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(Slate)   Surrender: Police Departments have two strategies when they're under pressure to cut crime. 1, They flood crime zones with Police that muscle criminals off the streets. 2, They simply downgrade crimes, or make it difficult for citizens to report them   (slate.com) divider line 97
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2013-03-31 07:37:42 PM  

Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered


Ahhh, Colfax Avenue... my old stomping ground for many years. :-)  Used to live at 11th & Washington, barely outside of the war zone.  I would bar-hop afoot from Broadway to University on weekend nights.  Never had a scary moment.

Some entertaining ones, though.  "All comedy is tragedy that happens to someone else."
 
2013-03-31 07:43:14 PM  
Note to all gun control enthusiasts: These are the same police departments your going to rely on to keep you safe.

/when seconds count.... police are only minutes away
 
2013-03-31 07:46:55 PM  
I live in New Orleans. A couple of years back I tried to report my truck being stolen. The guy on the other end of the police non emergency number pretended he couldn't hear me; twice. That was the last time I will ever call the police for anything.
 
2013-03-31 07:50:39 PM  
There's always another way.

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2013-03-31 07:51:35 PM  
This headline is dangerous; folks might start to consider these police use the same tactics that Britain's NHS uses to game statistics.
 
2013-03-31 07:55:28 PM  

dfenstrate: This headline is dangerous; folks might start to consider these police use the same tactics that Britain's NHS uses to game statistics.


How does that work?  Turn cancer in to 'stomach aches'?
 
2013-03-31 07:55:39 PM  

jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.


This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.
 
2013-03-31 07:56:34 PM  

jso2897: "Law enforcement" is just a very expensive form of welfare for the scared middle class. Grow a pair and learn to protect your pathetic heap of worthless possessions at your own expense, whitey.


Fine with me.
 
2013-03-31 08:25:16 PM  

Notabunny: fta I don't have a big problem with this. Police departments have to make tough choices, and this is an example of a choice that's entirely defensible given the realities of the municipal budget.

If you want less crime, hire more crime fighters. If you don't want to hire crime fighters, be content with more crime.


Actually, every time you hire a crimefighter, you increase crime. That's because your newly-hired crimefighter has to justify his job by catching criminals. If you don't have enough criminals, you just pass more laws. You have too many criminals, you damp enforcement. It's not like this is new. The level of crime will always rise or fall to the level of enforcement, it's like fluid dynamics.
 
2013-03-31 08:36:19 PM  

lewismarktwo: dfenstrate: This headline is dangerous; folks might start to consider these police use the same tactics that Britain's NHS uses to game statistics.

How does that work?  Turn cancer in to 'stomach aches'?


Don't take people into the system even if they're sick and need care. Viola! They're not even statistics!
 
2013-03-31 08:39:26 PM  
The government monopoly strikes again.

What are you going to do... Fire them and get new ones? Oh you can't do that? Sorry.

And who are the ace number one advocates of not trying to stop crime yourself? The police.

Reminds me of the urban legend about the guy who called to report people were stealing things from his shed and the police didn't have anyone to send. So he called back and said "I shot them".

The police were there in no time flat.
 
2013-03-31 08:46:44 PM  

deforge: it seems to be an epidemic in PD's everywhere

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to- re main-silent

check out the 2nd half of the podcast talking about NYPD and how they treated their own who tried to blow the whistle on this.


The fact that we have known about this for years and done nothing but applaud is disgusting, and we should all be ashamed that we haven't formed an angry mob and strung these farkers up.
 
2013-03-31 09:27:15 PM  

sheep snorter: 911 operator who does not give a shiat... Oh and more important calls then a domestic and a knife threat involved

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8312600


If you follow one of the links that followed up in that story, the offending dispatcher and the acting head of the 911 service were sacked as a result, and a cop who used to run 911 was put back on that job.
 
2013-03-31 09:39:36 PM  
I highly recommend watching the BBC documentary  "The Trap", by Adam Curtis.
The third episode is about this exact problem, how many laws and policies end up having the exact opposite result than the original intent. The police in Britain, schools, and mental institutions all have hit this problem, repeatedly. It explains why our current education system (and other systems) are is as farked up as it is, and why efforts to unfark it have made it much much worse.

It will never officially show here in the US, even though a lot of it is about the work of John Nash, the American mathematician - the same one that the movie "A Beautiful Mind" is about. "The Trap" goes into the importance and huge impact of what he was working on, which the Hollywood movie completely skips over.

If you like mind-fark movies, this should be on your must watch list.
 
2013-03-31 09:43:21 PM  

jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.


You.guys aren't being fair. Some people live there thier whole lives and only get shot to death once....
 
2013-03-31 10:02:52 PM  

pedrop357: LDM90: Is this like how the crime rate will go down if drugs are legalized? You know, since what used to be a crime isn't a crime anymore.

Different.  Legalizing drugs not only removes nonsense crimes from the books, it would also eliminate a lot of actual victimization crimes that only occur because of the black market that can only thrive under prohibition.


