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2013-04-02 07:24:02 AM
They are making good money off of us and the people are generally happy. The last thing that the government wants is a east asia war. Both America and China are nice trading partners plus they hold a substantial amount of our debt. Things are peaceful and the money is flowing. Lets hope it stays that way. North Korea what are you doing?
 
2013-04-02 07:25:19 AM
Chinese internet sites are resounding with criticism not of the United States but of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who is derided as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, both previous rulers of the pariah state.

Wait, wasn't the first guy not fat?  Just the next two?
 
2013-04-02 07:29:17 AM
Best Korea is China's Israel.
 
2013-04-02 07:33:50 AM
They just want to prevent the US from pulling a Cambodia while invading the NooKs.
 
2013-04-02 07:33:53 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.


Except that Best Korea is occasionally willing to do what China requests.
 
2013-04-02 07:34:10 AM
About time. Enough is enough with this sh*t.
 
2013-04-02 07:35:58 AM

crazydave023: They are making good money off of us and the people are generally happy. The last thing that the government wants is a east asia war. Both America and China are nice trading partners plus they hold a substantial amount of our debt. Things are peaceful and the money is flowing. Lets hope it stays that way. North Korea what are you doing?


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2013-04-02 07:42:56 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.

Except that Best Korea is occasionally willing to do what China requests.


Like Israel bombing nuclear facilities in Syria?
 
2013-04-02 07:46:45 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.

Except that Best Korea is occasionally willing to do what China requests.


Except China occasionally tugs on the leash and pulls Best Korea back in line.

Remember the last time we actually told Israel to stop their shiat?  I can't think of anything more recent than 1956.
 
2013-04-02 07:53:21 AM

FullMetalPanda: Chinese internet sites are resounding with criticism not of the United States but of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who is derided as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, both previous rulers of the pariah state.

Wait, wasn't the first guy not fat?  Just the next two?


I'm pretty sure all Kim II Jung was fat.
 
2013-04-02 07:54:29 AM
China is in something of a precarious situation. On the one hand, they need North Korea to act as a buffer. The last thing they want is a reunited Korea and a big ol' U.S. ally right up on their border. On the other hand, North Korea is run by huge assholes.
 
2013-04-02 07:57:21 AM
I think your journalistic credibility declines with the use of terms such as "frenemy" in serious context.
 
2013-04-02 08:04:54 AM

JerseyTim: China is in something of a precarious situation. On the one hand, they need North Korea to act as a buffer. The last thing they want is a reunited Korea and a big ol' U.S. ally right up on their border. On the other hand, North Korea is run by huge assholes.


And I kept telling people, this is all saber rattling, because DPRK knows that if anything is done that could result in refugees attempting to cross the Yalu, the Chinese will respond and the military leadership cabal can not afford a military defeat.  That brings down the house of cards.
 
2013-04-02 08:07:06 AM
that's communist china according to the FBI website.
 
2013-04-02 08:07:26 AM

UNC_Samurai: Philip Francis Queeg: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.

Except that Best Korea is occasionally willing to do what China requests.

Except China occasionally tugs on the leash and pulls Best Korea back in line.

Remember the last time we actually told Israel to stop their shiat?  I can't think of anything more recent than 1956.


We've told Israel to stop building settlements many times. They just don't do it (or say they will, and then go right on stealing land).
 
2013-04-02 08:08:01 AM
it could play out like this....

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2013-04-02 08:09:33 AM
Linux_Yes: that's communist china according to the FBI CIA website.


corrected.
 
2013-04-02 08:12:03 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: UNC_Samurai: Philip Francis Queeg: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.

Except that Best Korea is occasionally willing to do what China requests.

Except China occasionally tugs on the leash and pulls Best Korea back in line.

Remember the last time we actually told Israel to stop their shiat?  I can't think of anything more recent than 1956.

We've told Israel to stop building settlements many times. They just don't do it (or say they will, and then go right on stealing land).


Yeah, but I don't think we expect to be taken seriously when we say it.  It's more of a "Stop, or I will say 'Stop!' again!"
 
2013-04-02 08:14:22 AM

UNC_Samurai: Philip Francis Queeg: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.

Except that Best Korea is occasionally willing to do what China requests.

Except China occasionally tugs on the leash and pulls Best Korea back in line.

Remember the last time we actually told Israel to stop their shiat?  I can't think of anything more recent than 1956.


