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2013-04-01 09:00:13 PM
Mad_Radhu:

With babies it is hard because the human brain has evolved to tune into that sound in order to help keep babies alive. No matter how hard you try, you just can't ignore that sound out because your body is designed to pay attention to it. It is the most annoying noise in the world on purpose.


So very true. When my babby was a baby I had to attend to every cry. It was physically painful for me if I tried to ignore.  Now that my babby is nearly 2 I can ignore most cries because it is typically her being a little shiat and I don't really even hear her.
 
2013-04-01 09:00:32 PM

Smeggy Smurf: meat0918: I was once a condescending douchebag with more ideas about how you should raise kids while not having kids.

Then I had kids, and realized damn, I was a real douchebag with no farking clue about how to raise kids.

//Ad lib it.  It's the only way.

Plan ahead for every conceivable circumstance that your crotchfruit will get into.  You were a shiatty kid, your kid will do the same shiatty things you did.  Don't forget those shiatty things.  How do you think your parents were able to deal with a shiatty kid?  They were shiatty kids once too.

Then whip their ass when they screw up, tell them you love them and send their ass off to bed.  Rinse, repeat until the kid stops being shiatty.


Yep.

Although to hear my mother talk, I was an angel, at least compared to my sister and brother.  They got into trouble I would never have dreamed to get into.

Probably helped that Dad was around more during my younger years than he was with my siblings.
 
2013-04-01 09:00:32 PM

Kittypie070: So this witless lazy crap is all you gotta do to get a green in this joint??

A cheap shot lazy headline and a cheap shot lazy article?


It's more than you did.
 
2013-04-01 09:01:02 PM
Funny thing...I have TWO kids and I can't find a damn thing the writer of this article is wrong about.  One of my boys is a pseudo-adult (above the age of majority but his frontal lobe isn't quite fully functional yet) and one know-it-all 16 year old.  My parenting philosophy consists of 3 rules:

1.  Warn once, punish once.
2.  Teach empathy and respect for others' personal space and private property.
3.  Re-farkin'-lax.  If you've done 1 and 2...the rest is relatively easy.
 
2013-04-01 09:01:03 PM

Moopy Mac: So in other words, your kids have carte blanche to annoy others?


No, they just have as much right as you do. I've been far more annoyed by drunk 20-somethings laughing like hyenas on a plane than a kid crying, but both have carte blanche to be their annoying selves. I don't know what your mom taught you, but mine taught me that tolerating others is part of living in society.
 
2013-04-01 09:01:25 PM
Those of us without kids don't notice well behaved kids, just like we don't notice well behaved adults.  Just like you nice the one nail sticking out of the deck we notice the kid making s a scene.
 
2013-04-01 09:01:25 PM

Sensei Can You See:

But you can't spank a 3-month-old for bad behavior.
It's all a question of where you grip it...

i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-01 09:01:35 PM
I get more annoyed at inconsiderate adults than I do with kids. At least the kids have an excuse..they're KIDS.
 
2013-04-01 09:01:59 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: If you don't have kids, you can't comment on parenting.

If you didn't serve in the armed forces, you can't have an opinion on the war.

This is fun...


Might as well just create a paradox while we're here:

If you haven't lived your whole life without kids, you can't have an opinion on the right of non-parents to comment of on your ineptitude at parenting.
 
2013-04-01 09:02:32 PM

Babbs: Moopy Mac: Babbs: You don't know shiat about parenting until you have one. Period. And all you assholes that say "How your kid wouldn't do this and that" are full of shiat. I had a friend who liked to tell me how to raise my toddlers before she had kids. I laugh at her now because she has 3 of the most god awfully behaved kids that ever walked the face of the earth. It's like karma. So shut your mouths about how other people parent their kids before you have 'em, because I've seen this happen over and over.

So in other words, your kids have carte blanche to annoy others?

Did I say that? No. I just said that people that judge people with kids about how they are raising them should really try to be a little understanding, because when the time comes, they will be in the exact situations. No kids are perfect. Even the best ones act like assholes in public once in a while.

