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2013-04-01 10:17:39 PM
Zoning laws? If the area isn't zoned for agriculture you might be able to kick the smelly bastards out. Alternatively, price out the cost to install an air filtration system for their grow operation and tell them they can either spend the money buying the air purifier or they can give it to their lawyer when you sue them.
 
2013-04-01 10:33:41 PM
In their what?
 
2013-04-01 10:51:13 PM
Their castle

/there wolf
 
2013-04-01 10:58:18 PM
Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.
 
2013-04-01 11:02:07 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.


I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem. What's the point of having lawyers if we're just going to legislate every last detail of everything?

Either cull the laws or the lawyers. I'm okay with either and both, but seriously we don't need new laws to tell people their crops stink.
 
2013-04-01 11:14:30 PM
The comments on their website links to a first story about these people complaining. They sound like they are just trying to be assholes, the lady says her face "gets paralyzed", they even complain that the smell makes one of their dogs hack and cough, and another one sneeze a lot.

yeah right
 
2013-04-01 11:24:02 PM
There should be zoning laws, fire code inspections, electrical inspections, regulations for this in general.  Residential areas should not be used to grow marijuana on a scale to sell to dispensaries.  Personal use is one thing, enough to make for selling is another.
 
2013-04-02 12:05:59 AM

martissimo: The comments on their website links to a first story about these people complaining. They sound like they are just trying to be assholes, the lady says her face "gets paralyzed", they even complain that the smell makes one of their dogs hack and cough, and another one sneeze a lot.

yeah right


It sounds like second hand exposure might mellow her out.

basemetal: There should be zoning laws, fire code inspections, electrical inspections, regulations for this in general.  Residential areas should not be used to grow marijuana on a scale to sell to dispensaries.  Personal use is one thing, enough to make for selling is another.


You know how I know you've never spent any time there?
 
2013-04-02 12:50:42 AM
That seems like, if true, should fall under the same categories that prevent you from making your yard trashy - having chickens, letting your grass grow 2 feet tall, that sort of thing.
 
2013-04-02 01:09:30 AM
The smell of pot growing is "overwhelming"? Waaaaaaah I don't like what they are doing next door! Get the gummint out here, right now!
 
2013-04-02 01:17:05 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.

I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem.


So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?  Tomatoes are fruit, according to the  gubmint, and pizza sauce counts as a vegetable.
 
2013-04-02 01:19:25 AM

GAT_00: That seems like, if true, should fall under the same categories that prevent you from making your yard trashy - having chickens, letting your grass grow 2 feet tall, that sort of thing.


Public nuisance? Then gubmint can confiscate your pot and the property on which it's grown.
 
2013-04-02 01:21:06 AM

doglover: We have to cull the laws


All laws are on the Internet, so there is no getting rid of them.
 
2013-04-02 01:23:01 AM

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.

I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem.

So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?  Tomatoes are fruit, according to the  gubmint, and pizza sauce counts as a vegetable.


Whoops, my mistake.  FDA says tomatoes are veggies.  Actually, they're berries.
 
2013-04-02 01:27:57 AM

basemetal: There should be zoning laws, fire code inspections, electrical inspections, regulations for this in general.  Residential areas should not be used to grow marijuana on a scale to sell to dispensaries.  Personal use is one thing, enough to make for selling is another.


True but I'm guessing the zoning for growing things (in general) is pretty lax there. So you can raise vegetables, chickens, goats, etc on your urban farm/homestead. Oh and hops for your homebrew, which you can deliver by the growler on your fixie. Definitely need a lot of hops because you're not very talented at brewing and are going to make an IPA with overpowering hops flavor like everybody else.

Anyway. I don't like pot and don't like the smell. Never been to a grow operation that size, can't say whether the smell would be enough to bother me. Could definitely see how it could be a problem, wouldn't rule it out.
 
2013-04-02 01:37:35 AM

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: That seems like, if true, should fall under the same categories that prevent you from making your yard trashy - having chickens, letting your grass grow 2 feet tall, that sort of thing.

Public nuisance? Then gubmint can confiscate your pot and the property on which it's grown.


I would imagine it would be treated the same as any other neighborhood nuisance.
 
2013-04-02 01:41:59 AM

BarkingUnicorn: So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?


No. We just stop dealing with it at all. Wash our hands of the whole thing.

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But it gets you high? What if you're driving or something? DUI already applies to all intoxicants, not just alcohol. Got it covered.

What if my neighbor sets up a full scale growing operation? Zoning laws, got it covered.

What if kids smoke it and get all farked up? Child endangerment laws, got it covered.

What if someone smokes it in public? No smoking laws, got it covered.

There's nothing marijuana does that isn't already legislated, often over legislated. Just let the people smoke their sticky icky. If it was bad for you, Willie Nelson and Snoop Dogg would have been dead in the 80's.
 
2013-04-02 01:53:02 AM
Try living next to a chicken farm, then cry to me about fowl smells.

Also:
There is a "noisome odors or vapors" ordinance in Chapter 8, Section 36 of Portland City Code. It says "No person shall burn upon any premises or in any street, alley or other place, any animal or vegetable substance which shall create an offensive or noxious odor."

Doesn't really apply, does it now?  They're growing the weed, not smoking it.
 
2013-04-02 02:38:54 AM

timujin: Try living next to a chicken farm, then cry to me about fowl smells.

Also:
There is a "noisome odors or vapors" ordinance in Chapter 8, Section 36 of Portland City Code. It says "No person shall burn upon any premises or in any street, alley or other place, any animal or vegetable substance which shall create an offensive or noxious odor."

Doesn't really apply, does it now?  They're growing the weed, not smoking it.


Or multiple drug dealers (and I suspect meth labs) in my case. At least most pot clients don't break into your car or scream at each other at five in the f*cking morning over a $10 debt.
 
2013-04-02 02:46:33 AM

doglover: What if my neighbor sets up a full scale growing operation? Zoning laws, got it covered.


But here's a case in which it's not covered.  Zoning laws need to change.  That means adding to them, because all the existing laws are necessary. ;-)

"Child endangerment" is a vague term.  I just googled for Oregon laws and couldn't find anything that covers "left pot where kid could get it" or "allowed kid to ingest pot."  I read laws about first and second degree child neglect, endangering the welfare of  a child, and child physical abuse.  The last one is a classic:  "any injury to a child that is not accidental."  Does MJ cause any injury to children? Oh, now we need a legislative declaration that it does; the law gets bigger.

The problem is that damned Due Process Clause.  The very first step in due process is "fair notice of what is prohibited."  A reasonable person of ordinary intelligence must be able to determine whether an act is prohibited before he commits it, by reading the law.  That's why laws specify so many prohibited items in tedious lists (bong, carburetor, hookah, vaporizer, etc.,with specific defintions).  That's why MJ has to be added to existing laws, with specific MJ-related acts that are prohibited.

Would "any substance that is prohibited to persons under the age of 21" work? IDK; be worth a try.
 
2013-04-02 02:52:01 AM

BarkingUnicorn: But here's a case in which it's not covered. Zoning laws need to change.


No, the asshole neighbors need to shut up or move. If you live next to a farm that doesn't have a cow, and they proceed to buy more cows that you've ever seen in your life and all that poo smell rolls over you every day and makes you sick, you have to move because you're the one living in an area that's zoned for it.

The neighbors are allowed to grow pot. You don't like it? Leave. And don't let the metaphorical door hit you on the way out.
 
2013-04-02 03:20:06 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: But here's a case in which it's not covered. Zoning laws need to change.

No, the asshole neighbors need to shut up or move. If you live next to a farm that doesn't have a cow, and they proceed to buy more cows that you've ever seen in your life and all that poo smell rolls over you every day and makes you sick, you have to move because you're the one living in an area that's zoned for it.

The neighbors are allowed to grow pot. You don't like it? Leave. And don't let the metaphorical door hit you on the way out.


Uh-uh.  The paramount right in a residential zone - the fundamental reason to have such a zone - is the peaceful enjoyment of your home. The restrictions on noise, smells, and other disturbances that your neighbors can inflict upon you are much tighter than they are in zones that are dedicated to other purposes.

Grow your pot, as long as I don't have to smell it.  Of course, I'll have to prove damage if we go to court, but if I do you will stop growing pot, control its smell, or GTFO.
 
2013-04-02 03:58:11 AM
LO
 
2013-04-02 04:07:53 AM

BarkingUnicorn: is the peaceful enjoyment of your home.


And litigious neighbors make it impossible to enjoy said home. QED

In Schlock Mercenary, the space opera by Howard Taylor, there's one societal advancement I've always approved of: the mercenaries have a standing contract to destroy any attorney drones they encounter on sight. It's fiction, and drones are robots not beings, but the next step in societal evolution can only come when we abandon they failures of the past. Anyone who's lived in America for any length of time in the past 50 years can attest to the fact lawyers are the primary source of most problems.
 
2013-04-02 04:14:29 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Uh-uh.  The paramount right in a residential zone - the fundamental reason to have such a zone - is the peaceful enjoyment of your home. The restrictions on noise, smells, and other disturbances that your neighbors can inflict upon you are much tighter than they are in zones that are dedicated to other purposes.

Grow your pot, as long as I don't have to smell it.  Of course, I'll have to prove damage if we go to court, but if I do you will stop growing pot, control its smell, or GTFO.


Let's say you can't stand the smell of pine trees, hell maybe you're even allergic to them. Do you think you can tell neighbors they need to cut em down?

There have been court cases over that very thing where allergic people were told to stuff it with their lawsuit
 
2013-04-02 04:21:13 AM
I'd think this is a zoning thing isn't it? They've essentially setup a business in a residential neighborhood haven't they? or is medical marijuana only grown for personal use?

I, obviously, don't know how it works, but if my neighbor started a pig farm next to my house, I'd be a little upset too.
 
