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2013-04-01 10:20:18 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Popular Opinion: Nana's Vibrator: lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.

If you replaced the word toddler with "drunk guy simulataneously belching and blasting out meat farts while blaring Nashville Country on his ipod", would you still find it unreasonable for people to find that not appropriate behavior for that environment?

Since it's the same exact thing, of course.

not exactly, but both are caused by rude, ignorant and inconsiderate adults.

Surely you're referring to the fact that it's inconsiderate to lie to a girl from Match.com about not being overweight and then surprising her with an all expenses paid meal at Schlonghorn.  Way to go, Ace.


you sound bitter.
i thought we had a good time.
 
2013-04-01 10:20:23 PM
It's not the kids who are annoying. It's their parents.
 
2013-04-01 10:20:36 PM

ZeroCorpse: It pains me that they pay this man to write. Especially when they're paying him to write about things about which he clearly hasn't the first clue or a jot of experience.


As an amateur writer I can tell you that if you can research a few facts and sling enough BS and know grammar well enough to not have to be thoroughly edited then you too can get paid to write.
 
2013-04-01 10:21:42 PM

cptjeff: You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting.


The owner of the plane determines what is appropriate for the setting, so you should just fly the airline that bans kids you should be fine. Whats that? No airline bans kids? Huh, that's odd. It's almost like the market of sensitive-eared self-important douchebags isn't big enough for even a single company to cater to.
 
2013-04-01 10:22:00 PM

lilplatinum: Nabb1:
You'll get over it. Well, normal people get over it.

You know whats more abnormal than people not getting over crying children in cramped confined spaces for hours at a time?  People who can't seem to get over the fact that some people find that unpleasant.


Of course it's unpleasant, but it's not a crime against humanity. Get over it. Flying sucks all around these days. TSA, overbooking, fees for everything, no peanuts. Sack up and deal with it.
 
2013-04-01 10:22:18 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Decanting


Yeah, that's where I stopped reading and taking this guy's opinion seriously.
 
2013-04-01 10:22:44 PM

Surpheon: namegoeshere: Surpheon: Sorta like how I can have an asthma attack if I'm on a plane with too many cats in the cabin

Is this a thing? Because I've flown with screamers and drunks and fatties and snort-laughers and perfumeatics and sweaty-smellies and overly-friendly-midwesterners but I don't think I've ever had a problem with too many cats in the cabin.

If you don't have an allergy, you probably won't even notice them. The carriers are mesh topped and sided duffel bags basically that fit under the seat, and I suspect they are usually pretty doped up. The owners usually have to pay a fee of $100 or something and they limit how many are allowed on a flight. If I draw a short stick and am too close to one, that's what my inhaler is for.


Oh. Huh, I've never noticed. (Not allergic) I had a siamese who, had I ever tried to fly with him, the rest of my section would be begging to switch seats with the guy next to the screaming baby. They can out scream a whole nursery, those siamese.
 
2013-04-01 10:23:44 PM

austin_millbarge: It can't be any worse than people with kids who love to play the "you don't know what it's like" card to anyone who doesn't have any. Congratufrkkinglations you've procreated just like a hundred billion people have before you. You're special.

/fark those people with a flaming pitchfork


THIS!

My wife wasn't able to conceive naturally and we struggled to have kids. My wife teaches preschool, we watch toddlers every Sunday and help her parents raise our two nieces. BUT, since we had not actually combined our own chromosomes, any mention of child-rearing practices would often bring a laugh and a thoughtless "you don't understand since you don't have kids".

Now that we have actual kids that we actually made with our actual floppy bits, our outlook hasn't changed and we have the same advice now as we did then. Meanwhile the shiatty parents with shiatty practices have raised bratty, entitled kids.
 
2013-04-01 10:24:16 PM

Surpheon: The owner of the plane determines what is appropriate for the setting,


You don't have the slightest clue, do you?
 
2013-04-01 10:24:38 PM

cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.


