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2013-04-01 10:00:43 PM  
I think it's funny when people say "You don't know what it's like until you have a child of your own".

That's is a complete bullshiat copout.

I used to be child. I know exactly what it's like.
 
2013-04-01 10:00:45 PM  

super_grass: Neither does money laundering.


Well except for covering up criminal activity, sure.
 
2013-04-01 10:01:19 PM  

namegoeshere: Surpheon: Sorta like how I can have an asthma attack if I'm on a plane with too many cats in the cabin

Is this a thing? Because I've flown with screamers and drunks and fatties and snort-laughers and perfumeatics and sweaty-smellies and overly-friendly-midwesterners but I don't think I've ever had a problem with too many cats in the cabin.


I'm imagining a snakes on a plane scenario with cats instead of snakes.

Somehow, it's not very scary.
 
2013-04-01 10:01:44 PM  

Banned on the Run: super_grass: Banned on the Run: ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war how to fight a war.

This is fun an accurate analogy

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You have no right to judge!

When on the losing end of an argument, take it to the extreme.
Nice.


How's that extreme?

People here don't care about how you wipe you kid's ass or how you wash their hair.  They do care if you complete lose control and have them wreck havoc in cramped spaces.

Just like how we don't care what camo a solder wears, but rather how they treat the enemy or POWs.

You know, the serious things. Surely a simple analogy like that didn't go over your head.
 
2013-04-01 10:01:49 PM  
My wife and I are Sunday school "teachers" for kids who can walk but aren't yet 2. There is no actual teaching (which is good since I'm not religious) since they're toddlers, but there is a routine and there is no tolerance for BAD behavior. Kids will be kids but even 1 year olds most can learn manners and that hitting and stealing are wrong.

Parents come to pick up their kids and are astounded to see 15 one year olds sitting quietly on a mat, eating snack, and politely asking for more. It's amazing how quickly kids learn that sitting and saying  "peez" or rubbing their chest (please in sign language) will earn them an animal cracker while screaming or getting up means they're done with snack. Obviously there's a learning curve where it takes a bit for the connection to be made, but DAMN if it isn't rewarding to say "SNACK TIME" and have a dozen kids instantly drop their toys and run to the corner and sit quietly to wait their turn for food.

We taught toddlers for years before we had our own. We considered this not only practice but also paying it forward to the people who would eventually watch our own crotchfruit. We saw our friends and complete strangers raising their kids and saw how the kids behaved with and without the parents. We didn't have kids of our own but we learned what works and what doesn't, at least for toddlers. GUESS WHAT? The things we said we'd do before we had kids are pretty much the same things we do now that we have them. Most of the time it works and people compliment us on our well-behaved kids.

Our only guiding principle is consistency. We don't know if what we're doing is always right, but if we say we're going to do something we follow through. If you got in trouble for something last week you will still get in trouble for it next week.
 
2013-04-01 10:02:00 PM  

cptjeff: Slartibartfaster: cptjeff: If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you

hypocrite
Ill TRY to get my kids to shut up, but sometimes it is not easy (usually on take off and landing when they have pressure issues and are in pain)
I don't care how inconvenient it is for you - get farking used to it, or DON'T FLY !! (see how that works asswipe ?)

How articulate.


Nabb1: Yes, because of all the things keeping us from achieving a utopian society, kids crying on airplanes is the one that's really holding us back.

With a brain like that, you should definitely breed. As much as possible.

Because after the zombie apocalypse, we're gonna need people who we don't feel too guilty about feeding to the hordes to give everyone else time to escape.


My, you seem really well-adjusted.
 
2013-04-01 10:02:13 PM  
If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.
 
2013-04-01 10:02:20 PM  
 
2013-04-01 10:02:25 PM  
Actually flying with a personal air supply sounds like a great idea for lots of reasons.

(Not these guys tho):
assets.rollingstone.com
 
2013-04-01 10:03:33 PM  

WhyteRaven74: super_grass: Neither does money laundering.

Well except for covering up criminal activity, sure.


And a screaming toddler does nothing aside from making others' lives more stressful and sleep-deprived.

But yeah, there's nothing bad with crying kids.
 
2013-04-01 10:04:36 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Popular Opinion: Gwendolyn: Why let your kids pick out what to wear themselves? Because it doesn't really freaking matter what a young kid wears and it is an easy way  them develop self-efficacy. Why you would fight a kid over what they want to put on is the part that makes no sense.

if you raise your child properly, there would be no fight.
you as the parent make those decisions unless you specifically give them a choice. period.

You obviously never met a teenager or a toddler in your life.

