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(Talking Points Memo)   And on the 8th day, Big Business and Labor proclaimed throughout the land: WE HAVE IMMIGRATION REFORM and the people went "meh"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 35
    More: Cool, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, immigration reform, Tom Donohue, prevailing wage, Chuck Schumer, treaty  
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2013-04-01 09:41:48 AM  
Marco Rubio: Immigration Deal Reports 'Premature'

"Reports that the bipartisan group of eight senators have agreed on a legislative proposal are premature," said Sen. Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican who is among the lawmakers working on legislation.
Link

Schumer says its a go, who to believe.
 
2013-04-01 10:10:04 AM  

NateGrey: Marco Rubio: Immigration Deal Reports 'Premature'

"Reports that the bipartisan group of eight senators have agreed on a legislative proposal are premature," said Sen. Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican who is among the lawmakers working on legislation. Link

Schumer says its a go, who to believe.


I would tend to believe the guy who isn't constantly lying about his parents' supposed political asylum from Castro.
 
2013-04-01 10:19:50 AM  

NateGrey: Marco Rubio: Immigration Deal Reports 'Premature'

"Reports that the bipartisan group of eight senators have agreed on a legislative proposal are premature," said Sen. Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican who is among the lawmakers working on legislation. Link

Schumer says its a go, who to believe.


Dangit, I came here to say: "countdown to one of the group torpedoing the bill in 3...2..."
 
// getting things done? what on earth makes you think we were elected for THAT?!
 
2013-04-01 10:19:53 AM  
I'll believe it when it has been in place 6 months.  I'm sure it will be some idiot's campaign promise to undo it as their first act as president, even though as president they can do no such thing.
 
Speaking of which the Affordable Health Care Act passed, this is a Big Farkin Deal.
 
2013-04-01 10:20:00 AM  
Great, more brown people to fight over low-paying jobs with...
 
2013-04-01 10:23:49 AM  

MichiganFTL: Great, more brown people to fight over low-paying jobs with...


You weren't picking crops, cleaning gutters, being some rich brat's maid or roofing in the Dallas sun.  STFU and GBTW.
 
2013-04-01 10:23:49 AM  

coeyagi: NateGrey: Marco Rubio: Immigration Deal Reports 'Premature'

"Reports that the bipartisan group of eight senators have agreed on a legislative proposal are premature," said Sen. Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican who is among the lawmakers working on legislation. Link

Schumer says its a go, who to believe.

I would tend to believe the guy who isn't constantly lying about his parents' supposed political asylum from Castro.


I see what you're getting at, but I think the safer bet right now is on the guy saying nothing is going to get done.
 
2013-04-01 10:27:23 AM  

NateGrey: Marco Rubio: Immigration Deal Reports 'Premature'

"Reports that the bipartisan group of eight senators have agreed on a legislative proposal are premature," said Sen. Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican who is among the lawmakers working on legislation. Link

Schumer says its a go, who to believe.


Doesn't matter, since the House will rewrite the bill to institute mandatory death penalties for all immigrants
 
2013-04-01 10:27:42 AM  
Great so two organizations who do not have the authority to make laws strike a crap deal that they know will be torpedoed by the legislature.
 
Good job guys, you win the prize!
 
2013-04-01 10:35:35 AM  
I really like the idea of tying the visa cap to the unemployment rate.
 
which means that the provision will probably be stripped out.
 
2013-04-01 10:36:54 AM  

Famous Thamas: Great so two organizations who do not have the authority to make laws strike a crap deal that they know will be torpedoed by the legislature.
 
Good job guys, you win the prize!


One of which was the US Chamber of Commerce (conservative) and the other the AFL-CIO (liberal). Sen. Rubio already saying it's dead looks bad on Rubio and the Senate GOP, not Sen. Schumer and two partisan organizations.
 
If this wasn't designed to throw the GOP in Congress under the bus, then I don't know what else to call it.
 
2013-04-01 10:43:43 AM  

verbaltoxin: If this wasn't designed to throw the GOP in Congress under the bus, then I don't know what else to call it.


Lindsay Graham's last-ditch effort to remain relevant?
 
2013-04-01 10:44:38 AM  
Yay! Romney can become a citizen now!
 
2013-04-01 11:08:09 AM  
Immigration reform isn't the only important thing to Latinos.

Link
 
2013-04-01 11:28:12 AM  
Labor signing off on a deal is largely irrelevent. Most Dems don't give a shiat about what they have to say. But that they've come out and supported it means Republicans can't deflect accusations that their racist voting base is the only thing that stands in the way.
 
2013-04-01 11:34:26 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Immigration reform isn't the only important thing to Latinos.

 
So?
 
2013-04-01 11:46:53 AM  

Xythero: So?


So if the GOP thinks getting immigration reform through is enough by itself to boost support from this group they will be disappointed next election day.
 
2013-04-01 12:06:30 PM  

MichiganFTL: Great, more brown people to fight over low-paying jobs with...


If you're an American citizen older than 17 and may lose your job to an immigrant worker who just crossed the border, maybe you should be more concerned about the decisions you've made in your own life instead of looking to lay blame on someone else.

Maybe you were just being sarcastic or trolling, though.  It's so hard to tell these days.
 
2013-04-01 12:16:31 PM  

El Morro: Maybe you were just being sarcastic or trolling, though.  It's so hard to tell these days.


I try to walk that fine line and I thought it was a bit more overt, but hey, April Fools!
 
2013-04-01 12:18:13 PM  
Given the reputation that congress has faithfully stuck to, I'll treat this as a matter of "I'll believe it when the president signs the bill."

And even then, I'll wait until the damn thing is implemented fully.

