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2013-04-01 09:17:35 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Why are the other people assholes because they are annoyed by someone's screaming child?


Hate to tell ya...but that pretty much does make you an asshole. Put on some headphones and ignore it or offer to help or give comfort to what are probably very stressed parents. And even if those parents are the rare ones who really are as bad as you think they may be, do the best you can get off the plane and go on with your life. THAT would mean you arent an asshole. Im guessing you would go with option B though.
 
2013-04-01 09:17:45 PM
This thread is the usual turd-snorkeling mess.
 
2013-04-01 09:17:49 PM

diaphoresis: douchebag/hater: Albinoman: You don't have to be a musician to know bad music just like you don't have to be a parent to know that someone is doing it wrong.

Absolutely 100% THIS.


And all the upset and butthurt people here saying 'until you've done it you can't have an opinion' are idiots.

Your kids are little tyrants. You're trying to negotiate with a 4 year old?
How farking stupid are you?
You'd rather give your kid an iPad to keep them quiet in a restaurant than acclimating them to societal norms about public behavior?
You're an idiot.
You think every thing your kid does is perfect and when she is flunking out of college it's some how the University's fault?
You've spent years being a shiatty parent.

Stop getting upset at having it pointed out to you because your angry simply proves how much you screwed up raising your kids.

8/10


Trying to invalidate my post without offering a counterpoint shows that I've hit the nail on the head.

Instead of putting your 14 yr old daughter on the pill maybe just maybe you should teach her some morals and at very least put some fear of pregnancy into her.

Instead of having your 16 yr old son and his friends drink at your house maybe just maybe you should being teaching them that drinking isn't something 16 yr olds should be doing instead of helping them break the law and YOU also breaking it in the process.

So Diaphoresis stop trying to be your kids 'friend' and work at being their parent. You'll feel better about yourself.
 
2013-04-01 09:17:52 PM
Sorry farkers but I agree with some of what the douche said. As a mother of three who also helped with the grandchildren when they were little I know that it is possible for children to behave in public, store, church or wherever. We were asked once "what's wrong with your kids?" It seems the person asking didn't understand that they stayed next to us in the supermarket because they knew that was expected of them. You can't do much with a crying baby except take them away from the setting. Impossible in a plane. You can teach preschoolers how to behave.
 
2013-04-01 09:18:18 PM
I love it when little kids dress themselves.  It makes me smile.  If I dressed like a princess with fairy wings people would assume I'm "special."  And not a good or nice kind of special either.
 
2013-04-01 09:18:27 PM

Mimic_Octopus: it has long been obvious that with little exception, those stupid enough  to get pregnant without planning to and stupid enough to birth an unplanned child are by far the least likely to actually be good parents.


So, you were a "blessing baby" for your parents, eh?
 
2013-04-01 09:18:28 PM
And here is an alarming for your subby. Most people have no idea how to raise children, yet they can have how many they want. That's sad and scary at the same time.
 
2013-04-01 09:18:39 PM

Steve Zodiac: As children we weren't taken into a sitdown restaurant until we had proven we would not scream and fight and run around. Not saying that I and my siblings were angels at the restaurant, because we weren't but my parents weren't the empty threat kind. You got your one warning before you went into the restaurant, and anything after that meant banishment out to the car with a parent who was p*ssed that they were missing one of the few nights out to a restaurant that my family could afford to take. I don't think any of us kids ever left more than once. You don't need to beat a child, but your threats can't be empty, either.


YES THIS!!
 
2013-04-01 09:19:20 PM

Sensei Can You See: GAT_00: Most of the time, I really don't give a shiat about your kid.  But if they're being a screaming little shiat while I'm trying to eat, or running around a store while you ignore them, there it very much is my interest how you are raising your kid.

It's one thing to ignore them, and I agree with you on that point.

It's not always a simple issue, though. When my son was 3 months old I was flying to Portland from Chicago with him after a Christmas visit. To avoid him having any discomfort with his ears popping, I did what I always did: Started him on a bottle when we started taxiing. That way he would be swallowing when we took off.

