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2013-03-31 09:13:44 PM

taglius: hershy799: I didn't get to watch the game, and I refuse to watch the injury... but on a scale of 1 to Theismann, how bad was the injury?

/Saw the Theismann video once, which was more than enough

It was about 1.22 Theismanns


I give it 1.41 Theismanns. It was in HD and the injury was visible throughout.
 
2013-03-31 09:14:03 PM

MichiganFTL: ontariolightning: I watched it a dozen times while eating dinner

same, just broke a chicken wing in half as I watched. What makes people so squeamish about this but will be watching walking dead in 8 minutes while eating chocolates covered cherries?


The ability to tell reality from fantasy?
 
2013-03-31 09:14:15 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: someone in the game thread saying that doesn't make it speculation.


Um, speculation is exactly what it is.  What you don't want calling my medical opinion is prognosis.
 
2013-03-31 09:14:37 PM

dragonchild: kxs401: As awful as the injury looks, he'll probably recover fully. In the long run, it's much better to break a bone that to tear cartilage or a tendon.

Um, no.  No, no, NO.  You're thinking of broken bones where the skin keeps everything covered.  This was a compound fracture.  With prompt medical attention (check), competent care (check I guess) and a little luck (?), he'll make a full recovery.  But if the luck element is missing or there's a goof during surgery or prep, he could lose the leg to infection.  The interior of bone is nice spongy blood factory.  It's not something you ever want exposed to air.

He'll probably recover fully?  Likely in this day and age, and the hospital's likely to take every precaution with such a high-profile injury.  But no no no no NO, this is one case where you'd gladly take torn cartilage AND a torn tendon.  Hell, throw in a couple blown-out ligaments while you're at it.


I broke my femur playing rugby, and the doctors told me I was lucky that it was my femur that gave out first and not my knee. It was immediately far more traumatic (including a nicked femoral artery) but I recovered fully within eight weeks and was able to perform as before. Cartilage and tendons don't heal NEARLY as well as bones do. Granted, it wasn't a compound fracture, but I don't know how much that changes things.
 
2013-03-31 09:15:22 PM

Scorpinock: I had a friend who was out jogging and snapped her femur. That's the upper leg bone, and the hardest to break. She was just jogging. It turns out there was a type of tumor in the bone, slowly growing and overtaking the bone mass, and replacing it with tumor. It snapped like a twig right above the knee with nothing more than a small leap off a curb to cause it.

/gross story, bro.


That one seems more like a blessing

Is she in remission?
 
2013-03-31 09:15:41 PM
I'll check it out when it makes Tosh.0 later this week.
 
2013-03-31 09:17:16 PM
Oh dear god
 
2013-03-31 09:17:25 PM

ontariolightning: Max Talbot also got stepped on by a skate on his achilles


That is why I don't go ice skating.  My immediate fear is my fingers, not my achilles, but same idea
 
2013-03-31 09:18:06 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: When I first saw it, I wondered how a guy who spends much of his life leaping through the air could have had such a huge break occur on a fairly routine landing.  There must have been something preexisting.


In the game thread, someone mentioned the raised floor. On a normal basketball court, he'd just plow straight on through the bench and into the fans. Here there was a good drop at the edge of the court and he tried to stop on a dime before pitching over the side. That, um, didn't work.
 
2013-03-31 09:18:18 PM
I was at the game, so I'm really getting a kick etc.

We were high up and nobody in our section could figure out what happened.  Everyone was watching the ball go toward the basket, then we thought there might have been a bad collision under the basket since Louisville players were just laying on the floor.  I couldn't figure out why they didn't have medics on the floor for the guys laying down, then we noticed they were all over on the sideline.  They cut the video feed entirely.  We had to get info from the NCAA watch live app to find out what was going on.  Glad I missed it.
 
2013-03-31 09:18:24 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: kxs401: phantomerick: Looks and sounds like a bone malformation or a disease of some kind. Not enough to snap a healthy leg bone. Did he have tattoos ? Paging Dr. House...

I've heard speculation that he might have had a stress fracture already.

