That the felt the need to say this is most telling.

GreenAdder: So if Apple already has two more advanced phones, why aren't they released yet?

"We're waiting for the price of components to come down" is not a valid answer. Apple already knows they could scribble the Apple logo on a brick and sell it for $3,000.

Because you don't cannibalize your existing products just to release something new? I'm pretty sure their yearly product cycle is used to allow an existing phone to cover its R&D and manufacturing costs. Year goes by, healthy profit is made, new product is then released to start cycle over.

Other manufacturers may release several devices at once, but that is usually trying to cater to multiple tiers at once. Low, medium, high end consumers; for example. From what we've seen of Apple's phone strategy  the newest one is considered the latest and greatest and previous models see a price drop to appeal to medium and low demographics.

MightyPez: Because you don't cannibalize your existing products just to release something new?

It isn't that.

GreenAdder: So if Apple already has two more advanced phones, why aren't they released yet?

"We're waiting for the price of components to come down" is not a valid answer. Apple already knows they could scribble the Apple logo on a brick and sell it for $3,000.

Meh, iPhone wouldn't sell at $3k

I wonder if it will be able to call shenanigans.

dangelder: MightyPez: Because you don't cannibalize your existing products just to release something new?

It isn't that.

Clearly I've been told with that level of discourse.

GreenAdder: MightyPez: Because you don't cannibalize your existing products just to release something new?

So you're saying they're capable of coming out with better tech than what's out right now, and they choose not to.

Or they're lying about Jobs having anything to do with the new phones.

Neither one paints a flattering picture.

Have you ever been to R&D labs for tech companies? Microsoft's is particularly impressive as they have products they are testing that they don't anticipate will be released for 15 years.

The goal of companies isn't to release everything they have. It's to make a profit. Usually that means sitting on technology or products until they think the market will bear them.

GreenAdder: MightyPez: Because you don't cannibalize your existing products just to release something new?

So you're saying they're capable of coming out with better tech than what's out right now, and they choose not to.

Or they're lying about Jobs having anything to do with the new phones.

Neither one paints a flattering picture.

Are you under the impression that Samsung doesnt have a phone they are working on that will be released in 2014 or later?

I would think any tech company that doesn't have technology for 3 years out is not going to be very successful.

Probably a good amount of android fanboys in here, right? Which phone should I get: HTC One or Samsung Galaxy S4?

dangelder: MightyPez: Because you don't cannibalize your existing products just to release something new?

It isn't that.

Yeah, it's because Apple is the ONLY company in the world who is trying to make money off the backs of their customers.  Everybody else releases their most advanced technology the moment they think of it...and for free, because they just exist for the betterment of mankind.

Grow up.

MightyPez: GreenAdder: MightyPez: Because you don't cannibalize your existing products just to release something new?

So you're saying they're capable of coming out with better tech than what's out right now, and they choose not to.

Or they're lying about Jobs having anything to do with the new phones.

Neither one paints a flattering picture.

Have you ever been to R&D labs for tech companies? Microsoft's is particularly impressive as they have products they are testing that they don't anticipate will be released for 15 years.

The goal of companies isn't to release everything they have. It's to make a profit. Usually that means sitting on technology or products until they think the market will bear them.

Yep, and it's often referred to as a product road map. There is also the little limitation that the last 10% of product development usually requires 90% of the effort, so products being tested now for later release are not complete, and this would be the case for the next two iPhones. Designs may be "finalized" until Foxconn comes back with an unsavory price, form factor, or thermal requirements, and the designs have to be updated.

So they'll be a bit too small and you won't be able to do much multitasking and the maps will suck. But I wouldn't worry about it too much, after these two surely his influence will be gone and they can put together a truly nice product.

Approves

Steve Jobs has now become Tupac Shakur.

Grither: Probably a good amount of android fanboys in here, right? Which phone should I get: HTC One or Samsung Galaxy S4?