But then they postponed takeoff. I stopped feeding him but when we actually took off about 20 minutes later, he didn't want any more formula. About 10 minutes later he started screaming bloody murder as the pressure changed.

He screamed and cried for about 20 minutes, then suddenly belched loudly and almost instantly fell asleep.

During the screaming, though, I got lots of nasty looks from other passengers. Well, what the hell was I supposed to do? I wasn't ignoring him; I was comforting him and trying to get him to take some formula. But you can't spank a 3-month-old for bad behavior.


I'm not sure how you could read that article and think it had anything to do with 3 month children. Or how you could not read that article, and then think you had something relevant to add.
 
2013-04-01 09:20:00 PM
Rules for dealing with children in public places:

1) You used to be a kid too, and probably bothered people. This is part of life.

2) It helps to imagine that screaming kid as the doctor who cures your cancer or be paying for your retirement.

3) Since all of our entitlements are based on the next generation paying for the last, perhaps we should tax extra those people who are too greedy of free time to not have children of their own to support their generation. I mean we tax rich people who are too greedy, so why not tax those who are spending more than their alottment of leisure time?
 
2013-04-01 09:21:15 PM

GAT_00: Sensei Can You See: GAT_00: Most of the time, I really don't give a shiat about your kid.  But if they're being a screaming little shiat while I'm trying to eat, or running around a store while you ignore them, there it very much is my interest how you are raising your kid.

It's one thing to ignore them, and I agree with you on that point.

It's not always a simple issue, though. When my son was 3 months old I was flying to Portland from Chicago with him after a Christmas visit. To avoid him having any discomfort with his ears popping, I did what I always did: Started him on a bottle when we started taxiing. That way he would be swallowing when we took off.

But then they postponed takeoff. I stopped feeding him but when we actually took off about 20 minutes later, he didn't want any more formula. About 10 minutes later he started screaming bloody murder as the pressure changed.

He screamed and cried for about 20 minutes, then suddenly belched loudly and almost instantly fell asleep.

During the screaming, though, I got lots of nasty looks from other passengers. Well, what the hell was I supposed to do? I wasn't ignoring him; I was comforting him and trying to get him to take some formula. But you can't spank a 3-month-old for bad behavior.

You know what you could have done?  Not flown with a 3 month old.  Seriously, what the fark?


Are you serious?

I know this is Fark, but wow.
 
2013-04-01 09:21:17 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Babbs: You don't know shiat about parenting until you have one. Period. And all you assholes that say "How your kid wouldn't do this and that" are full of shiat. I had a friend who liked to tell me how to raise my toddlers before she had kids. I laugh at her now because she has 3 of the most god awfully behaved kids that ever walked the face of the earth. It's like karma. So shut your mouths about how other people parent their kids before you have 'em, because I've seen this happen over and over.

I don't have children, but would agree with you on your point that you can't fully understand an experience until you experience it for yourself. In some ways, a person without a child giving a person with a child parenting advice is akin getting sex advice from a virgin.

However, as others have pointed out, you don't have to experience something to learn some lessons from others' misfortunes during said experience. If that experience is shooting heroin, you might not have to be an information recipient or even a spectator for long before you decide that it's not for you. Getting back to the topic at hand, even people who don't have children have some type of idea how they would raise children. But, as the saying goes "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." There are just so many variables with having and raising children, from congenital issues to disposition, you can't know for sure what you're going to deal with, both good and bad...a lot of unpredictability.

I don't want to sound like I'm defending the author, as he comes off as pompous to me, but it is also amusing to me just how much ire he is drawing out. That type of reaction tells me that he has some valid points. Maybe it will make some people sit back and reflect a little bit, which is never a bad thing.


And actually, I totally agree with you. But the ONE thing people don't understand when they don't have kids (and I know those of you with kids will agree with me on this) is that damn primitive protective instinct. One really has to overcome that to be a good parent. I've seen too many parents afraid to discipline their kids for fear they are going to scar them for life...I know that sounds weird, but so true. As a parent, it's something you really have to teach yourself to overcome and realize disciplining your kids is actually doing them a favor. You, them and society.
 