And this is why most kids who fly do behave.  I warn my kids that people such as yourself are terrible people in that you condescend in an attempt to prove yourself to be better than a toddler.  And when my kids behave better than someone such as yourself, you are proven to be worse than a child.  We all remove our top hats and monocles and have a good laugh at your expense.  But alsa, as one of us checks our pocket watch, we notice it's time for tea.
 
2013-04-01 10:24:51 PM

Nabb1: lilplatinum: Nabb1:
You'll get over it. Well, normal people get over it.

You know whats more abnormal than people not getting over crying children in cramped confined spaces for hours at a time?  People who can't seem to get over the fact that some people find that unpleasant.

Of course it's unpleasant, but it's not a crime against humanity. Get over it. Flying sucks all around these days. TSA, overbooking, fees for everything, no peanuts. Sack up and deal with it.


This is why I never flush or turn off the faucet after washing my hands if I happen to use a dirty bathroom.
 
2013-04-01 10:25:26 PM

rustypouch: There's sure a lot of defensive breeders in this thread.


And apparently at least one asshole who uses the term "breeders".
 
2013-04-01 10:26:15 PM

Pokey.Clyde: rustypouch: There's sure a lot of defensive breeders in this thread.

And apparently at least one asshole who uses the term "breeders".


Mad breeder alert!
 
2013-04-01 10:26:57 PM

profplump: Nadie_AZ: Until you actually raise one or are actively raising one

You can't expect anyone to take you seriously hen you're suggest that the one and only ay to become knoledgable about childrearing is to sit next to a child for a fe years. I'm not saying this guy is an expert, or even makes any sense, but the idea that becoming a parent someho imbues people ith parenting skills and knoledge, and therefore that people ithout children can have no such knoledge, is absurd.

Parents are notoriously blind to certain aspects of their relationships ith their on children in particular. For example, parents are almost universally unilling to see their on children as real people, rather than an extension of themselves, long past the point hen the rest of the orld recognizes the difference. Most parents have very little training in childrearing outside their on experiences, so they have limited perspective and experience on hich to model their behavior. And like any other relationship it's often difficult to evaluate objectively from the inside, so parents are poor judges of their on performance.

This guy might just be some childless blohard ith nothing useful to say. But categorically dismissing the opinion of everyone ithout a child at their hip hen discussing childrearing is just as ridiculous as dismissing the opinion of everyone not currently in a bus hen discussing public transportation. Everyone as once a child. The majority of people have been or ill be parents. And everyone is affected by the ay e raise children, even if they never directly participate.


Dude, are you writing this on a keyboard with a missing W?
 
2013-04-01 10:27:19 PM

Nabb1: Of course it's unpleasant, but it's not a crime against humanity. Get over it. Flying sucks all around these days. TSA, overbooking, fees for everything, no peanuts. Sack up and deal with it.


I fly 10+ times a year, so I do sack up and deal with it quite often.  I don't even complain on the plane even when some shiathead brings 2 small children into a business class flight from shanghai to nyc and lets them crawl around everywhere and vomit on my shoes, but I am still going to be bitter towards the people that take what is an unpleasant experience for everyone and selfishly make it worse for everyone around them.

Although the children in bars thing is an even bigger pet peeve since I could at least construct some hypothetical situation when a parent might have a justifiable reason to fly with a kid too young to control, it would take some creativity to construct such a scenario for strapping your kid on you to go to the farking local pub.
 
2013-04-01 10:27:44 PM

Sensei Can You See: It's not always a simple issue, though. When my son was 3 months old I was flying to Portland from Chicago with him after a Christmas visit. To avoid him having any discomfort with his ears popping, I did what I always did: Started him on a bottle when we started taxiing. That way he would be swallowing when we took off.

But then they postponed takeoff. I stopped feeding him but when we actually took off about 20 minutes later, he didn't want any more formula. About 10 minutes later he started screaming bloody murder as the pressure changed.

He screamed and cried for about 20 minutes, then suddenly belched loudly and almost instantly fell asleep.

During the screaming, though, I got lots of nasty looks from other passengers. Well, what the hell was I supposed to do? I wasn't ignoring him; I was comforting him and trying to get him to take some formula. But you can't spank a 3-month-old for bad behavior.