This.
 
2013-03-31 10:05:58 PM  

nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.


I don't know, how many?

Is it a lot?
A little?
An imaginary assumption of overlap between one poorly defined group and a second group that may or may not have anything to do with the first?
 
2013-03-31 10:27:47 PM  

pedrop357: Notabunny: fta I don't have a big problem with this. Police departments have to make tough choices, and this is an example of a choice that's entirely defensible given the realities of the municipal budget.

If you want less crime, hire more crime fighters. If you don't want to hire crime fighters, be content with more crime.

Oh fark off.

Police departments react to budget cuts the same way the government agencies do, by hurting the people as much as possible.

They cut patrol officers, detectives, and any 'mandatory' cops (the ones needed in order for things to stay open; you sometimes see this with parks or events).

They DO NOT, for example, cut down on motorcycle cops sitting around, cops doing idiotic things like curfew enforcement, liquor enforcement, etc.  nor do they put plans on hold to spend millions on overpriced radio and computer systems.

This is like California claiming their budgets problems forced them to close the beaches, yet they could somehow afford to pay numerous park staff to man the booths at ALL of them and turn people away, and had enough park rangers to patrol the beaches and evict any 'trespassers' as well.

Any sheriff who does this needs to be recalled, and any police chief needs to be removed from office.


Most people past their teens understand that government agencies have multiple revenue streams outside of the general fund, some they can control and some they can't. Many, such as grant funds, are dedicated to funding equipment purchases or the staffing of specific programs, and their use is entirely outside the agency's discretion. I know grownup reality interferes with your cop hate, so feel free to carry on. Just don't think most people old enough to vote agree with you.
 
2013-03-31 11:02:33 PM  

Notabunny: Most people past their teens understand that government agencies have multiple revenue streams outside of the general fund, some they can control and some they can't. Many, such as grant funds, are dedicated to funding equipment purchases or the staffing of specific programs, and their use is entirely outside the agency's discretion. I know grownup reality interferes with your cop hate, so feel free to carry on. Just don't think most people old enough to vote agree with you.


In case they don't believe you there is a city near me which is cutting the total numbers of police due to the city being a broke ass shiathole whose cops are still working 4 hours of overtime on a regular basis at premium pay because they have a grant specifically for seat belt enforcement. 
 
Stupid? Assuredly. 
Something the police have any say in? Nope. 
 
Should the police turn that money down? I would say no, ymmv. 
 
Ime, if one has a problem with cops, 9/10 times one should be writing their legislator, not biatching about the police force. Of course, generally the folks who are the most vocal when whining about police are the same people who believe that our government doesn't ultimately answer to the people.  It absolutely does, but the problem is that all too often the people don't know or care.
 
2013-03-31 11:20:59 PM  
Yep. They're screwed.

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2013-03-31 11:28:04 PM  

Notabunny: fta I don't have a big problem with this. Police departments have to make tough choices, and this is an example of a choice that's entirely defensible given the realities of the municipal budget.

If you want less crime, hire more crime fighters. If you don't want to hire crime fighters, be content with more crime.


Spoken like a true LEO sock puppet.  How about the police we already hired doing their farking job and stop covering up crimes by their own?  Is that too farking much to ask?
 
2013-03-31 11:43:41 PM  

nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.


Lots of them.

nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.


I'm not recommending responsible home defense. I'm advocating general mutual slaughter. There are too many people - especially the sort of cowardly white queers who join the NRA. I'm advocating that we give all the poor, blacks and browns guns too, and see what happens when the overarmed soft, white punks have to shoot it out with real people, who have real courage.
 
2013-03-31 11:47:11 PM  

jso2897: see what happens when the overarmed soft, white punks have to shoot it out with real people, who have real courage.


In America? Sorry, all the people with courage are either dead or in jail already.
 
2013-03-31 11:55:35 PM  

jso2897: I'm advocating general mutual slaughter.


Great, let's start with you.
 
2013-03-31 11:56:49 PM  

untaken_name: jso2897: see what happens when the overarmed soft, white punks have to shoot it out with real people, who have real courage.

In America? Sorry, all the people with courage are either dead or in jail already.


I know - it would just be funny to see the fat, white, paunchy, balding, short-dicked membership of the NRA try to shoot it out with the Bloods, Crips, Eme, and other actual hard people. The NRA was smarter back when they admitted that the soft-assed honkey's only hope was to disarm people of color,.
 
2013-03-31 11:58:09 PM  

James F. Campbell: jso2897: I'm advocating general mutual slaughter.

Great, let's start with you.


OK. I'm waiting, punk.
 
2013-04-01 12:04:21 AM  

jso2897: James F. Campbell: jso2897: I'm advocating general mutual slaughter.

Great, let's start with you.

OK. I'm waiting, punk.

 
2013-04-01 12:09:36 AM  

James F. Campbell: jso2897: I'm advocating general mutual slaughter.

