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(Truthout)   Iraq and Afghanistan wars will eventually cost the U.S. $4-6 trillion. Sadly, in 2003 we could have just bought both countries for half that amount   (truth-out.org) divider line 223
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2013-04-01 09:38:35 AM
Thanks Fiscal Conservatives!
 
2013-04-01 10:00:27 AM
But nobody would've died doing it that way.
 
2013-04-01 10:00:27 AM
$4 to $6 trillion EACH
 
2013-04-01 10:07:46 AM
 
2013-04-01 10:09:00 AM
Yeah Submitter...but even if we had bought them we would have lost the reciept. No returns, store credit only.
 
2013-04-01 10:15:10 AM
It's always cheaper in the long run to buy. Renting is if you plan on only staying there for a little while.


Sometimes plans don't work out.
 
2013-04-01 10:32:34 AM
We'll see who's laughing after the wars pay for themselves.
 
2013-04-01 10:33:43 AM

NateGrey: Thanks Fiscal Conservatives!

 
Afghanistan was always going to be hard-slogging. Perhaps I will be in the minority view here, but it was well-worth the effort until President Bush refused to do the job at Tora Bora and pissed away all the momentum by choosing to start a war with Iraq.
 
2013-04-01 10:38:48 AM

Mentat: We'll see who's laughing after the wars pay for themselves.

 
We forgot to take that extra step and steal Iraq's oil to pay for the blood of dead soldiers. That I learned from Donald Trump and T. Boone Pickens.
 
2013-04-01 10:50:20 AM
To quote myself from another thread:
 
I'm pretty sure Iraq paid for itself, libtardos.
 
Remember the Bush administration's assertions that the Iraq war would pay for itself? On March 27, 2003, Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz  the House Appropriations Committee that Iraqi oil would pay for the costs of the war: "We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon." In a press conference on Oct. 2, 2003, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld predicted: "The bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis-from oil revenues, recovered assets, international trade, direct foreign investment-as well as some contributions we've already received and hoped to receive from the international community."
 
Stop rewriting history, and such as:
 
"It is unimaginable that the United States would have to contribute hundreds of billions of dollars and highly unlikely that we would have to contribute even tens of billions of dollars."
 
Kenneth Pollack
National Security Council
September 2002
 
2013-04-01 11:03:10 AM
So Iraq and Afghanistan were for sale in 2003?  I am sure Saddam and the Taliban would have been hunky-dory with that?
 
2013-04-01 11:04:49 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-01 11:05:12 AM

SlothB77: So Iraq and Afghanistan were for sale in 2003?  I am sure Saddam and the Taliban would have been hunky-dory with that?


We were making payments for years. The balloon payment was due and we opted to refinance and keep making payments.
 
2013-04-01 11:06:14 AM

SlothB77: So Iraq and Afghanistan were for sale in 2003?  I am sure Saddam and the Taliban would have been hunky-dory with that?


Most regimes in the world, if not all, are perpetually up for sale as it is.
 
2013-04-01 11:07:40 AM
THANKS OBAMA!
 
2013-04-01 11:08:33 AM
But then that money wouldn't have been redistributed to key campaign contributors.
 
2013-04-01 11:08:46 AM

SlothB77: So Iraq and Afghanistan were for sale in 2003?  I am sure Saddam and the Taliban would have been hunky-dory with that?


yes, subby was completely serious about that.
 
That sound?  It was the point you missed.
 
2013-04-01 11:08:52 AM
B-b-b-b-but Bush!
 
//you god damn right But Bush, f*ckers.
 
2013-04-01 11:10:27 AM
WMDs? April Fools! LOL!
 
2013-04-01 11:11:52 AM

Somacandra: NateGrey: Thanks Fiscal Conservatives!
 
Afghanistan was always going to be hard-slogging. Perhaps I will be in the minority view here, but it was well-worth the effort until President Bush refused to do the job at Tora Bora and pissed away all the momentum by choosing to start a war with Iraq.


And you know, cutting taxes while fighting a war, and not including war expenses as part of his budget proposals.
 
2013-04-01 11:12:25 AM
But the Democrats are the ones with a spending problem.
 
2013-04-01 11:13:35 AM
With these kind of bills to pay, how dare Obama send his kids on vacation!!1!  Put away the credit card, 0blammy!
 
OH, THE ARROGANCE OF THAT MAN!!!
 
2013-04-01 11:16:25 AM

Lionel Mandrake: With these kind of bills to pay, how dare Obama send his kids on vacation!!1!  Put away the credit card, 0blammy!
 
OH, THE ARROGANCE OF THAT MAN!!!


Then that one time when he tangled up all my Christmas lights! The monster!
 
2013-04-01 11:16:35 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: It's always cheaper in the long run to buy. Renting is if you plan on only staying there for a little while.


Sometimes plans don't work out.


