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(WTAE)   Once again, the SWAT team kicks in the front door and back window of a house to capture a murder suspect. Of course they got the wrong house. They had all night surveillance teams on it. Good thing she didn't have a dog   (wtae.com ) divider line
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2013-04-01 09:13:06 AM  
Police are idiots
Film at 11
 
2013-04-01 10:36:30 AM  
Sounds about right.
 
2013-04-01 10:36:40 AM  
That's breaking and entering.  They all need to be charged with the crime and then prosecuted.
 
Wait, why are you all laughing?
 
2013-04-01 10:36:45 AM  
And this is why we need drones for surveillance. If they had enough drones in the air, they could have tracked the suspect better and known which house he was in.
 
2013-04-01 10:37:58 AM  
Good thing for those no-knock warrants or the evil doers might have flushed the evidence and gotten away with it.
 
2013-04-01 10:38:00 AM  
Take a walk through your community and get a good look at just how ignorant or intelligent your neighbors are. The police are recruited from this group and the standards are not as strict as you would think.
 
2013-04-01 10:38:19 AM  
At least the police thought they were sending in the jackbooted thugs after a murder suspect. Which is better than when they send in a paramilitary force to serve a tax lien or something. Here, it was human error as opposed to institutional assholery.
 
2013-04-01 10:38:33 AM  
<i>Police eventually took one person from the neighboring unit, but apparently haven't caught the actual shooter: on Saturday night, a homicide warrant was issued for 22-year-old Michael Lyons.</i>
 
So basically they just breached two homes, first the wrong one and then one of a possible associate, without actually ensuring that the suspect was there first.  That's some Mickey Mouse level stuff there.  
 
/or he was there and hauled ass out the back door while they were kicking down the wrong door
//this is why you stake the place out and wait for the guy to come out for a smoke or his buddy to go out and come back with dinner for two
 
2013-04-01 10:40:19 AM  

cig-mkr: And this is why we need drones for surveillance. If they had enough drones in the air, they could have tracked the suspect better and known which house he was in.

 
Yeah, right until you start to see articles about how "three gangbangers were on their way to totally do a drive-by in front of an orphanage so the police wisely used a hellfire launched from a drone to take them out."
 
You will be totally forgiven if you miss the follow-up 1 inch square article about how the gangbangers turn out to be a husband and wife and a 2 YO in a carseat.
 
2013-04-01 10:41:05 AM  

ha-ha-guy: <i>Police eventually took one person from the neighboring unit, but apparently haven't caught the actual shooter: on Saturday night, a homicide warrant was issued for 22-year-old Michael Lyons.</i>
 
So basically they just breached two homes, first the wrong one and then one of a possible associate, without actually ensuring that the suspect was there first.  That's some Mickey Mouse level stuff there.  
 
/or he was there and hauled ass out the back door while they were kicking down the wrong door
//this is why you stake the place out and wait for the guy to come out for a smoke or his buddy to go out and come back with dinner for two


The story seems to imply there WAS a stake out.  Maybe the SWAT team was just bored and needed something to do.
 
2013-04-01 10:45:36 AM  

ampoliros: Take a walk through your community and get a good look at just how ignorant or intelligent your neighbors are. The police are recruited from this group and the standards are not as strict as you would think.


Not only that, but consider this: Police are often following tips and leads from that same community. How many of your neighbors would you trust to get their own address right, let alone anyone their neighbor's?
 
Now take that flawed information and filter it through a few more idiots and this is what happens.
 
2013-04-01 10:46:49 AM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: ampoliros: Take a walk through your community and get a good look at just how ignorant or intelligent your neighbors are. The police are recruited from this group and the standards are not as strict as you would think.

Not only that, but consider this: Police are often following tips and leads from that same community. How many of your neighbors would you trust to get their own address right, let alone anyone their neighbor's?
 
Now take that flawed information and filter it through a few more idiots and this is what happens.


Not sure how that slipped in their. My subconscious must have taken the wheel.
 
2013-04-01 10:47:57 AM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Agent Smiths Laugh: ampoliros: Take a walk through your community and get a good look at just how ignorant or intelligent your neighbors are. The police are recruited from this group and the standards are not as strict as you would think.

Not only that, but consider this: Police are often following tips and leads from that same community. How many of your neighbors would you trust to get their own address right, let alone anyone their neighbor's?
 
