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2013-04-01 09:36:18 PM

No_Good_Name: Does he really think any of what he is saying is new or edgy?  This has been done to death since at least dr. Spock first published.


No, it's an inflammatory fake article written to get people bent out of shape and posting lots of comments so that they see lots of the site's advertisements.  Geez.
 
2013-04-01 09:36:39 PM

walkingtall: Arthur Jumbles: Why are the other people assholes because they are annoyed by someone's screaming child?

Hate to tell ya...but that pretty much does make you an asshole. Put on some headphones and ignore it or offer to help or give comfort to what are probably very stressed parents. And even if those parents are the rare ones who really are as bad as you think they may be, do the best you can get off the plane and go on with your life. THAT would mean you arent an asshole. Im guessing you would go with option B though.


The parents are being rude and inconsiderate. Everybody knows that babies don't handle flying well, that's why you don't fly with babies. If you fly a 3 month old around during the holidays to show him off to all the family that just shows you care more about your own selfish desires than the other people around you or the comfort and happiness of your own baby, for that matter.
 
2013-04-01 09:37:17 PM
The article didn't seem extraordinarily over the top. What's missing, though, is real insight. It's really, really easy to notice misbehaving kids and parents making mistakes. Some parents will learn what works and what doesn't, others won't.

Here's the rub: there are great parents who still can have kids that are crappy. Some parents get lucky with pretty easy kids that don't get in trouble. There are a ton of factors in the dynamics between parents and kids, and it never works out perfectly because we're all imperfect.

Most people know after they've screwed up. The hard part is making more good decisions in the moment, when you don't have time to prepare. When you're tired and have had a long day and you're hungry and irritable.
 
2013-04-01 09:37:19 PM

Cagey B: I have a lot more sympathy for a three-month-old dealing with ear problems during a flight than I do for an overweight Aspie neckbeard whining about how they had to endure hearing something they didn't wish to for a few hours before moving on with their lives.


And THIS is what I have been meaning to say in the first place. I'm not as eloquent as you.
 
2013-04-01 09:37:32 PM

super_grass: Cagey B: I have a lot more sympathy for a three-month-old dealing with ear problems during a flight than I do for an overweight Aspie neckbeard whining about how they had to endure hearing something they didn't wish to for a few hours before moving on with their lives.

I like how you're making the same types of assumptions as the author, but that makes you better than him somehow.

Let me guess, bad parent?


Nope. My kids are courteous, respectful, and will grow up able to read a thread before posting on the internet and embarrassing themselves. Remind me to donate a little more to literacy outreach efforts this year in whatever area you're from.
 
2013-04-01 09:37:38 PM

cptjeff: Mithiwithi: nd if an adult can't deal with a few screaming babies for a while

There's a difference between a screaming baby in an open space where people can leave and a baby screaming for 10 hours in a tightly packed tube with no possibility of escape.

It's incredibly annoying. If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you- you don't get to make the lives of 150 other people a living hell. Short and quickly hushed outbursts won't piss too many people off. But when you let your little grub drone on like an air raid siren, it should go with the checked baggage or not at all.



Are you kidding me? Wow. It must be great to have a life that is so comfortable and easy that a child crying near you is "a living hell".

And you call them snowflakes.
 
2013-04-01 09:37:50 PM
This is just one of the many situations in life where we have to try to apply the Golden Mean and find the sweet spot between two extremes. Yes, people should have a reasonable expectation not to be bothered by the misbehaviour of others' kids, but at the same time they should be forebearing when it comes to situations that the parents obviously have no control over (such as a colicky baby crying). Context is everything.
 
2013-04-01 09:38:16 PM

cptjeff: Making everybody else's life a living hell because of your shortcomings does not make you a good person.


Yes because you can't be arsed to not insist the world revolve around you for a few hours.
 
2013-04-01 09:38:29 PM

Surpheon: Moopy Mac: So in other words, your kids have carte blanche to annoy others?

No, they just have as much right as you do. I've been far more annoyed by drunk 20-somethings laughing like hyenas on a plane than a kid crying, but both have carte blanche to be their annoying selves. I don't know what your mom taught you, but mine taught me that tolerating others is part of living in society.


