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(RedState)   If the levers of State are to be wielded to enforce the commands of Scripture, such as not allowing gay marriage, then why the hell are we opposing Obamacare - which is the most Christ-like thing the government has ever done?   (redstate.com) divider line 43
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2013-03-31 05:04:06 PM
10 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com

Christianity is all about Single Payer
2013-03-31 02:43:01 PM
8 votes:

queezyweezel: Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.


Yes, let's examine all of Christ's teachings on buying health care:

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Fascinating.
2013-03-31 05:54:44 PM
4 votes:

KWess: Deuteronomy 15:7-11 If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be.


Deuteronomy 15:11a(3)(m)(7): And yea and verily shalt thou give Caesar a piece of the action, and fillest out ye the multitudes of forms in triplicate, taking care that thou usest the blue pen and not the black which is forbidden, and if thou liketh not the ordeal ye shall be cast into Somalia to wail and grind your teeth, for maybe ye like it better there. Thus endeth the argument, for the almighty State shall grow forever and ever, amen*.

* - 'amen' is not intended as an endorsement of any religion, creed, or spiritual worldview
2013-03-31 06:25:25 PM
3 votes:
Need proof that God hates gays?  Jesus was married and had TONS of heterosexual sex with his wife.  Oh, hang on.  It turns out he was unmarried and hung out with 12 dudes most of the time.  The straightest guy ever.
2013-03-31 02:30:51 PM
3 votes:
The coloreds will be allowed to use it.
2013-03-31 02:21:18 PM
3 votes:
we're having a nice schimp dinner.
2013-03-31 10:48:50 PM
2 votes:
jewmanist.com
2013-03-31 08:03:01 PM
2 votes:

CanisNoir: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I would hold that by putting your faith in a non-existent afterlife you are shortchanging the one life you will ever have.

How does having faith in an afterlife short change the life we're living? That's like saying an Atheist can have no ethics because they don't believe in God. The two are not mutually exclusive you know. (And yes I know some people make that claim about Atheists, I'm not one of them.)


Because it's the internet where people are belligerent?

Trying to explain one's faith, or lack thereof, on the internet has a success rate slightly less than trying to make a quantum portal opener out of a remote control to find the one universe where Kate Upton will blow me.
2013-03-31 07:56:43 PM
2 votes:
Also, somebody tell the commenters that no, the Bible is not explicitly the Word of God. We're not dealing with the Qu'ran here.

Most of those Red State commenters are trying to kill Christianity secretly, I'm sure of it.
2013-03-31 07:30:48 PM
2 votes:

skilbride: The problem there lies in the fact that 70% of the population identifies as Christian - but when you break it down, how many of them have actually picked up the bible, or gone to church?


So you're saying they're not from Scotland?
2013-03-31 07:16:10 PM
2 votes:

Fubini: 31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.


I always liked Terry Pratchett's take on that one:

"The merest accident of microgeography had meant that the first man to hear the voice of Om, and who gave Om his view of humans, was a shepherd and not a goatherd. They have quite different ways of looking at the world, and the whole of history might have been different. For sheep are stupid, and have to be driven. But goats are intelligent, and need to be led."
2013-03-31 07:00:20 PM
2 votes:

skilbride: Hi!  Christian over here!

I really want to talk politics with you guys, but I don't feel like I can particularly   It's not that I am a person who goes around trying to convince people to join my church, or I spend a lot of time talking about my personal relationship with God... but I get the feeling that among the liberal crowd in fark I'm not welcome.

Never mind that I think there should be some sort of baseline healthcare (although I don't agree forcing us to pay insurance companies is the way to do it), nevermind that I actually think gays should be allowed to marry (and have picked a church that supports my views) but the mere fact that I believe in God, and Christ, has made me feel like - in these threads at least - even if I get into the nitty gritty and explain to you why the people really hate this kind of stuff, you would disregard and attack me because of my faith.

So if you really want to know, I can tell you how it contradicts with the Christian values - but if you're just trolling and getting on the Christian hate train, I won't waste my breath.


Woo, mission accomplished...now watch this drive!
2013-03-31 06:38:38 PM
2 votes:
[sarcasm]Damn cripples messing up the line to salvation!!![/sarcasm]


i.imgur.com
2013-03-31 06:25:17 PM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-03-31 06:17:06 PM
2 votes:

The_Forensicator: Great article.