2013-04-02 04:31:26 AM

martissimo: BarkingUnicorn: Uh-uh.  The paramount right in a residential zone - the fundamental reason to have such a zone - is the peaceful enjoyment of your home. The restrictions on noise, smells, and other disturbances that your neighbors can inflict upon you are much tighter than they are in zones that are dedicated to other purposes.

Grow your pot, as long as I don't have to smell it.  Of course, I'll have to prove damage if we go to court, but if I do you will stop growing pot, control its smell, or GTFO.

Let's say you can't stand the smell of pine trees, hell maybe you're even allergic to them. Do you think you can tell neighbors they need to cut em down?

There have been court cases over that very thing where allergic people were told to stuff it with their lawsuit


Might turn out that way here.  But each case is decided on its own merits.  There is no SCOTUS decision saying, "Suck it, allergy sufferers."  Ours is a system of checks and balances.
 
2013-04-02 04:34:04 AM

log_jammin: I'd think this is a zoning thing isn't it? They've essentially setup a business in a residential neighborhood haven't they? or is medical marijuana only grown for personal use?

I, obviously, don't know how it works, but if my neighbor started a pig farm next to my house, I'd be a little upset too.


Grower claims it's not a business.
 
2013-04-02 04:36:31 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: is the peaceful enjoyment of your home.

And litigious neighbors make it impossible to enjoy said home. QED


If you have a history of vexatious litigation, you'll be barred from the courts.  If you have a history of vexatious odor emissions, you'll be barred from the neighborhood.
 
2013-04-02 04:40:12 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Grower claims it's not a business.


Well then it's clearly within the precedent set by STFU v. GBTW
 
2013-04-02 04:40:41 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Grower claims it's not a business.


after two articles and a video I can't say I'm really outraged about this story either way.
 
2013-04-02 04:42:56 AM
If I were the growers, I'd start a big compost pile right on the property line and toss hundreds of fish heads on it every day.
 
2013-04-02 04:45:25 AM
If my neighbors plant a beds of society garlic or some other smelly plant then I am SOL anyway.

This is no different.
 
2013-04-02 04:49:40 AM
Is this the Gloria Peterson? Of Tom and Gloria fame?

That would make this hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwZ80FEEZQo
 
2013-04-02 04:51:10 AM
When can I get rid of the curry-loving hipsters next door? Artisan curry with frufru ingredients means hours of FARKING STENCH. I mean, they're not doing anything illegal, but neither are the people in TFA, so...if they can make other people modify their behavior based on their preferences, so can I.
 
2013-04-02 04:53:11 AM

untaken_name: When can I get rid of the curry-loving hipsters next door? Artisan curry with frufru ingredients means hours of FARKING STENCH. I mean, they're not doing anything illegal, but neither are the people in TFA, so...if they can make other people modify their behavior based on their preferences, so can I.


Have you tried?
 
2013-04-02 04:54:16 AM

doglover: No, the asshole neighbors need to shut up or move. If you live next to a farm that doesn't have a cow, and they proceed to buy more cows that you've ever seen in your life and all that poo smell rolls over you every day and makes you sick, you have to move because you're the one living in an area that's zoned for it.


Yet the same kind of assholes have shut down race tracks in areas that were formerly rural.
 
2013-04-02 04:56:56 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Have you tried?


No because he's not an asshole.
 
2013-04-02 04:58:15 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: If I were the growers, I'd start a big compost pile right on the property line and toss hundreds of fish heads on it every day.


Just make sure the neighbors isn't like my Chinese girlfriend. She loves those things.
 
2013-04-02 04:58:28 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Have you tried?

No because he's not an asshole.


Anyone who defends his rights against yours is an asshole?
 
2013-04-02 04:59:38 AM
I'm allergic to grass. I DEMAND ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS REMOVE THEIR ALLERGEN PRODUCING LAWNS!
 
2013-04-02 05:04:22 AM

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Have you tried?

No because he's not an asshole.

Anyone who defends his rights against yours is an asshole?



If they call a lawyer, yes.
 
2013-04-02 05:05:51 AM
Id be interested to know how many of the people in this thread are actually from Portland. This is the city where shiat like zoobomb has been running for over a decade..
 
2013-04-02 05:07:52 AM
If it isnt on your property than beat it. Its weed not a meth lab. If the smell bothers you plant some flowers get some air freshener burn some insense.

Sounds to me like these guys could use a good joint.

any number of solutions to the smell. So please mind your own business
 
2013-04-02 05:09:07 AM

swingbozo: I'm allergic to grass. I DEMAND ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS REMOVE THEIR ALLERGEN PRODUCING LAWNS!


If enough of your neighbors join you in that complaint, your demand will be met.  Zoning boards are unlike courts in that the former routinely listen to the people. You just have to show up with enough people. If a zoning board can accommodate the majority's wishes within the zoning law, it generally will.  If laws need to be changed, you go to the lawmakers.

Can't wait until HOAs get involved in this issue.
 
2013-04-02 05:10:57 AM

doglover: Just let the people smoke their sticky icky. If it was bad for you, Willie Nelson and Snoop Dogg would have been dead in the 80's


I doubt Willie Nelson would have even made it to the 80's, he'd already been smoking for decades by that point.

Tommy Chong would probably have died in the 80's too.
 
2013-04-02 05:11:09 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Have you tried?

No because he's not an asshole.

Anyone who defends his rights against yours is an asshole?


If they call a lawyer, yes.


And the only alternative to calling a lawyer is to "be reasonable, do it my way."  But that's not being an asshole.
 
2013-04-02 05:12:19 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: But here's a case in which it's not covered. Zoning laws need to change.

No, the asshole neighbors need to shut up or move. If you live next to a farm that doesn't have a cow, and they proceed to buy more cows that you've ever seen in your life and all that poo smell rolls over you every day and makes you sick, you have to move because you're the one living in an area that's zoned for it.

The neighbors are allowed to grow pot. You don't like it? Leave. And don't let the metaphorical door hit you on the way out.



If your city zoning laws and/or HOA didn't specifically exclude chickens, and your neighbors started a small chicken farm, would you be taking your own advice, or would you want to close that obvious loophole?

As for your specific example, I have seen the HOA of a new development sue a nearby farm because they didn't realize that real farms don't smell as good as "country fresh scent" Downy. They lost, but the case went on far longer than I wold have liked, and the verdict was based on whether the farmer should be responsible for moving the barn and manure pond to another part of the farm, not "it's zoned as a farm so cows are allowed".
 
2013-04-02 05:12:55 AM
I worked for a roofing manufacturer years ago.  They had a plant that refined the oil and it did smell awful.  Someone built a tennis club and then some upscale housing near there. Then the complaints started coming in about the smell.  They brought a little device in one day that was a werid looking little fan and plugged it in.  It somehow perfumed the air and you could amazingly no longer smell the stench of the asphalt. Perhaps something like this.
 
2013-04-02 05:13:04 AM

BarkingUnicorn: If enough of your neighbors join you in that complaint, your demand will be met.


But when it's just one couple they should STFU.
 
2013-04-02 05:13:23 AM
Oh, you can bet your sweet ass the Feds will get involved.  You boy Obama has been cracking down on pot harder than Bush ever dream of.
 
2013-04-02 05:16:02 AM

BarkingUnicorn: untaken_name: When can I get rid of the curry-loving hipsters next door? Artisan curry with frufru ingredients means hours of FARKING STENCH. I mean, they're not doing anything illegal, but neither are the people in TFA, so...if they can make other people modify their behavior based on their preferences, so can I.

Have you tried?


Are you kidding? They might call la migra on me.
 
2013-04-02 05:16:31 AM

the ha ha guy: If your city zoning laws and/or HOA didn't specifically exclude chickens, and your neighbors started a small chicken farm, would you be taking your own advice


YES. That's the point.
 
2013-04-02 05:17:02 AM

BarkingUnicorn: log_jammin: I'd think this is a zoning thing isn't it? They've essentially setup a business in a residential neighborhood haven't they? or is medical marijuana only grown for personal use?

I, obviously, don't know how it works, but if my neighbor started a pig farm next to my house, I'd be a little upset too.

Grower claims it's not a business.


Does anyone believe that that amount of pot is for personal use?  Seriously look at that.  And it's being grown in a makeshift greenhouse thing so you can't really argue they need to stock up for the lean season.

Having said all that, do pot plants themselves smell?  I can't stand the smell of pot being smoked (sweet and sickly and bleh) but I've never noticed the plants people I've known had in their closets smelled of anything much, but I was never around them when they were flowering I don't think.

/I wish my neighbours would get rid of their elder trees
//The strong stench of cat urine ruins a fine day
 
2013-04-02 05:18:18 AM

the ha ha guy: As for your specific example, I have seen the HOA of a new development sue a nearby farm because they didn't realize that real farms don't smell as good as "country fresh scent" Downy. They lost, but the case went on far longer than I wold have liked, and the verdict was based on whether the farmer should be responsible for moving the barn and manure pond to another part of the farm, not "it's zoned as a farm so cows are allowed".


This is just the death throes of an ailing legal system, not evidence of good judgement.
 
2013-04-02 05:19:35 AM

Bigdogdaddy: I worked for a roofing manufacturer years ago.  They had a plant that refined the oil and it did smell awful.  Someone built a tennis club and then some upscale housing near there. Then the complaints started coming in about the smell.  They brought a little device in one day that was a werid looking little fan and plugged it in.  It somehow perfumed the air and you could amazingly no longer smell the stench of the asphalt. Perhaps something like this.


That seems to be all the complaining couple wants... on the grower's end.
 
2013-04-02 05:20:47 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: But here's a case in which it's not covered. Zoning laws need to change.