Sure, after all, flight delays only happen 27% of the time when departing O'Hare, so there was clearly no reason for you to plan for such an unlikely event. I'm sure that percentage was even lower during the holidays.

We were in the same situation with our 2-month-old in 1990, incidentally. WE DIDN'T FLY. So don't tell me how I don't understand.
 
2013-04-01 10:28:27 PM

Milo Minderbinder: Here's a rule for all the parents out there: if the restaurant has actual silverware, keep your little ankle-biters at home. Save your crappy parenting displays for McDonalds.


As a parent I would agree that children should be kept out of proper restaurants until they are at least four years old, and only then can they be brought along if the parent is absolutely sure of their behaviour. It's not such a great imposition to ask parents to stay at home (or get a babysitter) while children are in their formative years, which after all are going to pass quickly enough.
 
2013-04-01 10:28:48 PM

Nana's Vibrator: cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.

And this is why most kids who fly do behave.  I warn my kids that people such as yourself are terrible people in that you condescend in an attempt to prove yourself to be better than a toddler.  And when my kids behave better than someone such as yourself, you are proven to be worse than a child.  We all remove our top hats and monocles and have a good laugh at your expense.  But alsa, as one of us checks our pocket watch, we notice it's time for tea.


I don't have the slightest problem with kids who behave. Nobody does. If you think that making your kids behave somehow discredits my basic point of, "parents should teach their kids to behave or not bring them", you really should have your brain checked for tumors.
 
2013-04-01 10:29:08 PM

super_grass: Banned on the Run: super_grass: Banned on the Run: ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war how to fight a war.

This is fun an accurate analogy

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 242x209]

You have no right to judge!

When on the losing end of an argument, take it to the extreme.
Nice.

How's that extreme?

People here don't care about how you wipe you kid's ass or how you wash their hair.  They do care if you complete lose control and have them wreck havoc in cramped spaces.

Just like how we don't care what camo a solder wears, but rather how they treat the enemy or POWs.

You know, the serious things. Surely a simple analogy like that didn't go over your head.


Now I know you're just trolling.
Abuse of POW's is equivalent to child abuse, not a crying kid on a plane.
 
2013-04-01 10:29:09 PM

Nana's Vibrator: cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.

And this is why most kids who fly do behave.  I warn my kids that people such as yourself are terrible people in that you condescend in an attempt to prove yourself to be better than a toddler.  And when my kids behave better than someone such as yourself, you are proven to be worse than a child.  We all remove our top hats and monocles and have a good laugh at your expense.  But alsa, as one of us checks our pocket watch, we notice it's time for tea.


I imagine your seven naked filthy house apes are shiating all over your trailer as you type half-witicisms on fark.
 
2013-04-01 10:31:00 PM

Banned on the Run: super_grass: Banned on the Run: super_grass: Banned on the Run: ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war how to fight a war.

This is fun an accurate analogy

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 242x209]

You have no right to judge!

When on the losing end of an argument, take it to the extreme.
Nice.

How's that extreme?

People here don't care about how you wipe you kid's ass or how you wash their hair.  They do care if you complete lose control and have them wreck havoc in cramped spaces.

Just like how we don't care what camo a solder wears, but rather how they treat the enemy or POWs.

You know, the serious things. Surely a simple analogy like that didn't go over your head.

Now I know you're just trolling.
Abuse of POW's is equivalent to child abuse, not a crying kid on a plane.


They did "torture" prisoners at gitmo with annoying music.

So scratch "POW abuse" and replace it with "sound based enhanced interrogation".
 
2013-04-01 10:33:21 PM

cptjeff: Surpheon: The owner of the plane determines what is appropriate for the setting,

You don't have the slightest clue, do you?


Awwww, is someone unhappy that almost every airline in the world has deemed you a worthless market to cater to? (I think there is one asian airline that has banned kids in first class, but they don't fly to the US.)

You personal opinion of what is appropriate for the setting is based upon nothing but your sense of entitlement. My opinion is based upon what every airline in the United States supports.
 