I didn't expect to find anything I agree with in a Redstate article. I tripped over my own bias.
2013-03-31 06:14:34 PM
2 votes:

Amos Quito: [25.media.tumblr.com image 300x410]

Christianity is all about Single Payer


I think you mean "single prayer"
2013-03-31 10:37:39 PM
1 votes:

rohar: Smackledorfer: rohar: I'm honestly agnostic.

Are you a theist or an atheist (you can't be neither)?

I'm completely fascinated with religion.  I attend any number of religious events/sermons.  I don't believe in any of them.  I'm not sure what that makes me.


Northeastern Catholic, I think.
2013-03-31 10:13:53 PM
1 votes:

gingerjet: sugardave: That's what you say, but, as I already pointed out, Christians have no problems lying if it promotes the faith. Your protestations mean nothing.

You must be great fun at parties.


he might be if he is ever invited to one
2013-03-31 10:09:41 PM
1 votes:

skilbride: How presumptuous of you to assume that just because I'm Christian I'm not one of the people out there discovering amazing new things every day. Or that I don't appreciate science, etc etc.


I don't know you from Adam (heh) but use of phrases like "the bible is our holy book" is indicative of magical, wishful thinking. And all of the anti-science, teach the controversy, Noah's-ark-was-real cartoonery seems to be coming from people who self-identify as Christians. I'm sure there are plenty of people in the south who fly the confederate flag in celebration of history, but they get lumped in with the racist douchebags all the same. You might be working on the Hadron Collider, but if you identify with a religion known for its anti-science ideology, people are going to treat you differently.

skilbride:I tend to exclusively date middle eastern, Muslim men...I have faced less hate, and more understanding from THEM, no matter how devout they are, then I do from people who have no faith.

It's not very surprising that men predisposed to mystic thinking and rigid religious authority would be understanding of a woman with similar beliefs. Think about it... if you met a guy who seemed great, then found out he was a Scientologist, wouldn't it change your perception of him? Just knowing that he really believed all their nutty things that someone made up? Well that's how Christians tend to come across to those of us who don't have that set of beliefs.
2013-03-31 08:28:56 PM
1 votes:
you guys care way too much about magic
2013-03-31 08:08:18 PM
1 votes:

skilbride: Or, I'm enriching it but living in a way that benefits those around me?


I've known Christians my entire life. You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical of that claim.

I'm not saying you don't believe it, I'm just saying that your definition of "benefit" may be wildly different than mine. The god botherers who occasionally show up on my doorstep to sell me an afterlife for the low, low cost of my soul, ten percent of my income, and my Sunday mornings firmly believe they benefit those around them.

skilbride: Listen, if you want to seriously sit down and talk and learn to how I got here from where I was (which wasn't all that different from you) in 28 years, I can


Considering that I've come from a Christian upbringing and through study of the Bible and the religion have determined that it's fantasy, I say good luck.

skilbride: Like I said, I picked a church that doesn't contradict my views


If anything, that should make you question whether your belief system is congruent with reality.
2013-03-31 08:04:48 PM
1 votes:

skilbride: How can you hate Christian's as a whole and judge them as a group because they believe in the bible, and then espouse hatred towards them for judging people on their actions.


I don't want to speak for others in this thread, but I think much of the foundation of hatred for the Bible comes from the fact that between the Old Testament and Paul's epistles, Jesus's message of love tends to get thrown on the back burner. It's actually not a very big part of the Bible as a whole, comprising only four books and a fraction of a fifth.

If I were gay, I wouldn't like the Old Testament writers or Paul very much at all.

The other problem that nonChristian people tend to have with Christians is that many who call themselves Christians and say they believe in the Bible do so in such a way that their blind (and I mean to the exclusion of physical evidence) faith in their belief that the Bible is completely inerrant makes it so that it is difficult to convince them of anything to the contrary. My sister just filled out a science paper for her daughter explaining that the book of Genesis says the Earth was created first, and the "lesser lights of the night" weren't created until Day 4, therefore the science textbook that states Mercury formed before the Earth was incorrect. I have no patience with people that refuse to look at scientific evidence because it conflicts with their own previously held beliefs. I think if my sister were a few thousand years older she would be there holding the cup of hemlock for Socrates.
2013-03-31 08:00:28 PM
1 votes:

CanisNoir: It just seems to me that you have a very incomplete idea of American Christianity, it's history, it's works and it's beliefs and therefore are not basing your opinion on much that is factual.


