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2013-04-01 10:50:04 PM  

cptjeff: Inconvenient for you? Tough


Inconvenient for you ? Tough

(do you really think you are more important than everyone else around you ? are you THAT kind of self entitled snowflake ?)
 
2013-04-01 10:50:38 PM  

Popular Opinion: there are not that many other good reasons to be flying with an infant, other than you are too selfish to give up your desires for the consideration to others.


Hmmm...I'd say allowing parents to go about their lives is more of a priority than making sure you never get a little bit annoyed.

a toddler can be entertained...learn how. something that involves the child is best.
if you are not actively attempting to entertain your child and forcing others to "deal with it", you are a shiatty ignorant parent.


Actually, as anyone who has done it could tell you, an infant is far easier to fly with than a toddler.  Toddlers need a variety of entertainment and they get *extremely* antsy being cooped up in a seat.  Young infants, especially before they can crawl, only really need to eat and sleep, and maybe a simple toy or two to look at.
 
2013-04-01 10:50:52 PM  

Babbs: Moopy Mac: Babbs: You don't know shiat about parenting until you have one. Period. And all you assholes that say "How your kid wouldn't do this and that" are full of shiat. I had a friend who liked to tell me how to raise my toddlers before she had kids. I laugh at her now because she has 3 of the most god awfully behaved kids that ever walked the face of the earth. It's like karma. So shut your mouths about how other people parent their kids before you have 'em, because I've seen this happen over and over.

So in other words, your kids have carte blanche to annoy others?

Did I say that? No. I just said that people that judge people with kids about how they are raising them should really try to be a little understanding, because when the time comes, they will be in the exact situations. No kids are perfect. Even the best ones act like assholes in public once in a while.

/ And my kids are grown now. And they both hate kids.


No. no they don't. Because I guarantee you that if I, my siblings, or any of my cousins or any of our children did, our parents would be in jail for child abuse or murder for having beaten us to death in public.  Just because your little angels act like screaming hellions and get away with it does not mean that everyone's little angels do, did, or have. I am 39 years old and my mother or any one of my aunts can, to this farking day, give me a look, and I will stop doing whatever it is that I am doing...as will every one of my nieces and nephews--just in case that look might have been directed at them.

Seriously, it's called discipline and consistency. Also known as parenting. And in no state in the United States, in no city or county, does it fall under the definition of "abuse."

Most of these dumb shiats I see in public with their little bastards should farking try it sometime. Because you know what? I, a perfect stranger, can look at those little monsters one time, and those little hellions farking know I am not playing like their wimpy ass mommies and daddies when I tell them to knock that shiat off. (And no, I don't do it to kids with Autism or other issues--you can look at a kid and tell if it's a physical issue or they're being an undisciplined little shiat).
 
2013-04-01 10:51:28 PM  

cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.


super_grass: So far, I have yet to see a single post advocating the banishment of all kids from airlines.

So take your strawman and don't go to restaurants or fly with them.


You didn't read the thread too closely then. There is no way to guarantee a child under 3 won't go on a screaming jag on a plane, so there's one post saying kids should be banned (there are many others). I can 95% guarantee my kids will be fine on a plane ride, but that's not good enough for some it seems. Thankfully, such intolerant snowflakes are quite in the minority and don't cause any real trouble.
 
2013-04-01 10:52:14 PM  

Slartibartfaster: cptjeff: Inconvenient for you? Tough

Inconvenient for you ? Tough

(do you really think you are more important than everyone else around you ? are you THAT kind of self entitled snowflake ?)


Because I don't feel like typing it again:

cptjeff: WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: Making everybody else's life a living hell because of your shortcomings does not make you a good person.

Yes because you can't be arsed to not insist the world revolve around you for a few hours.

Oh, the irony. Saying everybody else has the right to not have to listen to your little shiat scream for hours is selfish in your book, while insisting that everybody else be inconvenienced because of your wants isn't.

Hint: When somebody is advocating something that benefits society at large, that is not being selfish. When somebody is advocating something that benefits them at the expense of the collective, that IS being selfish.

 
2013-04-01 10:52:22 PM  

Barfmaker: Barfmaker: This is not about that.
GAT_00: You know what you could have done? Not flown with a 3 month old. Seriously, what the fark?

Heh, well, apparently this is about that.


No, no, you were right. Sensible, mature adults will understand.
 
