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(Lowell Sun)   Lowell, Mass. police union agrees to let city start tracking location of police cars in return for retroactive .25% pay increase   (lowellsun.com) divider line 22
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2013-04-01 10:39:48 AM
6 votes:
FTA: "The leadership of the Patrolmen's Union, which represents 170 members, had previously expressed concerns that the information the GPS devices provide would be used for officer discipline."
 
It should be used for officer discipline if the situation warrants it.
2013-04-01 11:05:32 AM
5 votes:

redmid17: FTA: "The leadership of the Patrolmen's Union, which represents 170 members, had previously expressed concerns that the information the GPS devices provide would be used for officer discipline."
 
It should be used for officer discipline if the situation warrants it.


The leadership of the union should have been punched in the dick alongside with every officer that was willing to actually say out loud that they were concerned that people would be able to tell when they were not doing their job and punish them for it. Then they should have installed the GPS units and used them exclusively for officer discipline.
2013-04-01 10:40:42 AM
5 votes:
There should have been no negotiation on this.  The GPS units would be installed in the cars which belong to the city, not under the skin of the police officers.
2013-04-01 10:58:34 AM
3 votes:
If you're not doing anything wrong, there is no need to worry. Amirite officer?
2013-04-01 10:46:18 AM
3 votes:
Cop:  Citizen, we need to be able to invade your privacy.  For your safety and ours.  Surely, you don't care if we know who you call or where you go, right?  After all, you have nothing to hide.
 
City:  Cops, we need to be able to invade your privacy.  For your safety and ours.
Cop:  OH HELL NO!
2013-04-01 10:39:26 AM
2 votes:
I'm not sure of the entanglements, but couldn't the city just say, "We track you, or you're all fired."
2013-04-01 08:43:48 PM
1 votes:
Disband all police unions immediately.

Unions protect the worst of the worst; some of the arguments that I've seen police unions put up in defense of obviously wrong illegal and immoral behavior by 'police' are so disgustingly laughable I could puke.
2013-04-01 03:35:51 PM
1 votes:

lizyrd: What it has to do with is bargained contract labor, and that one side cannot just go and change the conditions of the workplace. Changes have to be negotiated.

Sorry, contracts don't get unilaterally modified by one party just because it seems like a good idea to most people.


fark them.  Then their unions are too powerful.  This has zero effect on the "conditions of the workplace."  What it does do is make our noble public servants with the guns and the pensions more accountable.  If your union can "negotiate" (that's a gentle word for public employee unions, since what they really do is hold the public hostage with threats of a strike) to get a retroactive pay raise for future GPS tracking of taxpayer-funded property, your union is too powerful.
2013-04-01 02:02:35 PM
1 votes:

redmid17: FTA: "The leadership of the Patrolmen's Union, which represents 170 members, had previously expressed concerns that the information the GPS devices provide would be used for officer discipline."
 
It should be used for officer discipline if the situation warrants it.


Reply should have been, "Which members are concerned that such information would be cause for discipline? We want to do their cars first."
2013-04-01 12:36:20 PM
1 votes:
Demanding a raise when your employer wants to verify you're doing your job means only one thing, you're not doing your job in the first place.
2013-04-01 12:06:01 PM
1 votes:
I'm generally ok with unions, but I just about can't stand police unions. I get that they want to use their collective influence to make things better for the officers, but how protecting the integrity of their members doesn't factor into that equation blows my mind. It seems like every time I read a story where a police union is involved it has something to do with either getting some law breaking or job neglecting cop his job back after he was fired, or it's trying to bar municipal governments from holding officers accountable, or it's trying to prevent making cops beholden to the laws they enforce. Fark police unions. I think half the reason some of the really bad cops out there are as bad as they are is that they know the union will protect them no matter what they do.
2013-04-01 11:58:49 AM
1 votes:
Government employees with collective bargaining seems to go hand in hand with massive debt and deficit.
2013-04-01 11:52:46 AM
1 votes:
When my local PD went for the GPS in the cars it was sold to the taxpayers as a way to see which vehicles were where so dispatch could properly assign officers to calls based on where they happened to be at the time.
2013-04-01 11:26:30 AM
1 votes:
Filthy pigs want bribes. At least I kow how to get out of a speeding ticket there.
2013-04-01 11:26:14 AM
1 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: Cop:  Citizen, we need to be able to invade your privacy.  For your safety and ours.  Surely, you don't care if we know who you call or where you go, right?  After all, you have nothing to hide.
 
City:  Cops, we need to be able to invade your privacy.  For your safety and ours.
Cop:  OH HELL NO!


This
2013-04-01 11:08:55 AM
1 votes:

namegoeshere: Lowell, MA needs to keep tabs on its officers.


Technically they want to keep tabs on the police cars, which they happen to own.
Its not like we're asking the cops to wear a radio tracking collar.
 
I don't see why its a union issue. 
Is the state not entitled to know where all of its vehicles are?
2013-04-01 11:06:07 AM
1 votes:

madgonad: A GPS is kind of like having an open internet connection at work. If they want to fire you for whatever reason all you have to do is check what websites an employee has visited and there is likely to be something inappropriate. The same thing with a GPS. You can look at the data and make up your own reason to fit a pattern. I really do like the wristwatch technology mentioned earlier. It provides all of the same tracking abilities, but it provides a great deal of personal protection as well.


It's also nifty in that the officer can dump his GPS log for the day to his own laptop and use it when filing a patrol report.  It shows his route for the day on the map and the software lets him link patrol reports to points just like how you mark way points on the map.  So the officers get some administrative protection in that he can explain why he did circles around a parking lot for 15 minutes or whatever other odd behaviors might be noted.  Lets him document his side of the story.
2013-04-01 10:57:04 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: The leadership of the Patrolmen's Union, which represents 170 members, had previously expressed concerns that the information the GPS devices provide would be used for officer discipline.
 
Union President Dennis Moriarty had said the union also did not want the data from the GPS devices stored, and would only approve the use of the devices with certain stipulations.
 
What's the problem, unless you've got something to hide?


A GPS is kind of like having an open internet connection at work. If they want to fire you for whatever reason all you have to do is check what websites an employee has visited and there is likely to be something inappropriate. The same thing with a GPS. You can look at the data and make up your own reason to fit a pattern. I really do like the wristwatch technology mentioned earlier. It provides all of the same tracking abilities, but it provides a great deal of personal protection as well.
2013-04-01 10:52:30 AM
1 votes:

namegoeshere: Lowell, MA needs to keep tabs on its officers.


Given the crime rate in the area, this doesn't surprise me.
2013-04-01 10:51:15 AM
1 votes:
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2013-04-01 10:46:44 AM
1 votes:
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2013-04-01 10:46:27 AM
1 votes:

The leadership of the Patrolmen's Union, which represents 170 members, had previously expressed concerns that the information the GPS devices provide would be used for officer discipline.

 

Union President Dennis Moriarty had said the union also did not want the data from the GPS devices stored, and would only approve the use of the devices with certain stipulations.

 

What's the problem, unless you've got something to hide?

 
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