Wow, so much THIS.
 
2013-04-01 09:38:33 PM

Nabb1: solitary: Abortions and contraception should be free at every drug store.
Women who get abortions should receive a thank you note from the planet.

Can you email me your mother's address in case she decides to have a retroactive abortion? I'd like to send flowers.


I LOVE KIDS.  I just don't think everybody should have them.  I'm one of the parents the guy in the article hates, I give my kids choices and act all patient and shiat.
 
2013-04-01 09:39:00 PM
May be a condescending urban douchebag, but not having children doesn't prevent one from knowing better than some people who do, any more than a research scientist needs to injecthimself with Drug X to study its effect on people.

It's a little thing called "observation" and, over time, it enables you to realize who the shiatty parents are, and why.
In exactly the same way that without any training whatsoever, I can tell when my doctor, tailor, mechanic, plumber, carpenter, butcher, etc. is doing something completely wrong.
I've never done it myself but I've seen it done, so now I'm an expert.
You know, it could be that we don't care what you think, you judgmental douche.
 
2013-04-01 09:39:48 PM
I don't have children, but I do deal with them on a daily basis (teenagers during school hours and K-12 during the after-school / before dinner hours). The after-school hours are in the Children's Room at a public library.

One thing that annoys me is parents who think the Children's Room is a playground and allow their children to run, scream, and climb on the furniture, all while the parent is sitting in an armchair and updating Facebook on their phones. The parent ignores their child while he or she is destroying the room, but immediately glares at me if I remind the parent (and child) of the rules of the Children's Room. And gods forbid if the child trips while motoring around the room - it is, of course, my fault that the damn kid tripped over their own two feet.

Also frustrating is when the parents see that their kids are playing with the Library's toys ( wooden blocks, the giant Lego blocks, trains etc), see that their kids haven't cleaned up their mess ... and then leave the library. The parent doesn't ask the kid to clean up after themselves and doesn't even clean up after the kid. It's even more disgusting when the kid 'messes' on the floor, loudly declares that they made a mess ... and the parent does nothing about it. If the kid took a dump on their own living room floor, does the parent just walk around it until a 'lesser person' swoops in to clean it up?

It just amazes me how so many parents nowadays raise their kids to be rude and selfish, and how many parents expect the general population to just politely deal with it. I won't be grumpy at a kid who's screeching due to a health problem (earache, for example) or being late for a nap, and the parent is actively trying to soothe the kid; but I will be grumpy at the parents who are allowing their kid to destroy a public place by not disciplining their kid.
 
2013-04-01 09:40:31 PM
I am not having kids. When people ask me why not I say "would you rather I not have kids, or have kids and possibly be a terrible parent?"
Usually they shut up after that.

As for your kids, as long ass they're not screaming fit to bust my eardrums, carry on.

/sterilized
 
2013-04-01 09:40:39 PM

namegoeshere: cptjeff: Mithiwithi: nd if an adult can't deal with a few screaming babies for a while

There's a difference between a screaming baby in an open space where people can leave and a baby screaming for 10 hours in a tightly packed tube with no possibility of escape.

It's incredibly annoying. If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you- you don't get to make the lives of 150 other people a living hell. Short and quickly hushed outbursts won't piss too many people off. But when you let your little grub drone on like an air raid siren, it should go with the checked baggage or not at all.


Are you kidding me? Wow. It must be great to have a life that is so comfortable and easy that a child crying near you is "a living hell".

And you call them snowflakes.


New parents have to become numb to the sounds of crying because they have no other choice.  After a few weeks their brains just burn out and it doesn't bother them.
 
2013-04-01 09:41:15 PM

WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: Making everybody else's life a living hell because of your shortcomings does not make you a good person.

Yes because you can't be arsed to not insist the world revolve around you for a few hours.


Actually the people who are acting like the world revolves around them are the ones who are subjecting lots of other people to discomfort to make their lives more convenient. Things like airplanes and decent restaurants (or, here in the city farking bars where shiathead hipster parents decide to take their 9 month olds/fashion accessories) are not appropriate places to children, and bringing a screaming baby to one of them is a significantly different issue then, say, bringing them with you to the grocery store.
 
