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2013-04-01 10:20:15 AM
Assuming this is real, how long until America has a horse meat in beef products scandal?
 
2013-04-01 10:23:05 AM

meat0918: Assuming this is real, how long until America has a horse meat in beef products scandal?


There was plenty of demand for horse slaughter up until 2007. I think a law got passed preventing those slaughterhoses, but I don't remember. Most of the demand wasn't domestic though. Went to places like france.
 
2013-04-01 10:27:06 AM
blog.frankcollison.com
Approves
 
2013-04-01 10:30:15 AM
As long as it is labeled as such, (imokaywiththis.jpg).
 
2013-04-01 10:32:47 AM
I'd imagine raising horses for meat is pretty uneconomical.  They need more space and food than cows and beef is already a lot more expensive than pork and chicken.
 
2013-04-01 10:34:41 AM
One handicapper license plate for subby.
 
2013-04-01 10:34:42 AM
Let me be the first to say "well done, subby."
 
2013-04-01 10:36:48 AM

meat0918: Assuming this is real, how long until America has a horse meat in beef products scandal?

 
This is real.  One of the local pro-family groups have been raging about this on the radio for months.
 
2013-04-01 10:37:41 AM

you have pee hands: I'd imagine raising horses for meat is pretty uneconomical.  They need more space and food than cows and beef is already a lot more expensive than pork and chicken.


Yea, right. Because mass farms now make sure that current meat animals have the space and nutrition they need to be healthy instead of just packing them into horrendous conditions and shoving them full of high-energy mush...
 
Never underestimate the ability of the human race to be absolutely horrible in the pursuit of profit.
 
/ nothing against eating meat
// would prefer mine weren't tortured its entire life in the name of higher profit before I eat it, though
 
2013-04-01 10:41:23 AM

meat0918: Assuming this is real, how long until America has a horse meat in beef products scandal?

 
As long as we don't have a beef in horse meat products scandal.
 
2013-04-01 10:41:38 AM
From Oklahoma, this is real.
 
People seem to be proud, we get to stick it to PETA and the libs.
 
My wife asked why we didn't get to vote on it.  I told her ballot measures in Oklahoma are almost impossible so the state legislature can do what it wants.
 
This is brought to you by the party of small government.
 
2013-04-01 10:44:10 AM

JolobinSmokin: This is brought to you by the party of small government.


I would say removing a restriction on slaughtering horses for meat is the definition of small government.
 
2013-04-01 10:44:40 AM

jack21221: Let me be the first to say "well done, subby."


Like beef, horse meat should never be well done.
 
2013-04-01 10:45:39 AM

redmid17: meat0918: Assuming this is real, how long until America has a horse meat in beef products scandal?

There was plenty of demand for horse slaughter up until 2007. I think a law got passed preventing those slaughterhoses, but I don't remember. Most of the demand wasn't domestic though. Went to places like france.


I remember that now.
 
And for the record, I'll eat horse, if it's priced right and labeled correctly.
 
Seems like a luxury meat though.
 
2013-04-01 10:46:39 AM

skozlaw: Yea, right. Because mass farms now make sure that current meat animals have the space and nutrition they need to be healthy instead of just packing them into horrendous conditions and shoving them full of high-energy mush...

Never underestimate the ability of the human race to be absolutely horrible in the pursuit of profit.

 
As you point out the animals I'm comparing it to are already raised in the minimum possible space.  The minimum possible space is more for a horse than it is for a cow and more for a cow than it is for pigs or chickens.  They have higher metabolic requirements and they grow more slowly.
 
I guess you could get some "cheap" meat out of people's retired riding horses and whatnot but that's going to get people burning down buildings.
 
2013-04-01 10:46:57 AM
sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.files.wordpress.com 
 
Oblig
 
2013-04-01 10:46:57 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-01 10:48:13 AM
As many times as I've been thrown and knocked around by horses, let me say that I'll be the first in line to buy horse meat if it ever becomes available to the general public, in Texas.
 
2013-04-01 10:50:36 AM
If it's anything like buffalo I'll be happy to throw it on the grill..

mmmmm buffalo
 
2013-04-01 10:53:04 AM
A taxi driver I was talking with in Iceland said that horse meat tastes horrible and that its a food only old people eat like lutefisk. 
 