We've told Israel to stop authorizing building new settlements in the West Bank and Gaza while negotiating a peace (which makes sense: how can you agree to land swaps when one country is claiming ownership of more land that has been recognized by the international community as owned by the other country every day?)

They responded by announcing an expansion of the settlements hours before they met with Biden as a way to biatchslap us on the issue. If the US ever did something like that to Israel you would never hear the end of it that America would disrespect an ally so blatantly.
 
2013-04-02 08:16:55 AM
Told ya.
 
2013-04-02 08:24:51 AM
I think in some unofficial channels they are telling us "Just farking do it already. If I have to see his smug face one more time I will personally choke him myself."
 
2013-04-02 08:26:07 AM

Agarista: I think your journalistic credibility declines with the use of terms such as "frenemy" in serious context.


"For more context, here are a series of texts sent between North Korea and the US last night.  A disclaimer, however: after the third glass of wine it inevitably devolves into dick pics."
 
2013-04-02 08:36:28 AM

thatboyoverthere: I think in some unofficial channels they are telling us "Just farking do it already. If I have to see his smug face one more time I will personally choke him myself."


Nah, China is going to flatten the north the minute one stray shell lands on the south. Sure it won't technically be China, it will be the UN peacekeeping force but the bulk of the force will be China with the US and Japan providing naval and tactical support.

Gonna be one of those rare moments where we step back and let regional powers handle a regional problem.
 
2013-04-02 08:42:48 AM
China needs to yank the leash on their yapping dog.
 
2013-04-02 08:44:05 AM

UNC_Samurai: Philip Francis Queeg: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.

Except that Best Korea is occasionally willing to do what China requests.

Except China occasionally tugs on the leash and pulls Best Korea back in line.


The US stood up to Israel when Israel was telling the US to bomb Iran.  Yeah, we showed 'em.
 
2013-04-02 08:49:19 AM

FullMetalPanda: Chinese internet sites are resounding with criticism not of the United States but of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who is derided as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, both previous rulers of the pariah state.

Wait, wasn't the first guy not fat?  Just the next two?


Nah, he was a little porker, too.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-02 08:50:46 AM
So ronery

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2013-04-02 08:52:49 AM

JerseyTim: China is in something of a precarious situation. On the one hand, they need North Korea to act as a buffer. The last thing they want is a reunited Korea and a big ol' U.S. ally right up on their border. On the other hand, North Korea is run by huge assholes.


Why? Does China think the only reason South Koreans and the US aren't invading them is that North Korea is in the way?
 
2013-04-02 08:54:35 AM
Chinese internet sites are resounding with criticism not of the United States but of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who is derided as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, both previous rulers of the pariah state.

We're not so different after all...
 
2013-04-02 08:57:32 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: FullMetalPanda: Chinese internet sites are resounding with criticism not of the United States but of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who is derided as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, both previous rulers of the pariah state.

Wait, wasn't the first guy not fat?  Just the next two?

Nah, he was a little porker, too.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 300x371]


Yep.  Here he is in green, standing next to Josip Tito (in white):

www.titoville.com
 
2013-04-02 08:58:38 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: thatboyoverthere: I think in some unofficial channels they are telling us "Just farking do it already. If I have to see his smug face one more time I will personally choke him myself."

Nah, China is going to flatten the north the minute one stray shell lands on the south. Sure it won't technically be China, it will be the UN peacekeeping force but the bulk of the force will be China with the US and Japan providing naval and tactical support.

Gonna be one of those rare moments where we step back and let regional powers handle a regional problem.


hahaha...

You ever seen a UN peacekeeping froce put together in less than a year?

You think China is going to lift a finger if they can let other people do it?
 
2013-04-02 09:02:32 AM

crazydave023: They are making good money off of us and the people are generally happy. The last thing that the government wants is a east asia war. Both America and China are nice trading partners plus they hold a substantial amount of our debt. Things are peaceful and the money is flowing. Lets hope it stays that way. North Korea what are you doing?


Screaming that they want their cut. Apparently someone forgot to mail the check.
 
2013-04-02 09:13:46 AM

liam76: You think China is going to lift a finger if they can let other people do it?


They won't, which is why we have all the blustering. Both powers are playing chicken and waiting for the other one to make a move. Granted we both have the same interests in mind, its who's gonna foot the bill that's the question.
 
2013-04-02 09:15:09 AM
I don't think it was so much about China protecting its border as it was about China being able to demonstrate their political power in the region. I.E. you can't do anything to North Korea without our approval.

