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(USA Today)   Cut? Fine, but you must be warned. Ordering a cut bagel comes with an additional $ .08 surtax for "altered bagels". Welcome to New York   (usatoday.com) divider line 72
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2013-04-01 08:51:46 AM  
Oh like they don't have tax on prepared hog noses vs. raw ones or whatever it is you people in the rest of the country are eating.
 
2013-04-01 08:53:58 AM  
Prepared Hog Noses is my Primus cover band.
 
2013-04-01 08:56:53 AM  

I_C_Weener: Prepared Hog Noses is my Primus cover band.


Raw ones is mine. Thank goodness for that, we should have no conflict. Wouldn't want any confusion there.
 
2013-04-01 09:22:12 AM  
But I thought the Talmud requires all bagels to be cut.
 
2013-04-01 09:28:47 AM  
April fools joke, or who gives a crap its new york story. Decisions decisions.
 
2013-04-01 09:50:47 AM  
My local bagel place charges $0.10 to cut a bagel. They have a sign posted that states as much.

I'm in Maryland.
 
2013-04-01 09:50:55 AM  
coocooville.com
 
2013-04-01 09:58:03 AM  
What if I'm uncut?
 
2013-04-01 09:58:13 AM  
Have they been taking lessons from Quebec?
 
2013-04-01 10:01:43 AM  
FUCOUMO
 
2013-04-01 10:01:52 AM  
Does USA Today have enough of a sense of humor to publish April Fools jokes?
 
2013-04-01 10:03:37 AM  
The no income tax, no sales tax state of New Hampshire pulls stunts like this too.
 
Prepared foods are taxed at almost 10%. Nice surprise the first time you go out to eat.
 
15-20% tip + 10% sales tax.
 
Bon appetit!
 
2013-04-01 10:03:59 AM  
"Cut bagels cross the line and become a prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption, which is taxable," explains Carla Yrjanson, vice president of tax research and content for Thomson Reuters. "Uncut bagels are typically sold for home consumption and would meet the definition of a (tax) exempt food in New York."
 
The worst part about this is that I read the above paragraph and said "Hey, that makes sense".
 
2013-04-01 10:05:26 AM  
"Cut bagels cross the line and become a prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption, which is taxable," explains Carla Yrjanson, vice president of tax research and content for Thomson Reuters. "Uncut bagels are typically sold for home consumption and would meet the definition of a (tax) exempt food in New York."

So, sliced bread is a "prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption"??
 
2013-04-01 10:05:45 AM  
Hey, if you want the world's best public schools, you illiterate toothless incestuous homophobic wife beating racist, you have to pay for it.
 
Oh, wait ...
 
2013-04-01 10:06:40 AM  

Basily Gourt: The no income tax, no sales tax state of New Hampshire pulls stunts like this too.
 
Prepared foods are taxed at almost 10%. Nice surprise the first time you go out to eat.
 
15-20% tip + 10% sales tax.
 
Bon appetit!


Americans complaining about taxes is like a man complaining about his wife squeezing his hand too hard during childbirth.
 
2013-04-01 10:07:26 AM  
This is why I stay with cheese blintzes. You cut a blintz and you schmutz everywhere.
 
2013-04-01 10:10:56 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: My local bagel place charges $0.10 to cut a bagel. They have a sign posted that states as much.

 
I'm in Maryland.
 
Maryland is goofy like that.
 
2013-04-01 10:13:02 AM  
buy an uncooked pizza and request the we cook it for you , happens all the time. Useful for using EBT cards on such things.
 
2013-04-01 10:13:08 AM  
I schmere  never schmutz  a cut bagel obviously is going to go stale unless you schmere  something on it if you schmutz while you schmere your a putz
 
2013-04-01 10:13:13 AM  
North Carolina is contemplating about doing away with state income tax and taxing everything else to death.
Not looking forward to the ridiculous outcome. Cost of living used to be low here, let's see what happens.
 
2013-04-01 10:13:26 AM  
If you lose one customer over an $0.08 fee, you will never recoup it.
 
So you better be sure that 1) there are no alternatives around so you have a captive audience or 2) your bagles are so good that nobody will care about $0.08.
 
2013-04-01 10:15:02 AM  
It's important to have all bagels altered. Feral bagel packs wreak havoc on any ecosystem, especially in riparian zones, where they are known to attack large fish like salmon, whitefish, and even the elusive neufchateel.
 
