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2013-04-01 08:50:21 AM
The Catholic Church supports gay people?! Geez, the next thing you know the Church will accept evolution and the Big Bang as fact.
 
2013-04-01 09:14:07 AM
Despite the appeal for inclusiveness, Dolan said the Church is unlikely to reverse their position on same-sex marriage.

"Sexual love ... is intended only for a man and woman in marriage, where children can come about naturally," he said.



So they really want to get gays and lesbians in the door so they can tell them exactly how wrong and unnatural their love is?
 
2013-04-01 09:22:58 AM
Dolan plz.
 
2013-04-01 09:24:54 AM
Trying to change things up?
 
Clearly, he's trying to be an alter boy.
 
2013-04-01 09:27:34 AM
The church is like a creepy uncle that some kids make excuses for and try to love anyway, and some kids want nothing to do with ever again, and are counting the days til the funeral.
 
2013-04-01 09:45:01 AM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
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2013-04-01 09:54:53 AM
They have been getting behind gays for a long time, but it's interesting to see them coming out instead of keeping it in the rectories and the semenary schools.
 
2013-04-01 10:07:07 AM
y u do dis dolan
 
2013-04-01 10:12:13 AM
As soon as SSM door is kicked open, lets open the gates on multiples - 2 men married to one woman, 3 women married to two men think of the real freedoms here.
 
who says it wrong?
 
2013-04-01 10:14:05 AM
"We gotta do better to see that our defense of marriage is not reduced to an attack on gay people," Dolan said
 
Wow.  The cognitive dissonance in that sentence is deafening.
 
2013-04-01 10:14:11 AM
Sorry but this is hogwash. The GOP leaders are trying the same weaselly nonsense. We love you and reach out to you and want you to support us and we want you to be happy - but we continue to oppose efforts at making sure you can be happy." Just like that idiot Reince Priebus suggested that they can be inclusive of gay people in the Republican Party while continuing to maintain that gay people should get none of the equality that they want. AND we are supposed to fall for the line that opposing someone's equality, whether it be under the law or in the body of the church, doesn't make you a bigot.
 
2013-04-01 10:15:25 AM
April Fools!
 
2013-04-01 10:16:38 AM
So, he wants more of the fairly boilerplate "we love you, we just think that your sexual identity is and abomination and that you shouldn't have the same civil rights as straight couples" rhetoric. Maybe a little bit of the old "Jesus can save you from your gayness" thrown in for good measure.

I'm sure he'll act hurt and disappointed when homosexuals reject his magnanimity, too.

/ Maybe he should tell them that he's saying it for their own good a few more times. That'll help.
 
2013-04-01 10:17:58 AM
I know, let's tax the gay out of 'em.
 
2013-04-01 10:18:57 AM
Well this is no surprise: the vast majority of RC clergy are gay men anyway.
 
2013-04-01 10:25:12 AM
I went out this morning to the backyard to lay a white lily where I buried my old dog Rexie this past December. He would have been eighteen today. That's too old for a dog, though no loving companion can ever really get too old. He was there with me at hospice when my beautiful wife's soul went on to Heaven. Her body is buried outside Scottsdale, where she grew up, with a beautiful headstone we picked out together. She never would've admitted it, but she loved that dog too, gave him lots of pats while I wasn't looking. I hope they're up there together now, two souls free of pain and old age.

As I laid the lily on the stone, its bright yellow stigma sharp against the snowy backdrop, a memory came up to me from long ago, just an image really.

He was five or six at the time. He'd outgrown his puppyhood but still wanted to be my baby. It'd been another slow arriving spring, with snow accumulations still in April. He hated snow so I had to shoo him out to the backyard in the morning to do his business. Hoping he'd get busy and stop staring at me like I was torturing him, I closed the sliding door and went to put the coffee on, just a few minutes. When I came back to let him in, I found him standing on his hind legs, his front paws holding onto the covered gas grill. He threw his glance at me, big sad black eyes, a downturn mouth, ears pressed to his head. He was saying, "Are you serious? Then why don't you come out here in your bare feet." I agreed with him, as cold feet were his specialty, warming mine in the bed empty since my wife passed. I got the shovel and cleared him off a good patch of yard. He barked and nipped at the thrown snow, having fun as he always tended to do.