2013-04-01 09:21:56 PM

SarcasticFark: Funny thing...I have TWO kids and I can't find a damn thing the writer of this article is wrong about.  One of my boys is a pseudo-adult (above the age of majority but his frontal lobe isn't quite fully functional yet) and one know-it-all 16 year old.  My parenting philosophy consists of 3 rules:

1.  Warn once, punish once.
2.  Teach empathy and respect for others' personal space and private property.
3.  Re-farkin'-lax.  If you've done 1 and 2...the rest is relatively easy.


Set clear boundaries and expectations - reinforce them. Simple.
 
2013-04-01 09:21:58 PM
There's a major difference between saying "that lady whose kid is screaming in the next aisle must be a sh*tty parent" and "helicopter parenting does not seem like a good way to turn out healthy, functional adults."

Even though I don't have kids, I feel like it's okay to express the latter.
 
2013-04-01 09:22:09 PM

lilplatinum: Not be a cockbag and forgoe flying with your child until it is old enough to be able to behave in public.


The person flying with a small child to be with family during the holidays isnt the cockbag. Not since that person isnt the cockbag that kind of leaves your position weak. Why I do believe YOU are the cockbag in this little tale. Yeah....Im pretty sure of it. .
 
2013-04-01 09:22:42 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Babbs: I get more annoyed at inconsiderate adults than I do with kids. At least the kids have an excuse..they're KIDS.

I get annoyed with adults who think that just because they have kids that they also have a right to be inconsiderate to other adults in public areas.


As do I. That's kind of my point. It's not the kids' fault. It's the parents.
 
2013-04-01 09:23:12 PM
Hopefully you never hop on a plane so you limit your miserable attitude to the people who already know your good side.
 
2013-04-01 09:23:19 PM

Mithiwithi: nd if an adult can't deal with a few screaming babies for a while


There's a difference between a screaming baby in an open space where people can leave and a baby screaming for 10 hours in a tightly packed tube with no possibility of escape.

It's incredibly annoying. If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you- you don't get to make the lives of 150 other people a living hell. Short and quickly hushed outbursts won't piss too many people off. But when you let your little grub drone on like an air raid siren, it should go with the checked baggage or not at all.

Here's the thing: your kid may be the most precious thing on the planet to you. But only to you. Think about it this way: if somebody bought a dog on board that seemed physically incapable of not barking, would you say that everybody else on the flight should suck it up? No, you'd be rooting for the plane to land and for the dog and its owner to be offloaded somewhere in rural kansas. That's how we feel about your kid. And you.
 
2013-04-01 09:23:52 PM
My non-breeder complaint is parents who seem to think we've all built up the level of tolerance for their offspring's behavior as they have. Folks who'll be having a conversation or whatever, kid'll break out in a tantrum or otherwise enter into hellion mode, and mom or dad will just give a little "that's nice, kid, seen it a million times before" glance, and then go back to whatever they were doing. A lot of us haven't seen it before though, and the public brattiness is grating. Don't assume we can all tune it out like you do, mom and dad.

/And as a side note, we don't find graphic descriptions of your baby's poop cute. Try and keep it to yourself.
 
2013-04-01 09:24:44 PM
We were all babies once. We've all been screaming bloody bastards that could do nothing but eat and shiat ourselves.

It's true that you can't understand what it is to be a parent until you've been one, much like how you can't understand what it is to be in a war unless you've actually been in one.

You can have opinions on this without raising kids, but raising kids is a lot like Vietnam. You can talk about the causes, what should and shouldn't be done, and come up with some very good theories and practices of the way things could and should be handled, but  you weren't there man, you weren't THERE.

Feel free to tell me how you'd control your kids with an iron fist and they'd be perfect little angels. Tell me how you'd raise your kids if you had them. You can do all of that.

Tell me how to raise  my kid though, and  I'll cut you.
 