2013-04-01 09:42:35 PM

WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: Making everybody else's life a living hell because of your shortcomings does not make you a good person.

Yes because you can't be arsed to not insist the world revolve around you for a few hours.


Oh, the irony. Saying everybody else has the right to not have to listen to your little shiat scream for hours is selfish in your book, while insisting that everybody else be inconvenienced because of your wants isn't.

Hint: When somebody is advocating something that benefits society at large, that is not being selfish. When somebody is advocating something that benefits them at the expense of the collective, that IS being selfish.
 
2013-04-01 09:44:19 PM

Babbs: puppypants: Babbs: KiwDaWabbit: Babbs: You don't know shiat about parenting until you have one. Period. And all you assholes that say "How your kid wouldn't do this and that" are full of shiat. I had a friend who liked to tell me how to raise my toddlers before she had kids. I laugh at her now because she has 3 of the most god awfully behaved kids that ever walked the face of the earth. It's like karma. So shut your mouths about how other people parent their kids before you have 'em, because I've seen this happen over and over.

I don't have children, but would agree with you on your point that you can't fully understand an experience until you experience it for yourself. In some ways, a person without a child giving a person with a child parenting advice is akin getting sex advice from a virgin.

However, as others have pointed out, you don't have to experience something to learn some lessons from others' misfortunes during said experience. If that experience is shooting heroin, you might not have to be an information recipient or even a spectator for long before you decide that it's not for you. Getting back to the topic at hand, even people who don't have children have some type of idea how they would raise children. But, as the saying goes "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." There are just so many variables with having and raising children, from congenital issues to disposition, you can't know for sure what you're going to deal with, both good and bad...a lot of unpredictability.

I don't want to sound like I'm defending the author, as he comes off as pompous to me, but it is also amusing to me just how much ire he is drawing out. That type of reaction tells me that he has some valid points. Maybe it will make some people sit back and reflect a little bit, which is never a bad thing.

And actually, I totally agree with you. But the ONE thing people don't understand when they don't have kids (and I know those of you with kids will agree wit ...


Ya. These same people complain for ages on how their kid wakes up all the time during the night and they can't get more than 3 hours of uninterrupted sleep at a time. Where as, my kid has been sleeping from 7pm to 6am since she was about 4 months. She doesn't fuss when going to sleep, and if she wakes up she isn't crying bloody murder but sings herself back to sleep if it still sleepy time or until I get up and get her out of her crib if it is wake up time. I'm sure a 2 year old that wakes up singing has been traumatized for life.
 
2013-04-01 09:44:23 PM

Ringshadow: I am not having kids. When people ask me why not I say "would you rather I not have kids, or have kids and possibly be a terrible parent?"
Usually they shut up after that.

As for your kids, as long ass they're not screaming fit to bust my eardrums, carry on.

/sterilized


I saw how my family rolls and opted to end ~3 billion years of evolutionary mistake.
 
2013-04-01 09:44:31 PM

Gwendolyn: Why let your kids pick out what to wear themselves? Because it doesn't really freaking matter what a young kid wears and it is an easy way  them develop self-efficacy. Why you would fight a kid over what they want to put on is the part that makes no sense.


if you raise your child properly, there would be no fight.
you as the parent make those decisions unless you specifically give them a choice. period.
 
2013-04-01 09:44:41 PM

Cagey B: super_grass: Cagey B: I have a lot more sympathy for a three-month-old dealing with ear problems during a flight than I do for an overweight Aspie neckbeard whining about how they had to endure hearing something they didn't wish to for a few hours before moving on with their lives.

I like how you're making the same types of assumptions as the author, but that makes you better than him somehow.

Let me guess, bad parent?

Nope. My kids are courteous, respectful, and will grow up able to read a thread before posting on the internet and embarrassing themselves. Remind me to donate a little more to literacy outreach efforts this year in whatever area you're from.


You sound defensive and passive aggressive.

That article clearly hit a nerve, otherwise you'd be able ignore it like a crying child.
 
2013-04-01 09:45:04 PM

cptjeff: WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: Making everybody else's life a living hell because of your shortcomings does not make you a good person.