I'll bite.

If you are only giving those two choices I'd pick the S4.

My reasoning is that while the build quality of the One is gorgeous, but no removable battery or SD slot are my personal deal breakers. That and HTC's constant changing of their flagship phone and abandonment of updating unless you're rooted of most others gives me pause. The S4 design is uninspired but as with the iPhone their motto has become if it's not broke, don't fix it.

Now if you expand the choices to add the Xperia, Nexus 4, and iPhone 5 my choice remains the same, however with the Xperia you get a rugged water resistant build quality. The Nexus 4 you get a relatively cheap off contact phone (with less storage space, 16GB and no SD card slot) and iPhone if size is a problem. Everything's becoming relatively equal on specs and speed unless you're a tech junkie.

But if you're in no hurry, I'd wait for the Google I/O and Apple shindig.

the opposite of charity is justice: That they felt the need to say this is most telling.

Exactly. Why should it matter?

"may have been"

I`ll just leave this here from the headline...

theflatline: tribute: Grither: Probably a good amount of android fanboys in here, right? Which phone should I get: HTC One or Samsung Galaxy S4?

I'll bite.

If you are only giving those two choices I'd pick the S4.

My reasoning is that while the build quality of the One is gorgeous, but no removable battery or SD slot are my personal deal breakers. That and HTC's constant changing of their flagship phone and abandonment of updating unless you're rooted of most others gives me pause. The S4 design is uninspired but as with the iPhone their motto has become if it's not broke, don't fix it.

Now if you expand the choices to add the Xperia, Nexus 4, and iPhone 5 my choice remains the same, however with the Xperia you get a rugged water resistant build quality. The Nexus 4 you get a relatively cheap off contact phone (with less storage space, 16GB and no SD card slot) and iPhone if size is a problem. Everything's becoming relatively equal on specs and speed unless you're a tech junkie.

But if you're in no hurry, I'd wait for the Google I/O and Apple shindig.

I take at least two escalations a day for HTC phones due to them being defecting out of the box or in the first few months of use.  Which is why the 1x can be had at 99 cents most days.

Xperia, good luck with updates to the OS.

Nexus 4 is a solid phone for its price, and rivals the iphone 5 at half the cost.

The Nexus 4 paired with Tmobiles $30 a month unlimited data and texting plan is probably the best deal in the US for smartphones.

iPhone 5 uses a non-Apple-proprietary cable connection. Surest sign Steve is dead.

Carth: The Nexus 4 paired with Tmobiles $30 a month unlimited data and texting plan is probably the best deal in the US for smartphones.

Dear God THIS!

I switched to this combo and am in heaven.

GreenAdder: So you're saying they're capable of coming out with better tech than what's out right now, and they choose not to.

Welcome to capitalism.

Grither: Probably a good amount of android fanboys in here, right? Which phone should I get: HTC One or Samsung Galaxy S4?

I'd wait til more reviews of the GS4 come out, but right now, to me, the HTC one looks like the superior phone. Front-facing stereo speakers, awesome new camera features, and blows away the GS4 in build quality. The GS4 looks awesome too. Gorilla glass 3 is supposed to be extremely durable. The hardware specs of the GS4 are a bit better too, but only by a hair. The GS4 also has a removable battery and an SD card slot if that's important to you. For me personally, the 32gb storage that comes onboard with the One at the same/lower price than the 16gb GS4 is fine.
I will likely be upgrading to the LG Nexus 4. As an above poster said, T-Mobile's unlimited data at $30 if you bring your own device is a steal.

tribute: My reasoning is that while the build quality of the One is gorgeous, but no removable battery or SD slot are my personal deal breakers.

Thanks! And yeah, I was thinking I'll appreciate the replaceable battery... as I know I did with my current Galaxy S2. And sticking with something I'm more familiar with is probably a good idea, too. It's just that the One looks so nice! Wish we could get the eight core S4 here in the states, though.