Now take that flawed information and filter it through a few more idiots and this is what happens.

Not sure how that slipped in their. My subconscious must have taken the wheel.


there*
 
Okay (sigh) at this point I'll just concede defeat and admit I've not had my coffee.
 
2013-04-01 10:51:59 AM  

Surpheon: Here, it was human error as opposed to institutional assholery.


According to Krathnar's Razor, "Never ascribe to idiocy, that which can be explained by the systemic corruption incrementally built into a government that has experienced unbroken continued existence for more than 50 years."
 
2013-04-01 10:54:38 AM  

Surpheon: At least the police thought they were sending in the jackbooted thugs after a murder suspect. Which is better than when they send in a paramilitary force to serve a tax lien or something. Here, it was human error as opposed to institutional assholery.


Can't we do away with both?
 
2013-04-01 10:56:15 AM  

ampoliros: Take a walk through your community and get a good look at just how ignorant or intelligent your neighbors are. The police are recruited from this group and the standards are not as strict as you would think.


They still have their standards. Anyone with an IQ over 90 is not hired. Police departments want obedient robots, not thinkers.
 
2013-04-01 10:59:06 AM  
A number of gun owners have been killed because of mistakes like this. If someone smashes my bedroom window at 2am, my first reaction is to get my gun. I'd probably be too groggy to fully comprehend what is going on until I've already been shot 60-70 times.
 
I understand the need for these, but it's just very very dangerous. I think these shouldn't be done unless absolutely necessary (hostages, immediate need, etc). This wasn't it at all FTFA - sounds more like they wanted their SWAT team to keep in practice and figured this would be a low risk capture.
 
2013-04-01 11:00:16 AM  
Im still waiting for the big one...when they pull this on an armed homeowner/resident who thinks they are being robbed and starts shooting. That ones gonna end bad for everyone.
 
/almost shocked it hasnt happened yet
 
2013-04-01 11:02:15 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: That's breaking and entering.  They all need to be charged with the crime and then prosecuted.
 
Wait, why are you all laughing?


I'd be satisfied if they paid to replace the window and door, which they typically do not.
 
2013-04-01 11:10:41 AM  
Nothing like making enough racket to let them know your close.
 
So they get away and someones standing there with thumb up their ......
 
2013-04-01 11:12:22 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: Im still waiting for the big one...when they pull this on an armed homeowner/resident who thinks they are being robbed and starts shooting. That ones gonna end bad for everyone.
 
/almost shocked it hasnt happened yet


It has happened, more than once.  The homeowner ends up dead or in prison, every time.
 
2013-04-01 11:13:18 AM  
"I'm looking for an explanation for how you do surveillance on a house all night, and then you hit the wrong one from the front," Glover said.

Don't hold your breath, lady.
 
2013-04-01 11:14:42 AM  

duenor: A number of gun owners have been killed because of mistakes like this. If someone smashes my bedroom window at 2am, my first reaction is to get my gun. I'd probably be too groggy to fully comprehend what is going on until I've already been shot 60-70 times.
 
I understand the need for these, but it's just very very dangerous. I think these shouldn't be done unless absolutely necessary (hostages, immediate need, etc). This wasn't it at all FTFA - sounds more like they wanted their SWAT team to keep in practice and figured this would be a low risk capture.


Plus it isn't like I've ever done anything that would mandate SWAT coming for me.  Unless my wife managed to forget a parking ticket for an impressively long amount of time and AAPD is coming for me over it.  I'd assume about a 60% chance it was a home invasion with the guys yelling police to confuse me or slow my reaction and a 40% chance it was legit cops.  I'd likely get shot either reaching for the gun or when I refused to put it down until they proved they were cops.
 
2013-04-01 11:17:30 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: Im still waiting for the big one...when they pull this on an armed homeowner/resident who thinks they are being robbed and starts shooting. That ones gonna end bad for everyone.
 
/almost shocked it hasnt happened yet


It has. Several times. The article is missing now, but IIRC the guy who killed one of the police said he was protecting his daughter from armed intruders and is on death row for it.

This articlemay be related.
 
2013-04-01 11:20:07 AM  
CLOSE BUT NO DOUGHNUT, COPS!
 