We rushed in as soon as he was finished. It was Sunday, a lazy day around our little farmhouse, nothing much to do but hang out together, watch football in the afternoon. I made a wood fire in the living room and we just sat on the floor, eating popcorn and reading the paper between head pats and chuckles at the comics page. That dog loved popcorn. The rustle of the plastic coming off a bag of it would bring him out of the deepest sleep, even in his old age. He'd beg and beg until I gave him a handful. Or two. Or three.

I even went so far as to get a full length mirror and put it in front of him so he could see what a beggar he was being. He gazed at himself for a while, pushed his chin up, and then gave a self satisfied nod. That darn dog had more pride in himself than most men!

I made popcorn again that cold evening this past December. Rexie had been holed up under the bed with his Suzy doll. I could usually entice him to shuffle downstairs, but when the microwaved beeped and he hadn't come, I knew something was wrong. I called for him, but didn't hear the jingle of his chain. Upstairs, I found him laying under the bed, peaceful with his paws crossed, yet gone, like a candle blown out.

I would've been embarrassed had anyone seen how I carried on that night, a grown man bawling and holding his best friend across his lap. With Carol gone barely two years, I felt like all my reasons for staying alive were going up to Heaven without me.

Then it's funny how a routine activity changes when you lose somebody that you love. Every time I eat popcorn nowadays, I want to throw a handful on the floor, even though I know Rexie won't be there to gobble it up. It feels sort of like the popcorn companies have taken the flavor out of it completely, on purpose - no salt, no butter, not even a corn taste. Just soulless crunching, a consequence I suppose of not having anyone to share it with.

I don't know if gay people are able to feel stuff like that, but even if all the scientists are right and they can't, they probably still notice when their longtime live-in friend dies, buried in some nameless grave out in the woods. If it's nothing more than going to bed at night without a sore rear end, that still leaves an emotional shallow. Little things like that are the salt and butter of life. And even if they don't have real feelings, they should still be able to get married in name, like the wedding the neighbor and I had for Rexie and her dog Lady. It's only right, if you ask me.
 
2013-04-01 10:25:16 AM

WTF Indeed: The Catholic Church supports gay people?! Geez, the next thing you know the Church will accept evolution and the Big Bang as fact.

 
Uh, they already do and have for quite some time. It was a Jesuit priest who came up with the big bang theory. Seriously.
 
2013-04-01 10:25:40 AM

WTF Indeed: The Catholic Church supports gay people?! Geez, the next thing you know the Church will accept evolution and the Big Bang as fact.


The Pope already accepts evolution.  It's his ignorant followers that are the problem.
 
2013-04-01 10:27:25 AM

cheyanne9: As soon as SSM door is kicked open, lets open the gates on multiples - 2 men married to one woman, 3 women married to two men think of the real freedoms here.
 
who says it wrong?


Contractual law?  You know, the legal system.
 
Besides, polygamous marriages are the Bible's true definition of marriage.  What could be more natural?
 
2013-04-01 10:28:16 AM
So close, Dolan, but fertility as a justification of traditional marriage is hilariously flawed. Either go all the way or don't bother.

/Catholic
 
2013-04-01 10:28:25 AM
CSB:
You know, this reminds me of this one time at Veteran's Camp,,,
The rededication of the Vietnam Memorial in 1992 was a election campaign year. In spite of the fact that we have worked hard to separate the political bull from OUR Memorial, Al Gore(Clinton knew better than approaching the Vets) DEMANDED a speaking part and the weasels caved. He launched into how he was a Vet and how much he would like us to forget the fact that he had done nothing for the Vet Community while in Congress, but, gol darn it, forgive, forget, vote for me.
So we turned our backs on him. Maybe 7-8,000 guys all facing to the rear while he lied and lied and lied some more.
Good times
 
2013-04-01 10:29:01 AM

Marcus Aurelius: WTF Indeed: The Catholic Church supports gay people?! Geez, the next thing you know the Church will accept evolution and the Big Bang as fact.

The Pope already accepts evolution.  It's his ignorant followers that are the problem.

  

No they don't. It's been taught in parochial schools for years.
 
2013-04-01 10:29:27 AM

Red Shirt Blues: Uh, they already do and have for quite some time. It was a Jesuit priest who came up with the big bang theory. Seriously.