2013-04-01 09:25:34 PM
Mrs. MIRV & I have been raising our kid for a while now.  Unacceptable behavior in public has always been a quick ticket to an unpleasant ride home and, once she was old enough, grounding.  That's just a base line rule the way I learned it.  Beyond that,  I got nothin'.  Do the best you & yours (hopefully) can contrive.  That's all anyone else is doing.
 
2013-04-01 09:25:43 PM

TinyFist: My Dad knew a guy who had lost his arm in a construction accident. Any time we got out of line and needed a lesson, he'd stage some elaborate scene where the guy would "lose" his arm. Fake blood, prosthetic arm yanked/ smashed off, etc. Scared the hell out of us but we learned some really valuable lessons.

Always leave a note.


You just won this thread, hands down.
*slow clap*
 
2013-04-01 09:25:44 PM

puppypants:

So very true. When my babby was a baby I had to attend to every cry. It was physically painful for me if I tried to ignore. Now that my babby is nearly 2 I can ignore most cries because it is typically her being a little shiat and I don't really even hear her.
*SNERK*  I originally read this as "Now that my babby is nearly 21" and it was funnier that way.
 
2013-04-01 09:25:50 PM
You should fit right in with the childless, basement dwelling child rearing experts here on Fark, then.
 
2013-04-01 09:26:15 PM

Cobataiwan: Rules for dealing with children in public places:

1) You used to be a kid too, and probably bothered people. This is part of life.

2) It helps to imagine that screaming kid as the doctor who cures your cancer or be paying for your retirement.

3) Since all of our entitlements are based on the next generation paying for the last, perhaps we should tax extra those people who are too greedy of free time to not have children of their own to support their generation. I mean we tax rich people who are too greedy, so why not tax those who are spending more than their alottment of leisure time? use industrial diamond manufacturing technology to compress the next generation into 20 carat diamonds to sell to the highest international bidder, thereby financing everything baby boomers desire while bringing new meaning to the term "blood diamonds" and solving overpopulation issues overnight.


FTFY
 
2013-04-01 09:26:19 PM
If you aren't man enough to put a babby up in a woman and then raise it you need to shut your piehole.
 
2013-04-01 09:26:49 PM

cptjeff: Here's the thing: your kid may be the most precious thing on the planet to you. But only to you. Think about it this way: if somebody bought a dog on board that seemed physically incapable of not barking, would you say that everybody else on the flight should suck it up? No, you'd be rooting for the plane to land and for the dog and its owner to be offloaded somewhere in rural kansas. That's how we feel about your kid. And you.


Wow...just wow. Im sure when you wake up in the morning and get dressed for your job you see a nice reasonable person who is basically good, doesnt do terrible things and just tries to make it in this world. Unless your post is a troll I got news for you, you arent.
 
2013-04-01 09:27:01 PM
Meh. Most of that was pretty spot on.

I've never been a suicide bomber either. Is it okay if I opine about terrorism or do I have to STFU until I strap on a vest?
 
2013-04-01 09:27:39 PM
It sucks that small children are on airplanes, but they have to travel once in a while, just like fat people, those who don't shower frequently enough, and certain minorities.  So learn to be considerate and know that there has to be a compromise between the right to travel and the right to travel comfortably.

You have to share the world with others, deal with it.
 
2013-04-01 09:27:57 PM

cptjeff: Mithiwithi: nd if an adult can't deal with a few screaming babies for a while

There's a difference between a screaming baby in an open space where people can leave and a baby screaming for 10 hours in a tightly packed tube with no possibility of escape.

It's incredibly annoying. If you cannot get your child to shut up, don't fly. I don't care how inconvenient it is for you- you don't get to make the lives of 150 other people a living hell. Short and quickly hushed outbursts won't piss too many people off. But when you let your little grub drone on like an air raid siren, it should go with the checked baggage or not at all.