/one teen
//two preteens
///gray hair, what's left of it


i have raised a wonderful child who has never been in trouble...
and is an honor student (although i lack a bumper sticker), and want to be a vet.

of course eventually they get to choose what to wear, but not when they are "young kids or crying on airplanes.
they can choose which garanimals they wear...this is not the same thing as letting a child decide what they want to wear.
 
2013-04-01 10:05:03 PM  

profplump: Nadie_AZ: Until you actually raise one or are actively raising one

You can't expect anyone to take you seriously hen you're suggest that the one and only ay to become knoledgable about childrearing is to sit next to a child for a fe years. I'm not saying this guy is an expert, or even makes any sense, but the idea that becoming a parent someho imbues people ith parenting skills and knoledge, and therefore that people ithout children can have no such knoledge, is absurd.

Parents are notoriously blind to certain aspects of their relationships ith their on children in particular. For example, parents are almost universally unilling to see their on children as real people, rather than an extension of themselves, long past the point hen the rest of the orld recognizes the difference. Most parents have very little training in childrearing outside their on experiences, so they have limited perspective and experience on hich to model their behavior. And like any other relationship it's often difficult to evaluate objectively from the inside, so parents are poor judges of their on performance.

This guy might just be some childless blohard ith nothing useful to say. But categorically dismissing the opinion of everyone ithout a child at their hip hen discussing childrearing is just as ridiculous as dismissing the opinion of everyone not currently in a bus hen discussing public transportation. Everyone as once a child. The majority of people have been or ill be parents. And everyone is affected by the ay e raise children, even if they never directly participate.


Your w is broken. Thought you might like to know.
 
2013-04-01 10:05:25 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.


If you replaced the word toddler with "drunk guy simulataneously belching and blasting out meat farts while blaring Nashville Country on his ipod", would you still find it unreasonable for people to find that not appropriate behavior for that environment?
 
2013-04-01 10:05:28 PM  

super_grass: WhyteRaven74: super_grass: Neither does money laundering.

Well except for covering up criminal activity, sure.

And a screaming toddler does nothing aside from making others' lives more stressful and sleep-deprived.

But yeah, there's nothing bad with crying kids.


You'll get over it. Well, normal people get over it.
 
2013-04-01 10:06:14 PM  
Threads like these convince me that we all have no future.
 
2013-04-01 10:06:15 PM  

acekjd83: My wife and I are Sunday school "teachers" for kids who can walk but aren't yet 2. There is no actual teaching (which is good since I'm not religious) since they're toddlers, but there is a routine and there is no tolerance for BAD behavior. Kids will be kids but even 1 year olds most can learn manners and that hitting and stealing are wrong.

Parents come to pick up their kids and are astounded to see 15 one year olds sitting quietly on a mat, eating snack, and politely asking for more. It's amazing how quickly kids learn that sitting and saying  "peez" or rubbing their chest (please in sign language) will earn them an animal cracker while screaming or getting up means they're done with snack. Obviously there's a learning curve where it takes a bit for the connection to be made, but DAMN if it isn't rewarding to say "SNACK TIME" and have a dozen kids instantly drop their toys and run to the corner and sit quietly to wait their turn for food.

We taught toddlers for years before we had our own. We considered this not only practice but also paying it forward to the people who would eventually watch our own crotchfruit. We saw our friends and complete strangers raising their kids and saw how the kids behaved with and without the parents. We didn't have kids of our own but we learned what works and what doesn't, at least for toddlers. GUESS WHAT? The things we said we'd do before we had kids are pretty much the same things we do now that we have them. Most of the time it works and people compliment us on our well-behaved kids.

Our only guiding principle is consistency. We don't know if what we're doing is always right, but if we say we're going to do something we follow through. If you got in trouble for something last week you will still get in trouble for it next week.


This is something church is good for - providing child rearing templates so you don't have to make all the rookie mistakes (or the ones your parents did).
 
2013-04-01 10:06:17 PM  

aevorea: It just amazes me how so many parents nowadays raise their kids to be rude and selfish, and how many parents expect the general population to just politely deal with it.


The real problem is the narcissism and solipsism of the parents, who regrettably share these same traits with many other people in the general population, including many of those who are childless. The unfortunate knock-on effect is that non- parents who witness the bad behaviour of the solipsists' kids will be deterred from having children of their own because they fear that their own offspring will also turn out to be little monsters, even though well- brought- up children -- by contrast -- bring great pleasure and hope to others and are a great source of happiness for their parents.
 