Marcus Aurelius: The Pope already accepts evolution.  It's his ignorant followers that are the problem.


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2013-04-01 10:31:26 AM

Sybarite: Despite the appeal for inclusiveness, Dolan said the Church is unlikely to reverse their position on same-sex marriage.

"Sexual love ... is intended only for a man and woman in marriage, where children can come about naturally," he said.


So they really want to get gays and lesbians in the door so they can tell them exactly how wrong and unnatural their love is?


Actually his statement is one of the few I've heard in line with real Christianity. Homosexuality is a sin according to their book but no deal breaker. Jesus says love the sinner. Christians that get all freaked out about gay sex being taboo forget it was in the same chapter that says its a sin to eat a ham sandwich, get a tattoo, grab a bite at Steak and Shake or wear a cotton/polyester blend (OK, they got that one right). it was never a major one
 
2013-04-01 10:31:38 AM

spentmiles: I don't know if gay people are able to feel stuff like that, but even if all the scientists are right and they can't


NEWSFLASH, gay people are people, same species as you
 
2013-04-01 10:32:00 AM

Tomahawk513: So close, Dolan, but fertility as a justification of traditional marriage is hilariously flawed. Either go all the way or don't bother.

/Catholic


These are going to be interesting times with an SJ in charge. I was surprised Dolan went that far.
 
2013-04-01 10:32:49 AM

Red Shirt Blues: WTF Indeed: The Catholic Church supports gay people?! Geez, the next thing you know the Church will accept evolution and the Big Bang as fact.
 
Uh, they already do and have for quite some time. It was a Jesuit priest who came up with the big bang theory. Seriously.


Marcus Aurelius: The Pope already accepts evolution. It's his ignorant followers that are the problem.


Analogy: I've been Catholic my whole life and haven't heard anything to support your claim.  The only anti-evolution and young-earth stuff I've heard is from evangelical protestants.
 
That being said: is this story an April Fool's joke?  Does Cardinal Dolan accually tak liek dis "aw shuksy" guy?
 
/Sorry, couldn't resist
 
2013-04-01 10:34:06 AM
Dohhhhh-lan, you don't have to put on that red dress,
Walk the aisles for money/You don't care if it's wrong or if it's right
 
2013-04-01 10:34:17 AM

Slartibartfaster: NEWSFLASH, gay people are people, same species as you


NEWSFLASH: spentmiles
 
2013-04-01 10:35:01 AM
Spoderman pls
 
2013-04-01 10:39:00 AM

Marcus Aurelius: "We gotta do better to see that our defense of marriage is not reduced to an attack on gay people," Dolan said
 
Wow.  The cognitive dissonance in that sentence is deafening.


You must have missed meet the press, the republican tool on there arguing for the defense of marriage act was a fun one to watch
 
2013-04-01 10:40:05 AM

cheyanne9: As soon as SSM door is kicked open, lets open the gates on multiples - 2 men married to one woman, 3 women married to two men think of the real freedoms here.
 
who says it wrong?


Why does it? Marriage is (1 person) + (1 person) .

If you want to open that into multiple marriages, what happens then is a whole bunch of tax laws need to get changed, before entire towns marry each other and get the tax benefits of.

SSM is a like-for-like replacement/addition to 1 man 1 woman. Plural/multiple/polyamorous marriage is not -- from a business standpoint, which is what marriage really is once you ignore the churchy aspects of it.
 
2013-04-01 10:41:15 AM

WTF Indeed: The Catholic Church supports gay people?! Geez, the next thing you know the Church will accept evolution and the Big Bang as fact.


The Church accepted these concepts under John Paul II

+1 Subby!
 
2013-04-01 10:42:18 AM

snocone: CSB:
You know, this reminds me of this one time at Veteran's Camp,,,
The rededication of the Vietnam Memorial in 1992 was a election campaign year. In spite of the fact that we have worked hard to separate the political bull from OUR Memorial, Al Gore(Clinton knew better than approaching the Vets) DEMANDED a speaking part and the weasels caved. He launched into how he was a Vet and how much he would like us to forget the fact that he had done nothing for the Vet Community while in Congress, but, gol darn it, forgive, forget, vote for me.
So we turned our backs on him. Maybe 7-8,000 guys all facing to the rear while he lied and lied and lied some more.
Good times


Proving once and for all veterans get what they deserve. Thanks for nothing soldier. Vote Republican the rest of your life over one imagined insult 20 years ago.
 