When I first saw it, I wondered how a guy who spends much of his life leaping through the air could have had such a huge break occur on a fairly routine landing.  There must have been something preexisting.


Probably, but weird shiat happens sometimes, like Kendry Morales breaking his damn leg with a little celebratory hop at home plate.
 
2013-03-31 09:18:45 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-31 09:21:39 PM
Shanahan says he'll be ready to go for their next game
 
2013-03-31 09:22:22 PM

kxs401: Granted, it wasn't a compound fracture, but I don't know how much that changes things.


A lot.  The key difference between a compound fracture and other breaks is the massively increased risk of infection.  The surgery team would much rather your femur be shattered as long as the skin was intact than a single clean break where the bone pokes out.  They can always remove bits of bone and screw the rest back together as long as they're the ones who make the incision.  If the bone does the cutting it's going to make a royal mess of the surrounding soft tissue, which means the first order of business is to clean the wound as thoroughly as possible.  The recovery time may be comparable if all goes well (I dunno), but it's not recovery time that's the issue; the risk of complication is much higher.

I think a relatively recent change to medicine is that they don't set compound fractures anymore.  The reason is to show the surgeons the injury "as is" so they can treat it accordingly.  If you shove all the parts back in, you've possibly contaminated the wound with whatever the bones got exposed to.
 
2013-03-31 09:22:28 PM
Against my better judgment, I watched the animated GIF of this.  Yeah, that injury is pretty bad.  The video is not going to scar me for life or anything, though - it's not to <i>that</i> level, at least for me.  But yeah, if you're squeamish like that, don't watch it.

I just hope this doesn't leave lasting damage to his leg or ruin hopes of a professional career if he had one.
 
2013-03-31 09:23:14 PM
how did the injury happen?  im too scared to watch.

i can understand in football when there are 300lbs men hitting you while running at full speed, but in basketball?

ugh, bad sports weekend in general
 
2013-03-31 09:23:45 PM
Saw it live (on the television. Not in person) and wasn't sure what happened. Then CBS replayed it and I couldn't believe they did. Then they replayed it one more time. Horrific injury. My guess is a preexisting condition.
 
2013-03-31 09:24:19 PM
Rub some dirt on it.
 
2013-03-31 09:24:33 PM

Kevin72: Kevin Ware. There, it has been said. It was Kevin Ware that was injured in this game, not Joe Theismann. Joe Theissman has healed. If any non-sports people are reading this, it is Kevin Ware who was injured and would appreciate your healing thoughts and prayers.


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2013-03-31 09:25:10 PM

pivazena: MaliFinn: ontariolightning: Sidney Crosbys broken jaw is a bigger injury to a sport then this is. Max Talbot also got stepped on by a skate on his achilles. That is gruesome too. Basketball? Big flipping whoop.

Well, if you want to be that way, how about Zednik getting his throat slashed by a skate?

AGH!  now I'm DEFINITELY never going ice skating


Yes, I passed up a few chances to skate on the ice at Rockefeller Park.  I was about to get my skates on when I looked out and saw a guy land facefirst on the ice.  His skates slashed through the air, narrowly missing some woman who was sliding by.  The blades were probably an inch or two from her face.  Then I noticed that there were numerous other people doing not so well staying upright.

I turned my skates back in and went to get something to eat instead.
 
2013-03-31 09:26:37 PM

pivazena: MaliFinn: ontariolightning: Sidney Crosbys broken jaw is a bigger injury to a sport then this is. Max Talbot also got stepped on by a skate on his achilles. That is gruesome too. Basketball? Big flipping whoop.

Well, if you want to be that way, how about Zednik getting his throat slashed by a skate?

AGH!  now I'm DEFINITELY never going ice skating


Malarchuk did it first, and better. Zednik skated off the ice too fast to see much. Ware was worse though. Blood plus bone. I can watch blood all day, but breaks are just horrible.

Both involved the Sabres, so yay Buffalo!
 