Yes because you can't be arsed to not insist the world revolve around you for a few hours.

Oh, the irony. Saying everybody else has the right to not have to listen to your little shiat scream for hours is selfish in your book, while insisting that everybody else be inconvenienced because of your wants isn't.

Hint: When somebody is advocating something that benefits society at large, that is not being selfish. When somebody is advocating something that benefits them at the expense of the collective, that IS being selfish.


Bears repeating.
 
2013-04-01 09:45:06 PM

namegoeshere: cptjeff: Mithiwithi: nd if an adult can't deal with a few screaming babies for a while

There's a difference between a screaming baby in an open space where people can leave and a baby screaming for 10 hours in a tightly packed tube with no possibility of escape.

It's incredibly annoying. If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you- you don't get to make the lives of 150 other people a living hell. Short and quickly hushed outbursts won't piss too many people off. But when you let your little grub drone on like an air raid siren, it should go with the checked baggage or not at all.


Are you kidding me? Wow. It must be great to have a life that is so comfortable and easy that a child crying near you is "a living hell".


Maybe crying babies are like cilantro.... some people don't mind them much but for others their cry is like a knife through the skull. For me, the sound of a baby crying actually makes me feel pain, it is painful. Normally, it's not too much a problem because if a baby starts crying near me I just leave. But if I'm trapped on a plane with one it is like hell, the crying is like a knife, there's the hopeless feeling because you know you can't do anything to stop it from crying, and when it does stop you just spend the whole rest of the flight terrified that it's going to start up again.
 
2013-04-01 09:45:48 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Babbs: I get more annoyed at inconsiderate adults than I do with kids. At least the kids have an excuse..they're KIDS.

I get annoyed with adults who think that just because they have kids that they also have a right to be inconsiderate to other adults in public areas.


It's not like adults are immune from being annoying. Nobody thinks, "I have the right to be annoying because I made a baby." We all owe each other some consideration in public. Some sort of "community" thing or whatever.

And like I said in yesterday's parent-shaming thread, I think we could all stand to lay off each other. Prune your snowflake how you see fit.
 
2013-04-01 09:45:50 PM
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2013-04-01 09:47:49 PM

darthaegis: ArcadianRefugee: May be a condescending urban douchebag, but not having children doesn't prevent one from knowing better than some people who do, any more than a research scientist needs to inject himself with Drug X to study its effect on people.

It's a little thing called "observation" and, over time, it enables you to realize who the shiatty parents are, and why.

Exactly!!!!  Not having ever been in a warzone doesn't prevent one from knowing better than some people that have on how to evaluate threats and survive.  In fact, it's the lack of experience that gives them such keep insight and allows them to logically assess the situation objectively.

~rolls eyes~


Bzzt!

I can tell a good quarterback from a bad one, despite never having been one. And if saying, "Hey, you! You should be more like that guy, who has three times as many touchdown passes to his name than you do, and a Super Bowl ring to boot. Where's your ring?"

I see well-behaved children, and children that need to be put down. Then I look to the parents, and I see common traits shared with those of the well-behaved kids, and ones shared by those who spawned brats. Guess which ones I try to model myself after?

If pointing you to the betterother half makes me a "know-it-all", so be it; you're still a bad parent, and I'mma call you on it. Simply having a little crotch-spawn of your own doesn't grant you any spectacular powers or insights; if it did, there would be no horrid children (unless you're simply an asshole who intentionally raises shiatstains for kids).
 
2013-04-01 09:48:53 PM

puppypants: Babbs: puppypants: Babbs: KiwDaWabbit: Babbs: You don't know shiat about parenting until you have one. Period. And all you assholes that say "How your kid wouldn't do this and that" are full of shiat. I had a friend who liked to tell me how to raise my toddlers before she had kids. I laugh at her now because she has 3 of the most god awfully behaved kids that ever walked the face of the earth. It's like karma. So shut your mouths about how other people parent their kids before you have 'em, because I've seen this happen over and over.

I don't have children, but would agree with you on your point that you can't fully understand an experience until you experience it for yourself. In some ways, a person without a child giving a person with a child parenting advice is akin getting sex advice from a virgin.