2013-04-01 10:33:23 PM

dopekitty74: profplump: Nadie_AZ: Until you actually raise one or are actively raising one

You can't expect anyone to take you seriously hen you're suggest that the one and only ay to become knoledgable about childrearing is to sit next to a child for a fe years. I'm not saying this guy is an expert, or even makes any sense, but the idea that becoming a parent someho imbues people ith parenting skills and knoledge, and therefore that people ithout children can have no such knoledge, is absurd.

Parents are notoriously blind to certain aspects of their relationships ith their on children in particular. For example, parents are almost universally unilling to see their on children as real people, rather than an extension of themselves, long past the point hen the rest of the orld recognizes the difference. Most parents have very little training in childrearing outside their on experiences, so they have limited perspective and experience on hich to model their behavior. And like any other relationship it's often difficult to evaluate objectively from the inside, so parents are poor judges of their on performance.

This guy might just be some childless blohard ith nothing useful to say. But categorically dismissing the opinion of everyone ithout a child at their hip hen discussing childrearing is just as ridiculous as dismissing the opinion of everyone not currently in a bus hen discussing public transportation. Everyone as once a child. The majority of people have been or ill be parents. And everyone is affected by the ay e raise children, even if they never directly participate.

Dude, are you writing this on a keyboard with a missing W?


rofl

maybe he has a speech impediment and can't say his W's.
 
2013-04-01 10:34:11 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Milo Minderbinder: Here's a rule for all the parents out there: if the restaurant has actual silverware, keep your little ankle-biters at home. Save your crappy parenting displays for McDonalds.

As a parent I would agree that children should be kept out of proper restaurants until they are at least four years old, and only then can they be brought along if the parent is absolutely sure of their behaviour. It's not such a great imposition to ask parents to stay at home (or get a babysitter) while children are in their formative years, which after all are going to pass quickly enough.


My rule of thumb is that if the restaurant or pub stocks high chairs, I'll bring the kids.
 
2013-04-01 10:34:21 PM

Popular Opinion: dopekitty74: profplump: Nadie_AZ: Until you actually raise one or are actively raising one

You can't expect anyone to take you seriously hen you're suggest that the one and only ay to become knoledgable about childrearing is to sit next to a child for a fe years. I'm not saying this guy is an expert, or even makes any sense, but the idea that becoming a parent someho imbues people ith parenting skills and knoledge, and therefore that people ithout children can have no such knoledge, is absurd.

Parents are notoriously blind to certain aspects of their relationships ith their on children in particular. For example, parents are almost universally unilling to see their on children as real people, rather than an extension of themselves, long past the point hen the rest of the orld recognizes the difference. Most parents have very little training in childrearing outside their on experiences, so they have limited perspective and experience on hich to model their behavior. And like any other relationship it's often difficult to evaluate objectively from the inside, so parents are poor judges of their on performance.

This guy might just be some childless blohard ith nothing useful to say. But categorically dismissing the opinion of everyone ithout a child at their hip hen discussing childrearing is just as ridiculous as dismissing the opinion of everyone not currently in a bus hen discussing public transportation. Everyone as once a child. The majority of people have been or ill be parents. And everyone is affected by the ay e raise children, even if they never directly participate.

Dude, are you writing this on a keyboard with a missing W?

rofl

maybe he has a speech impediment and can't say his W's.


perhaps he was dictating
 
2013-04-01 10:34:54 PM

cptjeff: Mithiwithi: nd if an adult can't deal with a few screaming babies for a while

There's a difference between a screaming baby in an open space where people can leave and a baby screaming for 10 hours in a tightly packed tube with no possibility of escape.

It's incredibly annoying. If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you- you don't get to make the lives of 150 other people a living hell. Short and quickly hushed outbursts won't piss too many people off. But when you let your little grub drone on like an air raid siren, it should go with the checked baggage or not at all.