2013-03-31 09:27:07 PM
dragonchild:
I think a relatively recent change to medicine is that they don't set compound fractures anymore.  The reason is to show the surgeons the injury "as is" so they can treat it accordingly.  If you shove all the parts back in, you've possibly contaminated the wound with whatever the bones got exposed to.

A compound fracture pretty much requires surgical repair, right?  Might as well leave it as is and not risk doing even more soft tissue damage (and cause even more pain and contamination) and treat with massive doses of painkillers until emergency surgery can begin.

My dad suffered an open fracture of his ankle a few months before he died.  He was in surgery within the first couple hours after arriving at the hospital.
 
2013-03-31 09:28:19 PM
I wonder if the Theismann injury would have been about that gruesome if he'd been wearing shorts when it happened.  But as it looks there, I think this is worse.
 
2013-03-31 09:28:26 PM
People do not understand how dangerous it is. I have seen quite a few older people take nasty falls breaking their hips, wrist, head. I have seen people get slashed.. none in the neck but still lost quite a lot of blood

whizbangthedirtfarmer: pivazena: MaliFinn: ontariolightning: Sidney Crosbys broken jaw is a bigger injury to a sport then this is. Max Talbot also got stepped on by a skate on his achilles. That is gruesome too. Basketball? Big flipping whoop.

Well, if you want to be that way, how about Zednik getting his throat slashed by a skate?

AGH!  now I'm DEFINITELY never going ice skating

Yes, I passed up a few chances to skate on the ice at Rockefeller Park.  I was about to get my skates on when I looked out and saw a guy land facefirst on the ice.  His skates slashed through the air, narrowly missing some woman who was sliding by.  The blades were probably an inch or two from her face.  Then I noticed that there were numerous other people doing not so well staying upright.

I turned my skates back in and went to get something to eat instead.

 
2013-03-31 09:29:55 PM

thisiszombocom: how did the injury happen?  im too scared to watch.

i can understand in football when there are 300lbs men hitting you while running at full speed, but in basketball?

ugh, bad sports weekend in general


I'm still pretty OK with Michigan.  And I laughed at the headline, so I'm probably going to hell anyway.

That said, since I'm human, that really sucks.  Can't imagine what it must've been like going from a crazy NCAA/national television broadcast high to an excruciating painful low.  Damn.  Poor kid.

/Didn't see it, but the roommate gave me a clear warning the second I got home and he figured out I had been on the road during the Louisville game
 
2013-03-31 09:31:32 PM

kxs401: As awful as the injury looks, he'll probably recover fully. In the long run, it's much better to break a bone that to tear cartilage or a tendon.


Not really- that kind of injury can damage nerves, and blood loss can kill tissue.  Not to mention the high likeliness of infection.  There's a reason that athletes almost never come back from that kind of injury- but they come back from ligament and tendon tears with regularity.
 
2013-03-31 09:31:43 PM

ArgusRun: ArtosRC: Saw the video on Youtube. Between this and Lattimore's gruesome injury, it's a toss-up.

I mean, it's horrific. Louisville better honor that scholarship.

They will.

In a way he's lucky the injury was so graphic and public. They can't afford to bring national attention to the regular exploitation of college athletes, and a high profile case like this would motivate legislatures to address the issue.


Thank goodness.They should outlaw broken bones.
 
2013-03-31 09:33:18 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: pivazena: MaliFinn: ontariolightning: Sidney Crosbys broken jaw is a bigger injury to a sport then this is. Max Talbot also got stepped on by a skate on his achilles. That is gruesome too. Basketball? Big flipping whoop.

Well, if you want to be that way, how about Zednik getting his throat slashed by a skate?

AGH!  now I'm DEFINITELY never going ice skating

Yes, I passed up a few chances to skate on the ice at Rockefeller Park.  I was about to get my skates on when I looked out and saw a guy land facefirst on the ice.  His skates slashed through the air, narrowly missing some woman who was sliding by.  The blades were probably an inch or two from her face.  Then I noticed that there were numerous other people doing not so well staying upright.

I turned my skates back in and went to get something to eat instead.