However, as others have pointed out, you don't have to experience something to learn some lessons from others' misfortunes during said experience. If that experience is shooting heroin, you might not have to be an information recipient or even a spectator for long before you decide that it's not for you. Getting back to the topic at hand, even people who don't have children have some type of idea how they would raise children. But, as the saying goes "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." There are just so many variables with having and raising children, from congenital issues to disposition, you can't know for sure what you're going to deal with, both good and bad...a lot of unpredictability.

I don't want to sound like I'm defending the author, as he comes off as pompous to me, but it is also amusing to me just how much ire he is drawing out. That type of reaction tells me that he has some valid points. Maybe it will make some people sit back and reflect a little bit, which is never a bad thing.

And actually, I totally agree with you. But the ONE thing people don't understand when they don't have kids (and I know those of you with kids will ag ...


You have set, my dear, something they call BOUNDARIES. Even at 2, she understands that mom and dad aren't going to run into the room and get me everytime I whine a little. But she also knows that if push comes to shove, mom and dad will be there for her. This is how awesome adults are made. Parenting, you're doing it right.
 
2013-04-01 09:49:26 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war how to fight a war.

This is fun

an accurate analogy
 
2013-04-01 09:49:27 PM

noitsnot: namegoeshere: cptjeff: Mithiwithi: nd if an adult can't deal with a few screaming babies for a while

There's a difference between a screaming baby in an open space where people can leave and a baby screaming for 10 hours in a tightly packed tube with no possibility of escape.

It's incredibly annoying. If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you- you don't get to make the lives of 150 other people a living hell. Short and quickly hushed outbursts won't piss too many people off. But when you let your little grub drone on like an air raid siren, it should go with the checked baggage or not at all.


Are you kidding me? Wow. It must be great to have a life that is so comfortable and easy that a child crying near you is "a living hell".

And you call them snowflakes.

New parents have to become numb to the sounds of crying because they have no other choice.  After a few weeks their brains just burn out and it doesn't bother them.


God made noise cancelling headphones for everyone else.
 
2013-04-01 09:49:37 PM

Milo Minderbinder: If you are bothered by the article, it means you probably can't control your kids.


Or it's annoying to have someone with zero experience given a voice to dispense "expert advice" on a topic of which he has no knowledge.

/you just don't know or understand unless you've been there
 
2013-04-01 09:50:23 PM

walkingtall: Arthur Jumbles: Why are the other people assholes because they are annoyed by someone's screaming child?

Hate to tell ya...but that pretty much does make you an asshole. Put on some headphones and ignore it or offer to help or give comfort to what are probably very stressed parents. And even if those parents are the rare ones who really are as bad as you think they may be, do the best you can get off the plane and go on with your life. THAT would mean you arent an asshole. Im guessing you would go with option B though.


I should have to spend my money on devices just to partially drown out your banshee child? I've had my iPod shiat the bed shortly before a flying trip. No loud kids (somehow, I've gotten lucky and never had this problem on a plane), but should I have had to spend hundreds of dollars on electronics in case? What if I only want to read a book to pass the flight time?
 
2013-04-01 09:50:46 PM

Banned on the Run: ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war how to fight a war.

This is fun an accurate analogy


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You have no right to judge!
 
2013-04-01 09:51:41 PM

Popular Opinion: Gwendolyn: Why let your kids pick out what to wear themselves? Because it doesn't really freaking matter what a young kid wears and it is an easy way  them develop self-efficacy. Why you would fight a kid over what they want to put on is the part that makes no sense.

if you raise your child properly, there would be no fight.
you as the parent make those decisions unless you specifically give them a choice. period.


You know how I know you don't have kids?
 
2013-04-01 09:51:44 PM
I thought I used to know everything when I was a teenager and in my twenties, but over time life eventually taught me a lot more about other people's experiences than I could intellectually grasp in my head full of "me". I didn't have the outside perspective to get anything except how I thought it all was and should be.

I also though I knew everything about raising kids before I experienced it, and now look back a bit humbled.
I see a lot of the old me here in this thread, and it's adorable.