Here's the thing: your kid may be the most precious thing on the planet to you. But only to you. Think about it this way: if somebody bought a dog on board that seemed physically incapable of not barking, would you say that everybody else on the flight should suck it up? No, you'd be rooting for the plane to land and for the dog and its owner to be offloaded somewhere in rural kansas. That's how we feel about your kid. And you.


They have a right to travel in public.  Babies are a normal part of society and do not need to be hidden away until they're grown and perfectly behaved.  You do NOT have a right to never be annoyed by a baby.

How often can this possibly even happen to you?  On all the flights I've taken, I have NEVER seen a baby scream for 10 hours. In fact, I think the most has been 30 minutes to an hour of solid crying, tops.  The vast majority of flights I've been on had no crying at all (at least, none that was long enough or near enough for me to easily notice).  You need to just suck it up on the 5% of flights that have some extended crying by a baby.
 
2013-04-01 10:35:38 PM

Surpheon: cptjeff: Surpheon: The owner of the plane determines what is appropriate for the setting,

You don't have the slightest clue, do you?

Awwww, is someone unhappy that almost every airline in the world has deemed you a worthless market to cater to? (I think there is one asian airline that has banned kids in first class, but they don't fly to the US.)

You personal opinion of what is appropriate for the setting is based upon nothing but your sense of entitlement. My opinion is based upon what every airline in the United States supports.


So far, I have yet to see a single post advocating the banishment of all kids from airlines.

So take your strawman and don't go to restaurants or fly with them.
 
2013-04-01 10:35:45 PM

super_grass: Banned on the Run: super_grass: Banned on the Run: super_grass: Banned on the Run: ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war how to fight a war.

This is fun an accurate analogy

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 242x209]

You have no right to judge!

When on the losing end of an argument, take it to the extreme.
Nice.

How's that extreme?

People here don't care about how you wipe you kid's ass or how you wash their hair.  They do care if you complete lose control and have them wreck havoc in cramped spaces.

Just like how we don't care what camo a solder wears, but rather how they treat the enemy or POWs.

You know, the serious things. Surely a simple analogy like that didn't go over your head.

Now I know you're just trolling.
Abuse of POW's is equivalent to child abuse, not a crying kid on a plane.

They did "torture" prisoners at gitmo with annoying music.

So scratch "POW abuse" and replace it with "sound based enhanced interrogation".


And I can get over "sound based enhanced interrogation" too.
Both are an unpleasant but unavoidably necessary circumstance.
 
2013-04-01 10:36:22 PM

Milo Minderbinder: Nana's Vibrator: cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.

And this is why most kids who fly do behave.  I warn my kids that people such as yourself are terrible people in that you condescend in an attempt to prove yourself to be better than a toddler.  And when my kids behave better than someone such as yourself, you are proven to be worse than a child.  We all remove our top hats and monocles and have a good laugh at your expense.  But alsa, as one of us checks our pocket watch, we notice it's time for tea.

I imagine your seven naked filthy house apes are shiating all over your trailer as you type half-witicisms on fark.


I'll let that ape comment go because I don't have a profile picture, ignorant f*ck.
 
2013-04-01 10:36:54 PM

Surpheon: cptjeff: Surpheon: The owner of the plane determines what is appropriate for the setting,

You don't have the slightest clue, do you?

Awwww, is someone unhappy that almost every airline in the world has deemed you a worthless market to cater to? (I think there is one asian airline that has banned kids in first class, but they don't fly to the US.)

You personal opinion of what is appropriate for the setting is based upon nothing but your sense of entitlement. My opinion is based upon what every airline in the United States supports.


Since you really do seem to be that clueless, what's appropriate to the setting has absolutely nothing to do with what the airline says. It has to do with something called "social convention". The people who make forks don't tell you where to put them, but in certain settings there are pretty strictly kept rules about how to lay a place setting anyway.
 
2013-04-01 10:37:29 PM

Popular Opinion: .

Dude, are you writing this on a keyboard with a missing W?

rofl

maybe he has a speech impediment and can't say his W's.


Maybe he's still staging his own anti-Bush campaign
 
2013-04-01 10:37:48 PM

Banned on the Run: super_grass: Banned on the Run: super_grass: Banned on the Run: super_grass: Banned on the Run: ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war how to fight a war.

