pretty easy to use, and boots really quickly.
On a desktop, Win 8 sucks ass.
Microsoft needs to let desktops boot straight into the fricken desktop. And give people back the damn start button.
There are work-arounds, and add-ons that can make this happen. But people should not have to add third party programs to make a familiar UI.


Read my post above
 
2013-04-02 03:14:15 PM
Caelistis:

Further to that, I've yet to see most, let alone "every", program run exclusively, or even default, run as a full screen app. The only thing retarded here is your understanding of Windows 8, the clear design departure Microsoft took with it, Windows Server and Xbox, and what's coming on the horizon. Like it or not, the average user will not be using a traditional PC in five years. Hell, they barely do it now. Microsoft isn't stupid, regardless of their CEO or what we say here on Fark. They know miniaturized handheld devices are the future of Windows and, just like they did with Windows 95, they are beginning to groom their userbase on moving to more personally interactive devices.

Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, that is where personal computing is heading to. Even Apple is doing with the slow merger of iOS and OS X. Linux, well, as much as I like Linux in the enterprise space, they can't even put together a desktop window manager that doesn't act like a retarded, bipolar schizophrenic off their medication. Until one distribution rises to rule them all, it's going to remain fragmented, tractionless and meaningless in the desktop space.



So basically I'm never going to have to buy another damn OS "upgrade"? Sweet!

Perfectly happy PC desktop user thanks.
 
2013-04-02 03:15:20 PM

Jim_Callahan: How often do you even shut off your desktop,


Ask Abe Vigodas ghost and the countless other talking about booting to desktop
 
2013-04-02 03:35:32 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Oh well. I'm sure *next year* is going to be the year of the Linux Desktop. No seriously, I can feel it.


Don't laugh.  I know more than a few large companies are waiting to see what Microsoft does with Windows 9.  I've spoken to 3 high-level IT executives that I know personally and they've told me that If Microsoft doesn't return Windows to something usable for their end-users, they will consider Linux.

Why?  Because if companies need to retrain people it's better to dump Microsoft and the ridiculous licensing fees and move to a desktop linux variant.
 
2013-04-02 03:56:42 PM

slayer199: Why? Because if companies need to retrain people it's better to dump Microsoft and the ridiculous licensing fees and move to a desktop linux variant.

Linux is great for most work!
 
2013-04-02 03:57:55 PM

sure haven't: Windows 8 is a pile of sh*t.

How long until they take away the desktop "app"?

Why is the desktop a f*cking "app"?

Windows is not a #loltablet, stop trying to be Apple. You're abandoning the main userbase of your entire system.
Next time if this sh*t keeps up, I'm going to get a mac, or Linux or some sh*t.

/no one can ever answer why there are TWO internet explorers
//Win8 is the Vista of the 20-teens


This ^
 
2013-04-02 04:35:08 PM

Caelistis: People want to be mobile and people want to work in spaces that aren't 5'x5' beige cubes. Most people's "work" involves the use of an office suite, a web browser and possibly a dedicated email client. Your average worker isn't doing development work at all, that's only a very small niche in contrast to the overall workforce. For what they need, a tablet or ultrabook is perfect.


Because nothing says "good for spreadsheets and word processing" like a touchscreen. Ultrabook I'll give you, but tablets are useless for work with the exceptions of data entry or reference in the field. If you've got the keyboard attached to your tablet 100% of the time, there's no point in it being a tablet. It's the equivalent of buying a laptop, bolting it to your desk, and using an external screen and keyboard. Sure, you get the same functionality, but you paid for portability and integration that you'll never use.
 
2013-04-02 04:52:46 PM
Wow, the tablet OS they claim is a desktop OS is failing on the desktop. What a surprise.
 
2013-04-02 05:51:49 PM

xanadian: Still bigger than linux.


Given that this graph isn't factoring in Android, no, it's not.
 
2013-04-02 06:19:02 PM
With Windows 8, install Classic Shell, have it auto launch into the desktop, change all the default applications to desktop versions,  and never look back. I haven't seen the "metro" screen in over a month. It's all good.
 