That being said, there are some dicky kids out there forged by crappy parents that need to FOAD.
You guys would approve of my kid, hands-down the quietest person in the movie theater.

/except you pedoFarkers ...  the show's up on the screen dudes.
 
2013-04-01 09:52:00 PM

super_grass: Banned on the Run: ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war how to fight a war.

This is fun an accurate analogy

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You have no right to judge!


Why does Frodo have that man on a leash?
 
2013-04-01 09:52:25 PM

Arthur Jumbles: namegoeshere: cptjeff: Mithiwithi: nd if an adult can't deal with a few screaming babies for a while

There's a difference between a screaming baby in an open space where people can leave and a baby screaming for 10 hours in a tightly packed tube with no possibility of escape.

It's incredibly annoying. If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you- you don't get to make the lives of 150 other people a living hell. Short and quickly hushed outbursts won't piss too many people off. But when you let your little grub drone on like an air raid siren, it should go with the checked baggage or not at all.


Are you kidding me? Wow. It must be great to have a life that is so comfortable and easy that a child crying near you is "a living hell".

Maybe crying babies are like cilantro.... some people don't mind them much but for others their cry is like a knife through the skull. For me, the sound of a baby crying actually makes me feel pain, it is painful. Normally, it's not too much a problem because if a baby starts crying near me I just leave. But if I'm trapped on a plane with one it is like hell, the crying is like a knife, there's the hopeless feeling because you know you can't do anything to stop it from crying, and when it does stop you just spend the whole rest of the flight terrified that it's going to start up again.


I've got a great pair of headphones from Bose - the screaming just fades away into so much background noise. I highly recommend.
 
2013-04-01 09:53:31 PM

cptjeff: WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: Making everybody else's life a living hell because of your shortcomings does not make you a good person.

Yes because you can't be arsed to not insist the world revolve around you for a few hours.

Oh, the irony. Saying everybody else has the right to not have to listen to your little shiat scream for hours is selfish in your book, while insisting that everybody else be inconvenienced because of your wants isn't.

Hint: When somebody is advocating something that benefits society at large, that is not being selfish. When somebody is advocating something that benefits them at the expense of the collective, that IS being selfish.


Yes, because of all the things keeping us from achieving a utopian society, kids crying on airplanes is the one that's really holding us back.
 
2013-04-01 09:54:41 PM

cptjeff: If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you


hypocrite
Ill TRY to get my kids to shut up, but sometimes it is not easy (usually on take off and landing when they have pressure issues and are in pain)
I don't care how inconvenient it is for you - get farking used to it, or DON'T FLY !! (see how that works asswipe ?)
 
2013-04-01 09:54:50 PM

Donnchadha: ArcadianRefugee: May be a condescending urban douchebag, but not having children doesn't prevent one from knowing better than some people who do, any more than a research scientist needs to inject himself with Drug X to study its effect on people.

It's a little thing called "observation" and, over time, it enables you to realize who the shiatty parents are, and why.

Oh, no, no, no....

Until you have a child....

Until you have a child... you do not and cannot understand

I don't care if you're a 50 year old childcare professional with 25 years of experience dealing with hundreds of children, just none of them your own. I'm a 16 year girl who got teen pregnant and that makes me infinitely more mature and responsible than you.


Notsureifserious
 
2013-04-01 09:54:55 PM

namegoeshere: cptjeff: Mithiwithi: nd if an adult can't deal with a few screaming babies for a while

There's a difference between a screaming baby in an open space where people can leave and a baby screaming for 10 hours in a tightly packed tube with no possibility of escape.

It's incredibly annoying. If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you- you don't get to make the lives of 150 other people a living hell. Short and quickly hushed outbursts won't piss too many people off. But when you let your little grub drone on like an air raid siren, it should go with the checked baggage or not at all.


Are you kidding me? Wow. It must be great to have a life that is so comfortable and easy that a child crying near you is "a living hell".

And you call them snowflakes.


straight up pwned
 
2013-04-01 09:55:15 PM

Cobataiwan: 3) Since all of our entitlements are based on the next generation paying for the last, perhaps we should tax extra those people who are too greedy of free time to not have children of their own to support their generation. I mean we tax rich people who are too greedy, so why not tax those who are spending more than their alottment of leisure time?