This is fun an accurate analogy

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 242x209]

You have no right to judge!

When on the losing end of an argument, take it to the extreme.
Nice.

How's that extreme?

People here don't care about how you wipe you kid's ass or how you wash their hair.  They do care if you complete lose control and have them wreck havoc in cramped spaces.

Just like how we don't care what camo a solder wears, but rather how they treat the enemy or POWs.

You know, the serious things. Surely a simple analogy like that didn't go over your head.

Now I know you're just trolling.
Abuse of POW's is equivalent to child abuse, not a crying kid on a plane.

They did "torture" prisoners at gitmo with annoying music.

So scratch "POW abuse" and replace it with "sound based enhanced interrogation".

And I can get over "sound based enhanced interrogation" too.
Both are an unpleasant but unavoidably necessary circumstance.


So you're a selfish authoritarian who sees nothing wrong with abusing others to reach your perceived ends?

Good to know.
 
2013-04-01 10:37:53 PM
If you cant get control of your six year old, good luck when they turn 16!
 
2013-04-01 10:38:21 PM
I bet anyone dollars to doughnuts that if/when the author of TFA has kids he will do most of the things he whines about and then possibly go on to write an article about how unfriendly the world is to parents.
 
2013-04-01 10:39:31 PM

Nadie_AZ: While I have no kids of my own, I have many I can (and sometimes do) lease for the weekend: 11 actual nieces and nephews, whom I'll be with this Easter Sunday, and perhaps twice that number of honorary ones. I have put in my time around tots and teens, and enjoy them. I have seen my share of parenting, and am not certain what to make of it.

Until you actually raise one or are actively raising one, your anecdotal 'I spent a Sunday holiday with them' means nothing to me or any other parent out there.

God what a horrible article.


Did you read it? You know, like the part where he asks why in the holy hell you're telling little Johnny he's farking Sammy Sosa when he can't hit the ball because life doesn't farking work that way so why are you teaching your special little snowflake that everyone is the same, there are no winners or losers, and that everyone will always be treated equally?

Clearly you didn't or you wouldn't be calling it horrible.

/my gut reaction was "WTF does this NYT childless jackass know?" But I read the article and he says shiat like, "hey, why are you teaching your kids how to fail at life and cry about it?"
 
2013-04-01 10:39:48 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Milo Minderbinder: Nana's Vibrator: cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.

And this is why most kids who fly do behave.  I warn my kids that people such as yourself are terrible people in that you condescend in an attempt to prove yourself to be better than a toddler.  And when my kids behave better than someone such as yourself, you are proven to be worse than a child.  We all remove our top hats and monocles and have a good laugh at your expense.  But alsa, as one of us checks our pocket watch, we notice it's time for tea.

I imagine your seven naked filthy house apes are shiating all over your trailer as you type half-witicisms on fark.

I'll let that ape comment go because I don't have a profile picture, ignorant f*ck.


Who needs a picture? I know a crappy parent when I see one.
 
2013-04-01 10:40:24 PM

Surpheon: cptjeff: Surpheon: The owner of the plane determines what is appropriate for the setting,

You don't have the slightest clue, do you?

Awwww, is someone unhappy that almost every airline in the world has deemed you a worthless market to cater to? (I think there is one asian airline that has banned kids in first class, but they don't fly to the US.)

You personal opinion of what is appropriate for the setting is based upon nothing but your sense of entitlement. My opinion is based upon what every airline in the United States supports.


While you're feeding happily off of the 1%er teat (which, yes, uses the cattle theory of customer "service"), ANY tipped employee would tell you that a screaming kid is detrimental to their sanity and income.  Guess what?  The waiter that brought you the high-chair is silently wishing you'd just leave, because once that baby starts whining, the tips start declining.
 
2013-04-01 10:41:30 PM

Surpheon: Awwww, is someone unhappy that almost every airline in the world has deemed you a worthless market to cater to?