/ And my kids are grown now. And they both hate kids.


You said that people without kids don't know shiat about parenting. This means you believe they should not criticize your parenting. The next logical step is that they should not criticize the actions of your children which are caused by your parenting. How is that a leap from what you said originally?
 
2013-04-01 09:03:37 PM

profplump: bus hen


Don't count your bus hens before they lay eggs?

Try again??
 
2013-04-01 09:04:18 PM
My Dad knew a guy who had lost his arm in a construction accident. Any time we got out of line and needed a lesson, he'd stage some elaborate scene where the guy would "lose" his arm. Fake blood, prosthetic arm yanked/ smashed off, etc. Scared the hell out of us but we learned some really valuable lessons.

Always leave a note.
 
2013-04-01 09:04:23 PM
I had opinions about raising kids before I had my own.  Some turned out right, some not as well.
Looking back on the last 19 years, I made some dumb mistakes, and I did some things right.  I've decided it was all a crap shoot, and all I really did was offer some guidance.  She is who she is, and I doubt I had more than a dabbling of influence in how she turned out.

I can say this, any outbursts in public were handled swiftly and effectively.  She learned quickly that Pops did not play that game, so it didn't happen more than two or three times.

Everyone has a plan, then the kid shiats the diaper.
 
2013-04-01 09:04:30 PM

Kittypie070: profplump: bus hen

Don't count your bus hens before they lay eggs?

Try again??


April Fool's filter pwnage.
 
2013-04-01 09:04:37 PM

Mithiwithi: And if an adult can't deal with a few screaming babies for a while, maybe <i>they're</i> the ones not mature enough to go on a long plane ride.


To be fair to my mother who suffers from chronic cluster headaches, screaming babies on a plane can be a nightmare. For me, I do not mind one iota, but I will say some adults, a small subset, cannot deal with screaming babies. The rest of them, I agree with you; if you are an adult who has only aggravation to spout, take a f*cking car.
 
2013-04-01 09:04:39 PM

kxs401: People without children are still affected by how you raise them, and are going to have opinions. We have an interest, because we have to share the world with your kids. Someday, they're going to be our fellow citizens, our coworkers, and possibly, our perpetrators. We really want you to do a good job.


Some of you do. Maybe even most of you do.

But some of you... some of you really get on our last nerves.

"Will you shut that kid up?" -Stupid idiotic morons to the parents of a screaming child

What? Why? I LOVE the sound of a screaming toddler in the middle of a grocery store. It's literally music in my ears - why would I want to deny EVERYONE the most beautiful music in the world? That's why i'm holding her right next to my own ears, because I just love her screaming at the top of her lungs directly into my ears.
 
2013-04-01 09:04:44 PM
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2013-04-01 09:05:02 PM

Surpheon: Moopy Mac: So in other words, your kids have carte blanche to annoy others?

No, they just have as much right as you do. I've been far more annoyed by drunk 20-somethings laughing like hyenas on a plane than a kid crying, but both have carte blanche to be their annoying selves. I don't know what your mom taught you, but mine taught me that tolerating others is part of living in society.


So now we are to the point that we need to tolerate the inappropriate behavior of others (drunk annoying 20 year old or crappy parenting)? Interesting concept of tolerance. I'm sure you apply it evenly.
 
2013-04-01 09:05:18 PM
Most people suck at parenting. My 3 yr old is scared of me; that's how I role.
 
2013-04-01 09:05:31 PM
It pains me that they pay this man to write. Especially when they're paying him to write about things about which he clearly hasn't the first clue or a jot of experience.
 
2013-04-01 09:05:37 PM

Babbs: You don't know shiat about parenting until you have one. Period. And all you assholes that say "How your kid wouldn't do this and that" are full of shiat. I had a friend who liked to tell me how to raise my toddlers before she had kids. I laugh at her now because she has 3 of the most god awfully behaved kids that ever walked the face of the earth. It's like karma. So shut your mouths about how other people parent their kids before you have 'em, because I've seen this happen over and over.


