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(TSN)   Flames firesale of failure continues as Boumeester traded to Blues. Leafs talking to Kiprusoff. The rebuild begins   (tsn.ca) divider line 69
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2013-04-02 09:26:48 PM
Since this is the ranking hockey thread...

ISLANDERS IN THE 8 SPOT!

/Yes, the Rags have 2 games in hand. Shut up.
 
2013-04-02 09:32:26 PM
1:55 before we let one in and go to OT.
 
2013-04-02 09:37:52 PM

Ishkur: Jay Bouwmeester has never been in the playoffs before.


On top of that, he's never been in the playoffs in junior, and only once in the AHL - where he registered 14 pts in 18 gam....err, make that 14 PIM in 18 games, no points.
 
2013-04-02 10:00:19 PM

WhiskeySticks: Doc Daneeka: Meanwhile, the Sabres' firesale is ongoing.

Brennan, gone.  Leopold, gone.  Regehr, gone.

Team is stockpiling draft picks like crazy, which is good.  Team needs a complete rebuild.

Next up:  Pominville?  Vanek?  Maybe even Miller?

Tonight's score:
Buffalo - 1
Crosby's Broken Jaw - 4


Funny how that worked out.
 
2013-04-02 11:00:07 PM

soopey: *sigh*

I don't want Ryan Clowe to be a Bruin. We already have enough big guys that can't score (Seidenberg and Boychuck are prime examples).


Lucky you.  Rangers got him.  Sharks got another second round pick.  I was glad to see Murray and Handzus go, but Clowe and his 271 career points was a keeper.
 
2013-04-02 11:00:32 PM

desertgeek: Due to no power rankings thread, the NHL expanded and alternate points systems standings through Sunday's games.

Notes:

I've created a "magic number" column to show how close or far away teams are from either clinching a playoff spot or getting eliminated.

The formula is similar to the one used in baseball to figure that out:

Max points possible +1 (this year: 97) -Team A point total -Team B points lost (regulation losses x2 +OT/SO losses)

For the top 8, playoff team is Team A and Team B is the 9th place team. Below 8th place, Team A is 8th place and Team B is the non-playoff team.

This week, the Penguins should clinch has they have a magic number of 6.

I'll try to update the link again after Wednesday's games and will keep up the twice a week pace the rest of April.


Oh, the magic number confused me for a bit.  I didn't understand if it was points or games, or what achieving it meant.  After looking through it and reading your explanation here and then having to think throughit some more, I think it could be stated better to clear up what it means.  How aboot just calling it what it is?  Points to Clinch Playoff Birth, or Clinch Points?  or PBCP (playoff birth clinch points)?

Also, why use a 7 year period for the Playoff Column?  Is 7 years significant/relevant in someway?

/cool sheet
 
2013-04-02 11:06:46 PM

wattimus: Also, why use a 7 year period for the Playoff Column?  Is 7 years significant/relevant in someway?

/cool sheet


It's the trend for the 8th seed over a period of time(in this case the previous CBA).  It's generally a good way of figuring out what the minimum is to get into the post season.  During the previous 7 years 8th place was between 92-94 points in each conference so by doing a little math he's worked out what it will likely be this year with a shortened season.
 
2013-04-03 02:07:38 AM

wattimus: Oh, the magic number confused me for a bit.  I didn't understand if it was points or games, or what achieving it meant.  After looking through it and reading your explanation here and then having to think throughit some more, I think it could be stated better to clear up what it means.  How aboot just calling it what it is?  Points to Clinch Playoff Birth, or Clinch Points?  or PBCP (playoff birth clinch points)?


Well, magic number is kind of a well known term. Any sports fan knows that magic number refers to what a team needs to clinch a playoff spot. It's just most commonly used in baseball since it's straight up wins and losses. It's a bit more tricky in hockey since you have to consider OT losses and such.

