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(Birmingham Mail)   You are in a coma for 14 months: Does the city C) Evict you from the house you have lived in for 11 years and sell all your stuff   (birminghammail.co.uk) divider line 90
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2013-04-01 12:11:08 AM  
seriously poorly
 
2013-04-01 12:12:54 AM  

skinink: Man, people really suck. I think I need to start skipping these links on Fark about people being treated badly. I think I'll stick to Featured Buzzfeed links.


Drew, being the semi-pro news analyst that he is, might know better, but it seems like articles designed to elicit reader outrage have really spiked in the last several years. Remember when human interest stories were about firemen rescuing cats, etc, instead of 'pity this poor old lady, the gubmint done her wrong'?
 
2013-04-01 12:13:53 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The article says they offered to keep it open if someone from her family lived in it one day a week, which isn't unreasonable; but nobody could manage that.


Three days a week.

"The council said we had to give up Yvonne's house unless someone lived in it for three days a week."
 
2013-04-01 12:23:09 AM  
This guy could fix things.
 
static.guim.co.uk
 
Ask this lady.
 
www.channel4.com
 
2013-04-01 12:33:22 AM  
The city didn't sell her stuff.  Her family did.  They weren't forced to sell it.  They only had to remove it because they couldn't be bothered to occupy a free flat.  And the city didn't kick her out of her house.  They kicked her out of the city's house because nobody was using it and they've clearly got a long list of people waiting for housing.  The city wouldn't have kicked her out of the house if it had been occupied three days per week.  That's pretty darn lenient and accommodating.  Sounds to me like her family sucks.  They double-failed their mom.  All they had to do was squat on the property part time.  Billy takes Friday night, Tommy takes Saturday night, Beth takes Sunday night.  Nobody gets evicted, nobody sells mom's property.  How impossible would that have been?
 
2013-04-01 12:39:48 AM  

jtown: The city didn't sell her stuff.  Her family did.  They weren't forced to sell it.  They only had to remove it because they couldn't be bothered to occupy a free flat.  And the city didn't kick her out of her house.  They kicked her out of the city's house because nobody was using it and they've clearly got a long list of people waiting for housing.  The city wouldn't have kicked her out of the house if it had been occupied three days per week.  That's pretty darn lenient and accommodating.  Sounds to me like her family sucks.  They double-failed their mom.  All they had to do was squat on the property part time.  Billy takes Friday night, Tommy takes Saturday night, Beth takes Sunday night.  Nobody gets evicted, nobody sells mom's property.  How impossible would that have been?


They also couldn't bother to take her in once she woke up. Instead, they make her live in a free apartment that doesn't even have a garden.  Because clearly, for someone who's wheelchair bound and just came out of a fourteen month coma gardening is a first priority.
 
2013-04-01 12:48:42 AM  
Yes please:They also couldn't bother to take her in once she woke up. Instead, they make her live in a free apartment that doesn't even have a garden.  Because clearly, for someone who's wheelchair bound and just came out of a fourteen month coma gardening is a first priority.
 
If I've learned anything from years of watching British Comedies, it's that "Garden" actually means "Back Yard".  Or something like that.
 
2013-04-01 12:55:06 AM  

Tumunga: d-fens99: Obama

Uhm, this right up here ^
 
/I don't care if he/she's trolling.


Because Obama rules the U.K.?
 
2013-04-01 12:59:51 AM  
This would have never happened if she had a gun.
 
2013-04-01 01:12:13 AM  
Filthy ass government.  If only we lived in an anarchistic society she could have stayed in the coma as long as she liked and all her stuff would still be around.
 
2013-04-01 01:17:07 AM  

gingerfish109: I don't see the issue here.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but she was living in council housing.  That's publicly-subsidized housing.  She wasn't using it, and as she was in a coma, wasn't about to be using it for the forseeable future.  Given that, they reassigned this limited resource of publicly subsidized housing to someone else that needed it.
When she came out of the coma, she was again given housing, this time to one more appropriate for a person requiring a wheelchair (first floor, no yard to maintain).
Correct me if I'm missing the point.


I... don't think you are missing anything here.
 
Although shame on her sisters for not moving her stuff out of the house and into a storage cube or something. Jerks probably sold it, pocketed the money, and blamed the council.
 