The problem is that there never really was a "plan," as such. Our occupation strategy in Iraq literally came down to:

1. Invade Iraq
2. ???
3. Profit!
 
2013-04-01 11:17:14 AM

Somacandra: SlothB77: So Iraq and Afghanistan were for sale in 2003?  I am sure Saddam and the Taliban would have been hunky-dory with that?

 
Most regimes in the world, if not all, are perpetually up for sale as it is.
 
Yep. I'll even go one step further and say it's true for all countries, not just regimes. Just look at who lines the pockets of congressmen in democracies.
 
2013-04-01 11:18:00 AM
"The single largest accrued liability of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is the cost of providing medical care and disability benefits to war veterans"
 
Seeing that we have been told by the almighty Paul Krugman himself that unemployment benefits for the unfortunate jobless are a wonderful stimulus to the economy and pay for themselves many times over, and that even compensation for the willfully lazy and thick is an economic stimulus so quit with the hatin', then paying for health care and disability benefits are also wonderfully beneficial, especially since they will benefit our veterans and will help fund medical advances.
 
The money was going to be spent anyway - at least I have to assume that it would have been, because never (outside of a few libertarians) have I heard anybody say "we could have taken that money we wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan and let the taxpayers keep it".
 
2013-04-01 11:20:56 AM

Gulper Eel: "The single largest accrued liability of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is the cost of providing medical care and disability benefits to war veterans"
 
Seeing that we have been told by the almighty Paul Krugman himself that unemployment benefits for the unfortunate jobless are a wonderful stimulus to the economy and pay for themselves many times over, and that even compensation for the willfully lazy and thick is an economic stimulus so quit with the hatin', then paying for health care and disability benefits are also wonderfully beneficial, especially since they will benefit our veterans and will help fund medical advances.
 
The money was going to be spent anyway - at least I have to assume that it would have been, because never (outside of a few libertarians) have I heard anybody say "we could have taken that money we wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan and let the taxpayers keep it".


If only the blessing of having your legs blown off had happened to you.
 
2013-04-01 11:21:37 AM
Gulper Eel: The money was going to be spent anyway - at least I have to assume that it would have been, because never (outside of a few libertarians) have I heard anybody say "we could have taken that money we wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan and let the taxpayers keep it".

No one would have seen any changes in their taxes over the years since 2001 anyway sine we basically put the wars on the figurative credit card.
 
But yeah, entitlements are the problem...
 
2013-04-01 11:22:47 AM

BMulligan: The Stealth Hippopotamus: It's always cheaper in the long run to buy. Renting is if you plan on only staying there for a little while.


Sometimes plans don't work out.

The problem is that there never really was a "plan," as such. Our occupation strategy in Iraq literally came down to:

1. Invade Iraq
2. ???
3. Profit!


I'm sure that Cheney's and Bush's bank accounts grew handsomely.
 
2013-04-01 11:22:47 AM
Which brings up the question: Can you still buy a country these days?
Just walk up to the enemy leader and say "How much you want for it?".
 
/If he asks too much, remind him its a fixer upper (or it will be, soon enough) and haggle down to a more reasonable price.
 
2013-04-01 11:24:11 AM
Just remember that the next time one of our fark cons starts telling you what's right.

These asshats have no idea what's going on and they have don't have the sense to just stfu.

Just a bunch of dittoheads who can go from "freedom isn't free!!!!!!" to "hey man!!! What's up with these damn taxes!!" overnight without an ounce of self-awareness.

/try to feel some shame for a moment Iraq war supporters. You f$cking suck.
 
2013-04-01 11:25:27 AM
It's a shame we can't just make the idiots who supported the wars pick up the cost.  Anyone who was called a terrorist sympathizer for rightfully predicting this outcome should get a tax break as an apology.
 
2013-04-01 11:26:35 AM

way south: Which brings up the question: Can you still buy a country these days?
Just walk up to the enemy leader and say "How much you want for it?".
 
/If he asks too much, remind him its a fixer upper (or it will be, soon enough) and haggle down to a more reasonable price.


Germany was able to pick up Greece at bargain prices.
 
2013-04-01 11:26:42 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: It's a shame we can't just make the idiots who supported the wars pick up the cost.  Anyone who was called a terrorist sympathizer for rightfully predicting this outcome should get a tax break as an apology.


[imokwiththis.jpg]
 
2013-04-01 11:27:13 AM
I've been assured that spending borrowed money is invariably good for the economy, regardless of what it's spent on. We should be thanking Bush & Co. Who knows what shape our economy would be in today without such a stimulus?
 
2013-04-01 11:27:31 AM

Gulper Eel: "The single largest accrued liability of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is the cost of providing medical care and disability benefits to war veterans"
 
Seeing that we have been told by the almighty Paul Krugman himself that unemployment benefits for the unfortunate jobless are a wonderful stimulus to the economy and pay for themselves many times over, and that even compensation for the willfully lazy and thick is an economic stimulus so quit with the hatin', then paying for health care and disability benefits are also wonderfully beneficial, especially since they will benefit our veterans and will help fund medical advances.
 