I don't have children, but would agree with you on your point that you can't fully understand an experience until you experience it for yourself. In some ways, a person without a child giving a person with a child parenting advice is akin getting sex advice from a virgin.

However, as others have pointed out, you don't have to experience something to learn some lessons from others' misfortunes during said experience. If that experience is shooting heroin, you might not have to be an information recipient or even a spectator for long before you decide that it's not for you. Getting back to the topic at hand, even people who don't have children have some type of idea how they would raise children. But, as the saying goes "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." There are just so many variables with having and raising children, from congenital issues to disposition, you can't know for sure what you're going to deal with, both good and bad...a lot of unpredictability.

I don't want to sound like I'm defending the author, as he comes off as pompous to me, but it is also amusing to me just how much ire he is drawing out. That type of reaction tells me that he has some valid points. Maybe it will make some people sit back and reflect a little bit, which is never a bad thing.
 
2013-04-01 09:05:43 PM
Subby is a tard.

Newsflash: Anecdotal experience does not trump fact, even if the fact comes from an inexperienced source.

For example:
Pregnant women don't always make great doctors, a good many of them can't even spell stethoscope.

/nothing against the ladies, just an example
//DNRTFA
///It's just that the common idiot arguing point is a pet peeve
 
2013-04-01 09:05:49 PM

Gyrfalcon: kxs401: People without children are still affected by how you raise them, and are going to have opinions. We have an interest, because we have to share the world with your kids. Someday, they're going to be our fellow citizens, our coworkers, and possibly, our perpetrators. We really want you to do a good job.

[shrug] Yeah, but do you really know how those parents discipline their kids, what's going on in that home, what's going on on that day, etc.? You see a kid having a screaming meltdown in the middle of the grocery aisle and mom just standing there (it seems) and you think or even say "Goddamn, what a horrible child/mother! She just lets her kid scream at the top of his lungs and doesn't even care about all the other customers!" Of course, you have no way of knowing, and don't care to find out, that she's been in the store for 30 seconds, that the child  has a massive ear infection, and she's stopped in to pick up the prescription for amoxicillin to cure said earache. No, you made instant connection: screaming kid=bad mom, passed your judgement and went on. Was she supposed to leave the kid in the car? That's illegal these days.

This is why people who lack kids shouldn't really be telling people with them how to raise their children. What you the childless see as a one-time awful display of revolting undisciplined behavior may or may not be anything unusual to the parent. Or may be a kid who is sick. Or may be a parent who is sick (life is fun when you can't afford day care). Or it may just be nap time; as any parent could tell you, kids go from calm & rational to cranky & impossible in about .25 seconds when nap time hits. But YOU didn't know that, did you, Mr. I-don't-have-kids?

Maybe those without kids should STFU and save their outrage for kids who really do have bad parents and show up to school with bruises on their legs, or no lunch for a week, or whose parents can't be bothered to come to parent-teacher conferences. Oh, and I have no children either, ...


A-f*cking-men.
 
2013-04-01 09:06:17 PM
It also pains me that FARK has no edit capabilities once you hit Add Comment. about about about. Grr.
 
2013-04-01 09:06:30 PM

Smeggy Smurf: b0rg9: Ctl F thread for "crotch fruit"

/no results
//fark you disappoint

Missed it by that much | |


lol, thanks for deliverin'.
 
2013-04-01 09:06:48 PM

Albinoman: You don't have to be a musician to know bad music just like you don't have to be a parent to know that someone is doing it wrong.


Absolutely 100% THIS.


And all the upset and butthurt people here saying 'until you've done it you can't have an opinion' are idiots.

Your kids are little tyrants. You're trying to negotiate with a 4 year old?
How farking stupid are you?
You'd rather give your kid an iPad to keep them quiet in a restaurant than acclimating them to societal norms about public behavior?
You're an idiot.
You think every thing your kid does is perfect and when she is flunking out of college it's some how the University's fault?
You've spent years being a shiatty parent.

Stop getting upset at having it pointed out to you because your angry simply proves how much you screwed up raising your kids.
 