2013-04-01 10:06:19 PM  

cptjeff: namegoeshere: Surpheon: Sorta like how I can have an asthma attack if I'm on a plane with too many cats in the cabin

Is this a thing? Because I've flown with screamers and drunks and fatties and snort-laughers and perfumeatics and sweaty-smellies and overly-friendly-midwesterners but I don't think I've ever had a problem with too many cats in the cabin.

I'm imagining a snakes on a plane scenario with cats instead of snakes.

Somehow, it's not very scary.


I have had it with these motherfarking CATS on this motherfarking PLANE...
 
2013-04-01 10:07:03 PM  

Nabb1: super_grass: WhyteRaven74: super_grass: Neither does money laundering.

Well except for covering up criminal activity, sure.

And a screaming toddler does nothing aside from making others' lives more stressful and sleep-deprived.

But yeah, there's nothing bad with crying kids.

You'll get over it. Well, normal people get over it.


Normal people should also get over me mowing the lawn at 9am on a Saturday.

Too bad it ain't happening.
 
2013-04-01 10:07:07 PM  

lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.

If you replaced the word toddler with "drunk guy simulataneously belching and blasting out meat farts while blaring Nashville Country on his ipod", would you still find it unreasonable for people to find that not appropriate behavior for that environment?


Normal people hold grown-ups to different standards than toddlers.
 
2013-04-01 10:07:44 PM  

lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.

If you replaced the word toddler with "drunk guy simulataneously belching and blasting out meat farts while blaring Nashville Country on his ipod", would you still find it unreasonable for people to find that not appropriate behavior for that environment?


Since it's the same exact thing, of course.
 
2013-04-01 10:07:56 PM  

Babbs: You have set, my dear, something they call BOUNDARIES. Even at 2, she understands that mom and dad aren't going to run into the room and get me everytime I whine a little. But she also knows that if push comes to shove, mom and dad will be there for her. This is how awesome adults are made. Parenting, you're doing it right.


Thanks. No idea how I managed to do it right. Probably because I never read any parenting books and stay away from any baby raising forums.

I will be there for her if she is having a fit...and they do happen. But she gets over it quite quickly.

I think the best thing I did was when she started to get mobile is not making any fall into a big deal, but rather just say boom. Now she just says boom and gets right back up.

But she is only 2 I know I have more challenges to face.
 
2013-04-01 10:08:32 PM  
Nabb1:
You'll get over it. Well, normal people get over it.

You know whats more abnormal than people not getting over crying children in cramped confined spaces for hours at a time?  People who can't seem to get over the fact that some people find that unpleasant.
 
2013-04-01 10:08:44 PM  
Even though I don't have children, I am capable of knowing something about parenting.

For example, if we're on an airplane and your kid is kicking the back of my seat, responding with pleading "daddy would really like it if you stopped kicking that seat" is not going to work. And you should be able to observe that it's not working instead of just saying it over and over. And don't give me a dirty look when I get up and tell your  precious snowflake to stop kicking my seat.

Here's another example. If your child is running around the restaurant,yelling and bumping into other people's tables and then pulls down her pants and starts peeing on the floor and you don't notice because your back is turned, that's lousy parenting.

I can tell the difference between people who are trying to control their children or keep them amused and people who aren't. I'll try to help the ones that are trying. A three month-old crying baby on an airplane is annoying as anything, but I also understand that there isn't a lot you can do.

And you may be immune to your kid crying and screaming but you should still realize and understand that others aren't used to it. I volunteer at an animal shelter and occasionally someone will comment on the noise. I briefly think "what noise, what's wrong?" and then realize they're talking about the regular barking. See how that works, parents? I'm used to the noise but I understand that other people aren't.
 
2013-04-01 10:08:47 PM  

skantea: I Don't have kids either, and that guy is 100% correct.


Hell, I *DO* have kids and I agree with a lot of what he said, and he didn't seem at all douchebaggy,
 
2013-04-01 10:08:52 PM  
MadAzza:

Article is dead-on. Suck it, child spoilers.

I just pictured a child with a car spoiler.
 
2013-04-01 10:09:28 PM  
Here's a rule for all the parents out there: if the restaurant has actual silverware, keep your little ankle-biters at home. Save your crappy parenting displays for McDonalds.
 
2013-04-01 10:09:43 PM  
It can't be any worse than people with kids who love to play the "you don't know what it's like" card to anyone who doesn't have any. Congratufrkkinglations you've procreated just like a hundred billion people have before you. You're special.

/fark those people with a flaming pitchfork
 
2013-04-01 10:09:57 PM  

Gig103: Sensei Can You See: During the screaming, though, I got lots of nasty looks from other passengers. Well, what the hell was I supposed to do?