Here's the thing: your kid may be the most precious thing on the planet to you. But only to you. Think about it this way: if somebody bought a dog on board that seemed physically incapable of not barking, would you say that everybody else on the flight should suck it up? No, you'd be rooting for the plane to land and for the dog and its owner to be offloaded somewhere in rural kansas. That's how we feel about your kid. And you.


No, most people have an ounce of decency and aren't self-absorbed narcissists who think an upset child is the same as a dog. No parent wants their kid to have a meltdown on a plane. It's stressful as hell. But the world doesn't revolve around you. Regardless of what you were told as a child, there is no right to not be inconvenienced every once in a while.
 
2013-04-01 09:28:17 PM

Moopy Mac: Surpheon: Moopy Mac: So in other words, your kids have carte blanche to annoy others?

No, they just have as much right as you do. I've been far more annoyed by drunk 20-somethings laughing like hyenas on a plane than a kid crying, but both have carte blanche to be their annoying selves. I don't know what your mom taught you, but mine taught me that tolerating others is part of living in society.

So now we are to the point that we need to tolerate the inappropriate behavior of others (drunk annoying 20 year old or crappy parenting)? Interesting concept of tolerance. I'm sure you apply it evenly.


Yes snowflake, until you buy your own personal jet you have to tolerate drunk annoying people laughing loudly on a plane (although the stewardess doesn't have to tolerate getting hit on). As for apply it evenly, I'm not even sure what that means. Do you think I'm biatching out drunks on a plane for being loud douchebags or something? They're annoying, I put in earplugs and go on with my life.
 
2013-04-01 09:29:07 PM
Abortions and contraception should be free at every drug store.
Women who get abortions should receive a thank you note from the planet.
 
2013-04-01 09:29:51 PM

Kittypie070:

profplump: bus hen

Don't count your bus hens before they lay eggs?

Try again??

That's Fark's little April Fool joke -- occasionally, a post will have all occurrences of one letter removed -- "W" in this case.
 
2013-04-01 09:30:06 PM
If you are bothered by the article, it means you probably can't control your kids.
 
2013-04-01 09:30:19 PM

walkingtall: lilplatinum: Not be a cockbag and forgoe flying with your child until it is old enough to be able to behave in public.

The person flying with a small child to be with family during the holidays isnt the cockbag. Not since that person isnt the cockbag that kind of leaves your position weak. Why I do believe YOU are the cockbag in this little tale. Yeah....Im pretty sure of it. .

Actually, yes he is. If you have a captive farking audience that you are subjecting to hours of screaming because you don't want to be inconvenienced to drive somewhere for a farking holiday, then you are a selfish prick. My family drove between upstate new york and georgia every year for family shiat until we were old enough to behave ourselves during a flight, because they weren't selfish pricks who expect the rest of the world to suffer for their choices.
 
2013-04-01 09:31:34 PM

solitary: Abortions and contraception should be free at every drug store.
Women who get abortions should receive a thank you note from the planet.


Can you email me your mother's address in case she decides to have a retroactive abortion? I'd like to send flowers.
 
2013-04-01 09:31:37 PM
Parent weighing in... the author of the article, despite not being a parent, had some really good ideas. Negotiating with a kid who can't understand the concept... why? Explaining why you decide as you do... why not? Picking your battles with the kid, and not backing down on the important ones? Sure!

I agree with him as well on this point: Families aren't democracies. The parents get to make the decisions; the kids can have opinions, but the parents make the final decisions.

Why yes, my kid is perfect... wait, no he's not. What he is, is a sane adult human with respect for others, and who is capable of making his own decisions in life. Not so good in the money managing department, but that comes with time.
 
2013-04-01 09:31:43 PM
Bonzo_1116:
We started an epic food fight....bowls of chocolate pudding, french fries everywhere, ketchup. I still remember the bowl of pudding winging towards my head, 35 years later. It was magnificent.

You gotta do this stuff as a kid, because it's fun, and usually illegal to do as an adult.

walkingtall:
lilplatinum: Not be a cockbag and forgoe flying with your child until it is old enough to be able to behave in public.