Problem for Best Korea is that China can now use Syria and Iran for that same purpose. Why put up with North Korea's crazy when they can make what is probably a better show of power on the world stage by blocking sanctions to those two countries. Plus Iran is an important supplier of oil for China whereas the only thing NK supplies is grief.

I think the only reason they haven't told NK you're own your own is that they are stil trying to figure out how to back away while saving grace.
 
2013-04-02 09:18:09 AM

dittybopper: Rev. Skarekroe: FullMetalPanda: Chinese internet sites are resounding with criticism not of the United States but of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who is derided as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, both previous rulers of the pariah state.

Wait, wasn't the first guy not fat?  Just the next two?

Nah, he was a little porker, too.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 300x371]

Yep.  Here he is in green, standing next to Josip Tito (in white):

[www.titoville.com image 669x586]


Just in case we didnt know that the one white guy in the photo isnt Kim....
 
2013-04-02 09:20:54 AM

Happy Hours: JerseyTim: China is in something of a precarious situation. On the one hand, they need North Korea to act as a buffer. The last thing they want is a reunited Korea and a big ol' U.S. ally right up on their border. On the other hand, North Korea is run by huge assholes.

Why? Does China think the only reason South Koreans and the US aren't invading them is that North Korea is in the way?


North Korea actually serves several useful purposes for the People's Republic of China.

First, they do act as a bit of a buffer between completely capitalist South Korea and (nominally communist) China.  The economic difference isn't necessarily as great as it once was though that is part of it, but politically, you get a bunch more freedom to speak your mind in ROK than in PRC, and the PRC doesn't want that kind of influence on its border if it can help it.

Second, North Korea acts as a bit of a salve for their collective guilt about shifting over to "Socialism With Chinese Characteristics", which is a roundabout, euphemistic way of saying "Real Communism sucks donkey dick.  We tried to make it work, and couldn't.  We give up.".  This way they can support a truly Communist nation and convince themselves that they are still communists, even if what they really are is by all conventional definition fascist.

Third, the DPRK helps the PRC by causing a distraction from what the PRC may or may not be doing.  The idea being that resources that are focused on what Kim Il-Whackjob the Third is doing aren't going to be looking at China.  It may not necessarily fool the US, who have enormous reconnaissance abilities, but it might for countries like the ROK and Japan.

Fourthly, it generates a bit of instability in the region that the PRC can exploit for favorable consideration during negotiations.  "You want us to sit on Shorty McDouchebag?  Fine, we'd like tweak this treaty.....".
 
2013-04-02 09:24:15 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: liam76: You think China is going to lift a finger if they can let other people do it?

They won't, which is why we have all the blustering. Both powers are playing chicken and waiting for the other one to make a move. Granted we both have the same interests in mind, its who's gonna foot the bill that's the question.


We both don't want them lobbing nukes, and neither of us wants war, but our interests for the country and region are very different.
 
2013-04-02 09:25:17 AM

Happy Hours: JerseyTim: China is in something of a precarious situation. On the one hand, they need North Korea to act as a buffer. The last thing they want is a reunited Korea and a big ol' U.S. ally right up on their border. On the other hand, North Korea is run by huge assholes.

Why? Does China think the only reason South Koreans and the US aren't invading them is that North Korea is in the way?


No, they don't, but it keeps us busy. Gives us something in Asia besides China to be concerned about and saps some of our energy so we're dealing with the erratic asshole state of North Korea instead of making inroads and expanding our influence with other Asian nations. It's pretty classicly Machiavellian IMHO.
 
2013-04-02 09:28:17 AM

JerseyTim: China is in something of a precarious situation. On the one hand, they need North Korea to act as a buffer. The last thing they want is a reunited Korea and a big ol' U.S. ally right up on their border. On the other hand, North Korea is run by huge assholes.


Which makes me wonder; have we ever offered China a deal?
"Say China, you know that if North Korea wasn't so damned retarded, we wouldn't have the need to have troops in South Korea."
 
2013-04-02 09:30:37 AM

Subtle_Canary: dittybopper: Rev. Skarekroe: FullMetalPanda: Chinese internet sites are resounding with criticism not of the United States but of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who is derided as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty The Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, both previous rulers of the pariah state.

Wait, wasn't the first guy not fat?  Just the next two?

Nah, he was a little porker, too.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 300x371]

Yep.  Here he is in green, standing next to Josip Tito (in white):

[www.titoville.com image 669x586]

Just in case we didnt know that the one white guy in the photo isnt Kim....


This *IS* Fark, you know.
 