Ideally, you stay home with a 3 month old and tell your family to visit you.


The same thing can happen to a kid all the way through toddler ages.  If anything, having done it multiple times, very small babies are easier to handle on planes than toddlers.  What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?  That's not a reasonable expectation.  Some of you people may just have to put up with an hour of crying on a flight every now and then.  It won't kill you.
 
2013-04-01 10:10:28 PM  
Nabb1: Normal people hold grown-ups to different standards than toddlers.

I agree, one of those standards is knowing which places are appropriate to take a toddler to.
 
2013-04-01 10:11:07 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war.

This is fun...


It takes a village, until there's criticism.
 
2013-04-01 10:11:25 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.

If you replaced the word toddler with "drunk guy simulataneously belching and blasting out meat farts while blaring Nashville Country on his ipod", would you still find it unreasonable for people to find that not appropriate behavior for that environment?

Since it's the same exact thing, of course.


not exactly, but both are caused by rude, ignorant and inconsiderate adults.
 
2013-04-01 10:12:00 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: Here's a rule for all the parents out there: if the restaurant has actual silverware, keep your little ankle-biters at home. Save your crappy parenting displays for McDonalds.


That part where you grit your teeth and can't enjoy your meal...makes a parent's meal that much more enjoyable.  Get a job and go to a good restaurant, welfare boy.
 
2013-04-01 10:13:36 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Milo Minderbinder: Here's a rule for all the parents out there: if the restaurant has actual silverware, keep your little ankle-biters at home. Save your crappy parenting displays for McDonalds.

That part where you grit your teeth and can't enjoy your meal...makes a parent's meal that much more enjoyable.  Get a job and go to a good restaurant, welfare boy.


Restaurants with actual silverware sets aren't good ones?

Shouldn't you 1%ers be able to afford nannies?
 
2013-04-01 10:14:05 PM  

Popular Opinion: Nana's Vibrator: lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.

If you replaced the word toddler with "drunk guy simulataneously belching and blasting out meat farts while blaring Nashville Country on his ipod", would you still find it unreasonable for people to find that not appropriate behavior for that environment?

Since it's the same exact thing, of course.

not exactly, but both are caused by rude, ignorant and inconsiderate adults.


Surely you're referring to the fact that it's inconsiderate to lie to a girl from Match.com about not being overweight and then surprising her with an all expenses paid meal at Schlonghorn.  Way to go, Ace.
 
2013-04-01 10:14:06 PM  

Donnchadha: I don't care if you're a 50 year old childcare professional with 25 years of experience dealing with hundreds of children, just none of them your own. I'm a 16 year girl who got teen pregnant and that makes me infinitely more mature and responsible than you.


In your dreams, child.
 
2013-04-01 10:14:06 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.

If you replaced the word toddler with "drunk guy simulataneously belching and blasting out meat farts while blaring Nashville Country on his ipod", would you still find it unreasonable for people to find that not appropriate behavior for that environment?

Since it's the same exact thing, of course.


You argued that people should not get annoyed with parents who bring screaming children to restaurants because it has nothing to do with you.   By your same logic, you shouldn't ever get annoyed at any adult who acts drunk, loud, or obnoxious in public because it has nothing to do with you.
 
2013-04-01 10:14:19 PM  

cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?


See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.
 
2013-04-01 10:14:21 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Milo Minderbinder: Here's a rule for all the parents out there: if the restaurant has actual silverware, keep your little ankle-biters at home. Save your crappy parenting displays for McDonalds.

That part where you grit your teeth and can't enjoy your meal...makes a parent's meal that much more enjoyable.  Get a job and go to a good restaurant, welfare boy.


That's why no one wants to be near you.
 
2013-04-01 10:15:32 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: That part where you grit your teeth and can't enjoy your meal...makes a parent's meal that much more enjoyable


One thing I've noticed is that people who go out a lot tend to have better behaved kids than those who don't go out a lot. And when I say better behaved I mean just a bit quieter or what have you, not some stark night and day difference. Course if you think about it, it does make sense. The kids that are going out, wherever it is, a bunch are just used to things, whereas the kids that don't end up being flooded with a ton of stimuli and just having a hard time dealing with it. Course that also brings up that these days it's harder for parents to take their kids out a lot owing to how many hours some people work now and stagnant incomes.
 
2013-04-01 10:15:49 PM  

lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.

If you replaced the word toddler with "drunk guy simulataneously belching and blasting out meat farts while blaring Nashville Country on his ipod", would you still find it unreasonable for people to find that not appropriate behavior for that environment?