If anything, I may change how it looks so that it's more obvious that for the teams below 8th, that's how close they are to being eliminated. It's just a royal pain in the ass dealing with Excel formulas to make the whole damn thing work. If I accidentally include the magic number column in sorting the standings, the formulas get farked up.

As for your other question,

Flappyhead: wattimus: Also, why use a 7 year period for the Playoff Column?  Is 7 years significant/relevant in someway?

/cool sheet

It's the trend for the 8th seed over a period of time(in this case the previous CBA).  It's generally a good way of figuring out what the minimum is to get into the post season.  During the previous 7 years 8th place was between 92-94 points in each conference so by doing a little math he's worked out what it will likely be this year with a shortened season.


What he said. It's from the 1st season of the shootout up to last year. In the East, the average was exactly 92 points which projects to 53 this year (53.1 if you want to be exact). In the West, it was something like 94.1 or there abouts. That projected to 55.6, but I rounded down to be conservative.

/Blame Pierre LeBrun for this
//He did a "what if we used the International system" column last year which inspired this.
///That's last year's standings using the "Revised" system
////LA doesn't make the playoffs on a tiebreaker with Dallas
///All because they lost in OT in the final game of the season
//Instead of every playoff team being decided 2 days earlier which actually happened
/Thanks for the complements
 
2013-04-03 02:34:43 AM

desertgeek: wattimus: Oh, the magic number confused me for a bit.  I didn't understand if it was points or games, or what achieving it meant.  After looking through it and reading your explanation here and then having to think throughit some more, I think it could be stated better to clear up what it means.  How aboot just calling it what it is?  Points to Clinch Playoff Birth, or Clinch Points?  or PBCP (playoff birth clinch points)?

Well, magic number is kind of a well known term. Any sports fan knows that magic number refers to what a team needs to clinch a playoff spot. It's just most commonly used in baseball since it's straight up wins and losses. It's a bit more tricky in hockey since you have to consider OT losses and such.

If anything, I may change how it looks so that it's more obvious that for the teams below 8th, that's how close they are to being eliminated. It's just a royal pain in the ass dealing with Excel formulas to make the whole damn thing work. If I accidentally include the magic number column in sorting the standings, the formulas get farked up.

As for your other question,

Flappyhead: wattimus: Also, why use a 7 year period for the Playoff Column?  Is 7 years significant/relevant in someway?

/cool sheet

It's the trend for the 8th seed over a period of time(in this case the previous CBA).  It's generally a good way of figuring out what the minimum is to get into the post season.  During the previous 7 years 8th place was between 92-94 points in each conference so by doing a little math he's worked out what it will likely be this year with a shortened season.

What he said. It's from the 1st season of the shootout up to last year. In the East, the average was exactly 92 points which projects to 53 this year (53.1 if you want to be exact). In the West, it was something like 94.1 or there abouts. That projected to 55.6, but I rounded down to be conservative.

/Blame Pierre LeBrun for this
//He did a "what if we used the International system" column last ...


I get the math behind it... and that the shootout has been around for 7 years... i just didn't know if there was a real reason to use 7, aside from that (was there something legitimately meaningful aboot 7?).

if you were really being mathematical aboot it, you might figure the # of points to get in vs % of games that go to OT (games that create a 3rd point).  On years where there isn't as much OT, the points needed magic number will be lower to get into the playoffs.  the average only applies to this year if the # of OT games is on par with the average over the past 7 seasons.  with a comparison here based on the current year's rate of OT games, you could estimate if the points this season will be lower or higher than the 7 year average.  :)  (though that's possibly fairly negligible)

And yeah, i guess you're right about the magic number.  I'm a sports fan, but you don't really see magic number in hockey or football.  And i don't watch baseball, but now that you mention it, I do remember seeing it there when i've glanced at baseball as it becomes somewhat interesting (end of the season).
 
2013-04-03 02:39:01 AM
i may as well take this opportunity to make 2 rants:

1) the alignment next year is stupid in regards to 16 teams in the east and 14 teams in the west.  there's already enough teams in the east that have small markets and can hardly sustain teams... and now they have even less chance of making the playoffs.

