queezyweezel: Didn't JC advocate free will? I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.
KWess: Deuteronomy 15:7-11 If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be.
CanisNoir: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I would hold that by putting your faith in a non-existent afterlife you are shortchanging the one life you will ever have.How does having faith in an afterlife short change the life we're living? That's like saying an Atheist can have no ethics because they don't believe in God. The two are not mutually exclusive you know. (And yes I know some people make that claim about Atheists, I'm not one of them.)
skilbride: The problem there lies in the fact that 70% of the population identifies as Christian - but when you break it down, how many of them have actually picked up the bible, or gone to church?
Fubini: 31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
skilbride: Hi! Christian over here!I really want to talk politics with you guys, but I don't feel like I can particularly It's not that I am a person who goes around trying to convince people to join my church, or I spend a lot of time talking about my personal relationship with God... but I get the feeling that among the liberal crowd in fark I'm not welcome.Never mind that I think there should be some sort of baseline healthcare (although I don't agree forcing us to pay insurance companies is the way to do it), nevermind that I actually think gays should be allowed to marry (and have picked a church that supports my views) but the mere fact that I believe in God, and Christ, has made me feel like - in these threads at least - even if I get into the nitty gritty and explain to you why the people really hate this kind of stuff, you would disregard and attack me because of my faith.So if you really want to know, I can tell you how it contradicts with the Christian values - but if you're just trolling and getting on the Christian hate train, I won't waste my breath.
The_Forensicator: Great article.
Amos Quito: [25.media.tumblr.com image 300x410]Christianity is all about Single Payer
rohar: Smackledorfer: rohar: I'm honestly agnostic.Are you a theist or an atheist (you can't be neither)?I'm completely fascinated with religion. I attend any number of religious events/sermons. I don't believe in any of them. I'm not sure what that makes me.
gingerjet: sugardave: That's what you say, but, as I already pointed out, Christians have no problems lying if it promotes the faith. Your protestations mean nothing.You must be great fun at parties.
skilbride: How presumptuous of you to assume that just because I'm Christian I'm not one of the people out there discovering amazing new things every day. Or that I don't appreciate science, etc etc.
skilbride: Or, I'm enriching it but living in a way that benefits those around me?
skilbride: Listen, if you want to seriously sit down and talk and learn to how I got here from where I was (which wasn't all that different from you) in 28 years, I can
skilbride: Like I said, I picked a church that doesn't contradict my views
skilbride: How can you hate Christian's as a whole and judge them as a group because they believe in the bible, and then espouse hatred towards them for judging people on their actions.
CanisNoir: It just seems to me that you have a very incomplete idea of American Christianity, it's history, it's works and it's beliefs and therefore are not basing your opinion on much that is factual.
CanisNoir: I'm not sure what "Prosperity Gospel" is, but it sounds pretty shaitty just on it's face, so I for one will say screw Prosperity Gospel.
skilbride: The bible is our holy book. Just because some fringe assholes who we don't respect bastardize it doesn't mean you should, and to do so while calling Christian's as a whole intolerant, racist, assholes is the height of hypocrisy
CanisNoir: Lionel Mandrake: There is nothing "Christian" about being anti-marriage equality. It's just raw, crass bigotry.And here it is, the end game... It's not Bigotry, and there *is* marriage equality. Nobody is telling any man that they can't marry a woman, or a woman that she can't marry a man. Everyone has the same right to get married. It's marriage re-definition, not equality that you're after, and once you have it, then you can scream "bigotry" at any religious institution that doesn't want to go along with your re-definition due to moral or theological reasons. The Islamic faith is the harshest against homosexuals and most of the biblical teachings espoused today against it are from the Jewish teachings, yet for some reason most people who speak out for it, categorize Christians as the big meanies in this whole debate. Right now there's a majority of Americans who are against it, the number is shrinking, sure, but it's still a majority, and the last I looked, there's people of all faiths in this country, so who's to say that it's only Christians voting against it?As for Obamacare being a philosophy that Jesus would have supported, I highly doubt it. Pretty sure his teachings were about focusing on your own soul and not about having the Government force you to care for the poor through taxation.As for pulling the voting levers to enforce morality, well, that's just something you're going to have to swallow if you want to live in a democratic republic, where we, the people, attempt to govern ourselves. The reasons behind the choices we make can't be gotten rid of - Those who support Gay Marriage vote the way they do out of a personal set of ethics, just as those who are against it do. They are both entitled to vote based upon their personal ethics regardless of how they came about them.
skilbride: sugardave: You are laboring under the (INCREDIBLY incorrect) assumption that I want to talk to Christians. On the contrary, I want to deride them and point out their idiocy at every opportunity. Go to church, worship your drity, but STFU about it and let rational people run things. You can still feel smug that we'll all be burning in Hell, but I feel it is an unfair burden on me that I can't beat the everlasting snot out of you for threatening me.Where exactly did I threaten you?
CanisNoir: sugardave: Seriously? Does coveting a particular charitable action help or hinder your ascension to paradise?You are completely missing his point, or purposefully trying to be obtuse. A "good" work cannot be "good" if it's forced. Christ and Christian teachings are about doing "good" works. Having the government force you to do it, takes it out of the realm of "good" works, so it's wrong to say that Jesus and Christians should support the Government forcing people to do it.
balloot: It's amusing that someone thinks Christians give a damn about what the Bible says.
Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The key point here is that Christ was speaking about voluntary INDIVIDUAL actions - NOT collective actions forced at the end of a government gun. Morality pertains to individuals, not collectives.
Lionel Mandrake: There is nothing "Christian" about being anti-marriage equality. It's just raw, crass bigotry.
The_Forensicator: neongoats: But Obamers a muslin and GWB was the BESTEST PREZ EVAR EXCEPT RAGAN SO THE MUD PPL musT DIE of AIDS in teh ghetto streets.Huh?Obama is against single payer, despite your odd little meltdown there. Well, he was for it once. Then he was kinda so-so on the idea, then it was no. A bit like SSM really.
Weaver95: I don't think most christians here in the US worship Jesus Christ.
Weaver95: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Didn't Jesus also have a problem with money lenders getting too close with religious leaders?very much so. in fact, Christ also had big issues with mixing wealth and religion in any manner. he beat the snot outta bankers who set up shop outside the temple. the megachurches in this country would have appalled him.
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