2013-04-01 10:53:29 PM  

Surpheon: There is no way to guarantee a child under 3 won't go on a screaming jag on a plane


Then be a better parent.

Most people here will give you sympathy points even if they see you try to keep things calm. Not everyone out there is trying to "get" you breeders they just want to mind their business and hope that you will let them.
 
2013-04-01 10:53:38 PM  

technofiend: ArcadianRefugee: May be a condescending urban douchebag, but not having children doesn't prevent one from knowing better than some people who do, any more than a research scientist needs to inject himself with Drug X to study its effect on people.

It's a little thing called "observation" and, over time, it enables you to realize who the shiatty parents are, and why.

There's definitely something to be learned from observation, but this article has shares the same condescending tone found in many, many conversations I've had with New Yorkers.  I don't actually care for the constant know-it-all attitude and one upsmanship you find with those folks.  His tone is part of the problem, but it's normal in NYC and just aggravating anywhere else.  Hence all the negative reactions.


You're full of shiat.
 
2013-04-01 10:54:05 PM  

WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: When somebody is advocating something that benefits society at large

A child crying on an airplane does no harm to society.


Neither does smothering the little maggot with apillow.
 
2013-04-01 10:55:09 PM  
I have three kids. One of them turns 20 this month. I agree with a lot of what this guy says. I don't understand today's parents either. Yes, I want my children to love me, but I also want them to respect me. And by respect, I mean fear the consequences of disobeying me. I tell my kids to do something one time and only one time. If they don't do it, they face consequences. Repeat offenses result in increasingly severe consequences. As a result, they know they better do it the first time I say it. If they want to appeal their case, they are welcome to do so if they maintain a respectful tone. I might sound strict, but I've been told many times that I have very well-behaved children.

Because they have been raised this way from day one, they already know how to behave, so they don't misbehave. I don't have to deal out punishment very often, so my being strict does not mean my children live under an oppresive dictatorship. Most of the time things are pleasant.

If children don't learn to fear punishment for misbehaving or disobeying, they will not fear the consequences they will face as adults for breaking laws or not following rules where they live or work. Often, those consequences end up being criminal charges or civil lawsuits. And it'll be their parents' fault for not raising them properly.
 
2013-04-01 10:55:36 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: cs30109: cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.

Cars are not practical for cross-country travel with a young kid.   Since all airlines allow kids, YOU are the one who will just have to deal with it.

Planes are for travel.  They aren't designed to provide you perfect peace and quiet towatch movies, or work on your laptop, or read books.  Those are nice diversions, but providing the perfect environment for your little activities isn't their purpose; their only purpose is to get you where you need to go.  Expecting never to be annoyed by a baby on group transportationis totally unreasonable.

You say "cars are not practical for cross-country travel with a young child." I read "I don't wish to be stuck in a car with my own child."


I read that as being the time difference involved in travel methods.  Traveling cross-country in a car is a long and wearying experience if trying to get from point A to point B expeditiously.  Traveling cross-country by air is a significantly less time consuming (and still often wearying) experience.
 
2013-04-01 10:55:50 PM  

Surpheon: cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.

super_grass: So far, I have yet to see a single post advocating the banishment of all kids from airlines.

So take your strawman and don't go to restaurants or fly with them.

You didn't read the thread too closely then. There is no way to guarantee a child under 3 won't go on a screaming jag on a plane, so there's one post saying kids should be banned (there are many others). I can 95% guarantee my kids will be fine on a plane ride, but that's not good enough for some it seems. Thankfully, such intolerant snowflakes are quite in the minority and don't cause any real trouble.


Where in that post did I say kids should be banned? Before you try with the stupidity, let me make it simple. I didn't. You just suck at reading comprehension.

My argument is simple: If your kid can behave, whatever. If your kid cannot behave, do not bring said banshee into a setting where that would cause problems, like an airplane or a fancy restaurant.
 
2013-04-01 10:55:57 PM  

give me doughnuts: WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: When somebody is advocating something that benefits society at large

A child crying on an airplane does no harm to society.

Neither does smothering the little maggot with apillow.


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2013-04-01 10:56:24 PM  
Is there book-larnin' involved?

\drtfa
 
2013-04-01 10:56:50 PM  

Aigoo: ... I guarantee you that ... my ... children ... did ... my mother ... in ... the ... ass...


Dude.
 