2013-04-01 10:43:23 AM

JackieRabbit: WTF Indeed: The Catholic Church supports gay people?! Geez, the next thing you know the Church will accept evolution and the Big Bang as fact.

The Church accepted these concepts under John Paul II

+1 Subby!


By that logic, a broken watch on the wrist of a retard is right twice a day.
 
2013-04-01 10:46:22 AM

factoryconnection: Red Shirt Blues: WTF Indeed: The Catholic Church supports gay people?! Geez, the next thing you know the Church will accept evolution and the Big Bang as fact.
 
Uh, they already do and have for quite some time. It was a Jesuit priest who came up with the big bang theory. Seriously.

Marcus Aurelius: The Pope already accepts evolution. It's his ignorant followers that are the problem.

Analogy: I've been Catholic my whole life and haven't heard anything to support your claim.  The only anti-evolution and young-earth stuff I've heard is from evangelical protestants.
 
That being said: is this story an April Fool's joke?  Does Cardinal Dolan accually tak liek dis "aw shuksy" guy?
 
/Sorry, couldn't resist


Sorry, I have Catholic acquaintances that flatly reject evolution.  But they're old, and I'm just going by personal experience.
 
2013-04-01 10:47:30 AM

Generation_D: snocone: CSB:
You know, this reminds me of this one time at Veteran's Camp,,,
The rededication of the Vietnam Memorial in 1992 was a election campaign year. In spite of the fact that we have worked hard to separate the political bull from OUR Memorial, Al Gore(Clinton knew better than approaching the Vets) DEMANDED a speaking part and the weasels caved. He launched into how he was a Vet and how much he would like us to forget the fact that he had done nothing for the Vet Community while in Congress, but, gol darn it, forgive, forget, vote for me.
So we turned our backs on him. Maybe 7-8,000 guys all facing to the rear while he lied and lied and lied some more.
Good times

Proving once and for all veterans get what they deserve. Thanks for nothing soldier. Vote Republican the rest of your life over one imagined insult 20 years ago.


What an idiot!
The VN Memorial was built with private finds for a reason, schlub.
 
2013-04-01 10:50:09 AM
Funds
 
And fark your disingenuous partisan crap.
 
2013-04-01 10:54:32 AM

snocone: Funds
 
And fark your disingenuous partisan crap.


Its amazing how butt hurt you guys get. But thanks for all the dying for our freedom, you bet. Awesome work.

And on the other hand one party actively exploits your positions today for personal profit and gain, and that one party isn't the Democrats I can tell you that. One party actually fights for veterans benefits, that sure as eff aint the Republicans.

But yes, Al Gore hurt your feelings in 1992. That definitely means he's a scumbag who was way worse than Bush.
 
2013-04-01 11:11:59 AM
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-01 11:14:48 AM

Generation_D: snocone: Funds
 
And fark your disingenuous partisan crap.

Its amazing how butt hurt you guys get. But thanks for all the dying for our freedom, you bet. Awesome work.

And on the other hand one party actively exploits your positions today for personal profit and gain, and that one party isn't the Democrats I can tell you that. One party actually fights for veterans benefits, that sure as eff aint the Republicans.

But yes, Al Gore hurt your feelings in 1992. That definitely means he's a scumbag who was way worse than Bush.


What is particularly impressive is that Al Gore wasn't VP until February 1993.
 
2013-04-01 11:48:35 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Sorry, I have Catholic acquaintances that flatly reject evolution. But they're old, and I'm just going by personal experience.


Elderly... that makes sense.  Heck, a lot of those folks are still butt-hurt about 2nd Vatican Council.  And they drive really slowly.
 
I live in the South now, and the big megachurch around here (that my in-laws attend) still has sermons asserting that the earth is 6000 years old, evolution is a lie, et cetera, et cetera.  I won't even go there out of "whoops, slept in" convenience because of that.  It is a shame, though, because most of their sermons are a lot more of the legitimate, bread-and-butter variety on how to make yourself a better person.
 