2013-04-02 07:20:20 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: For the so called "Tech savy" that  complain about booting to desktop http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/39487/windows-8-boot-directly-desktop- w ithout-additional-software/ /No software needed
//You're welcome


...Or just install classic shell. No mucking in settings.
 
2013-04-02 07:43:07 PM
I too hate what Microsoft has done. Windows 8 is an atrocity and they should never have removed the Desktop app or the Start Menu app. It renders the whole operating system USELESS because Windows 8 removes all access to the files on your computer. I have had Windows 8 for three months now and I turn on my compter in the morning, watch tiles flip all day, then the battery runs out and it shuts off. I had to type this post from my iPhone.

I've just ordered a new operating system built by real people, for real people. It's called Wondows 8 and it's a real time saver. When first installed, your Desktop loads full of shortcuts, half of which no longer link to a program. When you've finished surveying your Desktop in all it's corner-arrowed glory, click the Start button. You know you want to. Yes, Wondows 8 comes with a complete 6-column start menu prefilled with New Folder (2) through New Folder (84). And they're just the way you like them...empty. Or are they? Did I mention that Wondows 8 also comes with fun minigames? The Start Menu game lets you try to find that pesky New Folder (1). Where is it? Is it in New Folder (23)? Maybe New Folder (47)? Only you will know.

Wondows 8. It knows how you computer.
 
2013-04-02 08:06:39 PM

Caelistis: I know this is probably a troll but:

sure haven't: Why is the desktop a f*cking "app"?

It isn't and it never has been. It's a tile shortcut that simply suspends the Metro overlay. Where the fark have you been?

sure haven't: /no one can ever answer why there are TWO internet explorers

Several people, articles and even a few books have answered this. But just for teh lulz, and in the hopes of someone who actually wants to be educated reads this, it's because one is for touch enabled devices and lives in Metro and the other is the "regular" version which is built for traditional keyboard and mouse and is accessed from the taskbar when you're at the desktop.


Thanks, not only did I not know there were two versions, but now I know why!
 
2013-04-02 10:32:37 PM
So Windows 8 hasn't gotten to 4% usage after five months. Guess what? Vista was at 4% by five months. Windows 7 got there in less than three weeks. Windows 8 adoption is pathetic.

Meanwhile, Dell is predicting a major crash in the PC market. This was a bad moment for Microsoft to lay an egg.
 
2013-04-02 11:08:37 PM
leviosaurus:Meanwhile, Dell is predicting a major crash in the PC market. This was a bad moment for Microsoft to lay an egg.

Lets take a look at their announcement . . . Uncertain sales of Win 8, a slowdown of enterprise adoption of Win 7, and people moving away from conventional laptops and desktops to tablets and smartphones.

Wow, with that sort of announcement, you'd think that Microsoft would focus attention to developing an operating system that'll work on both touch screen tablets and phones, along with conventional machines, to help people transition. If they were smart, they'd make their interfaces similar, and allow people to run the same software they're used to with conventional PC's, but with a more touch centric approach. A more "modern" UI, if you will.
 
2013-04-03 12:28:44 AM

leviosaurus: Windows 8 adoption is pathetic.


And it should be, here's how that works:

1. Large swaths of people whine about how horrible "metro" is on desktops/laptops non-stop for months before Windows 8 is released, more vocally than anything we heard about Vista.
2. The average consumer reads these complaints, and listens to them deciding to skip Windows 8 (not understanding that "metro" is not the entire OS).
3. The same people that wouldn't shut up about "metro" now pat themselves on the back and point at Windows 8's adoption rate is proof they were right.

Why is no one buying Windows 8? Among other things, you told them not to.
 
2013-04-03 12:39:06 AM

MrSteve007: leviosaurus:Meanwhile, Dell is predicting a major crash in the PC market. This was a bad moment for Microsoft to lay an egg.

Lets take a look at their announcement . . . Uncertain sales of Win 8, a slowdown of enterprise adoption of Win 7, and people moving away from conventional laptops and desktops to tablets and smartphones.