2013-04-01 10:56:58 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSx_42ivLPk
Seems apropos, especially at 3:50
 
2013-04-01 10:57:23 PM  
Fuggin Bizzy:


I think he's trolling us though. What day is it again?
Tend to lean towards this. Either that or the Fark Admins for green lighting. Or Subby. I don't read NYT enough to know which of their staff may have an unstated sense of humor or death wish.

That said, let little kids make their clothing choices. Especially picture day at school. They'll catch on much easier than rationalization and you get great material when they hit the teenage dating scene or want that insanely expensive prom dress. It's about when to play the consequences of their choices once they are old enough to absorb the idea.  "Wait, you insisted on wearing a Shazam shirt all through middle
 school and now you want a $500 dress? Get that shirt out. Ima gonna sew it to a skirt for you instead..."


/has 3 kids and great picture day memories
 
2013-04-01 10:57:25 PM  

super_grass: Surpheon: cptjeff: Surpheon: cptjeff: Surpheon: The owner of the plane determines what is appropriate for the setting,

You don't have the slightest clue, do you?

Awwww, is someone unhappy that almost every airline in the world has deemed you a worthless market to cater to? (I think there is one asian airline that has banned kids in first class, but they don't fly to the US.)

You personal opinion of what is appropriate for the setting is based upon nothing but your sense of entitlement. My opinion is based upon what every airline in the United States supports.

Since you really do seem to be that clueless, what's appropriate to the setting has absolutely nothing to do with what the airline says. It has to do with something called "social convention". The people who make forks don't tell you where to put them, but in certain settings there are pretty strictly kept rules about how to lay a place setting anyway.

Your personal opinion of social convention is not shared by even a single airline. Boo-hoo, you're a delicate flower who can't deal with kids on planes. Since you clearly believe you, personally, are the center of the universe I can see how you might believe that makes it a social convention. But it's not.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/06/02/3-year-old-kicked-off-airplane-f or -crying/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1772347/posts
http://www.thestar.com/life/parent/2013/03/18/familys_travel_nightma re _a_cautionary_tale_for_parents_flying_with_children.html

Airlines will tolerate you if you give them money, but they like everyone else have a limit. Consider yourself warned.


Wow, you can almost count on one hand the number of times it's been a problem. Asshole captains have also kicked people off for wearing too short a skirt and looking Arab. And actually I don't have a problem with kids getting kicked off if they won't sit down and get belted in. I just have a problem with the entitled assholes who say no kid under 3 should ever go on a plane because they may cry.
 
2013-04-01 10:58:15 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: You say "cars are not practical for cross-country travel with a young child." I read "I don't wish to be stuck in a car with my own child."


A plane ride home to my family is 3 hours.  A car ride is 24.  That would probably need to be split into 2 or 3 driving days to be tolerable for a young kid, and I normally get only a week at a time for vacation.

So no, it's not remotely practical to spend 4 days of my 7 day vacation solely on travel, and every one of those 8-12 hour driving days are going to be miserable for a toddler.  I'll take the 3 hour flight every time, even if there's a small risk that my kid might cry for a little while.

I should add that, up to now, my own kid has been pretty well behaved on flights.  We've done at least 10 flights with him, never with any solid crying---a little fussiness for 15-20 minutes or so in the worst case.  But even if I see something go very badly with other parents and their kid cries for an hour or something, I'm not going to whine about it or give them dirty looks.  People have to be able to travel with their kids, and NO, cars are NOT practical for some trips.
 
2013-04-01 10:58:55 PM  

give me doughnuts: WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: When somebody is advocating something that benefits society at large

A child crying on an airplane does no harm to society.

Neither does smothering the little maggot with apillow.


i've quieted fussy kids by spinning a pillow or book on my finger.
it mesmerizes them, especially if they can pick things to spin, or you can spin things on their finger.

/an otherwise useless talent
 
2013-04-01 10:59:14 PM  

Surpheon: super_grass: Surpheon: cptjeff: Surpheon: cptjeff: Surpheon: The owner of the plane determines what is appropriate for the setting,

You don't have the slightest clue, do you?

Awwww, is someone unhappy that almost every airline in the world has deemed you a worthless market to cater to? (I think there is one asian airline that has banned kids in first class, but they don't fly to the US.)

You personal opinion of what is appropriate for the setting is based upon nothing but your sense of entitlement. My opinion is based upon what every airline in the United States supports.