MightyPez: dangelder: MightyPez: Because you don't cannibalize your existing products just to release something new?

It isn't that.

Clearly I've been told with that level of discourse.

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: dangelder: MightyPez: Because you don't cannibalize your existing products just to release something new?

It isn't that.

Yeah, it's because Apple is the ONLY company in the world who is trying to make money off the backs of their customers.  Everybody else releases their most advanced technology the moment they think of it...and for free, because they just exist for the betterment of mankind.

Grow up.

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Designed can mean something as simple as a drawing on a napkin.

"It'll be like the iPhone, except more powerful and with new features."

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Designed can mean something as simple as a drawing on a napkin.

In all fairness, the idea for the original lunar landing module was drawn on a napkin.

theflatline: tribute: Grither: Probably a good amount of android fanboys in here, right? Which phone should I get: HTC One or Samsung Galaxy S4?

I'll bite.

If you are only giving those two choices I'd pick the S4.

My reasoning is that while the build quality of the One is gorgeous, but no removable battery or SD slot are my personal deal breakers. That and HTC's constant changing of their flagship phone and abandonment of updating unless you're rooted of most others gives me pause. The S4 design is uninspired but as with the iPhone their motto has become if it's not broke, don't fix it.

Now if you expand the choices to add the Xperia, Nexus 4, and iPhone 5 my choice remains the same, however with the Xperia you get a rugged water resistant build quality. The Nexus 4 you get a relatively cheap off contact phone (with less storage space, 16GB and no SD card slot) and iPhone if size is a problem. Everything's becoming relatively equal on specs and speed unless you're a tech junkie.

But if you're in no hurry, I'd wait for the Google I/O and Apple shindig.

I take at least two escalations a day for HTC phones due to them being defecting out of the box or in the first few months of use.  Which is why the 1x can be had at 99 cents most days.

Xperia, good luck with updates to the OS.

Nexus 4 is a solid phone for its price, and rivals the iphone 5 at half the cost.

Samsung 4 should be solid as the S3.


I'll jump in too. Had an awesome S3, but grabbed a Note2 because of size. Same phone, just a bit bigger and the S-pen is dope. The S4 will be amazing as long as Sammy keeps going in their current direction.

Also, development (if you're into that kind of thing) is leaning towards Sammy more so than any other brand.

InmanRoshi: [www.stevegasser.com image 600x400]

Ladies and gentleman I bring to you ... the pad and pencil.

At first I was skeptical about it's robustness, but then I unlocked the full potential of the awesome organizational ability it contained within.   Note taking, scheduling, task listing, contacts ... it does it all. Clean. Simple. Elegant. Functional. Dependable. Light weight. Intuitive.

Neo-luddites trying to be clever are so cute

InmanRoshi: MightyPez: Neo-luddites trying to be clever are so cute

Gosh, the word luddite gets thrown around so casually and flippantly these days.    I'll gladly and openly embrace any advancements in genetics or bioengineering that  have been developed to cure disease and alleviate human suffering.   I'm just not putting your ability to play Words With Friends and tweet about what you ate for dinner into the category of human advancement.

My mistake, your suggestion for people to put down devices that give us easy access to the largest repository of human knowledge ever collected and pick up a pencil was clearly meant as an actual alternative.

Next up: the ox and cart. Clean. Simple. Elegant. Functional. Dependable. Light weight. Intuitive.

InmanRoshi: MightyPez: Neo-luddites trying to be clever are so cute

Gosh, the word luddite gets thrown around so casually and flippantly these days.    I'll gladly and openly embrace any advancements in genetics or bioengineering that  have been developed to cure disease and alleviate human suffering.   I'm just not putting your ability to play Words With Friends and tweet about what you ate for dinner into the category of human advancement.