Actually, as an aside, airlines don't cater to shiat because the free market doesn't work on airlines - aside from business travellers with frequent flier benefits the airlines have long since realized there is no such thing as customer loyalty and that people only give a fark about finding the cheapest ticket possible.  Its why they nickle and dime you for everything these days and why the quality of flying experience outside of companies like Emirates is consistently getting shiattier.
 
2013-04-01 10:42:35 PM

acekjd83: austin_millbarge: It can't be any worse than people with kids who love to play the "you don't know what it's like" card to anyone who doesn't have any. Congratufrkkinglations you've procreated just like a hundred billion people have before you. You're special.

/fark those people with a flaming pitchfork

THIS!

My wife wasn't able to conceive naturally and we struggled to have kids. My wife teaches preschool, we watch toddlers every Sunday and help her parents raise our two nieces. BUT, since we had not actually combined our own chromosomes, any mention of child-rearing practices would often bring a laugh and a thoughtless "you don't understand since you don't have kids".

Now that we have actual kids that we actually made with our actual floppy bits, our outlook hasn't changed and we have the same advice now as we did then. Meanwhile the shiatty parents with shiatty practices have raised bratty, entitled kids.


Congrats on being able to able to finally have your own kids I genuinely wish you luck on raising them.
 
2013-04-01 10:42:59 PM
i think the main point is
take your kids
have fun
but if the kid starts disturbing others
act immediately to remove the child until it can remain quiet.
"deal with it."
don't force others to "deal with it".

on an airplane?
with an infant, you should be attending to some medical emergence or going to a funeral. there are not that many other good reasons to be flying with an infant, other than you are too selfish to give up your desires for the consideration to others.
a toddler can be entertained...learn how. something that involves the child is best.
if you are not actively attempting to entertain your child and forcing others to "deal with it", you are a shiatty ignorant parent.
 
2013-04-01 10:43:20 PM

cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.


Cars are not practical for cross-country travel with a young kid.   Since all airlines allow kids, YOU are the one who will just have to deal with it.

Planes are for travel.  They aren't designed to provide you perfect peace and quiet towatch movies, or work on your laptop, or read books.  Those are nice diversions, but providing the perfect environment for your little activities isn't their purpose; their only purpose is to get you where you need to go.  Expecting never to be annoyed by a baby on group transportationis totally unreasonable.
 
2013-04-01 10:45:11 PM

cptjeff: Surpheon: cptjeff: Surpheon: The owner of the plane determines what is appropriate for the setting,

You don't have the slightest clue, do you?

Awwww, is someone unhappy that almost every airline in the world has deemed you a worthless market to cater to? (I think there is one asian airline that has banned kids in first class, but they don't fly to the US.)

You personal opinion of what is appropriate for the setting is based upon nothing but your sense of entitlement. My opinion is based upon what every airline in the United States supports.

Since you really do seem to be that clueless, what's appropriate to the setting has absolutely nothing to do with what the airline says. It has to do with something called "social convention". The people who make forks don't tell you where to put them, but in certain settings there are pretty strictly kept rules about how to lay a place setting anyway.


Your personal opinion of social convention is not shared by even a single airline. Boo-hoo, you're a delicate flower who can't deal with kids on planes. Since you clearly believe you, personally, are the center of the universe I can see how you might believe that makes it a social convention. But it's not.
 
2013-04-01 10:46:44 PM

cs30109: Cars are not practical for cross-country travel with a young kid.


They are perfectly practical for cross-country travel with a young kid, we did it every year for the first dozen years of our life.  They are also a lot more practical than a flying can that can't stop for a break whenever you feel it is necessary and to not punish hundreds of other people for your unwillingness to inconvenience yourself more than necessary.

Since all airlines allow kids, YOU are the one who will just have to deal with it.

Absolutely, it doesn't mean that we don't get to think people who force us to deal with it aren't shiatty.  Literally no one on this thread criticizing selfish parents has advocated changing actual rules to disallow them to do anything.
 
2013-04-01 10:46:58 PM
I must be the "toddler whisperer."  Because I roundhouse those crying biatches to the face.
 