Since you really do seem to be that clueless, what's appropriate to the setting has absolutely nothing to do with what the airline says. It has to do with something called "social convention". The people who make forks don't tell you where to put them, but in certain settings there are pretty strictly kept rules about how to lay a place setting anyway.

Your personal opinion of social convention is not shared by even a single airline. Boo-hoo, you're a delicate flower who can't deal with kids on planes. Since you clearly believe you, personally, are the center of the universe I can see how you might believe that makes it a social convention. But it's not.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/06/02/3-year-old-kicked-off-airplane-f or -crying/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1772347/posts
http://www.thestar.com/life/parent/2013/03/18/familys_travel_nightma re _a_cautionary_tale_for_parents_flying_with_children.html

Airlines will tolerate you if you give them money, but they like everyone else have a limit. Consider yourself warned.

Wow, you can almost count on one hand the number of times it's been a problem. Asshole captains have also kicked people off for wearing too short a skirt and looking Arab. And actually I don't have a problem with kids getting kicked off if they won't sit down and get belted in. I just have a problem with the entitled assholes who say no kid under 3 should ever go ...


Then be pissed off at your imaginary enemy elsewhere.
 
2013-04-01 10:59:49 PM  

cptjeff: Surpheon: Your personal opinion of social convention is not shared by even a single airline.

You really don't realize how stupid this makes you sound, do you? Not every social convention is enforced by an outside body. There's no dress code police that will drum you out of the room if you show up to meet the President in jorts and a wife beater. But some of us had parents that taught us that you are expected to act in certain ways in certain settings. You know, manners. Actually, I doubt that you do.


You really don't realize how stupid you sound when you say young kids should never fly because they might cry and that is simply unacceptable to your delicate flower ears do you?
 
2013-04-01 11:02:03 PM  
I think parents -- especially today's well-off, trend-aware urban parents of the type that read NY Times op-eds -- could stand to be reminded that they operate within a culture that extends beyond themselves and their offspring, and when the rest of us see you negotiate with a 3-year-old as if you're on equal footing, we wonder why you're choosing not to act or think like an adult.
 
2013-04-01 11:02:04 PM  
I'm not a parent, so crying children in confined places summons an unbearable "Texas mom driving the devil from her children, a foot deep in a running American Standard bathtub" kinda feeling from me
 
2013-04-01 11:02:26 PM  

acekjd83: austin_millbarge: It can't be any worse than people with kids who love to play the "you don't know what it's like" card to anyone who doesn't have any. Congratufrkkinglations you've procreated just like a hundred billion people have before you. You're special.

/fark those people with a flaming pitchfork

THIS!

My wife wasn't able to conceive naturally and we struggled to have kids. My wife teaches preschool, we watch toddlers every Sunday and help her parents raise our two nieces. BUT, since we had not actually combined our own chromosomes, any mention of child-rearing practices would often bring a laugh and a thoughtless "you don't understand since you don't have kids".

Now that we have actual kids that we actually made with our actual floppy bits, our outlook hasn't changed and we have the same advice now as we did then. Meanwhile the shiatty parents with shiatty practices have raised bratty, entitled kids.


Congrats on your success, and by holding to your principles. Also congrats on excellent use of the phrase "floppy bits". I got quite a chuckle out of that.
 
2013-04-01 11:03:05 PM  
F.U. subby. If birthing crotchfruit actually gave you any insight into RAISING them, there wouldn't be so many farkin' brats on the planet.
 
2013-04-01 11:03:34 PM  

super_grass: Then be pissed off at your imaginary enemy elsewhere.


? I'm not particularily pissed off, but as I've cited cptjeff sounds like an entitled asshole for his stated position that kids should never get on a plane since they may cry and that is completely unacceptable. Nothing imaginary about that; read his posts.
 
2013-04-01 11:03:50 PM  

Popular Opinion: give me doughnuts: WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: When somebody is advocating something that benefits society at large

A child crying on an airplane does no harm to society.

Neither does smothering the little maggot with apillow.

i've quieted fussy kids by spinning a pillow or book on my finger.
it mesmerizes them, especially if they can pick things to spin, or you can spin things on their finger.

/an otherwise useless talent


Does mesmerizing them make it easier to smother them with the pillow, or whacking them with the book?
 
2013-04-01 11:06:09 PM  

Nabb1: lilplatinum: Nabb1:
You'll get over it. Well, normal people get over it.