I took this as a sign since Icelanders will eat just about anything too, but these are icelandic horses, not the clean shaven american version which may be more delicious
 
/csb
 
2013-04-01 10:54:34 AM
Horses are good eating. Since the invention of the Jeep and the motocross motorcycle, that's about all they're really good for, anyway. I fail to see any problem with this.
 
2013-04-01 10:58:52 AM
meat0918:
Seems like a luxury meat though.
 
only because of economies of scale.
 
2013-04-01 11:08:43 AM
I don't remember exactly what happened, but Oklahoma passed a law some time back that caused the prices of horses to plummet, resulting in mass abandonment of horses.  Now the state is filled with sick and uncared for horses, so they pass this bill to compensate.
 
And remember kids, Oklahoma is the only state in the union where not a single county voted for Obama.  Remember that when you whine about government not being the solution.
 
2013-04-01 11:15:54 AM

you have pee hands: skozlaw: Yea, right. Because mass farms now make sure that current meat animals have the space and nutrition they need to be healthy instead of just packing them into horrendous conditions and shoving them full of high-energy mush...

Never underestimate the ability of the human race to be absolutely horrible in the pursuit of profit.
 
As you point out the animals I'm comparing it to are already raised in the minimum possible space.  The minimum possible space is more for a horse than it is for a cow and more for a cow than it is for pigs or chickens.  They have higher metabolic requirements and they grow more slowly.
 
I guess you could get some "cheap" meat out of people's retired riding horses and whatnot but that's going to get people burning down buildings.


That's actually where most of these comes from.  Person buys horse, finds out horse isn't ride able, is mean/kicks, or is good for breeding, etc, and finds out they can't find someone to buy it off them.  So they ether have to pay for what's really a expensive pet, or they sell it at auction to someone who will have it slaughtered, just to be rid of it.  
 
It's considered a viable end of life option for many horses these days, which is why actual ranchers were pretty pissed when it was banned by the feel good types outrage.
 
2013-04-01 11:18:08 AM
People eat horse. It used to be very common in American stores. Nothing to see here other than the rage of PETA and My Little Pony fans.
 
2013-04-01 11:19:26 AM

Mentat: I don't remember exactly what happened, but Oklahoma passed a law some time back that caused the prices of horses to plummet, resulting in mass abandonment of horses.  Now the state is filled with sick and uncared for horses, so they pass this bill to compensate.
 
And remember kids, Oklahoma is the only state in the union where not a single county voted for Obama.  Remember that when you whine about government not being the solution.


We pretty much killed horse racing in Oklahoma (mix of Indian Casinos and off track houses) so fewer and fewer people are making money off horses. And as you may or may not know horse are very expensive to keep. I can see where there would be an excess of horse meat around.

And our local government found a way to get rid of it and it didn't cost the state a dime. Brilliant really. I guess we could have spent millions setting up government run ranches to take care of them.
 
2013-04-01 11:33:28 AM

Doctor Jellyfinger: People eat horse. It used to be very common in American stores. Nothing to see here other than the rage of PETA and My Little Pony fans.

 
2013-04-01 11:52:34 AM
When the US passed laws against slaughtering horses, the cases of horse abandonment skyrocketed.   Once upon a time, if people didn't want or couldn't keep a horse anymore, they would sell it to a slaughterhouse.    Once that option was gone, they would leave them.  No food, no care, until someone noticed and called the cops.
 
Bringing back slaughterhouses, funny enough, will improve care of horses
 
Unintended consequences, they are always there.
 
2013-04-01 12:44:04 PM

Doctor Jellyfinger: . It used to be very common in American stores


That's not at all true. In fact, it's exactly the opposite of true. Horse meat has always been taboo in America.
 
2013-04-01 12:46:31 PM

skozlaw: Doctor Jellyfinger: . It used to be very common in American stores

That's not at all true. In fact, it's exactly the opposite of true. Horse meat has always been taboo in America.


Not everywhere all the time, but you're right that it's taboo in America as a general rule.
 
2013-04-01 12:49:39 PM

redmid17: Not everywhere all the time


The point is that in the vast majority of places for the vast majority of time it has been. Far and away generally true enough to call the statement "[horse meat] used to be very common in American stores" patently false.
 
2013-04-01 12:51:18 PM

skozlaw: redmid17: Not everywhere all the time

The point is that in the vast majority of places for the vast majority of time it has been. Far and away generally true enough to call the statement "[horse meat] used to be very common in American stores" patently false.