Genius, childless people do get taxed more, by not getting to claim a dependent.
 
2013-04-01 09:55:44 PM

Arthur Jumbles: But if I'm trapped on a plane with one it is like hell, the crying is like a knife, there's the hopeless feeling because you know you can't do anything to stop it from crying, and when it does stop you just spend the whole rest of the flight terrified that it's going to start up again.


Foam. Earplugs. You have an odd personal sensitivity, I'm frankly shocked you haven't figure out how to deal with it. Sorta like how I can have an asthma attack if I'm on a plane with too many cats in the cabin, so I bring an inhaler.
 
2013-04-01 09:55:52 PM

cptjeff: When somebody is advocating something that benefits society at large


A child crying on an airplane does no harm to society.
 
2013-04-01 09:55:59 PM

Babbs: Popular Opinion: Gwendolyn: Why let your kids pick out what to wear themselves? Because it doesn't really freaking matter what a young kid wears and it is an easy way  them develop self-efficacy. Why you would fight a kid over what they want to put on is the part that makes no sense.

if you raise your child properly, there would be no fight.
you as the parent make those decisions unless you specifically give them a choice. period.

You know how I know you don't have kids?


I was going to say the same thing.
 
2013-04-01 09:56:24 PM

Popular Opinion: Gwendolyn: Why let your kids pick out what to wear themselves? Because it doesn't really freaking matter what a young kid wears and it is an easy way  them develop self-efficacy. Why you would fight a kid over what they want to put on is the part that makes no sense.

if you raise your child properly, there would be no fight.
you as the parent make those decisions unless you specifically give them a choice. period.


You obviously never met a teenager or a toddler in your life.

/one teen
//two preteens
///gray hair, what's left of it
 
2013-04-01 09:57:35 PM
aevorea:
It's even more disgusting when the kid 'messes' on the floor, loudly declares that they made a mess ... and the parent does nothing about it.

I would say "these people exist?!" but where my wife works, a parent has watched their kid leak on the floor, said "by the way, there's pee on the floor in one of the aisles" and then walked out.  Personally, if it was my kid I'd be asking for a paper towel to take care of it, but hey, I'm sure those people trying to sell organic kale totally don't mind cleaning up stranger piss.
 
2013-04-01 09:57:44 PM

Voiceofreason01: Not as big of a douchbag as people who try to negotiate with their screaming toddler in the middle of a restaurant.




Done in one
 
2013-04-01 09:57:47 PM
if you are in my family, and your child goes off in a restaurant, one or both of the parents will exit the building with the child immediately. there is no discussion in public. there is no negotiation with the child, or steps taken to determine what is wrong or causing the child to act up. all of this will be determined outside. the primary and immediate action item is to remove the disturbance from those that should not be subjected to another child's crying whining or screaming. period.

whether or not the parent(s) returns depends on the chances of the child acting up again.
if the chances are 99% no problem, they may return.
if not, the child is not taken to restaurants again until such a time as they can be expected to behave.
 
2013-04-01 09:58:27 PM

WhyteRaven74: cptjeff: When somebody is advocating something that benefits society at large

A child crying on an airplane does no harm to society.


Neither does money laundering.
 
2013-04-01 09:58:42 PM

super_grass: Banned on the Run: ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war how to fight a war.

This is fun an accurate analogy

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You have no right to judge!


When on the losing end of an argument, take it to the extreme.
Nice.
 
2013-04-01 09:59:14 PM

Slartibartfaster: cptjeff: If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you

hypocrite
Ill TRY to get my kids to shut up, but sometimes it is not easy (usually on take off and landing when they have pressure issues and are in pain)
I don't care how inconvenient it is for you - get farking used to it, or DON'T FLY !! (see how that works asswipe ?)


How articulate.


Nabb1: Yes, because of all the things keeping us from achieving a utopian society, kids crying on airplanes is the one that's really holding us back.


With a brain like that, you should definitely breed. As much as possible.

Because after the zombie apocalypse, we're gonna need people who we don't feel too guilty about feeding to the hordes to give everyone else time to escape.
 
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