Wow, with that sort of announcement, you'd think that Microsoft would focus attention to developing an operating system that'll work on both touch screen tablets and phones, along with conventional machines, to help people transition. If they were smart, they'd make their interfaces similar, and allow people to run the same software they're used to with conventional PC's, but with a more touch centric approach. A more "modern" UI, if you will.


Ballmer, is that you?

So sales of Win8 tablets have been doing how well, exactly? Oh right, since the numbers in TFA include all Win8 as discrete Internet traffic, then Windows tablets are represented in the >4% number. Meanwhile, non-Windows tablets aren't there at all, despite the fact that they represent 8% of all internet traffic, just ahead of the 7% of Internet traffic from (overwhelmingly non-MS) phones. Overall, if you add non-MS devices into the picture, things start looking a lot less rosy for Microsoft really quickly. Their market dominance has taken a gigantic hit in a very short time, and their latest creation is missing Vista's numbers. The two areas they really owned were desktop, and MS Office. Win 8 will not stop the erosion of MS dominance, and O365 will not rescue Office from its competitors.

This isn't the end for Microsoft, not by a long shot. This is just the beginning of the end.
 
2013-04-03 12:56:11 AM

Wonktnod: leviosaurus: Windows 8 adoption is pathetic.

And it should be, here's how that works:

1. Large swaths of people whine about how horrible "metro" is on desktops/laptops non-stop for months before Windows 8 is released, more vocally than anything we heard about Vista.
2. The average consumer reads these complaints, and listens to them deciding to skip Windows 8 (not understanding that "metro" is not the entire OS).
3. The same people that wouldn't shut up about "metro" now pat themselves on the back and point at Windows 8's adoption rate is proof they were right.

Why is no one buying Windows 8? Among other things, you told them not to.


LOL, so it's my fault, is it?

First thing people saw when they logged into XP:
dreamerkid.com

First thing they saw when they logged into Vista:
farm1.static.flickr.com

Windows 7:
cdn.papyimg.com

Windows 8:
betanews.com

Yeah, Win 8 isn't ugly as shiat or anything. It doesn't destroy the standard experience. I'm making it all up.

For the record, I didn't try Win 8 until after it was released, so I wasn't one of those complaining about metro when it was in Beta. I installed it fully expecting that I would love it, despite the criticism. I've been an exclusive Windows user and a lifelong fanboy going all the way back to 2.0. Hell, I still defend Vista, which I think was unfairly maligned. You think I enjoy trashing Win 8? Nothing could be further from the truth. It amazes me that you can't see it for the crap it is.
 
2013-04-03 01:19:39 AM

leviosaurus: Wonktnod: leviosaurus: Windows 8 adoption is pathetic.

And it should be, here's how that works:

1. Large swaths of people whine about how horrible "metro" is on desktops/laptops non-stop for months before Windows 8 is released, more vocally than anything we heard about Vista.
2. The average consumer reads these complaints, and listens to them deciding to skip Windows 8 (not understanding that "metro" is not the entire OS).
3. The same people that wouldn't shut up about "metro" now pat themselves on the back and point at Windows 8's adoption rate is proof they were right.

Why is no one buying Windows 8? Among other things, you told them not to.

LOL, so it's my fault, is it?

First thing people saw when they logged into XP:
[dreamerkid.com image 435x326]

First thing they saw when they logged into Vista:
[farm1.static.flickr.com image 500x375]

Windows 7:
[cdn.papyimg.com image 500x375]

Windows 8:
[betanews.com image 600x400]

Yeah, Win 8 isn't ugly as shiat or anything. It doesn't destroy the standard experience. I'm making it all up.

For the record, I didn't try Win 8 until after it was released, so I wasn't one of those complaining about metro when it was in Beta. I installed it fully expecting that I would love it, despite the criticism. I've been an exclusive Windows user and a lifelong fanboy going all the way back to 2.0. Hell, I still defend Vista, which I think was unfairly maligned. You think I enjoy trashing Win 8? Nothing could be further from the truth. It amazes me that you can't see it for the crap it is.


