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(NYPost)   When in NYC, some people stay at The Waldorf, The Pierre, The Plaza and the city's homeless shelters when they want four-star accommodations. Wait, what?   (nypost.com) divider line 26
    More: Asinine, Michal Jablonowski, Bowery  
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2013-04-01 09:08:51 AM
Not sure if April Fools, or just NY Post?
 
2013-04-01 09:11:04 AM
It's really true! There aren't that many homeless people in NYC, and they look really really clean and such...
 
2013-04-01 09:11:45 AM
This is either a joke or just sad.
 
3000$/month per person? C'mon. That is ridiculous. Hoping its an April Fools joke.
 
2013-04-01 09:24:37 AM
"You can arrive in your private jet at Kennedy Airport, take a private limousine and go straight to the shelter system, walk in the door and we've got to give you shelter,"
 
Oh yeah, I bet that happens all the time.
 
2013-04-01 09:26:12 AM

Mrbogey: This is either a joke or just sad.
 
3000$/month per person? C'mon. That is ridiculous. Hoping its an April Fools joke.

 
That's the only believable part of the story. "Taxpayers shell out $3,000 a month to feed, house and provide other services to each homeless person."  The "other services" part is the catch, when you add in emergency room visits, drug rehab programs, etc, etc. Yes most places spend over 3,000 a month per homeless person. The was an experiment a while back where they simply gave homeless people free room and board at a regular house, and cost went down because less ER visits/etc.
 
2013-04-01 09:27:33 AM

Mrbogey: This is either a joke or just sad.
 
3000$/month per person? C'mon. That is ridiculous. Hoping its an April Fools joke.


Considering inflated prices in NYC and including things like medical care, it's certainly possible.
 
2013-04-01 09:27:51 AM
Also this: The average stay in a city shelter is as long as nine months
 
Is nine months the average or are shelter stays as long as nine months? It can't be both. Hire an editor, NY Post.
 
2013-04-01 09:31:29 AM

Last month, Mayor Bloomberg blasted the 30-year-old city decree that gives free shelter to anyone who says they need it.

"You can arrive in your private jet at Kennedy Airport, take a private limousine and go straight to the shelter system, walk in the door and we've got to give you shelter," the mayor fumed.
And has that ever happened in the history of ever? No? The STFU, Bloomberg.

 
2013-04-01 09:34:25 AM
Nearly one in four of the city's single homeless people
 
Almost twenty five percent of an unnumbered subset of the group in question. Boogity! Boogity!

Do you actually have to be completely free of the thrall of even the simplest intellect in order to take the New York Post seriously, or is that just a suggestion?
 
2013-04-01 09:37:17 AM
It's not entirely BS, however - you cannot "just" walk to shelter. You can walk into reception centers, and they may assign you or assist you with returning to home, or you can get to Bellvue hospital and stay overnight to claim homelessness. Naturally, case workers are trying to push you out to find job and assist you in independent living, however i know quite few individuals who are exploiting system, because a) they are natural lazy bums b) they like to exploit system for their benefit and cheat for that. Medicare - yes, if you qualify. Clean and nice beds - may be in small shelters, in large ones - 12 ppl dormitories, some neighbors are fresh out-of-jail types, sexual abusers e.t.c.
 I mean, if you really, and i mean really don't care - you can "enjoy" shelter system.
 
2013-04-01 09:46:37 AM
News Corp. finds homelessness is fodder for April Fools Day. I'm shocked.

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2013-04-01 09:48:39 AM

greylion: I mean, if you really, and i mean really don't care - you can "enjoy" shelter system.

 
The fundamental problem is that this is just another one of those stupid right-wing canards based off the old "welfare queen" trope. They want to make it seem like because a few super lazy people have decided that living off welfare is "good enough" if it means they don't have to work that these people must be living grand lives on the taxpayer's dime.
 
They, of course, are not, which is exactly why there's so few of them. That's why nobody at the New York Post has quit their job to go live for free in a homeless shelter. Because compared to what you can get with even a basic level of employment it's utter dildos. Twenty-five grand may net you a tiny little apartment and only basic commodities, but it's still usually better than having to sleep on a cot next to a guy with bronchitis all night or between two people who are pin drop away from going on a stabbing rampage because the only medicine that can help them costs $5000 a month.
 
Practically speaking, it just doesn't matter. A few people game the system while many, many more homeless people with serious mental and physical health problems get a basic level of care instead of freezing to death in doorways or starving under an overpass.
 