You know whats more abnormal than people not getting over crying children in cramped confined spaces for hours at a time?  People who can't seem to get over the fact that some people find that unpleasant.

Of course it's unpleasant, but it's not a crime against humanity. Get over it. Flying sucks all around these days. TSA, overbooking, fees for everything, no peanuts. Sack up and deal with it.


That's why I don't fly. Because, as someone with a brain injury, it's actually physically painful for me to deal with screaming children for five hours in an enclosed space. Besides that, because of my brain injury, I'm prone to impulse control issues. I do extraordinarily well controlling my impulses for someone with TBI and PTSD because I don't allow my condition to be an excuse for bad behavior and because I have a lifetime of discipline, but I guarantee you that hours in a tin can with a screaming kid plus some little shiat kicking my seat because his parents can't be arsed to control him? I'll probably lose my temper. Not on the kid, but on the parents. And they'd farking deserve it.

And that's why some airlines are offering child-free flights: because there are many parents who can't be arsed to even try to control their little darlings.

Now babies crying, that's beyond anyone's control once they've been fed and changed. The pressure differential hurts the baby's ears and the only way they know to express it is cry. But your little toddler? Control that brat. I flew frequently as a toddler and I never kicked a seat back 'cause if I did, it was a trip to the bathroom to get my little ass warmed by mom's hand.
 
2013-04-01 11:06:12 PM  
The main behavioral transgression that parents often let their children get away with, which irks me the most, is that they allow their kids to scream bloody murder in public.

Maybe I'm defective, hell there's no maybe about it, but when I hear kids shrieking at the top of their lungs, it immediately makes me fear that something horrible has just happened to some kid -- maybe they're getting kidnapped or attacked by a wild animal or ran out into the road and got hit by a car.   Then I get infuriated when I see that it's just kids screaming for no purpose.

Someday, I'm going to hear a child legitimately screaming out of pain or fear, and I'm going to do nothing, only because I'm going to assume nothing is wrong.  And then some parent is going to wonder why nobody came to help or called the police and the truth is, it's because we've all been conditioned to the fact that the screaming little banshees have cried wolf a thousand times too many.
 
2013-04-01 11:07:33 PM  

Surpheon: super_grass: Then be pissed off at your imaginary enemy elsewhere.

? I'm not particularily pissed off, but as I've cited cptjeff sounds like an entitled asshole for his stated position that kids should never get on a plane since they may cry and that is completely unacceptable. Nothing imaginary about that; read his posts.


If by read, you mean "read"...

I've stated my position pretty explicitly a couple of times, but once more: If your child can behave, nobody gives a shiat. If your child cannot behave, you, as a parent, need to realize that and be considerate of those around you.

Wow. How radical. Courtesy for the people around you.
 
2013-04-01 11:08:20 PM  
cptjeff:

If someone can't raise a kid that can (predictably - with exception) behave, they probably don't have the wherewithall to know that they shouldn't bring them onto a plane.  Chickens can't breed with humans.  Stop f*cking them.
 
2013-04-01 11:09:16 PM  

give me doughnut: Popular Opinion: give me doughnut: WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: When omebody i advocating omething that benefit ociety at large

A child crying on an airplane doe no harm to ociety.

Neither doe mothering the little maggot with apillow.

i've quieted fuy kid by pinning a pillow or book on my finger.
it memerize them, epecially if they can pick thing to pin, or you can pin thing on their finger.

/an otherwie uele talent

Doe memerizing them make it eaier to mother them with the pillow, or whacking them with the book?


of coure.
they will it abolutely till, completely focued on the pinning object, obliviou of any other threatening activity, including hijacking or imminent clobbering.
 
2013-04-01 11:09:39 PM  
By submitter's logic, none of us have the right to criticize the leader of any country as none of us are leaders of a country.

Nor should we criticize a horrible movie and likely we haven't directed a big name Hollywood movie.
 
2013-04-01 11:10:52 PM  
i can't say my esses (irl) and somebody must have found out, lol
 
2013-04-01 11:14:00 PM  
The best birth control in the world is--other peoples' kids.  But, seriously, I find most kids act OK in public, but those are the ones you don't really pay attention to.  It's the hellspawn from stupid parents who get noticed.