No, the asshole neighbors need to shut up or move. If you live next to a farm that doesn't have a cow, and they proceed to buy more cows that you've ever seen in your life and all that poo smell rolls over you every day and makes you sick, you have to move because you're the one living in an area that's zoned for it.

The neighbors are allowed to grow pot. You don't like it? Leave. And don't let the metaphorical door hit you on the way out.


Yeah. You're a dick. FYI. The fact that you see those situations as parallel means you shouldn't really be discussing this situation with adults. I'm sure there's a street corner a block off a high school where you will find people more on that level of sensibility.
 
2013-04-02 05:21:07 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: If enough of your neighbors join you in that complaint, your demand will be met.

But when it's just one couple they should STFU.


Not before they've said their say to the proper authorities.  They have that bothersome First Amendment right to petition their government for redress of grievances.
 
2013-04-02 05:22:08 AM

untaken_name: BarkingUnicorn: untaken_name: When can I get rid of the curry-loving hipsters next door? Artisan curry with frufru ingredients means hours of FARKING STENCH. I mean, they're not doing anything illegal, but neither are the people in TFA, so...if they can make other people modify their behavior based on their preferences, so can I.

Have you tried?

Are you kidding? They might call la migra on me.


LOL!  It's "Le Migre," gringo.
 
2013-04-02 05:22:25 AM
perhaps they would prefer a maggot farm?
 
2013-04-02 05:24:00 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Bigdogdaddy: I worked for a roofing manufacturer years ago.  They had a plant that refined the oil and it did smell awful.  Someone built a tennis club and then some upscale housing near there. Then the complaints started coming in about the smell.  They brought a little device in one day that was a werid looking little fan and plugged it in.  It somehow perfumed the air and you could amazingly no longer smell the stench of the asphalt. Perhaps something like this.

That seems to be all the complaining couple wants... on the grower's end.


It'd probably be cheaper than lawsuits or fines from city hall.
 
2013-04-02 05:24:07 AM

Popular Opinion: perhaps they would prefer a maggot farm?


The GOP isn't particularly powerful in that state.
 
2013-04-02 05:27:08 AM

untaken_name: BarkingUnicorn: untaken_name: When can I get rid of the curry-loving hipsters next door? Artisan curry with frufru ingredients means hours of FARKING STENCH. I mean, they're not doing anything illegal, but neither are the people in TFA, so...if they can make other people modify their behavior based on their preferences, so can I.

Have you tried?

Are you kidding? They might call la migra on me.


How else can you make it home in time for chupas wedding?
 
2013-04-02 05:27:32 AM

BarkingUnicorn: untaken_name: BarkingUnicorn: untaken_name: When can I get rid of the curry-loving hipsters next door? Artisan curry with frufru ingredients means hours of FARKING STENCH. I mean, they're not doing anything illegal, but neither are the people in TFA, so...if they can make other people modify their behavior based on their preferences, so can I.

Have you tried?

Are you kidding? They might call la migra on me.

LOL!  It's "Le Migre," gringo.


You're not from around here, obviously. If you actually believe that, that makes it even funnier.
 
2013-04-02 05:28:12 AM

if_i_really_have_to: BarkingUnicorn: log_jammin: I'd think this is a zoning thing isn't it? They've essentially setup a business in a residential neighborhood haven't they? or is medical marijuana only grown for personal use?

I, obviously, don't know how it works, but if my neighbor started a pig farm next to my house, I'd be a little upset too.

Grower claims it's not a business.

Does anyone believe that that amount of pot is for personal use?  Seriously look at that.  And it's being grown in a makeshift greenhouse thing so you can't really argue they need to stock up for the lean season.

Having said all that, do pot plants themselves smell?  I can't stand the smell of pot being smoked (sweet and sickly and bleh) but I've never noticed the plants people I've known had in their closets smelled of anything much, but I was never around them when they were flowering I don't think.


Pot smells powerfully only when it's budding.

Grower may be a caregiver for several patients, each of whom is entitled to X plants which he grows for them.  Plus his own plants for his personal use.

Washingtonians, is the medical MJ law irrelevant now that recreational use is legal up there?
 
2013-04-02 05:30:11 AM
zoning laws are a way to abuse land rights and to exert control over people. Most cities have them though.

Oh well, there's a huge plot of land zoned agricultural very close to my home. I can't wait until they realize they can make more money from pot than whatever it is they grow there. Bonus: It's right across the street from a school.
 
2013-04-02 05:32:33 AM
Did the neighbor accidentally the whole thing?
 
2013-04-02 05:32:34 AM

untaken_name: BarkingUnicorn: untaken_name: BarkingUnicorn: untaken_name: When can I get rid of the curry-loving hipsters next door? Artisan curry with frufru ingredients means hours of FARKING STENCH. I mean, they're not doing anything illegal, but neither are the people in TFA, so...if they can make other people modify their behavior based on their preferences, so can I.

Have you tried?

Are you kidding? They might call la migra on me.

LOL!  It's "Le Migre," gringo.

You're not from around here, obviously. If you actually believe that, that makes it even funnier.


You're right; it's "La Migra" and I'm a native American (born and raised in Chicago).
 
2013-04-02 05:34:45 AM

BarkingUnicorn: You're right


Of course. :)

BarkingUnicorn: it's "La Migra"


I know.

BarkingUnicorn: and I'm a native American (born and raised in Chicago).


Go Bears!
 
2013-04-02 05:36:24 AM

BarkingUnicorn: I'm a native American


A woo woo native American or a dot native American?
 
2013-04-02 05:43:06 AM
skreened.com
 
2013-04-02 05:46:50 AM
As expected, I figured the "defend marijuana growers under all circumstances" crowd has come forth. The marijuana defense squad has become almost as nuts as religious fundamentalists.
 
2013-04-02 05:48:21 AM
i47.tinypic.com

Yeah ;)
 
2013-04-02 05:53:44 AM
The neighbor could make a stinky compost pile. The the medical MJ grower would probably complain that the smell was ruining their plants.

Or there is always round up in a pressure washer.
 
2013-04-02 05:54:52 AM

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Yeah ;)


Is that what they look like now?
 
2013-04-02 05:55:46 AM
Who the hell would grow pot in that former Soviet state in current Russia? Or in a post by that horny guy with a number in front of his name? Or in that gaping, cavernous sphincter spread by hands? Or at the house of that one ex-Farker who liked metal and pigs but couldn't keep himself in check? Or in any other proper noun and phrase that's banned on Fark?
 
2013-04-02 05:57:24 AM

puffy999: Or at the house of that one ex-Farker who liked metal and pigs but couldn't keep himself in check?


???
 
2013-04-02 05:57:29 AM

log_jammin: I'd think this is a zoning thing isn't it? They've essentially setup a business in a residential neighborhood haven't they? or is medical marijuana only grown for personal use?

I, obviously, don't know how it works, but if my neighbor started a pig farm next to my house, I'd be a little upset too.


Because the constant squealing of the plants would keep you up at night? Because plant shiat stinks? I am struggling with the analog here...
 
2013-04-02 06:13:41 AM

SDRR: I am struggling with the analog here...


I'm struggling to figure out why you're struggling.

I said "I'd think this is a zoning thing isn't it? They've essentially setup a business in a residential neighborhood" I said that because different areas are zoned for different things. Residential for housing, business for...business, agriculture for farms/etc..

Therefore, a person in a residential area might be upset when something not zoned for that area is suddenly next door to them. be it me upset about a smelly pig farm, or an aging yuppie clutching her pearls because she's "allergic" to the smell of a MJ growing business.
 
2013-04-02 06:26:50 AM
I've had pothead neighbors - well actually rastas with their ganja,

I've also had other neighbors (old Eastern Europeans) who boil cabbage for hours and hours. cook goddamn liver 'n' onions and bake stinky fish.

Guess what smells worse?
 
2013-04-02 06:29:45 AM

BarkingUnicorn: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.

I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem.

So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?  Tomatoes are fruit, according to the  gubmint, and pizza sauce counts as a vegetable.

Whoops, my mistake.  FDA says tomatoes are veggies.  Actually, they're berries.


And berries are fruit.
 
2013-04-02 07:04:10 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: I've had pothead neighbors - well actually rastas with their ganja,

I've also had other neighbors (old Eastern Europeans) who boil cabbage for hours and hours. cook goddamn liver 'n' onions and bake stinky fish.

Guess what smells worse?


Cilantro.
 
2013-04-02 07:08:27 AM
Been a while, but I've been around large bushy plants, sticky with resin, and I don't recall any odor unless you were right next to them.
 
2013-04-02 07:13:00 AM

BarkingUnicorn: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.

I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem.

So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?  Tomatoes are fruit, according to the  gubmint, and pizza sauce counts as a vegetable.

Whoops, my mistake.  FDA says tomatoes are veggies.  Actually, they're berries.


It's an  arbitrary classification either way.
 
2013-04-02 07:21:14 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: I've had pothead neighbors - well actually rastas with their ganja,

I've also had other neighbors (old Eastern Europeans) who boil cabbage for hours and hours. cook goddamn liver 'n' onions and bake stinky fish.

Guess what smells worse?


C) All of the above.
 
2013-04-02 07:22:29 AM
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2013-04-02 07:25:18 AM

martissimo: The comments on their website links to a first story about these people complaining. They sound like they are just trying to be assholes, the lady says her face "gets paralyzed", they even complain that the smell makes one of their dogs hack and cough, and another one sneeze a lot.

yeah right


Yep. We'll be seeing more of this kind of NIMBY crap, as folks who didn't get their way at the polls try to get it through more convoluted means. As long as they're registered, 475.304 covers marijuana grow sites.
 
2013-04-02 07:27:22 AM
Their outta be a law.
 
2013-04-02 07:33:16 AM

if_i_really_have_to: Having said all that, do pot plants themselves smell?  I can't stand the smell of pot being smoked (sweet and sickly and bleh) but I've never noticed the plants people I've known had in their closets smelled of anything much, but I was never around them when they were flowering I don't think.