CanisNoir: I'm not sure what "Prosperity Gospel" is, but it sounds pretty shaitty just on it's face, so I for one will say screw Prosperity Gospel.


We're supposed to believe you're an expert on American Christianity, but you've never heard of prosperity gospel?  Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
2013-03-31 07:44:36 PM
1 votes:

skilbride: The bible is our holy book. Just because some fringe assholes who we don't respect bastardize it doesn't mean you should, and to do so while calling Christian's as a whole intolerant, racist, assholes is the height of hypocrisy


How about if we just roll our eyes and "call you out" for being an allegedly sentient being in the 21st century who believes in a holy book? There are people in the world who are discovering amazing new real things every day, and a lot of us are tired of having to "respect" the magical thinking practiced by fearful idiots clutching a book of stories made up by illiterate shepherds as they crouched around a dung fire 2,000 years ago, making up stories to explain where the sun goes at night.
2013-03-31 07:42:10 PM
1 votes:

CanisNoir: Lionel Mandrake: There is nothing "Christian" about being anti-marriage equality. It's just raw, crass bigotry.

And here it is, the end game... It's not Bigotry, and there *is* marriage equality. Nobody is telling any man that they can't marry a woman, or a woman that she can't marry a man. Everyone has the same right to get married. It's marriage re-definition, not equality that you're after, and once you have it, then you can scream "bigotry" at any religious institution that doesn't want to go along with your re-definition due to moral or theological reasons. The Islamic faith is the harshest against homosexuals and most of the biblical teachings espoused today against it are from the Jewish teachings, yet for some reason most people who speak out for it, categorize Christians as the big meanies in this whole debate. Right now there's a majority of Americans who are against it, the number is shrinking, sure, but it's still a majority, and the last I looked, there's people of all faiths in this country, so who's to say that it's only Christians voting against it?

As for Obamacare being a philosophy that Jesus would have supported, I highly doubt it. Pretty sure his teachings were about focusing on your own soul and not about having the Government force you to care for the poor through taxation.

As for pulling the voting levers to enforce morality, well, that's just something you're going to have to swallow if you want to live in a democratic republic, where we, the people, attempt to govern ourselves. The reasons behind the choices we make can't be gotten rid of - Those who support Gay Marriage vote the way they do out of a personal set of ethics, just as those who are against it do. They are both entitled to vote based upon their personal ethics regardless of how they came about them.


Congrats potatohead your are the first person on my ignore list, a feature I might add I have made fun of others for using. Reading the mental vomit that you seem to think are pithy words however, is five seconds I can use to do something constructive like pick my nose.
2013-03-31 07:32:11 PM
1 votes:

skilbride: sugardave: You are laboring under the (INCREDIBLY incorrect) assumption that I want to talk to Christians. On the contrary, I want to deride them and point out their idiocy at every opportunity. Go to church, worship your drity, but STFU about it and let rational people run things. You can still feel smug that we'll all be burning in Hell, but I feel it is an unfair burden on me that I can't beat the everlasting snot out of you for threatening me.

Where exactly did I threaten you?


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2013-03-31 07:29:05 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: [25.media.tumblr.com image 300x410]

Christianity is all about Single Payer


What could your parents have possibly done to you?
2013-03-31 07:22:21 PM
1 votes:

CanisNoir: sugardave: Seriously? Does coveting a particular charitable action help or hinder your ascension to paradise?

You are completely missing his point, or purposefully trying to be obtuse. A "good" work cannot be "good" if it's forced. Christ and Christian teachings are about doing "good" works. Having the government force you to do it, takes it out of the realm of "good" works, so it's wrong to say that Jesus and Christians should support the Government forcing people to do it.


His point distilled to "they're takin' our jerbz" vis a vis charitable giving, which I see you left out.
2013-03-31 07:18:28 PM
1 votes:
Hey this is the first time the politics tab is less nauseating than the sports tab.
2013-03-31 07:13:23 PM
1 votes:

balloot: It's amusing that someone thinks Christians give a damn about what the Bible says.


Of course they do, especially when they can find a piece of scripture to reinforce their already strongly held belief, even if it means ignoring other pieces of scripture that go against other strongly held beliefs, or even the same one!
2013-03-31 07:02:55 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The key point here is that Christ was speaking about voluntary INDIVIDUAL actions - NOT collective actions forced at the end of a government gun. Morality pertains to individuals, not collectives.