I used to know this couple who, for obvious reasons, I nicknamed Homer and Marge for their obnoxious parenting skills.  Homer and Marge would sit in a restaurant with dopey looks while their kids ran amok, grabbing other patrons' food, messing with the decor, and making life hell for the wait staff.  Worse yet, they'd leave without leaving even a dime as a tip.  Worse yet, whenever the kids were actually playing quietly, dumbass Homer would sneak up to one of the kids pretending to be a stalker, and then yell "Andy, I'm gonna kill you!!" which would leave the kid crying hysterically--yes, Homer thought this was funny.  Is it any wonder that their two sons were hyperactive hell-raisers and that the oldest one was nicknamed 'Demon'?  I haven't seen them in over 20 years, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that at least one of their two sons is institutionalized.

Another time I was on a cruise with the Parents from Hell.  These were asshole Type-A pricks who would actively encourage their three daughters, ages 6-10, to cut in front of the kids waiting in line for the water slide.  Even though this was on a huge cruise ship, everywhere you went on the boat, these hell monster kids were causing trouble.  One time, they were on top of the ship at Midnight--no parents around--and a guy admonished them for climbing around on dangerous equipment.  The three girls ran off giggling and yelling "Rape, rape, rape!", no doubt following their shiathead parents' advice to use a false rape accusation to get out of trouble.  Somehow, I picture these girls getting into serious trouble later in life with their rotten upbringing, maybe getting a teacher or boyfriend imprisoned on a false rape accusation.

And it's moronic, shiathead parents like that--admittedly a small percentage of all parents--who serve as a good argument that people should receive a license before they're allowed to breed...
 
2013-04-01 11:14:19 PM  
Bose noise canceling headphones are a godsend.

That is all.
 
2013-04-01 11:16:47 PM  
The article didnt seem very condenscending to me. You guys are sensitive. I have two kids and kids are assholes, thats life.
 
2013-04-01 11:19:59 PM  

cptjeff: There's a difference between a screaming baby in an open space where people can leave and a baby screaming for 10 hours in a tightly packed tube with no possibility of escape.

It's incredibly annoying. If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you- you don't get to make the lives


There is no possible way for a parent of a child under 3 to guarantee they aren't going to go on a crying jag (although not for 10 hours - a kid who cries for 10 hours needs to go to the emergency room, so I assumed you were exaggerating a hair there). What you are insisting is that kids aren't allowed to fly because they may cry, which you find annoying.
 
2013-04-01 11:20:28 PM  

arghyematey: Bose noise canceling headphones are a godsend.

That is all.


Stop.  You're trying to convince idiots that there may be a solution to finding peace for themselves when they'd rather just be right.  Hair is being pulled out, teeth are grinding, blood vessels are popping, bodies are dropping, life spans are shortening.  You're canceling out my Mozart.  Stop.
 
2013-04-01 11:20:55 PM  

cs30109: Popular Opinion: there are not that many other good reasons to be flying with an infant, other than you are too selfish to give up your desires for the consideration to others.

Hmmm...I'd say allowing parents to go about their lives is more of a priority than making sure you never get a little bit annoyed.

a toddler can be entertained...learn how. something that involves the child is best.
if you are not actively attempting to entertain your child and forcing others to "deal with it", you are a shiatty ignorant parent.

Actually, as anyone who has done it could tell you, an infant is far easier to fly with than a toddler.  Toddlers need a variety of entertainment and they get *extremely* antsy being cooped up in a seat.  Young infants, especially before they can crawl, only really need to eat and sleep, and maybe a simple toy or two to look at.


you left out my entire post so it doesn't necessarily make sense,
an infant cannot enjoy disney world yet, so flying with the infant is really not necessary in most cases (my point there),
you are taking the infant because you want to go someplace.
ime, and i have taken over 20 transatlantic flights,and countless shorter ones, is that if infants want to cry, there isn't really much you can do if they are fed and changed and burped. of course sedation is an option that many resist, so if there is a bathroom available...otherwise hope it stops.

toddlers who won't sit still  haven't properly learned to fear punishment.
you don't have to ever hurt a child, and long as they believe you will if they cross the line.
 
2013-04-01 11:23:20 PM  

arghyematey: Bose noise canceling headphones are a godsend.

That is all.


I wish that Bose would make an an asshole-cancelling virtual reality helmet.  It would make airplane trips, bus rides, and other public events a lot more tolerable...
 
2013-04-01 11:25:10 PM  

Popular Opinion: should you have to get over me taking a dump in your face?