I love it.  I have a computer in my pocket that is more powerful than 90% of the computers I have owned in my lifetime, and you pooh-pooh it because some people play games or use Twitter from theirs.

i actually wouldn't mind having an iwatch or whatever instead of my iphone

InmanRoshi: [www.stevegasser.com image 600x400]

Ladies and gentleman I bring to you ... the pad and pencil.

At first I was skeptical about it's robustness, but then I unlocked the full potential of the awesome organizational ability it contained within.   Note taking, scheduling, task listing, contacts ... it does it all. Clean. Simple. Elegant. Functional. Dependable. Light weight. Intuitive.

I tried pad and pencil, but I was getting 172,800,000 ms latency on all my packets.

InmanRoshi: HeartBurnKid: InmanRoshi: MightyPez: Neo-luddites trying to be clever are so cute

Gosh, the word luddite gets thrown around so casually and flippantly these days.    I'll gladly and openly embrace any advancements in genetics or bioengineering that  have been developed to cure disease and alleviate human suffering.   I'm just not putting your ability to play Words With Friends and tweet about what you ate for dinner into the category of human advancement.

I love it.  I have a computer in my pocket that is more powerful than 90% of the computers I have owned in my lifetime, and you pooh-pooh it because some people play games or use Twitter from theirs.

Never has so much been used to accomplish so astonishingly little.    In fact, when I go to a concert and see more people documenting the event rather than dancing to the music, it seems like it's more of a hindrance to human experience than an advancement.

Some people use their devices for things you don't like, therefore ALL devices are bad.

InmanRoshi: HeartBurnKid: InmanRoshi: MightyPez: Neo-luddites trying to be clever are so cute

Gosh, the word luddite gets thrown around so casually and flippantly these days.    I'll gladly and openly embrace any advancements in genetics or bioengineering that  have been developed to cure disease and alleviate human suffering.   I'm just not putting your ability to play Words With Friends and tweet about what you ate for dinner into the category of human advancement.

I love it.  I have a computer in my pocket that is more powerful than 90% of the computers I have owned in my lifetime, and you pooh-pooh it because some people play games or use Twitter from theirs.

Never has so much been used to accomplish so astonishingly little.    In fact, when I go to a concert and see more people documenting the event rather than dancing to the music, it seems like it's more of a hindrance to human experience than an advancement.

Sure, but that's akin to complaining about printing presses because of tabloids, radio broadcast because of Beiber, or videography because of reality TV.

GreenAdder: So if Apple already has two more advanced phones, why aren't they released yet?

"We're waiting for the price of components to come down" is not a valid answer. Apple already knows they could scribble the Apple logo on a brick and sell it for $3,000.

They need adequate time to hype up the exciting and revolutionary new features, only available on Apple.  iPhone 6 will feature a revolutionary new screen that is 7% larger.  iPhone 7 will feature a never-before-seen-on-smartphones mini-HDMI out.

GreenAdder: So if Apple already has two more advanced phones, why aren't they released yet?

"We're waiting for the price of components to come down" is not a valid answer. Apple already knows they could scribble the Apple logo on a brick and sell it for $3,000.

Where do I line up for the iBrick?

InmanRoshi: HeartBurnKid: InmanRoshi: MightyPez: Neo-luddites trying to be clever are so cute

Gosh, the word luddite gets thrown around so casually and flippantly these days.    I'll gladly and openly embrace any advancements in genetics or bioengineering that  have been developed to cure disease and alleviate human suffering.   I'm just not putting your ability to play Words With Friends and tweet about what you ate for dinner into the category of human advancement.

I love it.  I have a computer in my pocket that is more powerful than 90% of the computers I have owned in my lifetime, and you pooh-pooh it because some people play games or use Twitter from theirs.

Never has so much been used to accomplish so astonishingly little.    In fact, when I go to a concert and see more people documenting the event rather than dancing to the music, it seems like it's more of a hindrance to human experience than an advancement.

Sounds to me that your problem isn't with the phones, but with the people.