Trust me, this surtax is a good thing. But it doesn't go far enough. There should be a maamtax to cover the female bagels as well. The most dangerous are the fertile ones - you can tell them apart because, after mating, they are covered in seed.
 
Disgusting creatures, really...
 
2013-04-01 10:16:12 AM  
"Cut bagels cross the line and become a prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption, which is taxable."
 
It's not a surtax, it's a sales tax.  Once you have someone put together food for you, it is now prepared food and subject to sales tax.  Don't like it, then ask for a whole bagel and a plastic knife, and cut it yourself.
 
/Same thing for a sandwich, you can order all the sliced meat and it's not taxed, but once you ask the deli clerk to put it between 2 untaxed slices of bread it now becomes taxed.
 
//what is the price of a bagel anyhow, like 40 cents?  so someone is wasting their time biatching over an extra 3.2 cents?
 
2013-04-01 10:19:45 AM  
Man, delta_minus isn't even trying anymore.

cig-mkr: North Carolina is contemplating about doing away with state income tax and taxing everything else to death.
Not looking forward to the ridiculous outcome. Cost of living used to be low here, let's see what happens.


Republicans take control of a state and want to replace taxes paid by rich people with taxes paid by poor people? This is my shocked face.

Gunderson: //what is the price of a bagel anyhow, like 40 cents? so someone is wasting their time biatching over an extra 3.2 cents?


Generally about a buck, maybe more ($1.50?) in the city.
 
2013-04-01 10:20:25 AM  
Meh.  I just bought MLB tickets from the team's site, and I got the "luxury" of paying $2 to print the tickets on my own printer.  Pick them up at will-call?  That'll be $4.
 
At least the $0.08 goes for someone actually doing something for me.
 
2013-04-01 10:21:11 AM  

fredklein: "Cut bagels cross the line and become a prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption, which is taxable," explains Carla Yrjanson, vice president of tax research and content for Thomson Reuters. "Uncut bagels are typically sold for home consumption and would meet the definition of a (tax) exempt food in New York."

So, sliced bread is a "prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption"??


If you buy a whole loaf of it? No, the idea is that you will take it home. If you buy 2 slices of bread from a bakery, yes, they assume you are making a sandwich out of it.
 
I do wonder if you bought a dozen bagels in a bag, but asked for them to be sliced, would they tax it?
 
2013-04-01 10:22:43 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
I prefer my beagles uncut, thanks.
 
2013-04-01 10:24:44 AM  
Here in BC, produce and other uncooked food has 0 tax, most prepared food including restaurant food has 5% tax. Non food has 12% tax.
 
2013-04-01 10:25:04 AM  

fredklein: "Cut bagels cross the line and become a prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption, which is taxable," explains Carla Yrjanson, vice president of tax research and content for Thomson Reuters. "Uncut bagels are typically sold for home consumption and would meet the definition of a (tax) exempt food in New York."

So, sliced bread is a "prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption"??


Two pieces of sliced "bread", filled with cream cheese and lox? Yes, it is.
 
2013-04-01 10:31:55 AM  

RminusQ: Man, delta_minus isn't even trying anymore.

cig-mkr: North Carolina is contemplating about doing away with state income tax and taxing everything else to death.
Not looking forward to the ridiculous outcome. Cost of living used to be low here, let's see what happens.

Republicans take control of a state and want to replace taxes paid by rich people with taxes paid by poor people? This is my shocked face.

Gunderson: //what is the price of a bagel anyhow, like 40 cents? so someone is wasting their time biatching over an extra 3.2 cents?

Generally about a buck, maybe more ($1.50?) in the city.


And the Governor just shut down the Latino Affairs Office too. He's just tying to save the state from financial ruin.
 
2013-04-01 10:32:08 AM  
When this sign:
-Bagel $1.50
-Bagel w/ cream cheese $2 (or worse, $2.50)
 
is fairly common, a $.08 surtax seems like a gnat landing on your inflamed mosquito bite.
 
2013-04-01 10:32:39 AM  

beta_plus: Hey, if you want the world's best public schools, you illiterate toothless incestuous homophobic wife beating racist, you have to pay for it.
 
Oh, wait ...

 
"The two highest-ranking states, Florida and Louisiana, received B-minus ratings...the ratings, which focused purely on state laws and policies, did not take into account student test scores."
 
Stopped reading right there.
 