Yeah, because that and a crying child are exactly the same thing, aren't they short bus?
 
2013-04-01 11:28:28 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Milo Minderbinder: Nana's Vibrator: Milo Minderbinder: Nana's Vibrator: cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.

And this is why most kids who fly do behave.  I warn my kids that people such as yourself are terrible people in that you condescend in an attempt to prove yourself to be better than a toddler.  And when my kids behave better than someone such as yourself, you are proven to be worse than a child.  We all remove our top hats and monocles and have a good laugh at your expense.  But alsa, as one of us checks our pocket watch, we notice it's time for tea.

I imagine your seven naked filthy house apes are shiating all over your trailer as you type half-witicisms on fark.

I'll let that ape comment go because I don't have a profile picture, ignorant f*ck.

Who needs a picture? I know a crappy parent when I see one.

All you see is rage when your surroundings aren't whatever it is to which you think you're entitled.  Keep living that way.  Always good to have people to laugh at.


It's not rage, it's pity, particularly when your baby-momma brings home Wild Turkey and breath mints in an obscene attempt to create another snot-nosed little bastard with you.
 
2013-04-01 11:30:02 PM  

arghyematey: Bose noise canceling headphones are a godsend.

That is all.


Foam ear plugs are a lot cheaper and do in a pinch (I always carry a handful to distribute if necessary; haven't had to yet).
 
2013-04-01 11:30:21 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: it has long been obvious that with little exception, those stupid enough  to get pregnant without planning to and stupid enough to birth an unplanned child are by far the least likely to actually be good parents.


Neither one of my kids were planned and I'm a damn good parent. My kids are smart, respectful, and well behaved (as well behaved as an 8 year old and a 6 year old can be, that is).

So you can kiss my big fat ass.
 
2013-04-01 11:30:43 PM  

cptjeff: Cagey B: I have a lot more sympathy for a three-month-old dealing with ear problems during a flight than I do for an overweight Aspie neckbeard whining about how they had to endure hearing something they didn't wish to for a few hours before moving on with their lives.

I have no problem with the 3 year old. I have major problems with the idiot adults who put it there.


What's endlessly fascinating about these arguments (beyond their base stupidity) is how they invariably devolve into "kids on planes" debate, as if airplanes were a sanctuary of Zen solitude and silent contemplation being destroyed by phalanxes of screaming kids and their Dr. No-inspired parents bent on global domination one LA-to-Chicago flight at a time.

If your peace of mind is so easily shattered it can be forever destroyed by a crying toddler whose ears are hurting from being at 35,000 feet for a few hours, then perhaps you need some intensive therapy at a remote and costly Malibu resort (I can provide a telephone number). As to the anecdotes of kids running amok like hijackers in training up and down the aisles, kicking seatbacks as if they were en route to NFL kickers' training camp and the rest, well, perhaps you fragile grownup snowflakes should spring for business class if you are experiencing such horrors on a routine basis. I and my family fly fairly regularly and have never encountered them. The same is true for the restaurants you apparently frequent and the shops you patronize: follow your own advice and go elsewhere if they are so filled with demonic children and Satanic parents.

There are, of course, bad parents and rotten kids. I'm not yet convinced they are as rampant as people's fears make them; much like terrorists and gun-grabbing liberals.
 
2013-04-01 11:31:15 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: If someone can't raise a kid that can (predictably - with exception) behave, they probably don't have the wherewithall to know that they shouldn't bring them onto a plane.


Hard to argue with that, unfortunately. I mentioned in some other thread recently that the biggest problem in society today is that a pretty huge chunk of us completely lack any self awareness, but sometimes when you make somebody uncomfortable, you force self examination. Sometimes that leads to realization. Sometimes, it just pisses people off and ossifies them. But there's not enough forthright discussion on some issues, and a pretty anonymous internet forum is a good place to put those things out there. If you change the way issues are discussed, you change how people think about them. And in that end, forceful and forthright advocacy in a public realm can be rather effective at changing a culture.
 
2013-04-01 11:35:05 PM  
We were all kids once. For the whiners who dont like kids that make noise, well its an unfortunate bit of business... that your parents had any.
 
2013-04-01 11:37:22 PM  
You know, the only problem with humanity is these little ones. If we get rid of them, we'll reduce our carbon footprint tremendously, preserving the Earth for future generations. Oh wait.
 
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