Since it's the same exact thing, of course.

You argued that people should not get annoyed with parents who bring screaming children to restaurants because it has nothing to do with you.   By your same logic, you shouldn't ever get annoyed at any adult who acts drunk, loud, or obnoxious in public because it has nothing to do with you.


And I said "since it's the same exact thing, of course."  Jesus Christ I hope the restaurant you go to has pictures on their menus.
 
2013-04-01 10:16:08 PM  

cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?


YES. A lot f people fly a hell of a lot less often. You might have heard this whole thing about making sacrifices in order to have kids.
 
2013-04-01 10:16:15 PM  

noitsnot: Actually flying with a personal air supply sounds like a great idea for lots of reasons.

(Not these guys tho):
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I never knew Jeff Daniels was in Air Supply.
 
2013-04-01 10:16:23 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: Here's a rule for all the parents out there: if the restaurant has actual silverware, keep your little ankle-biters at home. Save your crappy parenting displays for McDonalds.


Not bad.
 
2013-04-01 10:16:40 PM  
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2013-04-01 10:17:21 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.

If you replaced the word toddler with "drunk guy simulataneously belching and blasting out meat farts while blaring Nashville Country on his ipod", would you still find it unreasonable for people to find that not appropriate behavior for that environment?

Since it's the same exact thing, of course.

You argued that people should not get annoyed with parents who bring screaming children to restaurants because it has nothing to do with you.   By your same logic, you shouldn't ever get annoyed at any adult who acts drunk, loud, or obnoxious in public because it has nothing to do with you.

And I said "since it's the same exact thing, of course."  Jesus Christ I hope the restaurant you go to has pictures on their menus.


For analogies to work, the two things have to be identical, of course.

Your post makes as much sense as your post.
 
2013-04-01 10:17:31 PM  

Nabb1: super_grass: WhyteRaven74: super_grass: Neither does money laundering.

Well except for covering up criminal activity, sure.

And a screaming toddler does nothing aside from making others' lives more stressful and sleep-deprived.

But yeah, there's nothing bad with crying kids.

You'll get over it. Well, normal people get over it.


why should have to get over it?
should you have to get over me taking a dump in your face?
of course not, and i am not going to do that and make you get over it. that would be rude.

so do not force me to get over anything and we are fine.

sometimes people's kids act up.
it's life.
if you have one that does, get up and remove the child immediately.
 
2013-04-01 10:17:45 PM  

cptjeff: cs30109: What are you supposed to do, stay home for 3 years and never fly anywhere?

See, there are these things known as "cars". They are sized so one family unit can travel in them, making whatever noises they please, without disturbing other people.

You are expected to act appropriately to the setting. If you child is not capable of acting appropriately in that setting, you should not be bringing them into that setting. Inconvenient for you? Tough. You're the one who made the decision to have the kid.


I knew there was a reason your posts all show up as bright green in my browser.
 
2013-04-01 10:17:50 PM  

namegoeshere: Surpheon: Sorta like how I can have an asthma attack if I'm on a plane with too many cats in the cabin

Is this a thing? Because I've flown with screamers and drunks and fatties and snort-laughers and perfumeatics and sweaty-smellies and overly-friendly-midwesterners but I don't think I've ever had a problem with too many cats in the cabin.


If you don't have an allergy, you probably won't even notice them. The carriers are mesh topped and sided duffel bags basically that fit under the seat, and I suspect they are usually pretty doped up. The owners usually have to pay a fee of $100 or something and they limit how many are allowed on a flight. If I draw a short stick and am too close to one, that's what my inhaler is for.
 
2013-04-01 10:20:18 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Popular Opinion: Nana's Vibrator: lilplatinum: Nana's Vibrator: If you don't like a toddler screaming in the restaurant - not YOUR restaurant - you should probably stay home.  Because if you can't tolerate something that has nothing to do with you, you were probably raised worse than him.  And he doesn't like intolerant jerks in his favorite restaurant.

If you replaced the word toddler with "drunk guy simulataneously belching and blasting out meat farts while blaring Nashville Country on his ipod", would you still find it unreasonable for people to find that not appropriate behavior for that environment?

Since it's the same exact thing, of course.

not exactly, but both are caused by rude, ignorant and inconsiderate adults.

Surely you're referring to the fact that it's inconsiderate to lie to a girl from Match.com about not being overweight and then surprising her with an all expenses paid meal at Schlonghorn.  Way to go, Ace.


you sound bitter.
i thought we had a good time.
 
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