The money was going to be spent anyway - at least I have to assume that it would have been, because never (outside of a few libertarians) have I heard anybody say "we could have taken that money we wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan and let the taxpayers keep it".

 
That's because libertarians are fools when it comes to economics. The money for the wars was borrowed, there's nothing to keep.
 
2013-04-01 11:27:34 AM

BMulligan: The Stealth Hippopotamus: It's always cheaper in the long run to buy. Renting is if you plan on only staying there for a little while.


Sometimes plans don't work out.

The problem is that there never really was a "plan," as such. Our occupation strategy in Iraq literally came down to:

1. Invade Iraq
2. ???
3. Profit!


I'm not even sure they had step 3 planned.
 
2013-04-01 11:27:49 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: If only the blessing of having your legs blown off had happened to you.


Charming.

Now try answering my point on the merits. Tell me why some kinds of government spending are more equal than others, depending on who's got the levers of power.
 
2013-04-01 11:27:56 AM
And Libya only cost us a dead ambassador, a black sub-saharan genocide, and the destabilization of Mali in which we have to give the French logistical support.
 
Hope & Change!
 
/though I do give Obama full credit for ordering the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while invading the territory of a country that never attacked us using intelligence gathered through torture
//it was tough call to make but the right one
 
2013-04-01 11:28:43 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: That's because libertarians are fools when it comes to economics. The money for the wars was borrowed, there's nothing to keep.


We could zero out the defense budget and we'd still be running on borrowed money. Keep trying.
 
2013-04-01 11:30:07 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: That's because libertarians are fools when it comes to economics.


Like we have geniuses in Washington now?

Having mere fools in charge would be a step up.
 
2013-04-01 11:30:42 AM

beta_plus: And Libya only cost us a dead ambassador, a black sub-saharan genocide, and the destabilization of Mali in which we have to give the French logistical support.
 
Hope & Change!
 
/though I do give Obama full credit for ordering the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while invading the territory of a country that never attacked us using intelligence gathered through torture
//it was tough call to make but the right one

 
did that cost $6 trillion?
 
2013-04-01 11:30:43 AM
www.naturalgaseurope.com
 
"It was worth every penny!  10/10!  Would 'rebuild' again!"
 
2013-04-01 11:31:40 AM

SlothB77: So Iraq and Afghanistan were for sale in 2003?  I am sure Saddam and the Taliban would have been hunky-dory with that?


You bought this country with Citizens United.  Why not buy them too?
 
2013-04-01 11:32:08 AM

way south: Which brings up the question: Can you still buy a country these days?
Just walk up to the enemy leader and say "How much you want for it?".
 
/If he asks too much, remind him its a fixer upper (or it will be, soon enough) and haggle down to a more reasonable price.


Corporations have been doing it for years.
 
2013-04-01 11:32:14 AM

Gulper Eel: Philip Francis Queeg: If only the blessing of having your legs blown off had happened to you.

Charming.

Now try answering my point on the merits. Tell me why some kinds of government spending are more equal than others, depending on who's got the levers of power.


I apologize. I would have never made that joke if I had realized you were disabled. Your question makes it clear that you have a profound mental disability and are unable to comprehend even simple concepts like the notion that spending on foreign military adventures may have differing economic impacts than a simple domestic safety net.
 
2013-04-01 11:33:13 AM

beta_plus: And Libya only cost us a dead ambassador, a black sub-saharan genocide, and the destabilization of Mali in which we have to give the French logistical support.
 
Hope & Change!
 
/though I do give Obama full credit for ordering the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while invading the territory of a country that never attacked us using intelligence gathered through torture
//it was tough call to make but the right one


Nice try, shill.
 
j/k...that was pathetic
 
2013-04-01 11:33:31 AM

NateGrey: Thanks Fiscal Conservatives!


I'm so glad they balanced the budget and decreased the deficit through a deft use of tax cuts for the rich, oil wars for the rich, military contracts for the rich...
 
2013-04-01 11:42:05 AM

Featured Farker: LouDobbsAwaaaay: It's a shame we can't just make the idiots who supported the wars pick up the cost.  Anyone who was called a terrorist sympathizer for rightfully predicting this outcome should get a tax break as an apology.

[imokwiththis.jpg]


I second that notion.
 
The worse part is that now the bills on the credit card are starting to come due; many of the people who supported it the most and those who made the most money off of the war, do not want to contribute to paying the bill.  In an added act of douchebaggery, they want to place these costs on the backs of the working class who already sacrificed the most "bood" for these wars.
 
2013-04-01 11:46:58 AM
 Makes me wonder how much healthcare we could have provided for Americans with that amount of money.
How much alternative-fuel innovation we could have discovered.
How much of the deficit we could have paid down.
 
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