As someone who observed attempts at reform, it can be quite consistent.
 
2013-04-01 12:40:58 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: So if the GOP thinks getting immigration reform through is enough by itself to boost support from this group they will be disappointed next election day.


So don't bother?

The fact that the GOP is shifting on this issue is a big deal.
 
2013-04-01 12:46:09 PM  

Xythero: The fact that the GOP is shifting on this issue is a big deal.


Absolutely it is. Getting reform through would be a huge win for everybody, regardless of party.
 
2013-04-01 01:03:22 PM  
At the peak around 2005, estimates are that about 2 million people were crossing the border illegally, or overstaying their visas, every year.  This was a time of relatively high employment.

This plan changes the existing cap on nonagricultural/nonskilled visas from a firm 66,000 to a variable ranging from 20,000 to 200,000 workers per year, depending on the unemployment rate.  In good times, that could bring in 134,000 new workers per year.

But recent history teaches that in good times the US labor market can absorb millions of new, foreign workers.  It also teaches that if the visa cap is too low, the workers just come in without a visa, so they don't pay taxes and can easily fall pray to intimidation.

So a plan that never allows more than 134,000 extra workers to get permanent visas per year fails to solve the problem; it is off by a factor of fifteen.

This new proposal only applies to "nonagricultural" labor, though, and many of the 2 million who came over every year at the peak were agricultural workers.  But many worked construction.
 
2013-04-01 01:03:40 PM  
Maybe these types of programs are good for the economy at large, maybe not.  I do wish however that people understand that ANY increase in labor produces downward pressure on all of our incomes, while increasing returns for non-workers (owners of capital).  I believe this effect is partly responsible for the increasing concentration of wealth in the US over the past few decades.
 
2013-04-01 01:23:06 PM  
Immigration reform is so low on my priority list ...

Step 1) Americanize everyone currently in the United States
Step 2) Turn the U.S./Mexican border into a militarize zone
Step 3) Move on to more important shiat

Our country is floundering right now and people seem to care more about immigrants then keeping us all above water.
 
2013-04-01 01:29:21 PM  

Lexx: MichiganFTL: Great, more brown people to fight over low-paying jobs with...

You weren't picking crops, cleaning gutters, being some rich brat's maid or roofing in the Dallas sun.  STFU and GBTW.


Actually did 3 of those 4 jobs mentioned during/after high school.

/ What we really need is to start levying massive taxation on any company that is outsourcing labor on a per head basis...
 
2013-04-01 01:32:10 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Step 1) Americanize everyone currently in the United States
Step 2) Turn the U.S./Mexican border into a militarize zone
Step 3) Move on to more important shiat


That's dumb.
 
2013-04-01 02:04:54 PM  
So the Republicans get an endless supply of cheap labor to keep wages down and Democrats get to expand the permanent underclass dependent on their programs.

Sounds like a win win.

/buh bye middle class
 
2013-04-01 02:27:58 PM  

cchris_39: So the Republicans get an endless supply of cheap labor to keep wages down and Democrats get to expand the permanent underclass dependent on their programs.

Sounds like a win win.

/buh bye middle class



Is it a coincidence that immigration hasn't been fixed by now?
 
2013-04-01 02:39:48 PM  

cchris_39: So the Republicans get an endless supply of cheap labor to keep wages down and Democrats get to expand the permanent underclass dependent on their programs.

Sounds like a win win.

/buh bye middle class


Yep, pretty much.  But then I guess you forgot who the pro-business "CEO pay is 380 x the average grunt" party trickle-down golden shower on your face" party is, didn't you?  Hint, look in the f*cking mirror.  And don't give me this underclass bullshiat, if these f*cking people wouldn't be so go damn greedy, you wouldn't have the "program dependency".  WHAR CAUSE / EFFECT RELATIONSHIP WHAR?
 
2013-04-01 03:08:09 PM  

nocturnal001: cchris_39: So the Republicans get an endless supply of cheap labor to keep wages down and Democrats get to expand the permanent underclass dependent on their programs.

Sounds like a win win.

/buh bye middle class


Is it a coincidence that immigration hasn't been fixed by now?


The US, where you can be anything you want to be, except:

Carpenter
Masonry
Plumber
Cook
Factory worker

Basically, if you like working with your hands, you are going to spend most of your life unemployed.
 
2013-04-01 04:09:44 PM  
Philip Francis Queeg:
That's dumb.


You're dumb.

See! I can say things without giving a reason or alternative too!
 
2013-04-01 04:32:51 PM  

pxsteel: nocturnal001: cchris_39: So the Republicans get an endless supply of cheap labor to keep wages down and Democrats get to expand the permanent underclass dependent on their programs.

Sounds like a win win.

/buh bye middle class


Is it a coincidence that immigration hasn't been fixed by now?

The US, where you can be anything you want to be, except:

Carpenter
Masonry
Plumber
Cook
Factory worker

Basically, if you like working with your hands, you are going to spend most of your life unemployed.


Well.... That certainly explains that.... And.here I thought it was worth letting me do it just to watch a woman do it.
 
2013-04-01 04:58:59 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Philip Francis Queeg:
That's dumb.


You're dumb.

See! I can say things without giving a reason or alternative too!


If you'd like me to examine your dumb suggestion more fully, i'd be happy to.

So we turn the US/Mexico border into a militarized zone.

!. We must reinstate the draft to provide the required troops.
2. We eliminate trade with a neighboring country.
3. Civilians, both US and Mexican are killed for mere presence near the border.

Do you need more reasons why it is a dumb idea?
 
2013-04-01 10:13:09 PM  
Hey AFL-CIO, your job is to organize migratory workers, not make it harder on them. Assholes.
 
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