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(RedState)   If the levers of State are to be wielded to enforce the commands of Scripture, such as not allowing gay marriage, then why the hell are we opposing Obamacare - which is the most Christ-like thing the government has ever done?   (redstate.com) divider line 522
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2013-03-31 02:21:18 PM  
we're having a nice schimp dinner.
 
2013-03-31 02:30:51 PM  
The coloreds will be allowed to use it.
 
2013-03-31 02:31:10 PM  
Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.
 
2013-03-31 02:43:01 PM  

queezyweezel: Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.


Yes, let's examine all of Christ's teachings on buying health care:

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Fascinating.
 
2013-03-31 03:11:30 PM  
There is a very good blah explanation for that subs.

A very blah one indeed.
 
2013-03-31 03:28:53 PM  
I don't think most christians here in the US worship Jesus Christ.
 
2013-03-31 03:39:30 PM  
The you go again, trying to use logic to understand the Christian right's thinking.
 
2013-03-31 04:01:46 PM  

GAT_00: queezyweezel: Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.

Yes, let's examine all of Christ's teachings on buying health care:

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Fascinating.


Awesome.
 
2013-03-31 04:58:29 PM  

GAT_00: queezyweezel: Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.

Yes, let's examine all of Christ's teachings on buying health care:

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Fascinating.


There is actually some things, but they won't be particularly reassuring for the 'I got mine' crowd.


How about this:

Leviticus 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumbling-block before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

And this:

Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.

And more broadly speaking:

Deuteronomy 15:7-11 If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, 'The seventh year, the year of release is near,' and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.'

Also, it seems to me that Jesus ran a series of free walk-in clinics:

Matthew 4:23-24 And he went throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom and healing every disease and every affliction among the people. So his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought him all the sick, those afflicted with various diseases and pains, those oppressed by demons, epileptics, and paralytics, and he healed them.
 
2013-03-31 05:04:06 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com

Christianity is all about Single Payer
 
2013-03-31 05:09:44 PM  
Meanwhile back at the ranch...

www.politicalnewsnow.com

"Render unto Caesar..."
 
2013-03-31 05:47:57 PM  
I keep trying to explain to the GOP rank and file that if they wanna be christians they have to follow ALL of christ's commands - that includes healing the sick and helping the poor.  you can't be rich dickheads to people either - you gotta be really really nice to the people who are down on their luck.

none of them listen tho.  they just scream 'socalisms' and run away.
 
2013-03-31 05:49:06 PM  
If, as the anti-SSM crowd would have it, the levers of State are to be wielded to enforce the commands of Scripture, then pardon me, but what the H-E-double-hockey-sticks are we doing spending so much time, energy and effort fighting to overturn Obamacare? If the role of government is to enforce Biblical morality, isn't Obamacare - providing the security of medical insurance coverage to a multitude of poor, sick people who couldn't get it before, the most Christ-like thing the government has ever done??

Am I the only one who kept scrolling back up to the top of the page to make sure this was actually on Red State?

I kid but good on Erik the RedStater for promoting this "alternative" POV.
 
2013-03-31 05:52:22 PM  
Didn't Jesus also have a problem with money lenders getting too close with religious leaders?
 
2013-03-31 05:53:52 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Didn't Jesus also have a problem with money lenders getting too close with religious leaders?


very much so.  in fact, Christ also had big issues with mixing wealth and religion in any manner.  he beat the snot outta bankers who set up shop outside the temple.  the megachurches in this country would have appalled him.
 
2013-03-31 05:54:44 PM  

KWess: Deuteronomy 15:7-11 If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be.


Deuteronomy 15:11a(3)(m)(7): And yea and verily shalt thou give Caesar a piece of the action, and fillest out ye the multitudes of forms in triplicate, taking care that thou usest the blue pen and not the black which is forbidden, and if thou liketh not the ordeal ye shall be cast into Somalia to wail and grind your teeth, for maybe ye like it better there. Thus endeth the argument, for the almighty State shall grow forever and ever, amen*.

* - 'amen' is not intended as an endorsement of any religion, creed, or spiritual worldview
 
2013-03-31 06:05:04 PM  

Weaver95: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Didn't Jesus also have a problem with money lenders getting too close with religious leaders?

very much so.  in fact, Christ also had big issues with mixing wealth and religion in any manner.  he beat the snot outta bankers who set up shop outside the temple.  the megachurches in this country would have appalled him.


Yeah, but this case is different because gay people are icky. Jesus certainly didn't mention anything about being nice to people different from yourself.
 