The police stormed my neighbor's apartment a month ago, because of his cannabis farm. It was one of the worst stenches ever. Imagine Brussels sprouts boiled with bird shiat -- and I got the stink through a concrete wall. I have no idea what it would have been like to share the hallway with the guy. I thought the stink came form a fungus or something until the cops came and the smell vanished. It is truly vile.

I see people in this thread complaining about pine trees and various stinky foods, but none of that can hold a candle to a cannabis plantation. It's right up there with rotting garbage and open sewers, just more subtle.

I'm all for legalizing drugs and so on, but I don't like neighbors who stink up my home.
 
2013-04-02 07:37:53 AM
Sue under the Clean Air Act.
 
2013-04-02 07:43:59 AM
I lived in an apartment next door to a lady with two cats.  I'm allergic so I was constantly congested and my eyes always were red and itchy.  Plus, they must have pissed or sprayed or whatever all over because the stench was worse than an open sewer, but more subtle.
 
2013-04-02 07:54:42 AM
I have the same problem -- I live about 1/2-hour from PDX.

I live in an area zoned residential/commercial. Our very elderly neighbor died last year, and the house was rented to growers. They are the worst neighbors, ever. (Well, maybe not *ever*, but they suck.) They have no concern for their neighbors, and the place has gone to hell with litter. The three 20-something kids show up every few days to check the plants in rotation. Each of them has a pimped-out ride that screams "I don't know how to launder all the money I'm scamming."

They installed a ventilation system in the basement that's pointed right at my duplex. Some days, the entire block stinks of freshly mowed skunks. The cops were called by another neighbor for various reasons, and the cops and zoning enforcement told her the same thing -- they have growing proxies and it's zoned correctly, so nothing can be done.

I have no problem with pot, really, but these guys/girls are really dicks.
 
2013-04-02 08:02:40 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.

I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem. What's the point of having lawyers if we're just going to legislate every last detail of everything?

Either cull the laws or the lawyers. I'm okay with either and both, but seriously we don't need new laws to tell people their crops stink.


So you've driven by a feed lot lately?  WHEW! some days there's just NO air there
 
2013-04-02 08:04:16 AM

swingbozo: I'm allergic to grass. I DEMAND ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS REMOVE THEIR ALLERGEN PRODUCING LAWNS!


Second.  I replaced my required sidewalk strip grass with all female clone buffalo grass.  No Pollen, no mowing, but it is brown in the winter.
 
2013-04-02 08:05:43 AM

BarkingUnicorn: BarkingUnicorn: Tomatoes are fruit, according to the  gubmint, and pizza sauce counts as a vegetable.

Whoops, my mistake.  FDA says tomatoes are veggies.  Actually, they're berries.


They are vegetables, because that's how we use them culinarily... They're also botanical fruits (yes, berries, specifically)... This is not some government conspiracy or weird nonsensical rulemaking... It's just a difference between culinary terms and botanical terms...

Why does everyone always bring up tomatoes, but never any of the other fruits/vegetables which it applies equally as well to? For instance, peppers are also a botanical fruit, but are also considered culinary vegetables... The same goes for squash, cucumbers, eggplants, and a whole bunch of other things... Yet everyone just obsesses over the damn tomatoes as if they were the odd man out!
 
2013-04-02 08:12:36 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: I have the same problem -- I live about 1/2-hour from PDX.

I live in an area zoned residential/commercial. Our very elderly neighbor died last year, and the house was rented to growers. They are the worst neighbors, ever. (Well, maybe not *ever*, but they suck.) They have no concern for their neighbors, and the place has gone to hell with litter. The three 20-something kids show up every few days to check the plants in rotation. Each of them has a pimped-out ride that screams "I don't know how to launder all the money I'm scamming."

They installed a ventilation system in the basement that's pointed right at my duplex. Some days, the entire block stinks of freshly mowed skunks. The cops were called by another neighbor for various reasons, and the cops and zoning enforcement told her the same thing -- they have growing proxies and it's zoned correctly, so nothing can be done.

I have no problem with pot, really, but these guys/girls are really dicks.


I wonder how well their crops would do if the electric meter "vanished". If it's as bad as you say, I'm sure the other people on your block would look the other way.
 
2013-04-02 08:16:02 AM

RoadRage78: I wonder how well their crops would do if the electric meter "vanished". If it's as bad as you say, I'm sure the other people on your block would look the other way.


There has been idle talk in the neighborhood about such things. Like, "Does anyone know where you can get large quantities of spider mites for the basement air intake?"
 
2013-04-02 08:22:16 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: RoadRage78: I wonder how well their crops would do if the electric meter "vanished". If it's as bad as you say, I'm sure the other people on your block would look the other way.

There has been idle talk in the neighborhood about such things. Like, "Does anyone know where you can get large quantities of spider mites for the basement air intake?"


An electric meter can be removed in 30 seconds... Remove tag, open cover, grab meter and pull. Something like that after they leave, knowing they won't be back for a couple days, could ruin months of work.
 
2013-04-02 08:24:00 AM
This should be easy to solve.

Post on Craigslist, with the address, "free pot samples".

Every weed head and lowlife will show up looking for some hand out, smell the pot, then come back later and do a home invasion and clean the place out and perhaps, beat, maybe maim the annoying ass neighbors.
 
2013-04-02 08:25:26 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: RoadRage78: I wonder how well their crops would do if the electric meter "vanished". If it's as bad as you say, I'm sure the other people on your block would look the other way.

There has been idle talk in the neighborhood about such things. Like, "Does anyone know where you can get large quantities of spider mites for the basement air intake?"


Or, you could go around there one day (or all of the concerned neighbours if you don't fancy going it alone) and tell them what the probelm is and tell them to get some active charcoal filters or they get the spider mite/aphid treatment.
 
2013-04-02 08:27:15 AM

The Envoy: Lenny_da_Hog: RoadRage78: I wonder how well their crops would do if the electric meter "vanished". If it's as bad as you say, I'm sure the other people on your block would look the other way.

There has been idle talk in the neighborhood about such things. Like, "Does anyone know where you can get large quantities of spider mites for the basement air intake?"

Or, you could go around there one day (or all of the concerned neighbours if you don't fancy going it alone) and tell them what the probelm is and tell them to get some active charcoal filters or they get the spider mite/aphid treatment.


We've talked both to them and their landlord. We've gotten a disinterested, "Wow, sorry man," before they retreat inside and avoid us.
 
2013-04-02 08:27:37 AM

jafiwam: This should be easy to solve.

Post on Craigslist, with the address, "free pot samples".

Every weed head and lowlife will show up looking for some hand out, smell the pot, then come back later and do a home invasion and clean the place out and perhaps, beat, maybe maim the annoying ass neighbors.

anybody who happens along at the wrong time.

Good plan.  After all, it's not as if drug users are known for being paranoid, not even when they're committing a crime.
 
2013-04-02 08:28:13 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: The Envoy: Lenny_da_Hog: RoadRage78: I wonder how well their crops would do if the electric meter "vanished". If it's as bad as you say, I'm sure the other people on your block would look the other way.

There has been idle talk in the neighborhood about such things. Like, "Does anyone know where you can get large quantities of spider mites for the basement air intake?"

Or, you could go around there one day (or all of the concerned neighbours if you don't fancy going it alone) and tell them what the probelm is and tell them to get some active charcoal filters or they get the spider mite/aphid treatment.

We've talked both to them and their landlord. We've gotten a disinterested, "Wow, sorry man," before they retreat inside and avoid us.


Aphids it is then!  Twats.
 
2013-04-02 08:30:22 AM

The Snow Dog: BarkingUnicorn: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.

I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem.

So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?  Tomatoes are fruit, according to the  gubmint, and pizza sauce counts as a vegetable.

Whoops, my mistake.  FDA says tomatoes are veggies.  Actually, they're berries.

And berries are fruit.


And all fruit are vegetables.  Seriously, can we please stop teaching kids that fruit and vegetables are mutually exclusive, especially since one is purely a culinary term, and the other is a generic scientific comparison.
 
2013-04-02 08:34:19 AM

The Envoy: Lenny_da_Hog: The Envoy: Lenny_da_Hog: RoadRage78: I wonder how well their crops would do if the electric meter "vanished". If it's as bad as you say, I'm sure the other people on your block would look the other way.

There has been idle talk in the neighborhood about such things. Like, "Does anyone know where you can get large quantities of spider mites for the basement air intake?"

Or, you could go around there one day (or all of the concerned neighbours if you don't fancy going it alone) and tell them what the probelm is and tell them to get some active charcoal filters or they get the spider mite/aphid treatment.

We've talked both to them and their landlord. We've gotten a disinterested, "Wow, sorry man," before they retreat inside and avoid us.

Aphids it is then!  Twats.


Grow catnip in your front yard and by your front door.  It smells identical to the uninitiated, but repels mosquitoes and other biting insects.  Adding a fresh constant source of a similar smell will desensitize your nose, and if you quit obsessing about it, you'll quit noticing it, and when you do notice it, you can remind yourself that it's probably what you planted for your own benefit.
 
2013-04-02 08:44:01 AM

log_jammin: SDRR: I am struggling with the analog here...

I'm struggling to figure out why you're struggling.

I said "I'd think this is a zoning thing isn't it? They've essentially setup a business in a residential neighborhood" I said that because different areas are zoned for different things. Residential for housing, business for...business, agriculture for farms/etc..

Therefore, a person in a residential area might be upset when something not zoned for that area is suddenly next door to them. be it me upset about a smelly pig farm, or an aging yuppie clutching her pearls because she's "allergic" to the smell of a MJ growing business.