2013-04-01 01:18:16 AM  

dv-ous: gingerfish109: I don't see the issue here.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but she was living in council housing.  That's publicly-subsidized housing.  She wasn't using it, and as she was in a coma, wasn't about to be using it for the forseeable future.  Given that, they reassigned this limited resource of publicly subsidized housing to someone else that needed it.
When she came out of the coma, she was again given housing, this time to one more appropriate for a person requiring a wheelchair (first floor, no yard to maintain).
Correct me if I'm missing the point.

I... don't think you are missing anything here.
 
Although shame on her sisters for not moving her stuff out of the house and into a storage cube or something. Jerks probably sold it, pocketed the money, and blamed the council.


Oh, wait, just reread TFA. That's exactly what they did.
 
Don't they have self-storage in the UK?
 
2013-04-01 01:19:34 AM  

Oldiron_79: Well if Im ever in a coma play "its a small world" for like an hour before you unplug me. If I dont wake up to choke you I am dead.


Damnit, now I have that freaking song stuck in my head again
Took me 35 years, about 190 ounces of weed, and I lost count of how many bottles of vodka to get over that experience.
 
2013-04-01 01:27:02 AM  

giftedmadness: well I guess I'll pick C because THERE ARE NO OPTIONS A and B!


And here we all thought that would slip by unnoticed.
 
2013-04-01 01:34:11 AM  

BradleyUffner: Yes please:They also couldn't bother to take her in once she woke up. Instead, they make her live in a free apartment that doesn't even have a garden.  Because clearly, for someone who's wheelchair bound and just came out of a fourteen month coma gardening is a first priority.
 
If I've learned anything from years of watching British Comedies, it's that "Garden" actually means "Back Yard".  Or something like that.


That may very well be true, but that doesn't change my position at all.  If anything, it makes me question if anyone sees a disabled woman, and then a backyard, and then comes to the conclusion "She should be responsible for mowing that."
 
2013-04-01 01:40:42 AM  

Smackledorfer: Filthy ass government.  If only we lived in an anarchistic society she could have stayed in the coma as long as she liked and all her stuff would still be around.


Welcome to Obama's England.
 
2013-04-01 01:58:57 AM  
With what the article stated I am not susprised or moved by it. Others already pointed out why so they don't need to be repeated.
 
2013-04-01 02:20:08 AM  
So many questions....
 
"yet she has been re-homed in a first floor in Castle Vale flat "
 
BUT
 
Yvonne's anxiety about her new home was heightened when there was a fire in her neighbour's flat two weeks ago and she found herself trapped.
"I was terrified," she said.
"I called the fire brigade and they said to get out. I told them I couldn't because I couldn't get my wheelchair down the stairs."
 
"I've spent £1,800 buying new furniture "
 
BUT
 
""It doesn't feel like home, it feels more like a prison cell"
 
 
"My mum has to do all my shopping and prepare my meals for me. "
 
BUT
 
She is upset she can't "garden" but she can't take care of herself?
 
AND
 
Her mom has to be there for all meals, but her, nor any of her other relatives, could have stayed overnight in her former home for THREE nights so that she could keep it?
 
2013-04-01 03:08:24 AM  

Yes please: BradleyUffner: Yes please:They also couldn't bother to take her in once she woke up. Instead, they make her live in a free apartment that doesn't even have a garden.  Because clearly, for someone who's wheelchair bound and just came out of a fourteen month coma gardening is a first priority.
 
If I've learned anything from years of watching British Comedies, it's that "Garden" actually means "Back Yard".  Or something like that.

That may very well be true, but that doesn't change my position at all.  If anything, it makes me question if anyone sees a disabled woman, and then a backyard, and then comes to the conclusion "She should be responsible for mowing that."


I realize this will shock most 'bootstrappy' people, but were I in the same position, even a small garden/back-yard with nice green, growing plants would help me feel 100x better than just having a concrete court-yard or whatever institutions consider the equivalent.  When my dad was in a nursing home, I lamented his general lack of nurturing, because I believe if he'd been more so inclined, he'd probably have helped himself feel better at least a couple of weeks sooner.
 
/shrug
 
2013-04-01 03:27:58 AM  

Shyla: So many questions....
 
"yet she has been re-homed in a first floor in Castle Vale flat "
 
BUT
 
Yvonne's anxiety about her new home was heightened when there was a fire in her neighbour's flat two weeks ago and she found herself trapped.
"I was terrified," she said.
"I called the fire brigade and they said to get out. I told them I couldn't because I couldn't get my wheelchair down the stairs."