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-01 11:24:18 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: That's breaking and entering.  They all need to be charged with the crime and then prosecuted.
 
Wait, why are you all laughing?


Did they have a warrant? Because it does(shouldn't) count as "hot pursuit" anymore if you can't actually follow the suspect to where they're going. The police committed a crime and should be prosecuted.
 
2013-04-01 11:29:17 AM  
The suspicious bastard part of me really thinks, "accidental searches gone horribly wrong could be a great way for a corrupt government to shut up really annoying people...."
Not that I think that's happened, but the potential for corruption is there. Remember Richard Salazar?
 
2013-04-01 11:29:19 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Marcus Aurelius: That's breaking and entering.  They all need to be charged with the crime and then prosecuted.
 
Wait, why are you all laughing?

Did they have a warrant? Because it does(shouldn't) count as "hot pursuit" anymore if you can't actually follow the suspect to where they're going. The police committed a crime and should be prosecuted.


I assume they had a warrant for the correct house, this will get billed as a "good faith mistake", so no criminal liability for act.  They'll pay for the damage and maybe if the woman gets a good enough lawyer some extra money and leave it at that.
 
2013-04-01 11:29:40 AM  
www.whereexcusesgotodie.com
 
" ... and then we got laws passed to protect us from outraged civilian lawsuits when we fark up ..."
 
2013-04-01 11:40:40 AM  
Perhaps I'm not educated enough on the responsibilities of SWAT units, but shouldn't the blame be on the asshats running the stakeout?  It seems to me blaming the SWAT is like blaming the Army dudes breaking into a house of an old man because they were told Osama Bin Laden was hiding out inside.
 
2013-04-01 11:53:05 AM  

A Shambling Mound: Marcus Aurelius: That's breaking and entering.  They all need to be charged with the crime and then prosecuted.
 
Wait, why are you all laughing?

I'd be satisfied if they paid to replace the window and door, which they typically do not.


And they're probably immune from lawsuits, if I had to guess....
 
2013-04-01 11:59:17 AM  
Don't cops ever knock any more?
 
Also, if they were watching the house, they should have know who was inside and that it wasn't their guy?
 
2013-04-01 12:08:49 PM  

GORDON: Sultan Of Herf: Im still waiting for the big one...when they pull this on an armed homeowner/resident who thinks they are being robbed and starts shooting. That ones gonna end bad for everyone.
 
/almost shocked it hasnt happened yet

It has happened, more than once.  The homeowner ends up dead or in prison, every time.



Most of the time, but not every time.

Indiana has a law that specifically states that a homeowner can use deadly force against police who are at the wrong address.  http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Indiana-law-lets-citizens-shoot- a t-police-3612347.php

And this guy in Minnesota shot it out with them, lived, and wasn't even charged.   http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317398,00.html

Unlike most farkers I'm very pro law enforcement, but if they enter the wrong address and get shot then the resident should face neither criminal nor civil sanction.  I suspect most juries would acquit, but the problem is that the resident's got to live through the encounter.
 
2013-04-01 12:09:25 PM  
The goal is to make it to the point in life where you have a few acres, a fence around all of it and a nice gate with an intercom. And we're not talking about remote farm crap, this should be walled country club level stuff - the big house on the hill.

I have never, not once, read about the cops kicking in the door of someone who lives like that. Heck, here in St. Louis, when a local beer scion had a dead girlfriend in the house (cocaine OD), by the time the cops got the call, showed up, and were escorted in, they were greeted by the family lawyer.

/the cops prey on/keep the peons in line. They know better than to mess with the truely rich and powerful (that's the job of the Feds).
//Still a peon, but working on it!
 
2013-04-01 12:19:57 PM  
And people claim that slippery slope is a logical fallacy.
 
2013-04-01 12:29:13 PM  
On the plus side if that ever happened to me I'd be too out of it to start shooting at the police thinking it is a home invasion if they got my place as the wrong address. I guess that is what they are hoping for at shiat o clock at night.
 
2013-04-01 12:29:42 PM  
April Fool's!!!


Clara Glover just can't take a joke, that's all. The cops wanted to be a little early and beat the rush, so they got their gag in on Saturday.
 
2013-04-01 12:37:50 PM  
I'm sure there are dogs somewhere in that neighborhood that the cops could shoot. I mean seriously, do cops always give up so easily?
 