1/10
 
2013-04-03 02:26:18 AM
mtylerjr.smallbizdepot.com

Win8 + Start8 is unbeatable, IMHO
 
2013-04-03 02:41:39 AM

leviosaurus: It amazes me that you can't see it for the crap it is.


Metro isn't the greatest design decision ever, sure, but you're being misleading by saying the entire operating system is bad because you don't like the start menu.
 
2013-04-03 02:54:36 AM
Caelistis:
Because a "desktop PC" now often comes with a touchscreen. Hell, you can use a trackpad/touchpad as a touch "screen" for controlling Metro. I've even used my tablet as a touch screen interface for my PC.

Very, very few new desktops or laptops are sold with touchscreens. They're a niche item that has a few legitimate uses, but most users will have a better experience with a traditional mouse driven UI.

Like it or not, the average user will not be using a traditional PC in five years. Hell, they barely do it now.

The average home user will probably use a tablet for most computing in 5 years, like you said. The average business user will still be on a traditional computer, unless they're standing in front of a terminal at a fast food counter. Business users are Microsoft's bread and butter.

Microsoft isn't stupid, regardless of their CEO or what we say here on Fark. They know miniaturized handheld devices are the future of Windows and, just like they did with Windows 95, they are beginning to groom their userbase on moving to more personally interactive devices.

Just like they knew that Windows was the future of phones, everyone would have a PocketPC PDA in their pocket, people wanted all of their desktop applications in a cute little room where you click on items to do things, a talking paperclip is an awesome interface for help, and browsers should definitely be able to automatically run unsigned code.

Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, that is where personal computing is heading to.

It's not irrelevant if you're the IT decision maker in an organization.

Even Apple is doing with the slow merger of iOS and OS X.

OSX and iOS are not merging by any stretch of the imagination. Their interfaces look related, but act completely different.
 
2013-04-03 07:14:16 AM

blue_2501: xanadian: Still bigger than linux.

Given that this graph isn't factoring in Android, no, it's not.


Headline FTFA: "Windows 8 ekes out 3.2 percent of desktop OS market"

Android on a desktop PC.........hmmmmm.
 
2013-04-03 07:42:10 AM

leviosaurus: Wonktnod: leviosaurus: Windows 8 adoption is pathetic.

And it should be, here's how that works:

1. Large swaths of people whine about how horrible "metro" is on desktops/laptops non-stop for months before Windows 8 is released, more vocally than anything we heard about Vista.
2. The average consumer reads these complaints, and listens to them deciding to skip Windows 8 (not understanding that "metro" is not the entire OS).
3. The same people that wouldn't shut up about "metro" now pat themselves on the back and point at Windows 8's adoption rate is proof they were right.

Why is no one buying Windows 8? Among other things, you told them not to.

LOL, so it's my fault, is it?

First thing people saw when they logged into XP:
[dreamerkid.com image 435x326]

First thing they saw when they logged into Vista:
[farm1.static.flickr.com image 500x375]

Windows 7:
[cdn.papyimg.com image 500x375]

Windows 8:
[betanews.com image 600x400]

Yeah, Win 8 isn't ugly as shiat or anything. It doesn't destroy the standard experience. I'm making it all up.

For the record, I didn't try Win 8 until after it was released, so I wasn't one of those complaining about metro when it was in Beta. I installed it fully expecting that I would love it, despite the criticism. I've been an exclusive Windows user and a lifelong fanboy going all the way back to 2.0. Hell, I still defend Vista, which I think was unfairly maligned. You think I enjoy trashing Win 8? Nothing could be further from the truth. It amazes me that you can't see it for the crap it is.



Same here. I upgraded my PC from XP to W8 (a machine that I'd upgraded the mobo and chip a couple of years ago) and am very impressed with how fast it is and very happy that I upgraded. As long as I have Classic Shell that is, because the new UI (Metro, no Start button, hidden buttons, non-intuitive features etc) is terrible without it. Just yesterday I looked for an app and went to the app store. Now, how do I search the app store? Search box? Search button? No. "You just start typing". How farking stupid is that? Sure it's easy once you know how, but 100% non intuitive when you don't.
When you do start typing it brings up options on the right. Click "Apps" because that's what I'm looking for, duh,  and even though you are in the App Store that searches only the apps you already have on your PC. Again, non intuitive. I'm already in App Store. Why would I need to select Store again?