2013-04-02 09:37:10 AM

liam76: We both don't want them lobbing nukes, and neither of us wants war, but our interests for the country and region are very different.


Not really, we both want their pretty shiny metals. Granted China wants them to make shiatty shiat to sell to us and we want them as a barter chip for cheaper shiatty shiat made by China, but ultimately the end goal is the same.
 
2013-04-02 09:53:18 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.


I've seen worse analogies. Not that this is bad, but the parallels are few, though important.
 
2013-04-02 09:56:27 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.

Except that Best Korea is occasionally willing to do what China requests.


So is Israel. They were after all happy to sell China, the US aircraft and drone technology given to Israel and told not to share with anyone else for instance.
 
2013-04-02 09:57:20 AM

UNC_Samurai: Philip Francis Queeg: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.

Except that Best Korea is occasionally willing to do what China requests.

Except China occasionally tugs on the leash and pulls Best Korea back in line.

Remember the last time we actually told Israel to stop their shiat?  I can't think of anything more recent than 1956.


That happens less often than you think with Best Korea.

And we weren't exactly encouraging Israel in '67, either. '67 was the turning point, though. We had started selling them stuff by then, though aside from a few Patton tanks (and some old and preposterously upgraded Shermans), the bulk of their armor was British and their air force was French. '56 was just the last time we threatened them.
 
2013-04-02 10:03:19 AM
A few questions for those more knowledgeable than me on Korean matters:

1) When did North Korea pivot away from the Soviet Union toward China? My understanding is that North Korea came into being when the Allies liberated Korea from Japan in WWII and split it up into different administrative zones, the north being under USSR control. Was it when China got involved in the Korean war?

2) Does China really worry that a united Korea would put the US on their border? Wouldn't the US lose its reason for being in Korea if north and south were reunited? Isn't the prospect of a huge economic competitor more of an issue for China?

3) Do Koreans still have harsh feelings toward the Japanese? I ask because some mention Japan taking part in military action should a fight ignite between NK and SK. Wouldn't Japanese involvement make things worse?
 
2013-04-02 10:04:02 AM
 
2013-04-02 10:17:12 AM

EngineerAU: A few questions for those more knowledgeable than me on Korean matters:

1) When did North Korea pivot away from the Soviet Union toward China? My understanding is that North Korea came into being when the Allies liberated Korea from Japan in WWII and split it up into different administrative zones, the north being under USSR control. Was it when China got involved in the Korean war?


Pretty much. The Soviets never really saw it as a useful place to project power and China was ALWAYS going to consider it their area of concern. After all, the Chinese have ancient history with the Koreans, usually in the big-brother little-brother sense.

2) Does China really worry that a united Korea would put the US on their border? Wouldn't the US lose its reason for being in Korea if north and south were reunited? Isn't the prospect of a huge economic competitor more of an issue for China?

Japan and China have a hard time invading each other without first controlling Korea. So if anyone other than Korea (or China) owns Korea, China's going to be concerned. People are generally not all that rational when it comes to accurately assessing their competitors' motivations. After all, China intervened the first time no because we were beating Best Korea, but because we were getting too close to them after their "Century of Humiliation" had JUST ended.

3) Do Koreans still have harsh feelings toward the Japanese? I ask because some mention Japan taking part in military action should a fight ignite between NK and SK. Wouldn't Japanese involvement make things worse?

Yes. I don't know to what extent the Japanese are involved in contingency plans, but boots on the ground are unacceptable.
 
2013-04-02 10:18:21 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.


F'in this.
 
2013-04-02 10:18:33 AM

UNC_Samurai: Philip Francis Queeg: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Best Korea is China's Israel.

Except that Best Korea is occasionally willing to do what China requests.

Except China occasionally tugs on the leash and pulls Best Korea back in line.

Remember the last time we actually told Israel to stop their shiat?  I can't think of anything more recent than 1956.


Yeah well any time a politician even hints at stopping the billions of dollars in aid we give those pricks in Israel he gets branded an anti-semite. In our time of national debt crises don't you think it is in the best interest of the US to stop spending money on and in wealthy countries like Israel, Germany, Britian, etc...
 
2013-04-02 10:23:47 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Yeah well any time a politician even hints at stopping the billions of dollars in aid we give those pricks in Israel he gets branded an anti-semite.


Guess what position anti-semites take?

The important thing is to make sure people: a) call out anti-semites, even when they agree with you; and b) attack the action, not the country. Yeah, it's not exactly fair, but do you want to feel good, or do you want to be effective?
 
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