NSFW
/the Buick commercial in the middle of that honestly is almost so wrong it's funny
//almost, it's still pretty f--king awful
 
2013-03-31 09:34:00 PM

thisiszombocom: how did the injury happen?  im too scared to watch.

i can understand in football when there are 300lbs men hitting you while running at full speed, but in basketball?

ugh, bad sports weekend in general


Pretty routine-looking play.  He went to block a shot, missed the block, shot went in.  Louisville goes to in-bound, but there's this crumpled heap near the bench and a lot of noise.  What the hell just happened?  Let's go to the replay.  When he landed from the shot-block attempt, his foot stopped...just imagine jumping forward, and when you land part of your lower leg stops while the other part keeps going.
 
2013-03-31 09:34:39 PM
A great victory for HD, that was
 
2013-03-31 09:36:57 PM

MichiganFTL: What makes people so squeamish about this but will be watching walking dead in 8 minutes while eating chocolates covered cherries?


People can watch fiction and know it's fiction.  They can watch zombies getting splattered and know it's not real.  It's not blood, it's just corn syrup and red dye.  That actor wasn't really hurt.  That severed head is just some molded silicone and latex.

They see that injury however, they know that's no special effect.  That's not Hollywood, that's a young man in the most pain of his life, pain most humans will never endure, and almost certainly the end of any sports career.

What it means is that for all our violence and gore in movies and TV, we know fiction from reality, and when it's real and we know it's real, we still give a damn.
 
2013-03-31 09:37:15 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: pivazena: MaliFinn: ontariolightning: Sidney Crosbys broken jaw is a bigger injury to a sport then this is. Max Talbot also got stepped on by a skate on his achilles. That is gruesome too. Basketball? Big flipping whoop.

Well, if you want to be that way, how about Zednik getting his throat slashed by a skate?

AGH!  now I'm DEFINITELY never going ice skating

Yes, I passed up a few chances to skate on the ice at Rockefeller Park.  I was about to get my skates on when I looked out and saw a guy land facefirst on the ice.  His skates slashed through the air, narrowly missing some woman who was sliding by.  The blades were probably an inch or two from her face.  Then I noticed that there were numerous other people doing not so well staying upright.

I turned my skates back in and went to get something to eat instead.


Regular skates aren't sharpened to Wilkinson Sword grade as are hockey skates. You're probably looking at a good contusion at best if you get grazed by rental-type figure skates.
 
2013-03-31 09:40:32 PM
I don't care how many times it's been said, I didn't get to say it yet.  Duke sucks
 
2013-03-31 09:41:11 PM
Just saw the video, glad I didn't watch enough to see any kind of up close replay, truly awful. To think that could happen just by jumping up to defend a shot.
 
2013-03-31 09:41:21 PM
K couldn't coach well today because his staff didn't pack the right day coffin for him.

F*ck dook.
 
2013-03-31 09:41:34 PM
I laughed at his team's Weeners. Going to Hell.
 
2013-03-31 09:42:40 PM

Captain PTMB: I don't care how many times it's been said, I didn't get to say it yet.  Duke sucks


Everyone should get their chance - no need to be shy about it.
 
2013-03-31 09:43:25 PM

Silverstaff: MichiganFTL: What makes people so squeamish about this but will be watching walking dead in 8 minutes while eating chocolates covered cherries?

People can watch fiction and know it's fiction.  They can watch zombies getting splattered and know it's not real.  It's not blood, it's just corn syrup and red dye.  That actor wasn't really hurt.  That severed head is just some molded silicone and latex.

They see that injury however, they know that's no special effect.  That's not Hollywood, that's a young man in the most pain of his life, pain most humans will never endure, and almost certainly the end of any sports career.

What it means is that for all our violence and gore in movies and TV, we know fiction from reality, and when it's real and we know it's real, we still give a damn.


B-b-b-but violent video games turn us into crazed school shooters! Well, if the NRA is to be believed, anyway.
 
2013-03-31 09:43:39 PM
Subby, you horrible bastard.