2013-03-31 06:09:36 PM  

queezyweezel: Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.


Are you seriously advocating that Christ was an anarchist who was against all laws period, or are you just a troll or mentally deficient little monkey?
 
2013-03-31 06:11:33 PM  

Amos Quito: Meanwhile back at the ranch...

[www.politicalnewsnow.com image 585x378]

"Render unto Caesar..."


What's with the nose?  Is there something about his nose I've never noticed?
 
2013-03-31 06:13:37 PM  
I''m amazed at how many theologians don't believe in the resurrection. And many of them don't spend a lot of time convincing the believers that they shouldn't believe in the resurrection.

The most interesting explanation I heard is Jesus was drugged and after 6 hours he was taken down alive. (Six hours isn't a lot of time to die by being crucified.) The materials taken to the tomb were medicines, he was healed up and beat cheeks out of the Middle East with his wife Mary.

But as I said, there seems to be a lot of Christian leaders who have beat cheeks from the resurrection. The fact that their underlings have abandoned many of the tenets of the Sermon on the Mount shouldn't be surprising either.
 
2013-03-31 06:14:17 PM  
Great article.
 
2013-03-31 06:14:34 PM  

Amos Quito: [25.media.tumblr.com image 300x410]

Christianity is all about Single Payer


I think you mean "single prayer"
 
2013-03-31 06:15:56 PM  
Answer to subby's question:  because zOMG SOOOOOOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
2013-03-31 06:16:17 PM  
Is this headline written in some language other than English, perhaps Ebonics or Spanglish?
 
2013-03-31 06:16:53 PM  

Amos Quito: Meanwhile back at the ranch...

[www.politicalnewsnow.com image 585x378]

"Render unto Caesar..."


You get your quotes from comics? Explains a bit.
 
2013-03-31 06:17:06 PM  

The_Forensicator: Great article.


I didn't expect to find anything I agree with in a Redstate article. I tripped over my own bias.
 
2013-03-31 06:19:31 PM  
i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-31 06:19:45 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I''m amazed at how many theologians don't believe in the resurrection. And many of them don't spend a lot of time convincing the believers that they shouldn't believe in the resurrection.

The most interesting explanation I heard is Jesus was drugged and after 6 hours he was taken down alive. (Six hours isn't a lot of time to die by being crucified.) The materials taken to the tomb were medicines, he was healed up and beat cheeks out of the Middle East with his wife Mary.

But as I said, there seems to be a lot of Christian leaders who have beat cheeks from the resurrection. The fact that their underlings have abandoned many of the tenets of the Sermon on the Mount shouldn't be surprising either.


Read "The Passover Plot"  It describes Jesus being drugged with concoction that would mask death (like in Romeo and Juliet) Then he was taken down and healed. Wala.

/Honestly I don't know what happened. I wasn't there
 
2013-03-31 06:20:42 PM  
Finally a farked up headline that didn't author.
 
2013-03-31 06:20:50 PM  
What's Christian about putting vast sums of money in the insurance industry's pocket?
 
2013-03-31 06:20:58 PM  

unamused: The coloreds will be allowed to use it.


Done in two
 
2013-03-31 06:24:16 PM  

Weaver95: I don't think most christians here in the US worship Jesus Christ.


If Jesus came back tomorrow, the troglodytes that inhabit RedState will be heading straight to Lowe's (Home Depot is too friendly towards teh ghey) to buy hammers, nails and 2x6es.
 
2013-03-31 06:25:17 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-31 06:25:25 PM  
Need proof that God hates gays?  Jesus was married and had TONS of heterosexual sex with his wife.  Oh, hang on.  It turns out he was unmarried and hung out with 12 dudes most of the time.  The straightest guy ever.
 
2013-03-31 06:25:39 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: What's Christian about putting vast sums of money in the insurance industry's pocket?


You're absolutely right.  Obamacare is a watered down half measure.  Single payer works for other countries and the wingnuts have given no reason it can't work here.
 
2013-03-31 06:26:07 PM  
BECAUSE HE'S BLACK!

/And Muslin.
//and atheist
///and soshulist and a commie to boot ...
 
2013-03-31 06:27:21 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: You're absolutely right.  Obamacare is a watered down half measure.  Single payer works for other countries and the wingnuts have given no reason it can't work here.


To be fair, they have.

They just haven't given any <i>good</i> reasons.
 
2013-03-31 06:27:22 PM  

Amos Quito: Meanwhile back at the ranch...