The person flying with a small child to be with family during the holidays isnt the cockbag. Not since that person isnt the cockbag that kind of leaves your position weak. Why I do believe YOU are the cockbag in this little tale. Yeah....Im pretty sure of it. .


www.conservativedailynews.com
 
2013-04-01 09:31:45 PM

Babbs: KiwDaWabbit: Babbs: You don't know shiat about parenting until you have one. Period. And all you assholes that say "How your kid wouldn't do this and that" are full of shiat. I had a friend who liked to tell me how to raise my toddlers before she had kids. I laugh at her now because she has 3 of the most god awfully behaved kids that ever walked the face of the earth. It's like karma. So shut your mouths about how other people parent their kids before you have 'em, because I've seen this happen over and over.

I don't have children, but would agree with you on your point that you can't fully understand an experience until you experience it for yourself. In some ways, a person without a child giving a person with a child parenting advice is akin getting sex advice from a virgin.

However, as others have pointed out, you don't have to experience something to learn some lessons from others' misfortunes during said experience. If that experience is shooting heroin, you might not have to be an information recipient or even a spectator for long before you decide that it's not for you. Getting back to the topic at hand, even people who don't have children have some type of idea how they would raise children. But, as the saying goes "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." There are just so many variables with having and raising children, from congenital issues to disposition, you can't know for sure what you're going to deal with, both good and bad...a lot of unpredictability.

I don't want to sound like I'm defending the author, as he comes off as pompous to me, but it is also amusing to me just how much ire he is drawing out. That type of reaction tells me that he has some valid points. Maybe it will make some people sit back and reflect a little bit, which is never a bad thing.

And actually, I totally agree with you. But the ONE thing people don't understand when they don't have kids (and I know those of you with kids will agree with me on this) is th ...


What do you think of attachment parenting. Those who don't let their kid cry for more than 2 seconds because it will traumatize them for life and kill their brain cells. So they "wear" the kid everywhere and co-sleep?
 
2013-04-01 09:32:21 PM

Milo Minderbinder: If you are bothered by the article, it means you probably can't control your kids.


A whole lotta THIS ^
 
2013-04-01 09:32:30 PM
Was not a problem in a old days, perhaps because nobody wanted to travel on a flight with a 3 months old,

The Fack is, you guys drag you shiat genetic off spring around and then Im to blame for the trouble, I say flights are to cheep
and food in restaurantes for kids the same price lets see how that will work out

like yesterday I was nearly killed by a baby tank driver by 2 hipsters who was sure it was my job to hold
the door in the bakery shop, so none of them had to bake eye contact with the GOLD fart ......

Only good thing is that so much shiate in the food that fewer and fewer of them are able to get kids.....
 
2013-04-01 09:33:06 PM

lilplatinum: walkingtall: lilplatinum: Not be a cockbag and forgoe flying with your child until it is old enough to be able to behave in public.

The person flying with a small child to be with family during the holidays isnt the cockbag. Not since that person isnt the cockbag that kind of leaves your position weak. Why I do believe YOU are the cockbag in this little tale. Yeah....Im pretty sure of it. .
Actually, yes he is. If you have a captive farking audience that you are subjecting to hours of screaming because you don't want to be inconvenienced to drive somewhere for a farking holiday, then you are a selfish prick. My family drove between upstate new york and georgia every year for family shiat until we were old enough to behave ourselves during a flight, because they weren't selfish pricks who expect the rest of the world to suffer for their choices.


Oh, we're suffering from their choices, all right.
 
2013-04-01 09:33:07 PM
I have a lot more sympathy for a three-month-old dealing with ear problems during a flight than I do for an overweight Aspie neckbeard whining about how they had to endure hearing something they didn't wish to for a few hours before moving on with their lives.
 
2013-04-01 09:33:09 PM

walkingtall: lilplatinum: Not be a cockbag and forgoe flying with your child until it is old enough to be able to behave in public.

The person flying with a small child to be with family during the holidays isnt the cockbag. Not since that person isnt the cockbag that kind of leaves your position weak. Why I do believe YOU are the cockbag in this little tale. Yeah....Im pretty sure of it. .