2013-04-01 10:37:08 AM  

Jim.Casy: beta_plus: Hey, if you want the world's best public schools, you illiterate toothless incestuous homophobic wife beating racist, you have to pay for it.
 
Oh, wait ...
 
"The two highest-ranking states, Florida and Louisiana, received B-minus ratings...the ratings, which focused purely on state laws and policies, did not take into account student test scores."
 
Stopped reading right there.

 
Were the wife beating students angry about bagels?
 
2013-04-01 10:37:12 AM  
Get a doughnut, scone, eclair, muffin, etc. unless they think they are clever by taxing singles. Then get more and be the cool guy/gal with breakfast for everyone. Show them where they can stick those 8 pennies.
 
2013-04-01 10:44:43 AM  

Basily Gourt: The no income tax, no sales tax state of New Hampshire pulls stunts like this too.
 
Prepared foods are taxed at almost 10%. Nice surprise the first time you go out to eat.
 
15-20% tip + 10% sales tax.
 
Bon appetit!


Actually, the interesting thing is that food is not taxed (nor is rent or, obviously, taxes - which the whiny biatches claiming to be taxed 50%+ almost always miss; most of a normal persons income is spent on tax exempt items).
 
2013-04-01 10:46:16 AM  

Basily Gourt: The no income tax, no sales tax state of New Hampshire pulls stunts like this too.
 
Prepared foods are taxed at almost 10%. Nice surprise the first time you go out to eat.
 
15-20% tip + 10% sales tax.
 
Bon appetit!


Live Free Or Die!
 
2013-04-01 10:58:46 AM  

seniorgato: So you better be sure that 1) there are no alternatives around so you have a captive audience


fortunately, there is not that many bagel places in new york city.
 
2013-04-01 11:07:09 AM  

Gunderson: //what is the price of a bagel anyhow, like 40 cents?  so someone is wasting their time biatching over an extra 3.2 cents?


Yes, some people will biatch if their food is taxed an extra 10%.
 
2013-04-01 11:10:22 AM  
And in New Jersey you have to pay someone to pump gas for you.  Sigh.  In my day, you cut your own bagels and you pumped your own gas.
 
2013-04-01 11:11:50 AM  

seniorgato: If you lose one customer over an $0.08 fee, you will never recoup it.
 
So you better be sure that 1) there are no alternatives around so you have a captive audience or 2) your bagles are so good that nobody will care about $0.08.


Lets be real here...its 8 farking cents.
 
Oops, wait, I forgot, NY. Cheapskates. The elderly ones who wander here to FL are even worse. They will complain about 8 cents, then you overhear them talking about all the rental properties they bought after they retired from NY or Michigan. On top of Social Security, pensions, etc. Old farks are loaded, yet act like paupers.
 
2013-04-01 11:21:29 AM  

Radak: But I thought the Talmud requires all bagels to be cut.


Sounds like a mohel will be needed. Who's gonna hold the bagel while it's cut?
 
2013-04-01 11:27:36 AM  
In LA, if you go to Subway and order a $5 sammich, they will ask you if you want it toasted. If you refuse, you don't have to pay sales tax. A lot of people don't know this and just assume sales tax is always charged. Basically, it's the application of heat that makes it prepared food. 10% of $5 is 50 cents, so it's actually a rather substantial amount (especially if you are buying four or five). 
 
Now what I have not tried this with is sushi.
 
2013-04-01 11:43:27 AM  

fredklein: "Cut bagels cross the line and become a prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption, which is taxable," explains Carla Yrjanson, vice president of tax research and content for Thomson Reuters. "Uncut bagels are typically sold for home consumption and would meet the definition of a (tax) exempt food in New York."

So, sliced bread is a "prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption"??


You mean like a sandwich?  Yes.  The distinction would also prevent a person from buying cut bagels with food stamps.  The distinction is pretty much "meant to be consumed on premises."
 
2013-04-01 11:43:27 AM  

duenor: In LA, if you go to Subway and order a $5 sammich, they will ask you if you want it toasted. If you refuse, you don't have to pay sales tax. A lot of people don't know this and just assume sales tax is always charged. Basically, it's the application of heat that makes it prepared food. 10% of $5 is 50 cents, so it's actually a rather substantial amount (especially if you are buying four or five). 
 
Now what I have not tried this with is sushi.


I'm gonna call bullshiat. This may be true in some states, but certainly not NY or any I've been in .
 