This one, at least, has an explanation. The British use "first floor" to refer to the floor after the first flight of stairs. To get an apartment she could get into without stairs, she would need a "ground floor" apartment.
 
2013-04-01 03:41:03 AM  
Ah yes, socialism at it's finest.
 
2013-04-01 03:47:30 AM  
Explain to me, a Yank, exactly what are these 'Councils' in England and are they elected officials?

Around here, if you're ill and in subsidized housing, they will not kick you out so long as the rent is paid and the lawn mowed. Even if you're in the hospital.

Now, your neighbors might break in and steal everything of value, but if friends or family regularly check on the property and secure it, things will be fine.

If you own the home, so long as the yearly taxes are paid, it can't be taken from you. Again, the yard must be maintained.

If this council works for the good of the city/village/town, then it's their business to know the resident is in the hospital then they should not bother with her home so long as her part of the rent is paid.

If she was required to move because no one knew how long she would remain in a coma, then her goods should have been stored at council's expense in a warehouse. Even then, some of the cost could be alleviated from whatever income she had, since she was no longer paying rent. The rest of her income should have been banked and held in trust.

Have these Councils been taking lessons from American HOA's? If so, that's probably a real bad idea.

My aunt had to enter a nursing home and we -- meaning myself and the rest of the family -- cleared out her place, stored what we could and, with her permission, sold her home. The funds were transferred directly into her bank. My spare room is still packed nearly to the ceiling with much of her stuff -- and it's been there 10 years.

When her funds started to run out, my older brother took over handling her account, supplementing her income with some of his savings and working to get her on assistance programs. (He, being the smart one of the family, financially, has the most money.

I'm the dumbshiat. Always broke. I get called in to handle the medical and psychological problems.

My second brother gets called in to handle repairs on cars and homes since he's a wizz with his hands and a highly trained mechanic. His wife handles researching, obtaining and getting any legal documents completed. She works in the police department.)

We might not all get along that well, but we do what is necessary for each other.
 
2013-04-01 04:22:13 AM  

gingerfish109: I don't see the issue here.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but she was living in council housing.  That's publicly-subsidized housing.  She wasn't using it, and as she was in a coma, wasn't about to be using it for the forseeable future.  Given that, they reassigned this limited resource of publicly subsidized housing to someone else that needed it.
When she came out of the coma, she was again given housing, this time to one more appropriate for a person requiring a wheelchair (first floor, no yard to maintain).
Correct me if I'm missing the point.


Not only that, but everything was completely avoidable but her family chose this outcome. They were told they just needed someone to occupy the house 3 days a week, any of her kids or relatives could have done this. Regardless, she was given similar housing when she recovered from her coma.
 
Also, yes, the furniture didn't need to be sold, but her kids (again) decided this was the easiest thing to do since they didn't want to bear the cost or inconvience of storing it.
 
I mean, really, the amazing thing here is that this woman has been given hundreds of thousands of dollars of public health care and housing and still someone is trying to make hay out of this story. I'm practically stunned that anyone would be dumb enough to take any of these claims seriously.
 
2013-04-01 04:52:10 AM  

Smackledorfer: If only we lived in an anarchistic society she could have stayed in the coma as long as she liked and all her stuff would still be around.


An anarchic society would be so much better organised than this one.
 
2013-04-01 04:53:49 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Imagine just for a moment that the fire department didn't get there in time to get her out of the building and she died. Do you get the point now?


If the building has been properly designed for wheelchair users, as seems to be the case, it will have suitable refuges, firedoors, flameproof materials and so on. We don;t insist that cripples wpend their entire lives on the ground floor.
 
2013-04-01 05:39:31 AM  

orbister: Bathia_Mapes: Imagine just for a moment that the fire department didn't get there in time to get her out of the building and she died. Do you get the point now?

If the building has been properly designed for wheelchair users, as seems to be the case, it will have suitable refuges, firedoors, flameproof materials and so on. We don;t insist that cripples wpend their entire lives on the ground floor.


The elevator is disabled in the event of a fire. How is she supposed to get downstairs?
 
2013-04-01 06:06:21 AM  
The government that gave me a free house took it away (to give to someone else), while I was spending 14 months getting free medical care, following my free medical operation.  Now I have a new house, that they gave me, BUT IT ISN'T THE ONE I WANT.
 
THOSE JERKS!
 
2013-04-01 07:10:25 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: The government that gave me a free house took it away (to give to someone else), while I was spending 14 months getting free medical care, following my free medical operation.  Now I have a new house, that they gave me, BUT IT ISN'T THE ONE I WANT.
 