So, growing plants requires zoning? Really? Like my neighbor has shiatloads, and I mean shiatloads, of hibiscus in their yard. They farking stink and get pollen everywhere. I should have the county come out and make them cease and desist immediately!

/really?
 
2013-04-02 08:45:09 AM

Mr Guy: The Envoy: Lenny_da_Hog: The Envoy: Lenny_da_Hog: RoadRage78: I wonder how well their crops would do if the electric meter "vanished". If it's as bad as you say, I'm sure the other people on your block would look the other way.

There has been idle talk in the neighborhood about such things. Like, "Does anyone know where you can get large quantities of spider mites for the basement air intake?"

Or, you could go around there one day (or all of the concerned neighbours if you don't fancy going it alone) and tell them what the probelm is and tell them to get some active charcoal filters or they get the spider mite/aphid treatment.

We've talked both to them and their landlord. We've gotten a disinterested, "Wow, sorry man," before they retreat inside and avoid us.

Aphids it is then!  Twats.

Grow catnip in your front yard and by your front door.  It smells identical to the uninitiated, but repels mosquitoes and other biting insects.  Adding a fresh constant source of a similar smell will desensitize your nose, and if you quit obsessing about it, you'll quit noticing it, and when you do notice it, you can remind yourself that it's probably what you planted for your own benefit.


Yes, but then you get the pleasure of having many feral cats in your yard for a while, until it's gone.
 
2013-04-02 08:51:30 AM

SDRR: So, growing plants requires zoning? Really? Like my neighbor has shiatloads, and I mean shiatloads, of hibiscus in their yard. They farking stink and get pollen everywhere. I should have the county come out and make them cease and desist immediately!


If they're growing for other people -- selling to dispensaries -- they're running a business. It's not illegal to grow flowers in your yard, but it can be a zoning issue if you're growing them to supply to florists.
 
2013-04-02 09:01:52 AM

jafiwam: This should be easy to solve.

Post on Craigslist, with the address, "free pot samples".

Every weed head and lowlife will show up looking for some hand out, smell the pot, then come back later and do a home invasion and clean the place out and perhaps, beat, maybe maim the annoying ass neighbors.


It's weed, not crack.

Stoners won't even get off the couch if there's a fire. At most, they'll go to the kitchen to get some marshmallows.
 
2013-04-02 09:04:17 AM
I keep seeing "chicken farm" and "hog farm" bantied about in this thread.  Have any of you that compared the smell of MJ growing to one of these operations actually encountered one?

The smell of animal waste on a hot day in no way compares.  In my city we have a company called Union Bag.  The stench from their business permeates the entire region...the fumes are noxious.

But it still doesn't compare to animal waste.
 
2013-04-02 09:16:57 AM

SDRR: So, growing plants requires zoning?


WOW. apparently English isn't your first language.
 
2013-04-02 09:27:34 AM
Great another pot thread. I was hoping all 111 comments would be related to Subby's poor grammar.
 
2013-04-02 09:31:32 AM

jafiwam: Every weed head and lowlife will show up looking for some hand out, smell the pot, then come back later and do a home invasion and clean the place out and perhaps, beat, maybe maim the annoying ass neighbors.


As a "weed head" I can tell you there's no way I'm pulling a home invasion unless there are lily-white biatches there to rape while I'm all hopped up on the reefer.
 
2013-04-02 09:32:45 AM
I like the smell ov vanilla cream and chocolate cream pie cooking too, but after awhile it gets pretty farking old. Same with pot plants.

/used to grow my own
 
2013-04-02 09:46:04 AM
Not liking pot is unamerican!
 
2013-04-02 09:47:39 AM
Where are the responsible potheads?

I'm sure body pleasure drugs don't make people more selfish. It just can't be!
 
2013-04-02 09:52:55 AM

Arthur Jumbles: Zoning laws? If the area isn't zoned for agriculture you might be able to kick the smelly bastards out. Alternatively, price out the cost to install an air filtration system for their grow operation and tell them they can either spend the money buying the air purifier or they can give it to their lawyer when you sue them.


Yep, this.

I'm fine with pot, but I don't smoke and it makes the SO go to sleep (didn't used to, but now it does).  And in general, not a fan of the smell.  Experienced it enough just in college (I lived in a co-op and had to fight to ban pot smoking in the front/living room - one damn room - so it wasn't so damn obvious when people had parents visiting).

Have some common courtesy/discretion, pot smokers/growers.  It'll go a long damn way.

/those of you who do, thanks!
 
2013-04-02 09:59:28 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: I'm a native American

A woo woo native American or a dot native American?


Italian/Norwegian native American.  I said I was born in Chicago.
 
2013-04-02 10:02:56 AM

sodomizer: Where are the responsible potheads?

I'm sure body pleasure drugs don't make people more selfish. It just can't be!


They don't show up in the news.  Just like normal people from Florida (both of them).
 
2013-04-02 10:08:06 AM

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.

I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem.

So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?  Tomatoes are fruit, according to the  gubmint, and pizza sauce counts as a vegetable.


To be fair, tomatoes are a fruit (thus leading to things like this).  The ketchup-as-vegetable thing is stupidity run rampant from the days of Reagan.

I don't think we necessarily need new laws concerning the home growing of dank buds, just handle them the same way as we handle neighborhood nuisances.
 
2013-04-02 10:17:27 AM

REO-Weedwagon: jafiwam: Every weed head and lowlife will show up looking for some hand out, smell the pot, then come back later and do a home invasion and clean the place out and perhaps, beat, maybe maim the annoying ass neighbors.

As a "weed head" I can tell you there's no way I'm pulling a home invasion unless there are lily-white biatches there to rape while I'm all hopped up on the reefer.


You sound like a jazz musician.
 
2013-04-02 10:20:32 AM

untaken_name: Mr Guy: The Envoy: Lenny_da_Hog: The Envoy: Lenny_da_Hog: RoadRage78: I wonder how well their crops would do if the electric meter "vanished". If it's as bad as you say, I'm sure the other people on your block would look the other way.

There has been idle talk in the neighborhood about such things. Like, "Does anyone know where you can get large quantities of spider mites for the basement air intake?"

Or, you could go around there one day (or all of the concerned neighbours if you don't fancy going it alone) and tell them what the probelm is and tell them to get some active charcoal filters or they get the spider mite/aphid treatment.

We've talked both to them and their landlord. We've gotten a disinterested, "Wow, sorry man," before they retreat inside and avoid us.

Aphids it is then!  Twats.

Grow catnip in your front yard and by your front door.  It smells identical to the uninitiated, but repels mosquitoes and other biting insects.  Adding a fresh constant source of a similar smell will desensitize your nose, and if you quit obsessing about it, you'll quit noticing it, and when you do notice it, you can remind yourself that it's probably what you planted for your own benefit.

Yes, but then you get the pleasure of having many feral cats in your yard for a while, until it's gone.


Also, flowering/blooming catnip is a bee magnet.
 
2013-04-02 10:21:33 AM
My mom pretends she is hurt when her neighbors burn leaves.  My youngest brother, who spent an extra 10 years with the parents after the other two of use grew up and left and after the parents started getting weird, also has this metal affliction where anything he smells that he doesn't like magically also makes him feel ill.  Cigarette smoke was fine when he was a smoker, but once he quit he couldn't stand the odor.  Just like the P's taught him to be.
 
2013-04-02 10:27:41 AM

BarkingUnicorn: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.

I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem.

So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?  Tomatoes are fruit, according to the  gubmint, and pizza sauce counts as a vegetable.

Whoops, my mistake.  FDA says tomatoes are veggies.  Actually, they're berries.


Berries are fruit.

Intelligence is knowing that tomatoes are fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put them on ice cream.
 
2013-04-02 10:29:58 AM

Mr Guy: Grow catnip in your front yard and by your front door. It smells identical to the uninitiated, but repels mosquitoes and other biting insects. Adding a fresh constant source of a similar smell will desensitize your nose, and if you quit obsessing about it, you'll quit noticing it, and when you do notice it, you can remind yourself that it's probably what you planted for your own benefit.


You mistake me.  I love the smell.  I used to smoke a lot until my little one came along necessitating a break, during which I realised that I wasn't just as effective as I would be without it and decided to only smoke as a treat.  So long story short, I'd be sniffing the breeze constantly and would be purchasing the few times a year I allow myself to smoke!  I just think that all inconsiderate neighbours are twats regardless of the issue they're being twats about.

sodomizer: Where are the responsible potheads?

I'm sure body pleasure drugs don't make people more selfish. It just can't be!


You've been here 6 months and this is the best you can do still?  That's sad.
 
2013-04-02 10:31:41 AM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?

No. We just stop dealing with it at all. Wash our hands of the whole thing.

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But it gets you high? What if you're driving or something? DUI already applies to all intoxicants, not just alcohol. Got it covered.

What if my neighbor sets up a full scale growing operation? Zoning laws, got it covered.

What if kids smoke it and get all farked up? Child endangerment laws, got it covered.

What if someone smokes it in public? No smoking laws, got it covered.

There's nothing marijuana does that isn't already legislated, often over legislated. Just let the people smoke their sticky icky. If it was bad for you, Willie Nelson and Snoop Dogg would have been dead in the 80's.


Not to mention the last three Presidents.
 
2013-04-02 10:32:00 AM

BarkingUnicorn: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.

I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem.

So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?  Tomatoes are fruit, according to the  gubmint, and pizza sauce counts as a vegetable.

Whoops, my mistake.  FDA says tomatoes are veggies.  Actually, they're berries.




Berries are fruit like humans are primates.

Sophistry!!!!
 
2013-04-02 10:34:19 AM
I agree.  There does need to be one more law.

Any person reporting a grow operation that in fact turns out to be a legal, registered grow operation, who then turns to the media and identifies the grower (who has a legal card granted for a medical condition, something HIPAA might care about if the feds didn't have a severe case of rectal-cranial inversion), that person should be charged with a misdemeanor for harassment.
 