2013-04-01 10:47:09 PM

Milo Minderbinder: Nana's Vibrator: Milo Minderbinder: Nana's Vibrator: cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.

And this is why most kids who fly do behave.  I warn my kids that people such as yourself are terrible people in that you condescend in an attempt to prove yourself to be better than a toddler.  And when my kids behave better than someone such as yourself, you are proven to be worse than a child.  We all remove our top hats and monocles and have a good laugh at your expense.  But alsa, as one of us checks our pocket watch, we notice it's time for tea.

I imagine your seven naked filthy house apes are shiating all over your trailer as you type half-witicisms on fark.

I'll let that ape comment go because I don't have a profile picture, ignorant f*ck.

Who needs a picture? I know a crappy parent when I see one.


All you see is rage when your surroundings aren't whatever it is to which you think you're entitled.  Keep living that way.  Always good to have people to laugh at.
 
2013-04-01 10:47:23 PM

Banned on the Run: And I can get over "sound based enhanced interrogation" too.


We'll just see about that.
 
2013-04-01 10:47:47 PM

cs30109: cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.

Cars are not practical for cross-country travel with a young kid.   Since all airlines allow kids, YOU are the one who will just have to deal with it.

Planes are for travel.  They aren't designed to provide you perfect peace and quiet towatch movies, or work on your laptop, or read books.  Those are nice diversions, but providing the perfect environment for your little activities isn't their purpose; their only purpose is to get you where you need to go.  Expecting never to be annoyed by a baby on group transportationis totally unreasonable.


You say "cars are not practical for cross-country travel with a young child." I read "I don't wish to be stuck in a car with my own child."
 
2013-04-01 10:49:00 PM
The first thing you learn about parenting is where to pick your battles.  It IS about negotiation- both of you are completely different individuals, and you have to learn how to live with each other.  If you become a dictator, your kid becomes resentful and more rebellious- if you're too lax, your kid runs all over you.  My 4-year old picks out her clothes most of the time, because I don't care if her socks don't match.  If we have to go somewhere special, then I pick out her clothes, or pick out two choices for her.  You just have to find the middle ground- and it doesn't always work, but no one is a perfect parent.

But I really should let this douche tell me what I'm doing wrong, because he seems to know everything.
 
2013-04-01 10:49:26 PM

Surpheon: cptjeff: Surpheon: cptjeff: Surpheon: The owner of the plane determines what is appropriate for the setting,

You don't have the slightest clue, do you?

Awwww, is someone unhappy that almost every airline in the world has deemed you a worthless market to cater to? (I think there is one asian airline that has banned kids in first class, but they don't fly to the US.)

You personal opinion of what is appropriate for the setting is based upon nothing but your sense of entitlement. My opinion is based upon what every airline in the United States supports.

Since you really do seem to be that clueless, what's appropriate to the setting has absolutely nothing to do with what the airline says. It has to do with something called "social convention". The people who make forks don't tell you where to put them, but in certain settings there are pretty strictly kept rules about how to lay a place setting anyway.

Your personal opinion of social convention is not shared by even a single airline. Boo-hoo, you're a delicate flower who can't deal with kids on planes. Since you clearly believe you, personally, are the center of the universe I can see how you might believe that makes it a social convention. But it's not.


http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/06/02/3-year-old-kicked-off-airplane-f or -crying/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1772347/posts
http://www.thestar.com/life/parent/2013/03/18/familys_travel_nightma re _a_cautionary_tale_for_parents_flying_with_children.html

Airlines will tolerate you if you give them money, but they like everyone else have a limit. Consider yourself warned.
 
2013-04-01 10:49:29 PM

Surpheon: Your personal opinion of social convention is not shared by even a single airline.


You really don't realize how stupid this makes you sound, do you? Not every social convention is enforced by an outside body. There's no dress code police that will drum you out of the room if you show up to meet the President in jorts and a wife beater. But some of us had parents that taught us that you are expected to act in certain ways in certain settings. You know, manners. Actually, I doubt that you do.
 
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