2013-04-01 11:52:03 AM
gooby pls
 
2013-04-01 12:38:54 PM
I agree with the fact that we all should respect one's sexual orientation. We don't necessarily have to agree with the person's lifestyle but, at least, we should respect it in whatever way we may consider closest to our belief system, either by accepting the situation, supporting it or simply by ignoring it. If two people of the same sex are in love with each other, have sex and live together, then at least we shouldn't interfere with that. At the very end, it doesn't hurt us, is it? However, there are a few things that I think went too far, and here's what:

1. One don't have to shove his views on sexual liberties down our throats. What you do with your life or in your own bedroom is your problem. As I said, I respect your views but try to understand that I also have mine. Your homosexuality is what defines you? Fine, but don't be obvious about it. Is a gay parade necessary? Do I have to see you marching through downtown wearing Speedos and leather? Is it really necessary? You don't see a heterosexual parade, don't you?
2. As I choose to respect one's lifestyle, I don't have to agree with it. Allow me to have my own beliefs and, if asked, to express said beliefs. That defines me as individual. You can't force a Democrat to agree with a Republican. However, both should have the opportunity to express themselves and their views. In the same line, you can't force me to agree with you and I should be given the opportunity to express my views without fearing of repercussions.
3. I agree that a group of people, be it of a certain sex orientation, race, origin etc. has its own rights but the problem is when the group starts abusing said rights and thinks everything is permitted in the name of equality. If I don't agree with what you're doing, don't jump and say "oh, so you say that because I'm gay/ black/ Jewish/ from Mars etc". No, I don't do that. I disagree with you as a human being and I don't think you should use your minority status as a shield.
4. If you don't want us to discriminate you based on your sexual orientation, then you have to agree with the fact that we should not discriminate against anybody for the same reason. If you disagree, then you're no better than those discriminating against you.
5. Christianity is built on several principles. One of them is that the marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Now, I agree with the fact that legal union between people of the same sex should be  allowed but I don't agree with the fact that a church should be forced to ignore the basic rules of Christianity and accept to marry you, therefore I don't understand why you're trying to change a system I believe in because it doesn't suit your needs.
6. If you think you have the right to raise children, then give birth to one. Why do you need a person of the opposite sex to do the work for you? As I said, you have the right to live according to your sexual orientation. One of the downsides is that you cannot procreate. Now, remember, it was you choice. Live by it. Don't try to get the best of both worlds because it's not fair.

As I said, this is what I think. You have the right to disagree. If you don't share my opinions, kindly state why. If you decide to be rude, go ahead.
 
2013-04-01 12:46:19 PM

KStDrew: I agree with the fact that we all should respect one's sexual orientation. We don't necessarily have to agree with the person's lifestyle but, at least, we should respect it in whatever way we may consider closest to our belief system, either by accepting the situation, supporting it or simply by ignoring it.


I prefer furries keep their fetish at home.
 
2013-04-01 12:47:12 PM

cheyanne9: As soon as SSM door is kicked open, lets open the gates on multiples - 2 men married to one woman, 3 women married to two men think of the real freedoms here.
 
who says it wrong?


You're right, we can finally follow the fine biblical example of Solomon!

2/10
 
2013-04-01 12:53:06 PM

KStDrew: I agree with the fact that we all should respect one's sexual orientation. We don't necessarily have to agree with the person's lifestyle but, at least, we should respect it in whatever way we may consider closest to our belief system, either by accepting the situation, supporting it or simply by ignoring it. If two people of the same sex are in love with each other, have sex and live together, then at least we shouldn't interfere with that. At the very end, it doesn't hurt us, is it? However, there are a few things that I think went too far, and here's what:

1. One don't have to shove his views on sexual liberties down our throats. What you do with your life or in your own bedroom is your problem. As I said, I respect your views but try to understand that I also have mine. Your homosexuality is what defines you? Fine, but don't be obvious about it. Is a gay parade necessary? Do I have to see you marching through downtown wearing Speedos and leather? Is it really necessary? You don't see a heterosexual parade, don't you?
2. As I choose to respect one's lifestyle, I don't have to agree with it. Allow me to have my own beliefs and, if asked, to express said beliefs. That defines me as individual. You can't force a Democrat to agree with a Republican. However, both should have the opportunity to express themselves and their views. In the same line, you can't force me to agree with you and I should be given the opportunity to express my views without fearing of repercussions.
3. I agree that a group of people, be it of a certain sex orientation, race, origin etc. has its own rights but the problem is when the group starts abusing said rights and thinks everything is permitted in the name of equality. If I don't agree with what you're doing, don't jump and say "oh, so you say that because I'm gay/ black/ Jewish/ from Mars etc". No, I don't do that. I disagree with you as a human being and I don't think you should use your minority status as a shield.
4. If you don't want us to discriminate you based on your sexual orientation, then you have to agree with the fact that we should not discriminate against anybody for the same reason. If you disagree, then you're no better than those discriminating against you.
5. Christianity is built on several principles. One of them is that the marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Now, I agree with the fact that legal union between people of the same sex should be  allowed but I don't agree with the fact that a church should be forced to ignore the basic rules of Christianity and accept to marry you, therefore I don't understand why you're trying to change a system I believe in because it doesn't suit your needs.
6. If you think you have the right to raise children, then give birth to one. Why do you need a person of the opposite sex to do the work for you? As I said, you have the right to live according to your sexual orientation. One of the downsides is that you cannot procreate. Now, remember, it was you choice. Live by it. Don't try to get the best of both worlds because it's not fair.

As I said, this is what I think. You have the right to disagree. If you don't share my opinions, kindly state why. If you decide to be rude, go ahead.


All i read was point one.... Mardi Gras. Look at that, a straight arade full of drunk and disorderly bare breasted women.
 
2013-04-01 12:54:54 PM

KStDrew: I agree with the fact that we all should respect one's sexual orientation. We don't necessarily have to agree with the person's lifestyle but, at least, we should respect it in whatever way we may consider closest to our belief system, either by accepting the situation, supporting it or simply by ignoring it. If two people of the same sex are in love with each other, have sex and live together, then at least we shouldn't interfere with that. At the very end, it doesn't hurt us, is it? However, there are a few things that I think went too far, and here's what:

1. One don't have to shove his views on sexual liberties down our throats. What you do with your life or in your own bedroom is your problem. As I said, I respect your views but try to understand that I also have mine. Your homosexuality is what defines you? Fine, but don't be obvious about it. Is a gay parade necessary? Do I have to see you marching through downtown wearing Speedos and leather? Is it really necessary? You don't see a heterosexual parade, don't you?
2. As I choose to respect one's lifestyle, I don't have to agree with it. Allow me to have my own beliefs and, if asked, to express said beliefs. That defines me as individual. You can't force a Democrat to agree with a Republican. However, both should have the opportunity to express themselves and their views. In the same line, you can't force me to agree with you and I should be given the opportunity to express my views without fearing of repercussions.
3. I agree that a group of people, be it of a certain sex orientation, race, origin etc. has its own rights but the problem is when the group starts abusing said rights and thinks everything is permitted in the name of equality. If I don't agree with what you're doing, don't jump and say "oh, so you say that because I'm gay/ black/ Jewish/ from Mars etc". No, I don't do that. I disagree with you as a human being and I don't think you should use your minority status as a shield.
4. If you don't want us to discriminate you based on your sexual orientation, then you have to agree with the fact that we should not discriminate against anybody for the same reason. If you disagree, then you're no better than those discriminating against you.
5. Christianity is built on several principles. One of them is that the marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Now, I agree with the fact that legal union between people of the same sex should be  allowed but I don't agree with the fact that a church should be forced to ignore the basic rules of Christianity and accept to marry you, therefore I don't understand why you're trying to change a system I believe in because it doesn't suit your needs.
6. If you think you have the right to raise children, then give birth to one. Why do you need a person of the opposite sex to do the work for you? As I said, you have the right to live according to your sexual orientation. One of the downsides is that you cannot procreate. Now, remember, it was you choice. Live by it. Don't try to get the best of both worlds because it's not fair.

As I said, this is what I think. You have the right to disagree. If you don't share my opinions, kindly state why. If you decide to be rude, go ahead.


Point 5... No one wants to force the six people holding church inthe snake handling community for marry us... Just you know, a justice of the peace.
 
2013-04-01 12:56:26 PM
Ignore the spelling mistakes... It's hard to type with no coffee
 
2013-04-01 01:09:37 PM
He's going to embrace them from behind.
 
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