.... *begrudgingly pokes the upvote, giggles*
 
2013-03-31 09:43:54 PM

ZoSo_the_Crowe: http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/ 2 013/03/pain.gif

VERY GRAPHIC CONTENT. You will be able to see the bone sticking out of the leg.

For those who missed it.


Jesus H Christ! It's like the second book in Harry Potter where all the bones are gone...except the is at least one here.
 
2013-03-31 09:43:54 PM

bborchar: kxs401: As awful as the injury looks, he'll probably recover fully. In the long run, it's much better to break a bone that to tear cartilage or a tendon.

Not really- that kind of injury can damage nerves, and blood loss can kill tissue.  Not to mention the high likeliness of infection.  There's a reason that athletes almost never come back from that kind of injury- but they come back from ligament and tendon tears with regularity.


Again, he's at Methodist - considering that (back when it was less safe) Methodist regularly put back together Indy car drivers who powdered their lower legs against the Turn 4 wall, they can probably deal with this particular sports injury as well as anyone.

I was driving and listening to the game on the radio when this happened.  The radio version sounded similar to "and Ware is down...  oooh.  Ugh.  Urrrrgh.  He's hurt, no leg should bend like that."  For most of ten minutes.  You could tell that the last thing they wanted to do was describe the injury.
 
2013-03-31 09:46:19 PM

hundreddollarman: Principal Clarinet: hershy799: I didn't get to watch the game, and I refuse to watch the injury... but on a scale of 1 to Theismann, how bad was the injury?

Theismann

IT'S OVER 9 THEISMANNS!


He went full Theismann.  You never go full Theismann.
 
2013-03-31 09:49:10 PM
"Toronto police Sgt. Doodnath Churkoo..."

Gesundheit.
 
2013-03-31 09:50:01 PM

ds_4815: "Toronto police Sgt. Doodnath Churkoo..."

Gesundheit.


...Goddammit, multiple Fark tab opening. Get your sh*t together.

/Duke still sucks
 
2013-03-31 09:52:17 PM

ten foiled hats: When he landed from the shot-block attempt, his foot stopped...just imagine jumping forward, and when you land part of your lower leg stops while the other part keeps going.


Thing is, that usually results in sprain or dislocation unless there's pressure on the bone itself.  Just fixing the bone in one spot shouldn't do that; the joints should give first.  The fact that there was no contact makes the injury so mysterious.

We really, really need a doc in here.  Did the guy have osteoporosis or something?
 
2013-03-31 09:55:13 PM
First didn't know why the bench was recoiling. Then thought the Walking Dead had already started when I saw that.
 
2013-03-31 09:55:49 PM
Watching the game with my family I knew right there that Duke would lose the game.
 
2013-03-31 09:57:18 PM
Just saw the injury. Holy shiat that was gruesome.
 
2013-03-31 09:57:40 PM
Don't Kentucky fans hate Louisville? Must be a bitter-sweet thing for Drew.

The injury was gruesome. Saw it live with my brother-in-law, while our wives had just gotten up to help his parents to start to set up the dining table for Easter dinner. They missed the injury by one minute.

I did not realize the bone actually came out of the skin until seeing some of the links from this thread.

I hope he recovers wells.
 
2013-03-31 09:58:18 PM
Silverstaff:
They see that injury however, they know that's no special effect.  That's not Hollywood, that's a young man in the most pain of his life, pain most humans will never endure, and almost certainly the end of any sports career.

Physicall, it might not be a career ender.  Corey Hill did the Gumby Dance with is leg in the UFC due to a checked leg kick.  He took 7 fights after that injury (though it took 2 years for him to come back).  If you can shatter your shin and come back in a sport where your opponent will try to kick you in that leg hard enough to shatter it again, then I would assume a basketball player ought to be able to come back too.

If that injury does end Kevin Ware's career, its probably due to being on the shelf for 2 years and having the scouts forget about him.  He will have a hell of a time getting back onto any competitive team even at the college level if he takes 2 years off.

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2008/12/corey-hill-undergoes-surgery-f or -broken-leg-sidelined-for-12-18-months

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