If they know that child is not going to be capable of behaving while traveling, the parents are selfish cockbags. You want to travel, drive. Too far? Tough. Making everybody else's life a living hell because of your shortcomings does not make you a good person.
 
2013-04-01 09:33:57 PM
Does he really think any of what he is saying is new or edgy?  This has been done to death since at least dr. Spock first published.
 
2013-04-01 09:34:02 PM

lilplatinum: walkingtall: lilplatinum: Not be a cockbag and forgoe flying with your child until it is old enough to be able to behave in public.

The person flying with a small child to be with family during the holidays isnt the cockbag. Not since that person isnt the cockbag that kind of leaves your position weak. Why I do believe YOU are the cockbag in this little tale. Yeah....Im pretty sure of it. .
Actually, yes he is. If you have a captive farking audience that you are subjecting to hours of screaming because you don't want to be inconvenienced to drive somewhere for a farking holiday, then you are a selfish prick. My family drove between upstate new york and georgia every year for family shiat until we were old enough to behave ourselves during a flight, because they weren't selfish pricks who expect the rest of the world to suffer for their choices.


lol, watch your blood pressure there big fella, you'll have a stroke
 
2013-04-01 09:34:32 PM
He's spot-on actually.

Not everyone thinks your precious snowflake is, well, precious. In my experience they're brats and if I wouldn't get arrested for it, I'd slap the shiat out of some of these "parents."
 
2013-04-01 09:34:47 PM

Cagey B: I have a lot more sympathy for a three-month-old dealing with ear problems during a flight than I do for an overweight Aspie neckbeard whining about how they had to endure hearing something they didn't wish to for a few hours before moving on with their lives.


I like how you're making the same types of assumptions as the author, but that makes you better than him somehow.

Let me guess, bad parent?
 
2013-04-01 09:35:46 PM

puppypants: Babbs: KiwDaWabbit: Babbs: You don't know shiat about parenting until you have one. Period. And all you assholes that say "How your kid wouldn't do this and that" are full of shiat. I had a friend who liked to tell me how to raise my toddlers before she had kids. I laugh at her now because she has 3 of the most god awfully behaved kids that ever walked the face of the earth. It's like karma. So shut your mouths about how other people parent their kids before you have 'em, because I've seen this happen over and over.

I don't have children, but would agree with you on your point that you can't fully understand an experience until you experience it for yourself. In some ways, a person without a child giving a person with a child parenting advice is akin getting sex advice from a virgin.

However, as others have pointed out, you don't have to experience something to learn some lessons from others' misfortunes during said experience. If that experience is shooting heroin, you might not have to be an information recipient or even a spectator for long before you decide that it's not for you. Getting back to the topic at hand, even people who don't have children have some type of idea how they would raise children. But, as the saying goes "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." There are just so many variables with having and raising children, from congenital issues to disposition, you can't know for sure what you're going to deal with, both good and bad...a lot of unpredictability.

I don't want to sound like I'm defending the author, as he comes off as pompous to me, but it is also amusing to me just how much ire he is drawing out. That type of reaction tells me that he has some valid points. Maybe it will make some people sit back and reflect a little bit, which is never a bad thing.

And actually, I totally agree with you. But the ONE thing people don't understand when they don't have kids (and I know those of you with kids will agree with me on this ...


I think it's a load of crap. That's the "Oh, my kid will be TRAUMATIZED if I let him cry for more than 2 minutes". Bullshiat. What they are doing is creating codependent adults who won't be able to make an important decision without mommy and daddy helping them out. There's a balance. That's why raising kids (for people who do it right) is so damn hard.
 
2013-04-01 09:36:01 PM

Cagey B: I have a lot more sympathy for a three-month-old dealing with ear problems during a flight than I do for an overweight Aspie neckbeard whining about how they had to endure hearing something they didn't wish to for a few hours before moving on with their lives.


I have no problem with the 3 year old. I have major problems with the idiot adults who put it there.
 
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