2013-04-01 11:48:46 AM  
The subject matter reaffirms I hate NYC. 
 
I see a Hateful Republican meme by RminusQ - scooter, until you start flaming the Dems as well as the Publicans, your lack of comprehension is showing.  
 
There's only one side, The Party of Power.
 
2013-04-01 11:49:54 AM  

I_C_Weener: And in New Jersey you have to pay someone to pump gas for you.  Sigh.  In my day, you cut your own bagels and you pumped your own gas.


I just learned this the other day, when my MIL came back from helping out the Red Cross in NJ. She said she never got a clear answer as to why this is...I just thought it was so weird. Thanks for reminding me, need to go look that up...
 
2013-04-01 11:53:36 AM  

rogue_L_chick: I_C_Weener: And in New Jersey you have to pay someone to pump gas for you.  Sigh.  In my day, you cut your own bagels and you pumped your own gas.

I just learned this the other day, when my MIL came back from helping out the Red Cross in NJ. She said she never got a clear answer as to why this is...I just thought it was so weird. Thanks for reminding me, need to go look that up...


Exxon's corporate HQ is in NJ (or parts of it, or all of it used to be. Anyway, my dad used to work there) - I suspect it has to do with unionizing gas pumpers and/or corporate protectionism. Probably both, seeing as how that's how you get your shiat iron-clad protected from both ends.
 
2013-04-01 11:56:06 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: The subject matter reaffirms I hate NYC.

 
Because non-prepared food is sales tax exempt while prepared food isn't?
 
2013-04-01 12:07:18 PM  

Daniels: fredklein: "Cut bagels cross the line and become a prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption, which is taxable," explains Carla Yrjanson, vice president of tax research and content for Thomson Reuters. "Uncut bagels are typically sold for home consumption and would meet the definition of a (tax) exempt food in New York."

So, sliced bread is a "prepared meal or food sold for on-premises consumption"??

You mean like a sandwich?  Yes.  The distinction would also prevent a person from buying cut bagels with food stamps.  The distinction is pretty much "meant to be consumed on premises."


1) No one stands in a NYC bagel shop, eating the bagel. So much for 'consumed on premises'.

2) If the distinction is "meant to be consumed on premises", then make the distinction actaully be "meant to be consumed on premises", and not "cut or uncut".
 
2013-04-01 12:29:36 PM  

rogue_L_chick: I just learned this the other da, when m MIL came back from helping out the Red Cross in NJ. She said she never got a clear answer as to wh this is...I just thought it was so weird. Thanks for reminding me, need to go look that up...


I'm prett sure that officiall it's for "Safet and environmental reasons". Unofficiall it's probabl more along the lines of making sure that there are jobs for people who can't do better in life than to be a pump jocke.
 
2013-04-01 12:31:35 PM  

Radioactive Ass: rogue_L_chick: I just learned this the other da, when m MIL came back from helping out the Red Cross in NJ. She said she never got a clear answer as to wh this is...I just thought it was so weird. Thanks for reminding me, need to go look that up...

I'm prett sure that officiall it's for "Safet and environmental reasons". Unofficiall it's probabl more along the lines of making sure that there are jobs for people who can't do better in life than to be a pump jocke.


Y?
 
2013-04-01 12:35:15 PM  
04-01 filter.
 
2013-04-01 12:36:58 PM  

Radioactive Ass: rogue_L_chick: I just learned this the other da, when m MIL came back from helping out the Red Cross in NJ. She said she never got a clear answer as to wh this is...I just thought it was so weird. Thanks for reminding me, need to go look that up...

I'm prett sure that officiall it's for "Safet and environmental reasons". Unofficiall it's probabl more along the lines of making sure that there are jobs for people who can't do better in life than to be a pump jocke.


In most places we call those 'recycling centers' and we pay people to sort garbage when it reality it would be cheaper and better for the environment to put all the plastic into a landfill.
 
2013-04-01 12:38:07 PM  
s3.vidimg.popscreen.com
Well, first of all, there's 17¢ new-in-town tax, and there's 45¢ rowboat-under-the-wharf tax, and one dollar leaving-your-junk-lying-around-the-wharf tax, so all together, you owe the Commodore $1.87
 
2013-04-01 12:38:42 PM  
I think the law here in NH is even more ridiculous. Bagels 1-5 are considered a prepared food, ready to eat, and you have to pay a meals tax of 9% on them, but if you buy a 6th bagel, ah, well, you aren't planning to eat all that in one sitting, so the tax disappears.
 