Except when it applies to what you do in your bedroom.
2013-03-31 07:01:13 PM
1 votes:

balloot: It's amusing that someone thinks Christians give a damn about what the Bible says.


The Bible is for justifying the the things Christians want to do, like own slaves and ostracize people that look different or like different things.

The Bible is not for describing a path to salvation that demands compassion, self control, and an honest attempt to improve.
2013-03-31 06:58:05 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: There is nothing "Christian" about being anti-marriage equality. It's just raw, crass bigotry.


And here it is, the end game... It's not Bigotry, and there *is* marriage equality. Nobody is telling any man that they can't marry a woman, or a woman that she can't marry a man. Everyone has the same right to get married. It's marriage re-definition, not equality that you're after, and once you have it, then you can scream "bigotry" at any religious institution that doesn't want to go along with your re-definition due to moral or theological reasons. The Islamic faith is the harshest against homosexuals and most of the biblical teachings espoused today against it are from the Jewish teachings, yet for some reason most people who speak out for it, categorize Christians as the big meanies in this whole debate. Right now there's a majority of Americans who are against it, the number is shrinking, sure, but it's still a majority, and the last I looked, there's people of all faiths in this country, so who's to say that it's only Christians voting against it?

As for Obamacare being a philosophy that Jesus would have supported, I highly doubt it. Pretty sure his teachings were about focusing on your own soul and not about having the Government force you to care for the poor through taxation.

As for pulling the voting levers to enforce morality, well, that's just something you're going to have to swallow if you want to live in a democratic republic, where we, the people, attempt to govern ourselves. The reasons behind the choices we make can't be gotten rid of - Those who support Gay Marriage vote the way they do out of a personal set of ethics, just as those who are against it do. They are both entitled to vote based upon their personal ethics regardless of how they came about them.
2013-03-31 06:50:03 PM
1 votes:
All of Jesus' examples of caring for the sick involved conjuring them magically to health at no cost with sorcerous powers inherited from your father.

I'm... not really sure that translates to, y'know, reality, where caring for sickness involves effort and expenditure of resources well in excess of negligible inconvenience.
2013-03-31 06:45:30 PM
1 votes:

The_Forensicator: neongoats: But Obamers a muslin and GWB was the BESTEST PREZ EVAR EXCEPT RAGAN SO THE MUD PPL musT DIE of AIDS in teh ghetto streets.

Huh?

Obama is against single payer, despite your odd little meltdown there.  Well, he was for it once.  Then he was kinda so-so on the idea, then it was no.  A bit like SSM really.


I don't care what Obama's position on health care is. I care that GOP obstructionism is primarily what tanked any real health care reform and gave us this castrated half measure that is really just a a good long handjob for big insurance.
2013-03-31 06:24:16 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: I don't think most christians here in the US worship Jesus Christ.


If Jesus came back tomorrow, the troglodytes that inhabit RedState will be heading straight to Lowe's (Home Depot is too friendly towards teh ghey) to buy hammers, nails and 2x6es.
2013-03-31 06:19:31 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
2013-03-31 06:09:36 PM
1 votes:

queezyweezel: Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.


Are you seriously advocating that Christ was an anarchist who was against all laws period, or are you just a troll or mentally deficient little monkey?
2013-03-31 06:05:04 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Didn't Jesus also have a problem with money lenders getting too close with religious leaders?

very much so.  in fact, Christ also had big issues with mixing wealth and religion in any manner.  he beat the snot outta bankers who set up shop outside the temple.  the megachurches in this country would have appalled him.


Yeah, but this case is different because gay people are icky. Jesus certainly didn't mention anything about being nice to people different from yourself.
2013-03-31 05:47:57 PM
1 votes:
I keep trying to explain to the GOP rank and file that if they wanna be christians they have to follow ALL of christ's commands - that includes healing the sick and helping the poor.  you can't be rich dickheads to people either - you gotta be really really nice to the people who are down on their luck.

none of them listen tho.  they just scream 'socalisms' and run away.
2013-03-31 03:39:30 PM
1 votes:
The you go again, trying to use logic to understand the Christian right's thinking.
2013-03-31 03:28:53 PM
1 votes:
I don't think most christians here in the US worship Jesus Christ.
2013-03-31 02:31:10 PM
1 votes:
Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.
 
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