2013-04-01 09:07:10 PM
It never fails to amaze me how big of actual living breathing jerks the self described "reasonable, well-educated" people on fark are. Crap happens. Part of the next generation being raised, sometimes by people who have no friggin clue what they are donig, is you are going to be inconvenienced a few times in your public life. The complete lack of patience shown in today's culture is simply sickening. People are imperfect. Things happen. Things might not even be as you have so harshly judged in 3 sec. Some of you need to take a real hard look at yourselves. Unfortunately if you do you might not like what you see. It would be amazing to see what this world would be if there were more people who cut others the same slack they cut themselves. One of the wisest people I have ever know told me one time that people tend to judge others by the worst of their actions but judge themselves by the best of their intentions. Those were wise words Ive never forgotten.
 
2013-04-01 09:07:17 PM
Sensei Can You See:
During the screaming, though, I got lots of nasty looks from other passengers. Well, what the hell was I supposed to do? I wasn't ignoring him; I was comforting him and trying to get him to take some formula. But you can't spank a 3-month-old for bad behavior.

Don't you understand?  You and your crotch goblin should take the breeders-only train and leave the airplane to decent normal folks.  Nobody wants to see or hear your drunken genetic accident when they have wonderful Rick Moranis movies to watch on a 3" screen, and stale pretzels to eat.

/very much sarcasm, in case you hadn't guessed by now

GAT_00:
You know what you could have done? Not flown with a 3 month old. Seriously, what the fark?

Aaaand then there's you.  Sometimes people have to go places, you twit.  Besides, that airplane baby is only saying what we're all feeling.
 
2013-04-01 09:07:38 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: He's asking people to grow a backbone when dealing with their children in public situations.  I fail to see the outrage.


This right here.

Submitter sounds defensive.  There was nothing douchebaggy about that article.  If your kid is obnoxious or you're a dipshiat parent, expect looks and groans and an inclination to give you as wide a berth as possible.
 
2013-04-01 09:07:41 PM

WhippingBoy: Kittypie070: So this witless lazy crap is all you gotta do to get a green in this joint??

A cheap shot lazy headline and a cheap shot lazy article?


It's more than you did.


No, I was just observing and asking and snarking on top of that.

Who are you to tell me I am not permitted to snark on Fark?

Jerk.
 
2013-04-01 09:08:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: kxs401: People without children are still affected by how you raise them, and are going to have opinions. We have an interest, because we have to share the world with your kids. Someday, they're going to be our fellow citizens, our coworkers, and possibly, our perpetrators. We really want you to do a good job.

[shrug] Yeah, but do you really know how those parents discipline their kids, what's going on in that home, what's going on on that day, etc.? You see a kid having a screaming meltdown in the middle of the grocery aisle and mom just standing there (it seems) and you think or even say "Goddamn, what a horrible child/mother! She just lets her kid scream at the top of his lungs and doesn't even care about all the other customers!" Of course, you have no way of knowing, and don't care to find out, that she's been in the store for 30 seconds, that the child  has a massive ear infection, and she's stopped in to pick up the prescription for amoxicillin to cure said earache. No, you made instant connection: screaming kid=bad mom, passed your judgement and went on. Was she supposed to leave the kid in the car? That's illegal these days.

This is why people who lack kids shouldn't really be telling people with them how to raise their children. What you the childless see as a one-time awful display of revolting undisciplined behavior may or may not be anything unusual to the parent. Or may be a kid who is sick. Or may be a parent who is sick (life is fun when you can't afford day care). Or it may just be nap time; as any parent could tell you, kids go from calm & rational to cranky & impossible in about .25 seconds when nap time hits. But YOU didn't know that, did you, Mr. I-don't-have-kids?

Maybe those without kids should STFU and save their outrage for kids who really do have bad parents and show up to school with bruises on their legs, or no lunch for a week, or whose parents can't be bothered to come to parent-teacher conferences. Oh, and I have no children either, ...