His claim was patently false, but yours was 100% true either. That's why I added the qualifier "in general"
 
2013-04-01 12:59:26 PM
Has anyone around here actually tried horse meat? How was it?

As others have said, I don't really care if other people want to eat horse meat, I just want to be informed if the product I'm eating happens to contain meat from an animal other than the one think I'm eating.  I'm just curious if it actually tastes good...
 
2013-04-01 01:04:44 PM

skozlaw: Doctor Jellyfinger: . It used to be very common in American stores

That's not at all true. In fact, it's exactly the opposite of true. Horse meat has always been taboo in America.


seattletimes.com
 
2013-04-01 01:15:34 PM

stevetherobot: skozlaw: Doctor Jellyfinger: . It used to be very common in American stores

That's not at all true. In fact, it's exactly the opposite of true. Horse meat has always been taboo in America.

[seattletimes.com image 296x230]


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/opinion/05weil.html?_r=0

Choice excerpts:

" In 1951, Time magazine reported from Portland, Ore.: "Horsemeat, hitherto eaten as a stunt or only as a last resort, was becoming an important item on Portland tables. Now there were three times as many horse butchers, selling three times as much meat." Noting that "people who used to pretend it was for the dog now came right out and said it was going on the table," the article provided tips for cooking pot roast of horse and equine fillets. "

"Until the late 1970s, the Harvard Faculty Club served horse steaks as a regular menu item. The dish was abandoned only when the rerouting of Harvard Square traffic meant the delivery truck could no longer get through. A 1998 Harvard Crimson article on the history of the club states that "professors still recall the dish fondly."

"A similar situation unfolded in 1973, when inflation sent the cost of traditional meats soaring. Time reported that "Carlson's, a butcher shop in Westbrook, Conn., that recently converted to horsemeat exclusively, now sells about 6,000 pounds of the stuff a day." The shop was evangelical in its promotion of horse as a main course, producing a 28-page guide called "Carlson's Horsemeat Cook Book," with recipes for chili con carne, German meatballs, beery horsemeat and more. While no longer in print, the book is catalogued on Amazon. "
 
2013-04-01 01:26:29 PM
Meh
 
2013-04-01 01:30:12 PM

redmid17: but yours was 100% true either


As is the case with the majority of conversational statements. It's called a "generality" and it was sufficient as a response to the other poster's patently false statement.

You're not wrong, but your nitpicking isn't adding any value either.
 
2013-04-01 01:31:03 PM

skozlaw: you have pee hands: I'd imagine raising horses for meat is pretty uneconomical.  They need more space and food than cows and beef is already a lot more expensive than pork and chicken.

Yea, right. Because mass farms now make sure that current meat animals have the space and nutrition they need to be healthy instead of just packing them into horrendous conditions and shoving them full of high-energy mush...
 
Never underestimate the ability of the human race to be absolutely horrible in the pursuit of profit.
 
/ nothing against eating meat
// would prefer mine weren't tortured its entire life in the name of higher profit before I eat it, though


I'm ok with my food being tortured. It adds a special something..... like a flavor to it....I don't know if it's a shot of adrenaline or if fear has it's own special taste but damn it I tried free range chicken once and it just didn't taste the same.

/I'll take mine with extra fear
//Make it double fear
 
2013-04-01 01:33:07 PM

skozlaw: redmid17: but yours was 100% true either

As is the case with the majority of conversational statements. It's called a "generality" and it was sufficient as a response to the other poster's patently false statement.

You're not wrong, but your nitpicking isn't adding any value either.


Why do you keep editing my posts. There's a reason I put a qualifier on there in the first place. Your omission of my posts is actually taking away value, and you were wrong.
 
2013-04-01 01:37:17 PM

youmightberight: I tried free range chicken once and it just didn't taste the same.


Actually, you're right, it doesn't, but I suspect that's more because of what it eats and how it exercises than anything else.

/ plus I find you have to cook pasture-raised meat differently or its rubbery because of the lower fat content

redmid17: Why do you keep editing my posts. There's a reason I put a qualifier on there in the first place. Your omission of my posts is actually taking away value, and you were wrong.


Okay, whatever. I was wrong. You win.
 
2013-04-01 01:40:31 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Mentat: I don't remember exactly what happened, but Oklahoma passed a law some time back that caused the prices of horses to plummet, resulting in mass abandonment of horses.  Now the state is filled with sick and uncared for horses, so they pass this bill to compensate.
 