[derp]


Hey everybody!!  Talk about what I want to talk about, not TFA!!1!
 
Good for TFA's author.  Lot's of good stuff...I particularly liked this:

Given the pattern of Jesus' own life on earth, can you really make the argument that he cares more about homosexuality than about the poor?

There is nothing "Christian" about being anti-marriage equality.  It's just raw, crass bigotry.
 
2013-03-31 06:30:49 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Phil Moskowitz: What's Christian about putting vast sums of money in the insurance industry's pocket?

You're absolutely right.  Obamacare is a watered down half measure.  Single payer works for other countries and the wingnuts have given no reason it can't work here.


It puts everyone on an even keel while still allowing those who wish to spend more to opt for private more fancy insurance.

In other words, a perfectly equitable system that would have saved lives and money. But Obamers a muslin and GWB was the BESTEST PREZ EVAR EXCEPT RAGAN SO THE MUD PPL musT DIE of AIDS in teh ghetto streets.
 
2013-03-31 06:31:13 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I''m amazed at how many theologians don't believe in the resurrection.


The oldest versions of the oldest gospel Mark end at the empty tomb verse 16:8.
 
2013-03-31 06:33:46 PM  

queezyweezel: Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.


You're not being forced to buy it. As a society, we've decided we find it morally unacceptable to let indigent people die. Until today, the responsible consumers of healthcare - people like myself who have insurance - have paid the subsidy for that, and have allowed employers and individuals use the benefit of our good will, without expecting them to pay for it.

We're getting tired of it.

We're still not willing to let you, or your kids, just bleed out in the ER. But if you insist on calling yourself a member of our society, and you reap the benefits of it - our schools, our roads, our legal and market systems, we're going to ask you to pick up a portion of your tab.

If that's too socialist for you, can I suggest, perhaps, Somalia?
 
2013-03-31 06:34:48 PM  
Bunch of socialist hippies at that website. After a pinko-lefty article like that I better make sure I never go there again
 
2013-03-31 06:35:56 PM  

neongoats: But Obamers a muslin and GWB was the BESTEST PREZ EVAR EXCEPT RAGAN SO THE MUD PPL musT DIE of AIDS in teh ghetto streets.


Huh?

Obama is against single payer, despite your odd little meltdown there.  Well, he was for it once.  Then he was kinda so-so on the idea, then it was no.  A bit like SSM really.
 
2013-03-31 06:37:54 PM  

CokeBear: Bunch of socialist hippies at that website. After a pinko-lefty article like that I better make sure I never go there again


First FOX news, now Red State.  Thanks a lot, Obama.
 
2013-03-31 06:38:38 PM  
[sarcasm]Damn cripples messing up the line to salvation!!![/sarcasm]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-31 06:38:49 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Phil Moskowitz: What's Christian about putting vast sums of money in the insurance industry's pocket?

You're absolutely right.  Obamacare is a watered down half measure.  Single payer works for other countries and the wingnuts have given no reason it can't work here.


Single payer only gets you so far.  You have to fundamentally redo the incentives in our health care system in this country.  And that's never going to happen in the current environment.

/health care is complex and while other countries debate real solutions we just have talking points
 
2013-03-31 06:39:31 PM  

GAT_00: queezyweezel: Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.

Yes, let's examine all of Christ's teachings on buying health care:

...

...

...

Fascinating.


Give to God what is God's. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's.
 
2013-03-31 06:41:15 PM  

queezyweezel: Didn't JC advocate free will?  I don't think the Government forcing you to buy health insurance follows that principle.


To be fair - no one made it to age 34 in JC's time.
 
2013-03-31 06:45:30 PM  

The_Forensicator: neongoats: But Obamers a muslin and GWB was the BESTEST PREZ EVAR EXCEPT RAGAN SO THE MUD PPL musT DIE of AIDS in teh ghetto streets.

Huh?

Obama is against single payer, despite your odd little meltdown there.  Well, he was for it once.  Then he was kinda so-so on the idea, then it was no.  A bit like SSM really.


I don't care what Obama's position on health care is. I care that GOP obstructionism is primarily what tanked any real health care reform and gave us this castrated half measure that is really just a a good long handjob for big insurance.
 
2013-03-31 06:45:54 PM  

Weaver95: I don't think most christians here in the US worship Jesus Christ.


I think I saw that guy on King of Kings before I left for the airport. I thought it was a revisionist's view or something based on what I know of Christians
 
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