2013-04-01 01:31:03 PM  

Basily Gourt: The no income tax, no sales tax state of New Hampshire pulls stunts like this too.

Prepared foods are taxed at almost 10%. Nice surprise the first time you go out to eat.


Same in California. I thought it was nearly universal. Few states would dare to tax groceries, but if you can afford to eat out, then you can afford to pay sales tax.

But when you try to define "eat out", you wind up differentiating on "prepared" vs "not prepared". And then how do you defined "prepared"? I'm betting everybody here comes up with a pretty similar definition -- if the seller did anything to modify the food between when you select it and when they hand it to you, then they've prepared it.

Where I live, if I buy a bun from the local bakery, and they ask if I want it heated first, I know I'm going to be paying sales tax on it if I say yes. At the coffee shop, it costs me sales tax to tell them I'm going to drink it in the shop, even if they serve it to me in the same paper cup either way.

It gets a little weird sometimes, but can anybody here come up with rules that would be a) fair, b) not weird, c) something bagel shop clerks could be expected to memorize?

Reading the list in the original article, I saw very little that struck me as weird.
 
2013-04-01 01:32:09 PM  
It's a liberal's paradise, that New York.
 
2013-04-01 02:03:00 PM  

Basily Gourt: The no income tax, no sales tax state of New Hampshire pulls stunts like this too.

Prepared foods are taxed at almost 10%. Nice surprise the first time you go out to eat.

15-20% tip + 10% sales tax.

Bon appetit!


Oh no!!! Not a 10% sales tax!!! Why that's unheard of.

You wouldn't survive in the Mid-Atlantic, then.
 
2013-04-01 02:03:35 PM  
California also taxes nuts based on temperature. If your nuts are at room temperature, they are not taxed. If they are heated, they are taxed.
 
2013-04-01 02:33:42 PM  

jimw: California also taxes nuts based on temperature. If your nuts are at room temperature, they are not taxed. If they are heated, they are taxed.


That's why so many Californians wear kilts.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-01 02:53:02 PM  
Even in "tax free New Hampshire" with no income tax and no sales tax there is a meals tax.
 
2013-04-01 02:56:12 PM  
welcome to the rest of the country.
 
2013-04-01 03:26:39 PM  
Here in Australia we have a similarly silly consumption tax with "raw food" exemptions which were put there by a minor party that doesn't even exist in any real way any more. But I get the feeling that if anyone had the guts to get rid of the exemptions our supermarket oligopoly would not take kindly to it.
 
2013-04-01 03:37:18 PM  

seniorgato: If you lose one customer over an $0.08 fee, you will never recoup it.
 
So you better be sure that 1) there are no alternatives around so you have a captive audience or 2) your bagles are so good that nobody will care about $0.08.


Does anyone care about 8 cents anyway?  Aren't you already paying 3$ for a bagel (plain, uncut)?

Or you could just do it the Cali way.  Plain Bagel 2$.  With cream cheese 3$, plus 12% tax, no matter which way you want it.
 
2013-04-01 04:14:35 PM  
How will I put my schmear on it?
 
2013-04-01 04:59:18 PM  

capilot: It gets a little weird sometimes, but can anybody here come up with rules that would be a) fair, b) not weird, c) something bagel shop clerks could be expected to memorize?


"Don't tax food".
 
2013-04-01 05:28:35 PM  
Food and Dairy laws are the Chinatown of regulation. In other words, forget it Jake...
 
2013-04-01 05:39:48 PM  
I know its not Jewish, but I like my bagels uncut.
 
2013-04-01 06:06:22 PM  

MindStalker: I'm gonna call bullshiat. This may be true in some states, but certainly not NY or any I've been in .


LA, CA. No bs, you can probably look it up. I used to buy subway a lot before going to work.
 
2013-04-01 06:41:44 PM  

beta_plus: Hey, if you want the world's best public schools, you illiterate toothless incestuous homophobic wife beating racist, you have to pay for it.
 
Oh, wait ...


imagemacros.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-01 07:49:22 PM  
Eight farking Cents.

Yeah, I'm outraged because for EIGHT farkING CENTS I'm actually going to cut my own bagel because I am ridiculous.

How about all you rednecks stay out of NYC?  I'm sure that they'll miss you terribly.
 
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