I'm not advocating judging on one-time observations, necessarily (although if a parent makes a statement about their child-rearing philosophy, eg. "we don't tell Timmy how to behave" it might be possible) but I do know parents and can see them interact with their children repeatedly. I can't play football, but I know a sh*tty player when I see one.
 
2013-04-01 09:08:13 PM

GAT_00: Sensei Can You See: GAT_00: Most of the time, I really don't give a shiat about your kid.  But if they're being a screaming little shiat while I'm trying to eat, or running around a store while you ignore them, there it very much is my interest how you are raising your kid.

It's one thing to ignore them, and I agree with you on that point.

It's not always a simple issue, though. When my son was 3 months old I was flying to Portland from Chicago with him after a Christmas visit. To avoid him having any discomfort with his ears popping, I did what I always did: Started him on a bottle when we started taxiing. That way he would be swallowing when we took off.

But then they postponed takeoff. I stopped feeding him but when we actually took off about 20 minutes later, he didn't want any more formula. About 10 minutes later he started screaming bloody murder as the pressure changed.

He screamed and cried for about 20 minutes, then suddenly belched loudly and almost instantly fell asleep.

During the screaming, though, I got lots of nasty looks from other passengers. Well, what the hell was I supposed to do? I wasn't ignoring him; I was comforting him and trying to get him to take some formula. But you can't spank a 3-month-old for bad behavior.

You know what you could have done?  Not flown with a 3 month old.  Seriously, what the fark?



EXACTLY!  Thank you.

/Should be a special plane for under 18 passengers.
//Totally serious.
 
2013-04-01 09:08:43 PM

douchebag/hater: Albinoman: You don't have to be a musician to know bad music just like you don't have to be a parent to know that someone is doing it wrong.

Absolutely 100% THIS.


And all the upset and butthurt people here saying 'until you've done it you can't have an opinion' are idiots.

Your kids are little tyrants. You're trying to negotiate with a 4 year old?
How farking stupid are you?
You'd rather give your kid an iPad to keep them quiet in a restaurant than acclimating them to societal norms about public behavior?
You're an idiot.
You think every thing your kid does is perfect and when she is flunking out of college it's some how the University's fault?
You've spent years being a shiatty parent.

Stop getting upset at having it pointed out to you because your angry simply proves how much you screwed up raising your kids.


8/10
 
2013-04-01 09:08:45 PM

Metaluna Mutant: [farm4.staticflickr.com image 400x181]


Lesson 2, gently place the balls into the mouth and hummmmm
 
2013-04-01 09:08:49 PM

Techhell: kxs401: People without children are still affected by how you raise them, and are going to have opinions. We have an interest, because we have to share the world with your kids. Someday, they're going to be our fellow citizens, our coworkers, and possibly, our perpetrators. We really want you to do a good job.

Some of you do. Maybe even most of you do.

But some of you... some of you really get on our last nerves.

"Will you shut that kid up?" -Stupid idiotic morons to the parents of a screaming child

What? Why? I LOVE the sound of a screaming toddler in the middle of a grocery store. It's literally music in my ears - why would I want to deny EVERYONE the most beautiful music in the world? That's why i'm holding her right next to my own ears, because I just love her screaming at the top of her lungs directly into my ears.


You made a conscious decision to bring a life into this world (something I will do in the future). You don't then get to throw your hands up and divorce yourself from the repercussions of that decision, whether it is providing food or not inconveniencing others. It is no one else's responsibility, so when you are held to it, don't play the victim card. That seems relatively simple.
 
2013-04-01 09:09:00 PM

ArcadianRefugee: May be a condescending urban douchebag, but not having children doesn't prevent one from knowing better than some people who do, any more than a research scientist needs to inject himself with Drug X to study its effect on people.

It's a little thing called "observation" and, over time, it enables you to realize who the shiatty parents are, and why.


Exactly!!!!  Not having ever been in a warzone doesn't prevent one from knowing better than some people that have on how to evaluate threats and survive.  In fact, it's the lack of experience that gives them such keep insight and allows them to logically assess the situation objectively.