Basically, right-wing nuts like those at the NYPost would like us to believe that because there are a few bad eggs in the carton we should burn down the whole chicken farm.
 
What's really annoying, though, is there are probably legitimate problems that could be addressed to improve the system for everybody involved, including taxpayers, but because these self-absorbed assholes just want to spend all their time bashing anybody who gets something they don't it's hard to tell what those problems are.
 
2013-04-01 09:52:52 AM
Well, let's assume this is the liberal ideal and this is what it costs. Is it worth it?
 
2013-04-01 09:54:59 AM

MindStalker: Not sure if April Fools, or just NY Post?


It's both. A joke laced with the over-the-top reactionary conservatism of the NYP.
 
2013-04-01 10:00:29 AM
The Waldorf is nice, but some of their decor in the older rooms is outdated.  Large floral prints and such.  I can highly recommend the Eggs Benedict off of the room service menu.
 
2013-04-01 10:07:01 AM
Yeah, no thanks.  I've heard that their concierge sucks.  But doesn't swallow.
 
2013-04-01 10:12:13 AM
Come for the free food, stay for the tuberculosis, bedbugs and mentally-ill companions!
 
TFA is BS. No one stays in a homeless shelter if they have other options.
 
2013-04-01 10:15:51 AM

PunkRockLawyer: TFA is BS. No one stays in a homeless shelter if they have other options.

 
Eh.... I would take that bet.
 
Functional drug addicts and alcoholics and a few just incredibly lazy weirdos.
 
The key here is that there aren't very many people who would do that unless they had to. Which is why digging around in a pile of human bodies until you find one to interview then basing the whole premise of your article on that one guy is so incredibly dishonest.
 
2013-04-01 10:58:06 AM

skozlaw: PunkRockLawyer: TFA is BS. No one stays in a homeless shelter if they have other options.

 
Eh.... I would take that bet.
 
Functional drug addicts and alcoholics and a few just incredibly lazy weirdos.
 
 
I would argue that one of the requirements to fit the definition of "functional addict" is that you're NOT homeless. Everything else is just really powerful denial.
 
2013-04-01 11:07:15 AM
"I'm going to get my teeth fixed."

I'm jealous. I'm in Canada, and the government will only pay, at  best, for "Emergency care" which amounts to taking out my teeth one by one as they give me too much pain to continue working for slave wages. My teeth are in very, very bad shape, hurt all the time, and are sensitive as hell. My front teeth are starting to go.

/If anyone has money going spare, someone needs it right here
//I'd bend over backwards to prove that it's for my teeth. lavenderd AT gmail DOT com if anyone can help.
///Yay problems with nutrition; I'm also down 60+lbs over the last year.
 
2013-04-01 11:18:14 AM

Pangea: I would argue that one of the requirements to fit the definition of "functional addict" is that you're NOT homeless.


But we're talking about people who choose to be homeless even if they don't have to be. You can be functional enough despite your addiction that you can work but still choose not to, just like the people who choose not to just because they're lazy.
 

LavenderWolf: ///Yay problems with nutrition; I'm also down 60+lbs over the last year.


Given that those two things are almost certainly not unrelated, can't you get treatment for the underlying condition which would likely improve the tooth problems?
 
2013-04-01 12:02:40 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: The Waldorf is nice, but some of their decor in the older rooms is outdated.  Large floral prints and such.  I can highly recommend the Eggs Benedict off of the room service menu.


The Waldorf Towers is much nicer though....but still no guarantee of complete satisfaction. One of our clients was a diplomat's wife...Mrs. Nickolas Ruwe(sp), and she and hubby used to stay in the top floor of the Towers. I had to deliver costume jewelry pieces that she bought from us. She told us that she was robber during daylight hours by a "delivery man". Poor thing opened the door and this fellow stuck a gun in her belly and said give me your rings....and she did. It was all very hush hush of course....happened in the 80's. N. Ruwe was a buddy of Nixon and Bebe Robozo.... Remember them....
 
2013-04-01 02:47:25 PM
3000 a person for shelter,food,and healthcare. I would say that is about accurate.
 
2013-04-01 03:10:50 PM
They should have interviewed Micheal's brother Haywood Jablonoski, he would have given us the meat of the story.
 
2013-04-01 04:25:58 PM
The Poor!  They're actually rich!  Commies, all of them!  Wharble garble garble!!
 
2013-04-01 05:06:04 PM

Cup_O_Jo: 3000 a person for shelter,food,and healthcare. I would say that is about accurate.


Better revise the poverty guidelines.
 
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