2013-04-02 10:35:44 AM
Dave's not here.
 
2013-04-02 10:57:26 AM

martissimo: The comments on their website links to a first story about these people complaining. They sound like they are just trying to be assholes, the lady says her face "gets paralyzed", they even complain that the smell makes one of their dogs hack and cough, and another one sneeze a lot.

yeah right


Bullshiat. I love the smell of growing pot.

BTW, minor threadjack: those of you who smoke cigarettes. do you ever notice that, very occasionally, you will get a cig where one or two puffs smell like week?
 
2013-04-02 10:59:37 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: My mom pretends she is hurt when her neighbors burn leaves.  My youngest brother, who spent an extra 10 years with the parents after the other two of use grew up and left and after the parents started getting weird, also has this metal affliction where anything he smells that he doesn't like magically also makes him feel ill.  Cigarette smoke was fine when he was a smoker, but once he quit he couldn't stand the odor.  Just like the P's taught him to be.


You know, I've been looking into this as a function of improving my breathing in my sinuses and trying to expand my diet to include new flavors I'm less familiar with.  I can say this for a fact:  the muscles that expand your sinus cavity to resonate for singing or to open it up when you are deliberately trying to smell something have a direct and profound influence on your gag reflex.  I've had a horrible gag reflex and terrible sinus congestion my whole life, and I've come a loooooong way in fixing both by deliberately strengthening those muscles.  If he's deliberately trying NOT to smell something, he's probably taught himself to clench the back of soft palate, that'll trigger his gag reflex, which will cause him to lock his stomach.  Once your stomach muscles are braced, the brain interprets that feedback as nausea/anxiety, and it can get progressively worse, fast.

That's why the "cure" that forensic scientists and cops use is deliberate wide smile faced breathing.  It forces you to disengage the muscles closing up your nostrils and braces your airway open in the back, releasing the gag reflex.

I learned to the same trick for foods that I don't like the smell of.  You deliberately TRY and smell for a scent you recognize, and focus on that. Keeping deliberately inhaling will head off those cycles and keep your body from trying to protect itself.
 
2013-04-02 11:04:23 AM

Mr Guy: Big_Fat_Liar: My mom pretends she is hurt when her neighbors burn leaves.  My youngest brother, who spent an extra 10 years with the parents after the other two of use grew up and left and after the parents started getting weird, also has this metal affliction where anything he smells that he doesn't like magically also makes him feel ill.  Cigarette smoke was fine when he was a smoker, but once he quit he couldn't stand the odor.  Just like the P's taught him to be.

You know, I've been looking into this as a function of improving my breathing in my sinuses and trying to expand my diet to include new flavors I'm less familiar with.  I can say this for a fact:  the muscles that expand your sinus cavity to resonate for singing or to open it up when you are deliberately trying to smell something have a direct and profound influence on your gag reflex.  I've had a horrible gag reflex and terrible sinus congestion my whole life, and I've come a loooooong way in fixing both by deliberately strengthening those muscles.  If he's deliberately trying NOT to smell something, he's probably taught himself to clench the back of soft palate, that'll trigger his gag reflex, which will cause him to lock his stomach.  Once your stomach muscles are braced, the brain interprets that feedback as nausea/anxiety, and it can get progressively worse, fast.

That's why the "cure" that forensic scientists and cops use is deliberate wide smile faced breathing.  It forces you to disengage the muscles closing up your nostrils and braces your airway open in the back, releasing the gag reflex.

I learned to the same trick for foods that I don't like the smell of.  You deliberately TRY and smell for a scent you recognize, and focus on that. Keeping deliberately inhaling will head off those cycles and keep your body from trying to protect itself.


This is actually incredibly useful information for me.  While it was posted for somebody else, I thank you for sharing it (I now have new things to research).
 
2013-04-02 11:09:06 AM
Just Another OC Homeless Guy

Yes. I have smelled that too. Mostly in Marlboros. What causes that?
 
2013-04-02 11:15:03 AM

Mr Guy: Big_Fat_Liar: My mom pretends she is hurt when her neighbors burn leaves.  My youngest brother, who spent an extra 10 years with the parents after the other two of use grew up and left and after the parents started getting weird, also has this metal affliction where anything he smells that he doesn't like magically also makes him feel ill.  Cigarette smoke was fine when he was a smoker, but once he quit he couldn't stand the odor.  Just like the P's taught him to be.

You know, I've been looking into this as a function of improving my breathing in my sinuses and trying to expand my diet to include new flavors I'm less familiar with.  I can say this for a fact:  the muscles that expand your sinus cavity to resonate for singing or to open it up when you are deliberately trying to smell something have a direct and profound influence on your gag reflex.  I've had a horrible gag reflex and terrible sinus congestion my whole life, and I've come a loooooong way in fixing both by deliberately strengthening those muscles.  If he's deliberately trying NOT to smell something, he's probably taught himself to clench the back of soft palate, that'll trigger his gag reflex, which will cause him to lock his stomach.  Once your stomach muscles are braced, the brain interprets that feedback as nausea/anxiety, and it can get progressively worse, fast.

That's why the "cure" that forensic scientists and cops use is deliberate wide smile faced breathing.  It forces you to disengage the muscles closing up your nostrils and braces your airway open in the back, releasing the gag reflex.

I learned to the same trick for foods that I don't like the smell of.  You deliberately TRY and smell for a scent you recognize, and focus on that. Keeping deliberately inhaling will head off those cycles and keep your body from trying to protect itself.




w.reelcelebs.com
 
2013-04-02 11:21:04 AM

WTFDYW: Yes. I have smelled that too. Mostly in Marlboros. What causes that?


Growing up in NC, I'm going to guess you get a little less cured tobacco in the mix, probably tossed in there to lighten the smell up.  Tobacco is actually really oddly sweet smelling.

vicioushobbit: This is actually incredibly useful information for me. While it was posted for somebody else, I thank you for sharing it (I now have new things to research).


It seems weird, but spend a little time with your eyes closed humming to yourself and feeling around with what muscles you can flex internally in your head.  You can actually direct the vibration of the humming around in your head to help you focus, and learn to pick out the muscles consciously that you're subconsciously using, and actually hear and feel the vibrations from mucus and infections sticking to internal surfaces.  The trick I use is to remember that the body is designed to do things by recreating patterns.  We have a nasty habit of trying to focus on what we don't want the body to do, but we work better if you learn to focus on the "correct" sensation.  For example, smile as hard as you can in the mirror, like Obama just declare that you personally don't have to pay taxes, and all the taxes other people pay will instead be delivered to you by attractive nude members of the appropriate sex.  Look where you flush blood to the surface, and where you don't.  Where you don't, put two fingers gently on the skin, and figure out how to flex into those fingers without moving the rest of your head.  It may help to make small circles with your fingertips.  That'll help you focus on muscles in your face you don't have conscious control of.  You should be able to "push back" against any force, from any direction, without moving the rest of your body.  That's "ideal" for a human.

You'll find your mother was right, the faces you make a lot you know how to control the muscles to make, but faces you don't make a lot you literally will be almost numb to those muscles and your body will forget they exist.  You will be shocked how difficult it is to make the same exact facial expression as, say, some random actor on TV, if it's not a facial expression you make normally.
 
2013-04-02 11:40:40 AM

timujin: Try living next to a chicken farm, then cry to me about fowl smells.

Also:
There is a "noisome odors or vapors" ordinance in Chapter 8, Section 36 of Portland City Code. It says "No person shall burn upon any premises or in any street, alley or other place, any animal or vegetable substance which shall create an offensive or noxious odor."

Doesn't really apply, does it now?  They're growing the weed, not smoking it.


Seems to me the last line about vegetable substance may apply. They should amend the wording to organic substance as pot isn't a vegetable.
 
2013-04-02 11:49:21 AM
If they try to pass a law stopping MJ smells, growing or smoking, then they will have to do the same for cigarettes. I would much prefer MJ smoke wafting in my open windows than cigarettes.

Also, they would have to make farting in public an illegal offense as well.
 
2013-04-02 11:56:01 AM

Igor Jakovsky: timujin: Try living next to a chicken farm, then cry to me about fowl smells.

Also:
There is a "noisome odors or vapors" ordinance in Chapter 8, Section 36 of Portland City Code. It says "No person shall burn upon any premises or in any street, alley or other place, any animal or vegetable substance which shall create an offensive or noxious odor."

Doesn't really apply, does it now?  They're growing the weed, not smoking it.

Seems to me the last line about vegetable substance may apply. They should amend the wording to organic substance as pot isn't a vegetable.


Then one of us isn't parsing the sentence correctly:
what is prohibited: burning any animal or vegetable substance
under what conditions: if it creates an offensive or noxious odor
where: anywhere

It doesn't say you can't have an animal or vegetable that has an offensive or noxious odor, but only that you can't create an offensive or noxious odor by burning that animal or vegetable.
 
2013-04-02 12:12:02 PM

timujin: Igor Jakovsky: timujin: Try living next to a chicken farm, then cry to me about fowl smells.

Also:
There is a "noisome odors or vapors" ordinance in Chapter 8, Section 36 of Portland City Code. It says "No person shall burn upon any premises or in any street, alley or other place, any animal or vegetable substance which shall create an offensive or noxious odor."

Doesn't really apply, does it now?  They're growing the weed, not smoking it.

Seems to me the last line about vegetable substance may apply. They should amend the wording to organic substance as pot isn't a vegetable.

Then one of us isn't parsing the sentence correctly:
what is prohibited: burning any animal or vegetable substance
under what conditions: if it creates an offensive or noxious odor
where: anywhere

It doesn't say you can't have an animal or vegetable that has an offensive or noxious odor, but only that you can't create an offensive or noxious odor by burning that animal or vegetable.