And that search only works in the main Store menu. If you click on Games and then try to search it doesn't work. You have to go back to the main Store page, start typing, click Store, and then when you get the results use the drop down menu to select Games.

I can see the logic in trying to unify your desktop PC and your tablet/phone OS experience but MS screwed up by trying to force that touch interface down the throats of desktop users. Touch interface is totally useless for the vast majority of PC users. You want me to spend hours sitting at my desk holding my arm out horizontal in front of me? Fark that.  Touch makes sense on a tablet since you are holding it in your hand already. On desktops it does not work. Unless you work in McDonalds running the checkout.
 
2013-04-03 07:51:01 AM

Wonktnod: leviosaurus: It amazes me that you can't see it for the crap it is.

Metro isn't the greatest design decision ever, sure, but you're being misleading by saying the entire operating system is bad because you don't like the start menu.


It's not just the Start menu (or Metro as I still call it). It's the fact that even in Desktop it hides controls in the corners. Annoying pop up controls. The number of times I'm trying to do something in a program and accidentally go near the corner and the charms bar appears. Or the fact that Metro is not just the Start menu, it is an environment in its own right. Like when you open a Metro app you then get full screen only, and no clue how you close apps.

I love W8, and have installed it on three PCs. But all have Classic Shell as well. The OS is great. The UI is bad. The entire UI, not just the Start menu.
 
2013-04-03 07:53:03 AM

Flint Ironstag: Wonktnod: leviosaurus: It amazes me that you can't see it for the crap it is.

Metro isn't the greatest design decision ever, sure, but you're being misleading by saying the entire operating system is bad because you don't like the start menu.

It's not just the Start menu (or Metro as I still call it). It's the fact that even in Desktop it hides controls in the corners. Annoying pop up controls. The number of times I'm trying to do something in a program and accidentally go near the corner and the charms bar appears. Or the fact that Metro is not just the Start menu, it is an environment in its own right. Like when you open a Metro app you then get full screen only, and no clue how you close apps.

I love W8, and have installed it on three PCs. But all have Classic Shell as well. The OS is great. The UI is bad. The entire UI, not just the Start menu.


And the fact that third party add ons like Classic Shell, Start8 etc can fix those problems and work perfectly just proves that MS didn't need to force us into Metro to make the unified OS/UI work. They did not need to scrap the traditional Windows UI to add the touch UI.
 
2013-04-03 07:57:25 AM
I'm looking forward to upgrading to Windows 7 in the next year. My 5 year old Vista box is starting to cough and sputter a bit, and it's struggling to play the newest games.

By the way, as long as PC gaming is alive and well, you will never see the PC going away. Anybody claiming that PCs are going away within 5 years is a crackpot.
 
2013-04-03 08:53:07 AM

Boxingoutsider: Metro UI is trash. There's a reason millions of dollars have been spent on third party apps to neuter or remove it. Almost all the native apps are horrible. And management of the windows is terrible too. seven was perfect. You can tweak 8 to make it ok, but that consists mostly of making it more like seven. its a solid tablet/phone os, but a horrid desktop laptop os


I can get used to the shiatty launcher, but the goddamn native apps are a disgrace. That alone makes this an abject failure of integration.
 
2013-04-03 12:17:45 PM

jack21221: I'm looking forward to upgrading to Windows 7 in the next year. My 5 year old Vista box is starting to cough and sputter a bit, and it's struggling to play the newest games.

By the way, as long as PC gaming is alive and well, you will never see the PC going away. Anybody claiming that PCs are going away within 5 years is a crackpot.


Sure, as a hardware platform, pcs will always be around. But does pc gaming require Windows? If you primarily use your pc for Office, do you need Windows to access O365, our can you get by with an android based terminal? Since the answers are obvious, what's the value proposition for Windows, again?