2013-04-01 12:42:22 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: Im still waiting for the big one...when they pull this on an armed homeowner/resident who thinks they are being robbed and starts shooting. That ones gonna end bad for everyone.
 
/almost shocked it hasnt happened yet


It has, several times, and always ends in the homeowner being blown to smithereens. Sometimes a cop is also shot to death.

Is it me, or does this seem to be happening a lot more often since Google maps was invented, instead of actually checking the numbers on the front door?
 
2013-04-01 01:20:22 PM  
iSultan Of Herf: Im still waiting for the big one...when they pull this on an armed homeowner/resident who thinks they are being robbed and starts shooting. That ones gonna end bad for everyone.
   
/almost shocked it hasnt happened yet


  I know I read about some cop in eastern Canada entering a home without identifying himself and the homeowner shooting him dead. The article made sure to mention the poor fella pissed himself during the ordeal.  Can't find it with google though, anyone help?
 
2013-04-01 02:10:06 PM  
They should dock the police officers pay for not properly doing their job.  Maybe that would put an end to these kind of mistakes and it would save the taxpayers from having to these cases out of court.
 
2013-04-01 03:33:34 PM  
This is what happens when blitzkrieg SWAT "no-knock" bullshiat replaces two uniformed cops with a modicum of common sense. SWAT was supposed to be for edge case situations that typical uniformed police couldn't handle without military tactics. Now, SWAT's used as the law enforcement "easy button," because, hey, they can.
 
2013-04-01 03:48:04 PM  
The dog always gets killed, I never watch a show with a dog in it except Lassie.
 
2013-04-01 04:06:25 PM  

JustGetItRight: Indiana has a law that specifically states that a homeowner can use deadly force against police who are at the wrong address.


That is all well and good.  Doesn't do you a lot of good when you are dead.  Unless of course you have lawful possession of destructive devices, claymores.   On the down side, if they are at the correct address with bad information you are just as...if not more screwed.
 
2013-04-01 04:31:06 PM  
Now wait a minute.  I once remember going to pick up my girlfriend for a trip to Bermuda, which I did and the trip was great, but found out later that I had actually gone to her neighbor's house and picked her neighbor up instead.  You know what is really weird about it, is that the whole time I was on the trip I just didn't remember my girlfriend's her breasts being so big.
 
2013-04-01 04:33:42 PM  

ideamaster: JustGetItRight: Indiana has a law that specifically states that a homeowner can use deadly force against police who are at the wrong address.

That is all well and good.  Doesn't do you a lot of good when you are dead.  Unless of course you have lawful possession of destructive devices, claymores.   On the down side, if they are at the correct address with bad information you are just as...if not more screwed.


The Indiana law says "unlawful intrusion," not "wrong address."  No warrant or an invalid warrant would serve as a defense, perhaps even if you had a kilo of heroin on your coffee table.
 
2013-04-01 04:39:16 PM  

duenor: The suspicious bastard part of me really thinks, "accidental searches gone horribly wrong could be a great way for a corrupt government to shut up really annoying people...."
Not that I think that's happened, but the potential for corruption is there. Remember Richard Salazar?


People that the government finds to be "really annoying" are also likely to be at least mildly famous.   And mildly famous people that get raided for any reason only become more famous...
 
2013-04-01 05:02:55 PM  

Maul555: duenor: The suspicious bastard part of me really thinks, "accidental searches gone horribly wrong could be a great way for a corrupt government to shut up really annoying people...."
Not that I think that's happened, but the potential for corruption is there. Remember Richard Salazar?

People that the government finds to be "really annoying" are also likely to be at least mildly famous.   And mildly famous people that get raided for any reason only become more famous...


Not only this, but GovCorp has developed the means to destroy reputations via media.
Why go to the trouble of a raid when you can simply drown them in bad press.

/Maybe a smaller time politico might try it.
/The danger of having head cops appointed is they come with political connections.
 
2013-04-01 05:10:46 PM  
way south: 
/The danger of having head cops appointed is they come with political connections.

The danger of them being elected is, they come with other connections.
 
2013-04-01 06:03:00 PM  
Agent Smiths Laugh:  Okay (sigh) at this point I'll just concede defeat and admit I've not had my coffee.

always refreshing to see a rational person rather than someone who'll do anything to avoid "losing"
 
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