That interpretation matches how a retired lawyer I talked to about this topic last night took it as well. Only burning is covered by that.
 
2013-04-02 12:24:58 PM

basemetal: There should be zoning laws, fire code inspections, electrical inspections, regulations for this in general.  Residential areas should not be used to grow tomatos on a scale to sell to dispensaries.  Personal use is one thing, enough to make for selling is another.


FTFY
 
2013-04-02 12:52:44 PM
FTFA:  "My face gets completely tingly and just paralyzed," Gloria said

Oh hell yes, I love when that happens! That is some Diggity Dank right there.
 
2013-04-02 01:02:39 PM

joonyer: FTFA:  "My face gets completely tingly and just paralyzed," Gloria said

Oh hell yes, I love when that happens! That is some Diggity Dank right there.


Didn't see that in the article, then noticed the link to a previous one.  I hope my coworkers aren't bothered by the volume of my bullshiat alarm, it's gone to Derpcon One.
 
2013-04-02 01:29:51 PM
1.  The smell of flowering cannabis is quite strong.  Just six flowering plants in a basement can make a smallish house reek through and through, and that smell can most definitely make it outside.

2.  A carbon filter is not very expensive and should be seen as CDB when growing cannabis.  For the truly frugal grower, one can be made at home and the materials cost next to nothing.  To not have one shows lack of concern or respect for the neighborhood around you, for your business, and by proxy for your plants.  These growers and the ones mentioned in the comments who have "rotating shifts checking up on the plants every few days" (SERIOUSLY WTF?!?) sound utterly irresponsible and foolish, and I'm betting their cannabis is garbage not even worth turning into concentrate.

3.  Anyone who argues over the agricultural classification of tomatoes is a pedantic f*cking twit.

4.  There are an awful lot of self-centered totalitarians in this thread who should probably learn to STFU and live-and-let-live at some point, but their points on the importance of being considerate neighbors are quite valid.  Always consider how your actions affect those around you and take care to mitigate those effects, and if a neighbor actually approaches you with a problem, humbly apologize and graciously offer some ways to fix the problem or come to an otherwise amenable compromise.  But if you think far enough ahead and actually step outside of yourself to consider how other people might react or feel when beginning a project, you can usually avoid any form of confrontation at all.  This doesn't just go for growing pot- this goes for every single area of your life.

-Your Pal Radar, Forever Champion of the Cannabis
 
2013-04-02 01:41:49 PM

timujin: joonyer: FTFA:  "My face gets completely tingly and just paralyzed," Gloria said

Oh hell yes, I love when that happens! That is some Diggity Dank right there.

Didn't see that in the article, then noticed the link to a previous one.  I hope my coworkers aren't bothered by the volume of my bullshiat alarm, it's gone to Derpcon One.


Yeah, weed might stink like a motherfarker, but unless you're actively heating and releasing the THC into your your bloodstream it isn't going to have any physical effects whatsoever.  THC doesn't even become active until it hits 122°F and doesn't boil off until you hit 392°.  The stuff can get especially pungent in summer when it starts to scorch out, but (a) this is Portland we're talking about here, where it rarely ever cracks ninety, and (b) even if it were and those plants are pouring out all kinds of gloriously stinky terpines, I've never heard of someone having a physical reaction to terpines that wasn't completely psychosomatic.

Better keep these folks away from smart meters, cell towers, and wind turbines, too!
 
2013-04-02 02:06:14 PM

GAT_00: That seems like, if true, should fall under the same categories that prevent you from making your yard trashy - having chickens, letting your grass grow 2 feet tall, that sort of thing.


So, like, an association of homeowners?

/ducks quickly out of sight.
 
2013-04-02 02:06:57 PM

joonyer: FTFA:  "My face gets completely tingly and just paralyzed," Gloria said

Oh hell yes, I love when that happens! That is some Diggity Dank right there.


That's a symptom of hyperventilation. She's probably stressing out and doesn't realize she's doing it.
 
2013-04-02 02:32:25 PM

vicioushobbit: Mr Guy: Big_Fat_Liar: My mom pretends she is hurt when her neighbors burn leaves.  My youngest brother, who spent an extra 10 years with the parents after the other two of use grew up and left and after the parents started getting weird, also has this metal affliction where anything he smells that he doesn't like magically also makes him feel ill.  Cigarette smoke was fine when he was a smoker, but once he quit he couldn't stand the odor.  Just like the P's taught him to be.

You know, I've been looking into this as a function of improving my breathing in my sinuses and trying to expand my diet to include new flavors I'm less familiar with.  I can say this for a fact:  the muscles that expand your sinus cavity to resonate for singing or to open it up when you are deliberately trying to smell something have a direct and profound influence on your gag reflex.  I've had a horrible gag reflex and terrible sinus congestion my whole life, and I've come a loooooong way in fixing both by deliberately strengthening those muscles.  If he's deliberately trying NOT to smell something, he's probably taught himself to clench the back of soft palate, that'll trigger his gag reflex, which will cause him to lock his stomach.  Once your stomach muscles are braced, the brain interprets that feedback as nausea/anxiety, and it can get progressively worse, fast.

That's why the "cure" that forensic scientists and cops use is deliberate wide smile faced breathing.  It forces you to disengage the muscles closing up your nostrils and braces your airway open in the back, releasing the gag reflex.

I learned to the same trick for foods that I don't like the smell of.  You deliberately TRY and smell for a scent you recognize, and focus on that. Keeping deliberately inhaling will head off those cycles and keep your body from trying to protect itself.

This is actually incredibly useful information for me.  While it was posted for somebody else, I thank you for sharing it (I now have new things ...


To me too - thanks.  So the negative attitude a person has towards an aroma can lead to themselves making themselves ill.  Now I need to find a construction way to explain to them they are way too critical of anything they disapprove of and would actually feel better if they learned to lighten up a bit and maybe pull the sticks out of their butts for health reasons.
 
2013-04-02 03:00:29 PM
The only point that might be valid is running a business in a residential zoned property.

The odor from pot is harmless, and will not get you high. There is no "think of the children" bullshiat here.

Oregon doesn't really have strong nuisance odor laws either. If an asphalt plant can operate without any controls, then there isn't a way to shut down a pot grow due to odor. An asphalt plant is far more noxious than weed.

The weed growers sound like asshole neighbors, though. While I'd like for bad things to happen to everyone involved here, I don't want a precedent that ends up trying to regulate the smell of a pot grow.

Plus, it seems like you can smell weed from anywhere in this town.
 
2013-04-02 03:02:00 PM
This is like how my neighbor installed a noisy cheap piece of shiat Trane heat pump, and so it starts up every fifteen minutes and runs for about 5 each time, making it really hard to go to sleep(because the sound of the compressor starting is very startling). But my neighbors are assholes.
 
2013-04-02 04:21:55 PM

MadSkillz: This is like how my neighbor installed a noisy cheap piece of shiat Trane heat pump, and so it starts up every fifteen minutes and runs for about 5 each time, making it really hard to go to sleep(because the sound of the compressor starting is very startling). But my neighbors are assholes.


I highly recommend cheap foam earplugs.  They really will kill the sound and aren't uncomfortable to sleep wearing at all.  You can find them in any supermarket in the OTC medicine aisle.
 
2013-04-02 04:35:59 PM

radarlove: MadSkillz: This is like how my neighbor installed a noisy cheap piece of shiat Trane heat pump, and so it starts up every fifteen minutes and runs for about 5 each time, making it really hard to go to sleep(because the sound of the compressor starting is very startling). But my neighbors are assholes.

I highly recommend cheap foam earplugs.  They really will kill the sound and aren't uncomfortable to sleep wearing at all.  You can find them in any supermarket in the OTC medicine aisle.


Not good to sleep in- bacterial growth in them would be significant.
 
2013-04-02 06:25:32 PM

MadSkillz: radarlove: MadSkillz: This is like how my neighbor installed a noisy cheap piece of shiat Trane heat pump, and so it starts up every fifteen minutes and runs for about 5 each time, making it really hard to go to sleep(because the sound of the compressor starting is very startling). But my neighbors are assholes.

I highly recommend cheap foam earplugs.  They really will kill the sound and aren't uncomfortable to sleep wearing at all.  You can find them in any supermarket in the OTC medicine aisle.

Not good to sleep in- bacterial growth in them would be significant.


Well, I reckon life is all about cost benefit analysis.  Sometimes you've just gotta ask yourself if a solid night's sleep is worth spending an extra sixty seconds cleaning your ears in the shower, you know?

/you, as a person, are composed not only of Homo Sapiens bio-matter but also that of over 10,000 different species of microorganisms, including many species of bacteria that help to keep you alive.  Thank the lil' fellas and try not to think too negatively of them, for they are you.
 
2013-04-02 06:37:53 PM

MadSkillz: radarlove: MadSkillz: This is like how my neighbor installed a noisy cheap piece of shiat Trane heat pump, and so it starts up every fifteen minutes and runs for about 5 each time, making it really hard to go to sleep(because the sound of the compressor starting is very startling). But my neighbors are assholes.

I highly recommend cheap foam earplugs.  They really will kill the sound and aren't uncomfortable to sleep wearing at all.  You can find them in any supermarket in the OTC medicine aisle.

Not good to sleep in- bacterial growth in them would be significant.


Cheap = replace after single use thus no bacterial growth risk?
 
2013-04-02 06:51:05 PM

al's hat: MadSkillz: radarlove: MadSkillz: This is like how my neighbor installed a noisy cheap piece of shiat Trane heat pump, and so it starts up every fifteen minutes and runs for about 5 each time, making it really hard to go to sleep(because the sound of the compressor starting is very startling). But my neighbors are assholes.

I highly recommend cheap foam earplugs.  They really will kill the sound and aren't uncomfortable to sleep wearing at all.  You can find them in any supermarket in the OTC medicine aisle.