And remember kids, Oklahoma is the only state in the union where not a single county voted for Obama.  Remember that when you whine about government not being the solution.

We pretty much killed horse racing in Oklahoma (mix of Indian Casinos and off track houses) so fewer and fewer people are making money off horses. And as you may or may not know horse are very expensive to keep. I can see where there would be an excess of horse meat around.

And our local government found a way to get rid of it and it didn't cost the state a dime. Brilliant really. I guess we could have spent millions setting up government run ranches to take care of them.


You've been farkied. Snark Factor: 5
 
2013-04-01 01:44:01 PM
meh, its edible. I heard something in horsemeat not good for humans though?
 
2013-04-01 01:47:33 PM

JolobinSmokin: From Oklahoma, this is real.
 
People seem to be proud, we get to stick it to PETA and the libs.
 
My wife asked why we didn't get to vote on it.  I told her ballot measures in Oklahoma are almost impossible so the state legislature can do what it wants.
 
This is brought to you by the party of small government.


Maybe you live in Tulsa.

Horse abandonment is a real problem anywhere outisde of OKC and Tulsa. This is because owners either have to pay to have the horse put down (and they can't afford that) or just leave the horse with no additional food/care. Horse slaughter houses correct this problem brought on by the feelgood-do-somethingers such as yourself.

Keep your mouth shut and let the adults talk.
 
2013-04-01 01:47:54 PM
I'm okay with eating horse meat, I just want it to be labeled as such. I've eating far more "disgusting" things in my life.

/like you mom
 
2013-04-01 01:50:35 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: I'm okay with eating horse meat, I just want it to be labeled as such. I've eating far more "disgusting" things in my life.

/like you mom


Freudian slip or Oedipal lick?

You decide...
 
2013-04-01 01:51:03 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: /like you mom


Incestulicious
 
2013-04-01 02:08:50 PM

youmightberight: JolobinSmokin: From Oklahoma, this is real.
 
People seem to be proud, we get to stick it to PETA and the libs.
 
My wife asked why we didn't get to vote on it.  I told her ballot measures in Oklahoma are almost impossible so the state legislature can do what it wants.
 
This is brought to you by the party of small government.

Maybe you live in Tulsa.

Horse abandonment is a real problem anywhere outisde of OKC and Tulsa. This is because owners either have to pay to have the horse put down (and they can't afford that) or just leave the horse with no additional food/care. Horse slaughter houses correct this problem brought on by the feelgood-do-somethingers such as yourself.

Keep your mouth shut and let the adults talk.


Your so full of crap, I've lived in rural areas my whole life and horse abandonment isn't any bigger problem today than it ever has been.  This bill is nothing more than a way for one of  our state reps family to make money.

And when you find an adult, tell him to take the dick out of your mouth.
 
2013-04-01 02:11:26 PM
A definite HOTY contender. Subby should be in the winner's circle.

If your horse has run his very last race
and his legs are thin and bony
and if his meat is not too tough
Then he comes to Burger Pony.

(try the Seabiscuits and gravy).
 
2013-04-01 02:13:55 PM

JolobinSmokin: youmightberight: JolobinSmokin: From Oklahoma, this is real.
 
People seem to be proud, we get to stick it to PETA and the libs.
 
My wife asked why we didn't get to vote on it.  I told her ballot measures in Oklahoma are almost impossible so the state legislature can do what it wants.
 
This is brought to you by the party of small government.

Maybe you live in Tulsa.

Horse abandonment is a real problem anywhere outisde of OKC and Tulsa. This is because owners either have to pay to have the horse put down (and they can't afford that) or just leave the horse with no additional food/care. Horse slaughter houses correct this problem brought on by the feelgood-do-somethingers such as yourself.

Keep your mouth shut and let the adults talk.

Your so full of crap, I've lived in rural areas my whole life and horse abandonment isn't any bigger problem today than it ever has been.  This bill is nothing more than a way for one of  our state reps family to make money.

And when you find an adult, tell him to take the dick out of your mouth.


You should tell TIME magazine that. I'm sure they'll want to print a retraction.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1809950,00.html

Send a note to the NY Times as well

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/us/07horses.html
 
2013-04-01 02:14:31 PM
As long as it's tasty, who cares?
 
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