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(Slate)   Surrender: Police Departments have two strategies when they're under pressure to cut crime. 1, They flood crime zones with Police that muscle criminals off the streets. 2, They simply downgrade crimes, or make it difficult for citizens to report them   (slate.com) divider line 12
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2013-03-31 06:47:40 PM  
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When I am working in DFW I see the signs warning shoppers to "lock their cars, hide their stuff," etc.

I bet if the signs read "OK to break thieves' legs at this shopping center" the crime might actually drop. I hate (HATE) the idea that non-criminals are resigned to deal with their community's trash not by actually *dealing* with it, but by cowering and hiding from it.
2013-03-31 06:24:42 PM  
2 votes:

Enemabag Jones: BarkingUnicorn,
I may as well illustrate this thread right now:

I fail to see what Indians cleaning an elephant have to do with this thread.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant#The_story
2013-03-31 06:18:52 PM  
2 votes:
I may as well illustrate this thread right now:

wordinfo.info
2013-03-31 11:02:33 PM  
1 votes:

Notabunny: Most people past their teens understand that government agencies have multiple revenue streams outside of the general fund, some they can control and some they can't. Many, such as grant funds, are dedicated to funding equipment purchases or the staffing of specific programs, and their use is entirely outside the agency's discretion. I know grownup reality interferes with your cop hate, so feel free to carry on. Just don't think most people old enough to vote agree with you.


In case they don't believe you there is a city near me which is cutting the total numbers of police due to the city being a broke ass shiathole whose cops are still working 4 hours of overtime on a regular basis at premium pay because they have a grant specifically for seat belt enforcement. 
 
Stupid? Assuredly. 
Something the police have any say in? Nope. 
 
Should the police turn that money down? I would say no, ymmv. 
 
Ime, if one has a problem with cops, 9/10 times one should be writing their legislator, not biatching about the police force. Of course, generally the folks who are the most vocal when whining about police are the same people who believe that our government doesn't ultimately answer to the people.  It absolutely does, but the problem is that all too often the people don't know or care.
2013-03-31 10:05:58 PM  
1 votes:

nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.


I don't know, how many?

Is it a lot?
A little?
An imaginary assumption of overlap between one poorly defined group and a second group that may or may not have anything to do with the first?
2013-03-31 09:39:36 PM  
1 votes:
I highly recommend watching the BBC documentary  "The Trap", by Adam Curtis.
The third episode is about this exact problem, how many laws and policies end up having the exact opposite result than the original intent. The police in Britain, schools, and mental institutions all have hit this problem, repeatedly. It explains why our current education system (and other systems) are is as farked up as it is, and why efforts to unfark it have made it much much worse.

It will never officially show here in the US, even though a lot of it is about the work of John Nash, the American mathematician - the same one that the movie "A Beautiful Mind" is about. "The Trap" goes into the importance and huge impact of what he was working on, which the Hollywood movie completely skips over.

If you like mind-fark movies, this should be on your must watch list.
2013-03-31 06:54:01 PM  
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Ahh, I see they are taking a page out of Buffalo, NY's playbook. The lazy cops in that shiathole won't show up when you call 911. No police report, no crime stats.

Meanwhile, they wonder why all the productive homeowners and residents move out and why all the trash remains.

/never looked back
//Fark western NY
///Fark all of NY
////slashies
2013-03-31 06:27:59 PM  
1 votes:
Or you could target the real causes of crime. But that would be too proactive, and Americans hate being proactive.
2013-03-31 06:16:03 PM  
1 votes:
In Oakland, no report will be filed for property crimes unless the victim is present when the police arrive.  No matter what time you call, the police will arrive at 4am.
2013-03-31 06:06:51 PM  
1 votes:

Notabunny: fta I don't have a big problem with this. Police departments have to make tough choices, and this is an example of a choice that's entirely defensible given the realities of the municipal budget.

If you want less crime, hire more crime fighters. If you don't want to hire crime fighters, be content with more crime.


Oh fark off.

Police departments react to budget cuts the same way the government agencies do, by hurting the people as much as possible.

They cut patrol officers, detectives, and any 'mandatory' cops (the ones needed in order for things to stay open; you sometimes see this with parks or events).

They DO NOT, for example, cut down on motorcycle cops sitting around, cops doing idiotic things like curfew enforcement, liquor enforcement, etc.  nor do they put plans on hold to spend millions on overpriced radio and computer systems.

This is like California claiming their budgets problems forced them to close the beaches, yet they could somehow afford to pay numerous park staff to man the booths at ALL of them and turn people away, and had enough park rangers to patrol the beaches and evict any 'trespassers' as well.

Any sheriff who does this needs to be recalled, and any police chief needs to be removed from office.
2013-03-31 05:58:05 PM  
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fta I don't have a big problem with this. Police departments have to make tough choices, and this is an example of a choice that's entirely defensible given the realities of the municipal budget.

If you want less crime, hire more crime fighters. If you don't want to hire crime fighters, be content with more crime.
2013-03-31 05:54:08 PM  
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it seems to be an epidemic in PD's everywhere

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to- re main-silent

check out the 2nd half of the podcast talking about NYPD and how they treated their own who tried to blow the whistle on this.
 
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