THOSE JERKS!


A lesson in crisis communications:

PLAN A: Granma's about to die, so move her out of the apartment and sell all her stuff.

PLAN B: She's still alive! Quick, run to the media and blame the government.
 
2013-04-01 07:58:39 AM  

gingerfish109: I don't see the issue here.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but she was living in council housing.  That's publicly-subsidized housing.  She wasn't using it, and as she was in a coma, wasn't about to be using it for the forseeable future.  Given that, they reassigned this limited resource of publicly subsidized housing to someone else that needed it.
When she came out of the coma, she was again given housing, this time to one more appropriate for a person requiring a wheelchair (first floor, no yard to maintain).
Correct me if I'm missing the point.


On top of which, it could have been avoided by anyone in her family living there just 3 days a week. It could have been 3 different people, just so long as the place was occupied. They were all too "busy." And it was them that sold her stuff.
 
2013-04-01 08:07:09 AM  

Yes please: jtown: The city didn't sell her stuff.  Her family did.  They weren't forced to sell it.  They only had to remove it because they couldn't be bothered to occupy a free flat.  And the city didn't kick her out of her house.  They kicked her out of the city's house because nobody was using it and they've clearly got a long list of people waiting for housing.  The city wouldn't have kicked her out of the house if it had been occupied three days per week.  That's pretty darn lenient and accommodating.  Sounds to me like her family sucks.  They double-failed their mom.  All they had to do was squat on the property part time.  Billy takes Friday night, Tommy takes Saturday night, Beth takes Sunday night.  Nobody gets evicted, nobody sells mom's property.  How impossible would that have been?

They also couldn't bother to take her in once she woke up. Instead, they make her live in a free apartment that doesn't even have a garden.  Because clearly, for someone who's wheelchair bound and just came out of a fourteen month coma gardening is a first priority.


RTA: The new place has a communal garden, not a private garden for just her.  And to add to your point, in her present condition she can't do any gardening herself anyway.
 
2013-04-01 09:04:50 AM  
Some people lack reading comprehension around here. Before I continue, I am quite a Libby lib by most standards and wish the government here provided health care and housing.
 
1. The old lady with the 8 adult kids is not the lady in the coma but her mom.
 
2. The siblings of the lady in the come, not the government, sold her stuff.
 
3. I know a harder, yard, whatever can be healing but the lady can't take care of it herself, her Mom probably can't, and her siblings obviously aren't interested in helping her. Should the government provide lawn service as well as housing.
 
4. That said, the government should at least give the lady a "ground floor" flat.
 
2013-04-01 12:07:19 PM  

gingerfish109: I don't see the issue here.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but she was living in council housing.  That's publicly-subsidized housing.  She wasn't using it, and as she was in a coma, wasn't about to be using it for the forseeable future.  Given that, they reassigned this limited resource of publicly subsidized housing to someone else that needed it.
When she came out of the coma, she was again given housing, this time to one more appropriate for a person requiring a wheelchair (first floor, no yard to maintain).
Correct me if I'm missing the point.


That's what it sounds like to me.
 
2013-04-01 01:51:10 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: "I called the fire brigade and they said to get out. I told them I couldn't because I couldn't get my wheelchair down the stairs. The lifts don't work in a fire and the fire doors automatically lock.


You know, I've always wondered about this.  I know there's good reasons to not have elevators operating in a fire situation, but how are you supposed to get the disabled out in that case?

Some reading shows that the current answer can be 'hang around in a safe spot like the stairwell until the fire department can get there', but to me that's still hanging around in a burning building longer.

Another solution being proposed is fire rated elevators that can safely operate in a fire.
 
2013-04-01 03:25:08 PM  
Bullet cost $0.25

Housing and Medical Bills cost over the last ten years including a 14 month stint in a hospital
$500,000

Survival of the fittest- Priceless for humanity

Please Please Please for the love of God, let people that should have died, die. She has no quality of life, and is just a burden to her family.

/Before you say "if it was your _____" remember, I would have pulled the damn plug after two weeks.
 
2013-04-01 04:39:00 PM  
Nice empty article you farking chump
 
2013-04-01 04:46:29 PM  

Abacus9: Tumunga: d-fens99: Obama

Uhm, this right up here ^
 
/I don't care if he/she's trolling.

Because Obama rules the U.K.?


University of Kentucky? I knew Drew was a FarkLibtard.
 