Not good to sleep in- bacterial growth in them would be significant.

Cheap = replace after single use thus no bacterial growth risk?


I assume that he's concerned about the bacterial growth that accumulates after a single night's use of a disposable pair, which I can only see being about twice as bad as sleeping on one side of your head during the night.  Again, I wouldn't think it would be anything that proper morning hygiene wouldn't fix in a jiffy.
 
2013-04-02 06:51:31 PM

al's hat: MadSkillz: radarlove: MadSkillz: This is like how my neighbor installed a noisy cheap piece of shiat Trane heat pump, and so it starts up every fifteen minutes and runs for about 5 each time, making it really hard to go to sleep(because the sound of the compressor starting is very startling). But my neighbors are assholes.

I highly recommend cheap foam earplugs.  They really will kill the sound and aren't uncomfortable to sleep wearing at all.  You can find them in any supermarket in the OTC medicine aisle.

Not good to sleep in- bacterial growth in them would be significant.

Cheap = replace after single use thus no bacterial growth risk?


Cannot replace ears. Can't yell at neighbors! (They're violating by laws about noise after 10 PM, but going at them that way will spark a war)
 
2013-04-02 07:01:03 PM

MadSkillz: al's hat: MadSkillz: radarlove: MadSkillz: This is like how my neighbor installed a noisy cheap piece of shiat Trane heat pump, and so it starts up every fifteen minutes and runs for about 5 each time, making it really hard to go to sleep(because the sound of the compressor starting is very startling). But my neighbors are assholes.

I highly recommend cheap foam earplugs.  They really will kill the sound and aren't uncomfortable to sleep wearing at all.  You can find them in any supermarket in the OTC medicine aisle.

Not good to sleep in- bacterial growth in them would be significant.

Cheap = replace after single use thus no bacterial growth risk?

Cannot replace ears. Can't yell at neighbors! (They're violating by laws about noise after 10 PM, but going at them that way will spark a war)


I've honestly never heard about bacterial growth risk due to using earplugs.  Does the same risk apply with hearing aids?
 
2013-04-02 07:13:06 PM

WTFDYW: Just Another OC Homeless Guy

Yes. I have smelled that too. Mostly in Marlboros. What causes that?


Weed growing in the tobacco fields.
 
2013-04-02 07:16:14 PM

radarlove: 3.  Anyone who argues over the agricultural classification of tomatoes is a pedantic f*cking twit.


What about people who argue over the classification of Fark posters?
 
2013-04-02 07:33:23 PM

al's hat: Does the same risk apply with hearing aids?


Even worse!  Just look at those people- the bacterial buildup is so severe that they can't hear shiat!


untaken_name: radarlove: 3.  Anyone who argues over the agricultural classification of tomatoes is a pedantic f*cking twit.

What about people who argue over the classification of Fark posters?


Only slightly less pedantic, and I never claimed to not be a farking twit.
 
2013-04-02 07:42:52 PM

radarlove: Only slightly less pedantic, and I never claimed to not be a farking twit


Touche.
I yield the point.
 
2013-04-02 09:50:39 PM

radarlove: al's hat: Does the same risk apply with hearing aids?

Even worse!  Just look at those people- the bacterial buildup is so severe that they can't hear shiat!


untaken_name: radarlove: 3.  Anyone who argues over the agricultural classification of tomatoes is a pedantic f*cking twit.

What about people who argue over the classification of Fark posters?

Only slightly less pedantic, and I never claimed to not be a farking twit.


I was actually being nice instead of snarky for once.  Really, bacterial buildup from wearing disposable earplugs while sleeping?  Right, it's not like people wear them during 12 hour shifts (or more) at work...not to mention hearing aids...and I've never ever heard of anyone getting bacterial infections from wearing earplugs or hearing aids.  Hey guys, I got toxic shock syndrome from wearing earplugs over night while sleeping!  MadSkillz needs to work on logic skillz...
 
2013-04-02 10:15:43 PM

The Snow Dog: BarkingUnicorn: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.

I hope not. We have to cull the laws, not add new ones for every pedantic little problem.

So, just legalistic-magically classify MJ as alcohol?  Tomatoes are fruit, according to the  gubmint, and pizza sauce counts as a vegetable.

Whoops, my mistake.  FDA says tomatoes are veggies.  Actually, they're berries.

And berries are fruit.


Like a cat is a vertebrate.
 
2013-04-02 10:51:07 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Yup, legal MJ is going to mean new laws.


basemetal: There should be zoning laws, fire code inspections, electrical inspections, regulations for this in general.  Residential areas should not be used to grow marijuana on a scale to sell to dispensaries.  Personal use is one thing, enough to make for selling is another.


There's an illicit grow house in a ramshackle garage two doors down the alley from me.

When they change out their air every evening, it's slightly qualitatively better but quantitatively equivalent to a dead skunk in the middle of the road.
 
2013-04-02 10:51:17 PM

al's hat: radarlove: al's hat: Does the same risk apply with hearing aids?

Even worse!  Just look at those people- the bacterial buildup is so severe that they can't hear shiat!


untaken_name: radarlove: 3.  Anyone who argues over the agricultural classification of tomatoes is a pedantic f*cking twit.

What about people who argue over the classification of Fark posters?

Only slightly less pedantic, and I never claimed to not be a farking twit.

I was actually being nice instead of snarky for once.  Really, bacterial buildup from wearing disposable earplugs while sleeping?  Right, it's not like people wear them during 12 hour shifts (or more) at work...not to mention hearing aids...and I've never ever heard of anyone getting bacterial infections from wearing earplugs or hearing aids.  Hey guys, I got toxic shock syndrome from wearing earplugs over night while sleeping!  MadSkillz needs to work on logic skillz...


Sure, my logic skillz.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ate/ent/202925.html

http://www.ojhas.org/issue26/2008-2-4.htm


Cerumen impaction (earwax blockage):
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/earwax/hic_cerumen_impaction _e arwax_buildup_and_blockage.aspx

...can lead to infection.

Basically, the mechanism of drying the wax to make it fall out (which it always seems to do to me at dinner) doesn't work well when it's constantly moist in there. It needs air.

I'm pretty sure most people can wear earplugs occasionally at night without problems.

However, since my ears will plug themselves up at least once a year without any known cause, I'm pretty sure I shouldn't.
 
2013-04-02 11:02:40 PM

MadSkillz: al's hat: radarlove: al's hat: Does the same risk apply with hearing aids?

Even worse!  Just look at those people- the bacterial buildup is so severe that they can't hear shiat!


untaken_name: radarlove: 3.  Anyone who argues over the agricultural classification of tomatoes is a pedantic f*cking twit.

What about people who argue over the classification of Fark posters?

Only slightly less pedantic, and I never claimed to not be a farking twit.

I was actually being nice instead of snarky for once.  Really, bacterial buildup from wearing disposable earplugs while sleeping?  Right, it's not like people wear them during 12 hour shifts (or more) at work...not to mention hearing aids...and I've never ever heard of anyone getting bacterial infections from wearing earplugs or hearing aids.  Hey guys, I got toxic shock syndrome from wearing earplugs over night while sleeping!  MadSkillz needs to work on logic skillz...

Sure, my logic skillz.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ate/ent/202925.html

http://www.ojhas.org/issue26/2008-2-4.htm


Cerumen impaction (earwax blockage):
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/earwax/hic_cerumen_impaction _e arwax_buildup_and_blockage.aspx

...can lead to infection.

Basically, the mechanism of drying the wax to make it fall out (which it always seems to do to me at dinner) doesn't work well when it's constantly moist in there. It needs air.

I'm pretty sure most people can wear earplugs occasionally at night without problems.

However, since my ears will plug themselves up at least once a year without any known cause, I'm pretty sure I shouldn't.


That puts you in an unfortunate minority.  None of your links caused my ears to ring in alarm.  I wear earplugs on a fairly regular basis, sometimes in excess of eight hours at a time.  With a fiance who snores on occasion, target shooting, chainsaw, tractor, and other machine use, I can't imagine not using them.    ;)
 
2013-04-03 01:36:36 AM

MadSkillz: However, since my ears will plug themselves up at least once a year without any known cause, I'm pretty sure I shouldn't.


You should check out ear candles.
 
2013-04-03 02:20:56 AM

radarlove: MadSkillz: However, since my ears will plug themselves up at least once a year without any known cause, I'm pretty sure I shouldn't.

You should check out ear candles.


No.
 
2013-04-03 08:03:44 AM
A  little bit of hydrogen peroxide will "fizz" out any junk. Just lie on your side and drop a capful in.Cheap and works well.
 
2013-04-03 11:42:32 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: To me too - thanks. So the negative attitude a person has towards an aroma can lead to themselves making themselves ill. Now I need to find a construction way to explain to them they are way too critical of anything they disapprove of and would actually feel better if they learned to lighten up a bit and maybe pull the sticks out of their butts for health reasons.


It's a lot like arachnophobia.  Sure, being afraid of something that can poison you when you are 5, have little control over your body and what "pain" means, and are bad at detecting warning signs, makes sense.  However, we tend to forget that even a lot of what we'd consider to be HIGHLY venomous spiders are still little more than painful to adults.  We just learn to fear things when we're kids, and we never learn to turn off the fear response as adults.  We should be able to overpower things with our health, and learn not to fear almost anything.  Instead, most of us never reach anywhere near our potential health, and are at risk to a lot of things that should be extremely unpleasant at worse.  Yes, explosive output from your orifices is really unpleasant, but a guy with the build of an NFL player should be able to eat almost any tainted food and expel it from his body with physical means (ie fiber and water flushing) before too much damage is done.  A guy with sufficient muscle should literally be able to burn most bacteria out of his body just through force of will and exercise, just by more or less leaning into his immune response and taking control of it.
 
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