~rolls eyes~
 
2013-04-01 09:09:10 PM

Doc Daneeka: People without kids really shouldn't presume to give parenting advice to anyone.


Or maybe we could all get over ourselves and understand that both parents and non-parents are affected by childrearing decisions, and that neither parents nor non-parents have a completely realistic and unbiased view of childrearing, nor an intimate understanding of any particular situation in any particular family's life?

People don't magically become a parenting  gurus just because they hang around their kids for a few years. In many cases the fark their children the hell up. You should judge this (and all other) advise on its value, not on its author's supposed credentials.
 
2013-04-01 09:11:14 PM

Techhell: "Will you shut that kid up?"


I wouldn't say that -- I'm not a rude asshole, because my parents raised me not to be one.

However, if someone is advocating, say, not vaccinating their children, the fact that I don't have kids doesn't mean I can't judge them for their poor parenting skills.

That was a lot of negatives in one sentence.
 
2013-04-01 09:11:30 PM
As children we weren't taken into a sitdown restaurant until we had proven we would not scream and fight and run around. Not saying that I and my siblings were angels at the restaurant, because we weren't but my parents weren't the empty threat kind. You got your one warning before you went into the restaurant, and anything after that meant banishment out to the car with a parent who was p*ssed that they were missing one of the few nights out to a restaurant that my family could afford to take. I don't think any of us kids ever left more than once. You don't need to beat a child, but your threats can't be empty, either.
 
2013-04-01 09:13:29 PM
During the screaming, though, I got lots of nasty looks from other passengers. Well, what the hell was I supposed to do? I wasn't ignoring him; I was comforting him and trying to get him to take some formula. But you can't spank a 3-month-old for bad behavior.

Stow him in the overhead compartment bin.
 
2013-04-01 09:13:31 PM

Nadie_AZ: Sensei Can You See: During the screaming, though, I got lots of nasty looks from other passengers. Well, what the hell was I supposed to do? I wasn't ignoring him; I was comforting him and trying to get him to take some formula. But you can't spank a 3-month-old for bad behavior.

I'm a parent. I've been through a lot of sleepless nights, endless days of tooth aches, colic, asthma attacks. It is so hard sometimes. And when I see kids crying, I feel for the parents as much as anything else- of course I would rather a quiet plane ride or dinner experience- but god dammit- children are going to cry. They are going to be in pain, they are going to surprise you when you least expect it. And for other people to sit there and be assholes with their looks and groans, yeah that sucks.


Why are the other people assholes because they are annoyed by someone's screaming child?
 
2013-04-01 09:13:54 PM
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2013-04-01 09:14:08 PM
it has long been obvious that with little exception, those stupid enough  to get pregnant without planning to and stupid enough to birth an unplanned child are by far the least likely to actually be good parents.
 
2013-04-01 09:14:26 PM

Moopy Mac: Babbs: Moopy Mac: Babbs: You don't know shiat about parenting until you have one. Period. And all you assholes that say "How your kid wouldn't do this and that" are full of shiat. I had a friend who liked to tell me how to raise my toddlers before she had kids. I laugh at her now because she has 3 of the most god awfully behaved kids that ever walked the face of the earth. It's like karma. So shut your mouths about how other people parent their kids before you have 'em, because I've seen this happen over and over.

So in other words, your kids have carte blanche to annoy others?

Did I say that? No. I just said that people that judge people with kids about how they are raising them should really try to be a little understanding, because when the time comes, they will be in the exact situations. No kids are perfect. Even the best ones act like assholes in public once in a while.

/ And my kids are grown now. And they both hate kids.

You said that people without kids don't know shiat about parenting. This means you believe they should not criticize your parenting. The next logical step is that they should not criticize the actions of your children which are caused by your parenting. How is that a leap from what you said originally?


For god's sake, dude. Get over it. Life is full of little inconveniences and annoyances. If every time someone's kid misbehaves in a supermarket or plane to where it makes your farking life so miserable, maybe you should just lock yourself in your house 24/7 so you don't have to get yourself all worked up over it. Your annoyance isn't going to change how people raise their kids. I was just saying maybe try to have a little understanding? And yes, I'm going to criticize kids' actions caused by bad parenting if the farking kids are stealing, murdering, etc...not crying too much when you are trying to enjoy your grand slam at Denny's. Get some perspective.
 