Keep in mind, the second largest chunk of people out there are still running XP. Happily. If the majority of Win7 users decide to wait 10+ years to upgrade, what options will be available for them? Do you seriously think Google or Amazon won't have a viable option in place within the next 5 years? Sure, pcs will be around for decades. Windows, maybe not.
 
2013-04-03 08:32:20 PM
The Classic Shell app makes Windows 8 a much better OS for desktop PC's.
The Metro interface makes no sense without a touchscreen.
I have a suspicion that Microsoft needs to use a touch-interface to modernize the computer. Apple has spectacular touchpads on its laptops (and desktops!), and I suspect that they may also control numerous patents on that touchpad. That would prevent Microsoft from developing a decent touchpad UI, and thus Microsoft must jump ahead to a touchscreen-based interface.
I can't think of any other reason that Mac's have a more comfortable interface than PC's, without Microsoft trying to catch up.

A touchscreen should also be pretty, but most Windows laptops have a sad 720p resolution. 720p just isn't enough for clear, crisp text and images. Apple was very clever to use better screens across all their models.
 
2013-04-03 08:41:36 PM

leviosaurus: But does pc gaming require Windows?


Is this a serious question? For the most part, yes, it does. It either requires Windows or running a virtual instance of Windows. If you're willing to wait a year or so, many games will also come out on Mac, and a few select games will come out on Linux, but the majority of games require Windows.
 
2013-04-03 11:45:36 PM

browntimmy: Windows 8 + a simple install of Classic Shell = a slightly improved version of Windows 7. My new laptop has Windows 8 and I'm not complaining.


THIS. I have been using it for about 2 months now and 97% of the time, I don't even realise it's Windows 8. The other 3% of the time I realise because I discover some new feature that's actually quite useful.
 
2013-04-04 05:38:00 AM

Chris45215: A touchscreen should also be pretty, but most Windows laptops have a sad 720p resolution. 720p just isn't enough for clear, crisp text and images. Apple was very clever to use better screens across all their models.



My very point in smartphone threads. My HTC has a 720p screen so I can watch HD video in proper HD while the iPhone only has 680 pixels.

But a quick check of a retailers website shows that most laptops anywhere near the price of Apple laptops have 1080 resolutions while Apple have lots of 900 pixel screens and do some pricy laptops with 768 screens.   Apple 768  and  Samsung 1080  for example.
 
2013-04-04 02:55:51 PM

Flint Ironstag: My very point in smartphone threads. My HTC has a 720p screen so I can watch HD video in proper HD while the iPhone only has 680 pixels.


The iPhone is 19.56 x 34.78? What an odd resolution :)
 
2013-04-04 03:58:10 PM

ProfessorOhki: Flint Ironstag: My very point in smartphone threads. My HTC has a 720p screen so I can watch HD video in proper HD while the iPhone only has 680 pixels.

The iPhone is 19.56 x 34.78? What an odd resolution :)


My bad. I meant to say vertical pixels.

But I've just checked. The iPhone 4, 4S and 5 all have only 640 lines! Actually far fewer than I said!

Thank you for putting me right.
 
2013-04-05 02:43:04 PM

Iplaybass: browntimmy: Windows 8 + a simple install of Classic Shell = a slightly improved version of Windows 7. My new laptop has Windows 8 and I'm not complaining.

THIS. I have been using it for about 2 months now and 97% of the time, I don't even realise it's Windows 8. The other 3% of the time I realise because I discover some new feature that's actually quite useful.


Same. I use Start8/Stardock for the shell - everything just works now, I haven't had any issues with drivers (64 bit Win8 Enterprise) - Ive actually had fewer compatibility issues than with Windows 7. I still dual boot with win7 (actually I boot Ubuntu too occasionally) but there isn't anything left that I have that runs only on win7 and not win8, so I'm likely going to free up the win7 partition soon.

It -is- a performance upgrade from win7, and it seems to like my SSD more
 
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