2013-04-01 05:18:46 PM  

firefly212: wygit: I'm not sure how things work in Britain, but how did the Council get to kick her out?
Did she own it? Was it a subsidized flat? Was she not paying rent?
If you had an apartment here in the states and you were in the hospital for 14 months without anyone making arrangements to pay the rent, you'd come back and find all your possessions had been sold to pay the back rent, and someone else living there.
 
Not being snarky, actually curious about what the setup is there.

The city council owned the property, and it was subsidized... after a year, they said it had been vacant for too long and other people who would actually live there should be able to rent it, so they evicted her. The stuff was sold because her family didn't have a place to put it all. The council's official position was that if someone from her family lived there three days a week, they could keep the subsidized place, but nobody was available to do even that much. It is a really sucky situation for all involved, but the council has to consider not just the person who lived in the house, but the people struggling to get by who also really needed some subsidized housing. It doesn't seem (from the article) like anyone was particularly hasty in their decision to evict her.
 
The new, also subsidized, first floor flat... this should take little explanation (I've become all too familiar with mobility challenges) in a lot of apartment buildings, they will make the first floor handicap accessible (the lady is in a motorized wheelchair and very much needs that accessibility)... they do that because it is cheaper to have handicap accessible first floor, then use stairs for higher floors than to install/maintain elevators. Also, in terms of subsidized housing facilities, by housing multiple people in need of health services in the same building, they make it more cost effective to have doctors, nurses, and other home health professionals (sometimes just people to help with things like cooking or baths) to ...


In the UK, the "first floor" is what we call the second floor. What we call the "first floor" here in the US is known as the "ground floor" in the UK. Hence the part about her being trapped during the fire. Now THAT was a stupid decision on the part of the council: Hmm, we have a wheelchair- bound woman... let's put her upstairs, where she's stuck if a fire breaks out because the elevators shut down! BRILLIANT!
 
2013-04-01 07:15:28 PM  

Abacus9: The elevator is disabled in the event of a fire. How is she supposed to get downstairs?


She isn't. That's the point of refuges, fireproof materials, sprinklers and so on. In my office building, for example, every floor has a fire refuge for mobility-impaired people. The fire brigade know exactly where these places are and are equipped to get people out of them if necessary.

Wheelchairs need not be confined to the ground floor.
 
2013-04-01 08:12:25 PM  

Greek: firefly212: wygit: I'm not sure how things work in Britain, but how did the Council get to kick her out?
Did she own it? Was it a subsidized flat? Was she not paying rent?
If you had an apartment here in the states and you were in the hospital for 14 months without anyone making arrangements to pay the rent, you'd come back and find all your possessions had been sold to pay the back rent, and someone else living there.
 
Not being snarky, actually curious about what the setup is there.

The city council owned the property, and it was subsidized... after a year, they said it had been vacant for too long and other people who would actually live there should be able to rent it, so they evicted her. The stuff was sold because her family didn't have a place to put it all. The council's official position was that if someone from her family lived there three days a week, they could keep the subsidized place, but nobody was available to do even that much. It is a really sucky situation for all involved, but the council has to consider not just the person who lived in the house, but the people struggling to get by who also really needed some subsidized housing. It doesn't seem (from the article) like anyone was particularly hasty in their decision to evict her.
 
The new, also subsidized, first floor flat... this should take little explanation (I've become all too familiar with mobility challenges) in a lot of apartment buildings, they will make the first floor handicap accessible (the lady is in a motorized wheelchair and very much needs that accessibility)... they do that because it is cheaper to have handicap accessible first floor, then use stairs for higher floors than to install/maintain elevators. Also, in terms of subsidized housing facilities, by housing multiple people in need of health services in the same building, they make it more cost effective to have doctors, nurses, and other home health professionals (sometimes just people to help with things like cooking ...


Please pardon my cultural misunderstanding on that one.... I certainly do hope they have the same fire codes for disabled housing over there that they have over here.
 
2013-04-02 12:22:34 AM  

orbister: Abacus9: The elevator is disabled in the event of a fire. How is she supposed to get downstairs?

She isn't. That's the point of refuges, fireproof materials, sprinklers and so on. In my office building, for example, every floor has a fire refuge for mobility-impaired people. The fire brigade know exactly where these places are and are equipped to get people out of them if necessary.

Wheelchairs need not be confined to the ground floor.


This wasn't some fancy office, it was government-run housing/apartment. They probably don't have a fire refuge.
 
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