2013-04-01 09:15:23 PM
Cool story: Kids from 3 doors down, 4 and 6 years old, routinely wonder around the neighborhood including through my garage and backyard.  On occaision, they have ended up watching me work on my truck, none of which bothers me at all.  However, one of the benefits to being childless is the ability to use whatever language I like, while in my own garage.  As a result, the little nose-miners get an expanded vocabulary.  After one of them went home and called their mom "twatwaffle," mom herself comes storming over, furious with me.  I told her that curseless babysitting was $20 per hour, and curse-full was free.  They haven't been back.
 
2013-04-01 09:15:25 PM

Babbs: I get more annoyed at inconsiderate adults than I do with kids. At least the kids have an excuse..they're KIDS.


I get annoyed with adults who think that just because they have kids that they also have a right to be inconsiderate to other adults in public areas.
 
2013-04-01 09:15:26 PM

timujin: treecologist: I must go to the right restaurants - I never hear or see screaming kids. How often does this really happen, and is it worth biatching about? My family and I eat out once a week, on a average, and screaming kids are never part of the equation.

It hasn't happened to me often, but a few years ago I was in a restaurant and the parents were having after dinner coffee with another couple.  Three friends and I were the only other people in that section of the restaurant, which was a lowered area on the other side of the kitchen from the main part of the restaurant.  Their three kids were running around the section, climbing on chairs, running across the tops of tables, climbing over booths.  At one point one of the kids started emptying a ketchup bottle on a table and then poured an entire shaker of salt on it.  The parents never batted an eye.

I still don't know why the people running the restaurant didn't say anything, but my friends and I put up with it for about ten minutes, saw that it wasn't going to get any better, and left.

I've seen kids wailing and being ornery, but that was the single worst bit of acting out I've ever witnessed.


When I was little (maybe 6 or 7)  my mom and my aunt took me, my brother, and a bunch of my cousins to KMart.  This was back in the day when the KMart by my aunt's house had a full service cafeteria, with trays and real dishes.  After we got our food, my mom and aunt left us kids at the cafeteria in the "care" of the oldest cousin who was about 12 at the time.  So cousin Mary is there with about 6 kids ranging from 6 year old me to 12.  And in this pack of monsters is my cousin Jeff, the bad one who should have gone to jail and somehow never has.

We started an epic food fight....bowls of chocolate pudding, french fries everywhere, ketchup.  I still remember the bowl of pudding winging towards my head, 35 years later.  It was magnificent.
 
2013-04-01 09:16:15 PM

Donnchadha: ArcadianRefugee: May be a condescending urban douchebag, but not having children doesn't prevent one from knowing better than some people who do, any more than a research scientist needs to inject himself with Drug X to study its effect on people.

It's a little thing called "observation" and, over time, it enables you to realize who the shiatty parents are, and why.

Oh, no, no, no....

Until you have a child....

Until you have a child... you do not and cannot understand

I don't care if you're a 50 year old childcare professional with 25 years of experience dealing with hundreds of children, just none of them your own. I'm a 16 year girl who got teen pregnant and that makes me infinitely more mature and responsible than you.



Ummmmmmmm no. It's makes you a 16 year old fornicator who was too stupid to use birth control.

And a few other things I'm sure you are aware of.
 
2013-04-01 09:16:31 PM

cranched: It's like all those New Yorker articles written by a guy who never left the city until the age of 42 when he buys a house in Connecticut and does 2000 words on the joys of hammering a nail.


Hammering a nail is a Zen like experience. That sharp point digging into that hard wood with every strike...
 
2013-04-01 09:16:33 PM

Sensei Can You See: During the screaming, though, I got lots of nasty looks from other passengers. Well, what the hell was I supposed to do?


Not be a cockbag and forgoe flying with your child until it is old enough to be able to behave in public.
 
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