2) i really hate that some games are worth 3 points and others are worth 2.  i would just collude with the other teams' coaches ahead of the game "let's just say we go to overtime and then play for that extra point" ...boom, i'm guaranteed 50% points.
 
2013-04-03 02:49:59 AM
wattimus: Well, tonight I found a legitimate reason why a magic number doesn't work in hockey. On the linked sheet, the Pens have a magic number of 6. But the combo of their loss plus the Islanders winning and dumping the Rangers in the 9th spot (making them the team the magic number formula is based on) actually made Pittsburgh's magic number go UP to 8 simply because the Rangers have played fewer 2 games than the Islanders have so they've lost fewer points. That was a situation I wasn't prepared for at all. Lesson learned.

I'll keep that going anyway, but it's clearly a slightly inexact measurement.
 
2013-04-03 07:54:48 AM
Hell of a game between the Bruins and Sens last night... Very few stoppages and fast, physical play from both teams.

Glad the Bs came out on top and got the two points, but hoping Bergeron isn't hurt too bad.

Probably one of the better games I've seen this season.
 
2013-04-03 10:21:18 AM
So is this the trade deadline thread?

If so it's as quiet in here as it is out there.
 
2013-04-03 11:32:43 AM

soopey: So is this the trade deadline thread?

If so it's as quiet in here as it is out there.


Because who's left to get traded? Everyone's either traded or re-signed with their teams. Some talk that Philly might be trying to get PHX defenseman Keith Yandle (who had 2 goals last night in the Coyotes 3-1 win over LA), but that would cost the Flyers a lot to get him. Elliotte Friedman is saying it would be 2 "impact forwards" including a potential 1st line center. It's not happening.

/And no, Philly; we won't take Bryz back.
 
2013-04-03 12:01:32 PM
swahnhennessy:
You severely underestimate (overestimate?) the Avs.

I think the Avs are tanking for the poetry of getting Seth Jones to wind up in Colorado
 
2013-04-03 12:13:18 PM

wattimus: 1) the alignment next year is stupid in regards to 16 teams in the east and 14 teams in the west. there's already enough teams in the east that have small markets and can hardly sustain teams... and now they have even less chance of making the playoffs.


They're going to expand to Seattle and KC in the next five years, probably, which would balance east and west.
 
2013-04-03 12:36:10 PM

wattimus: i may as well take this opportunity to make 2 rants:

1) the alignment next year is stupid in regards to 16 teams in the east and 14 teams in the west.  there's already enough teams in the east that have small markets and can hardly sustain teams... and now they have even less chance of making the playoffs.

2) i really hate that some games are worth 3 points and others are worth 2.  i would just collude with the other teams' coaches ahead of the game "let's just say we go to overtime and then play for that extra point" ...boom, i'm guaranteed 50% points.


1) As phyrkrakr said, they'll almost certainly expand in the next few years. Seattle, Kansas City, Houston and Las Vegas are probably the top 4 candidates. Either that, or they expand to Quebec and somewhere else and are forced to do conferences not based on East/West alignments.

Honestly, Quebec's best hope for a team is Florida or Columbus moving. If Phoenix moves this summer, the NHL will block them from going to Quebec in an effort to not upset the new alignment (read: not piss off the Wings).

2) Most fans hate that. That's why people want to see 3 pts for a win, which they do in international play.
 
2013-04-03 01:04:00 PM
Reports say that Kiprusoff will stay with Calgary and is considering retirement at season's end. He has told Toronto that he is not interested in going there and the Leafs are apparently respecting that.
 
2013-04-04 04:52:29 AM

desertgeek: Reports say that Kiprusoff will stay with Calgary and is considering retirement at season's end. He has told Toronto that he is not interested in going there and the Leafs are apparently respecting that.


Woohoo!
 
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