Great, let's start with you.


So, your mother was lying? You actually are a Communist? You really do own giraffes in theree different dimensions? You are a fish that walks, and a dog that talks? There is no point of reference between you and the ugliest whore in Babylon? You and Jimmy Kimmel are mutual owners of a timeshare in San Diego?
I suspected as much, you f**king liberal.
 
2013-04-01 12:11:10 AM  

jso2897: untaken_name: jso2897: see what happens when the overarmed soft, white punks have to shoot it out with real people, who have real courage.

In America? Sorry, all the people with courage are either dead or in jail already.

I know - it would just be funny to see the fat, white, paunchy, balding, short-dicked membership of the NRA try to shoot it out with the Bloods, Crips, Eme, and other actual hard people. The NRA was smarter back when they admitted that the soft-assed honkey's only hope was to disarm people of color,.


Well, ambushes and drive-bys are not the most courageous forms of firearm use, although they are the two most common forms associated with the organizations you mentioned. As I said, there's no courage left in this country. Want to bring it back? Bring back formal, legal dueling. 
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2013-04-01 12:11:46 AM  
This type of statistical BS is why I keep trying to tell sheeple that you have to look at how stats are derived before believing what they suggest - and I don't just mean the single line "description" (like, "crime reports drop by 50% in two years!"). 
 
Use your brain. Use critical thinking (which is why I try so hard to teach that to kids). Don't swallow what you're fed by any source, no matter how upstanding, without looking closely at it first.
 
2013-04-01 12:20:53 AM  

jso2897: So, your mother was lying? You actually are a Communist? You really do own giraffes in theree different dimensions? You are a fish that walks, and a dog that talks? There is no point of reference between you and the ugliest whore in Babylon? You and Jimmy Kimmel are mutual owners of a timeshare in San Diego?
I suspected as much, you f**king liberal.


You mad?
 
2013-04-01 12:21:59 AM  

duenor: This type of statistical BS is why I keep trying to tell sheeple that you have to look at how stats are derived before believing what they suggest - and I don't just mean the single line "description" (like, "crime reports drop by 50% in two years!"). 
 
Use your brain. Use critical thinking (which is why I try so hard to teach that to kids). Don't swallow what you're fed by any source, no matter how upstanding, without looking closely at it first.

 
I'm sorry, I can't believe you without corroboration.
 
2013-04-01 12:46:28 AM  

OgreMagi: How about the police we already hired doing their farking job and stop covering up crimes by their own?  Is that too farking much to ask?

 
THIS!
 
2013-04-01 01:46:26 AM  

Notabunny: fta I don't have a big problem with this. Police departments have to make tough choices, and this is an example of a choice that's entirely defensible given the realities of the municipal budget.

If you want less crime, hire more crime fighters. If you don't want to hire crime fighters, be content with more crime.


If you want crime, hire crime fighters. If you don't want to hire, be content.
 
2013-04-01 02:01:48 AM  
Milwaukee enjoys the "accidental" mis-classification of crimes as their method. "Oh, these crime codes are so confusing.  I'll just put this rape under petty theft."
 
2013-04-01 06:17:10 AM  
In the place I use to live at the cops are a joke.  My car got broken into and the cops refused to allow me to make a report claiming there was no proven damage to the car the items were not allowed to be entered into their system as stolen. Funny how the thief broke into my car by prying the medal on the door back and breaking the locking mechanism on the inside of the door, causing damage. Yet the cops said I couldn't prove that is how they got into my car and I couldn't prove the damage was caused by the thief, for all the cops knew my car could have been manufactured like that, useless. So in response I got a really sensitive car alarm and sure enough the thing went off because Mr. thief came back. I heard the alarm go off I went out armed with a medal baseball bat and started swinging. Didn't connect, the guy ran off and my car wasn't messed with after that. Moved out of that hell hole 2 years ago, I hear the cops have gotten worse now they don't respond unless you are beating up the suspect or have hurt the criminal, then they arrest you for protecting yourself and property.
 
2013-04-01 06:39:41 AM  

six-n-tombstone: armed with a medal baseball bat


Gold, silver, or bronze?
 
2013-04-01 07:09:12 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: Notabunny: fta I don't have a big problem with this. Police departments have to make tough choices, and this is an example of a choice that's entirely defensible given the realities of the municipal budget.

If you want less crime, hire more crime fighters. If you don't want to hire crime fighters, be content with more crime.

If you want crime, hire crime fighters. If you don't want to hire, be content.


The difference is between crimes, crimes reported, and crime fighting. 
Crime doesn't stop just because the officers don't respond.  So, likewise, I wouldn't say it increases because you have more cops responding. 
 
What they did was unplug their phone and misfile certain crimes to claim the difference as a  fraudulent victory. 
What we need is a metric to gauge the difference between crime fighting (which is helped by having more manpower)  and the crime rate (which is mostly caused by social factors and economics, and wont change because of the police).
 
Some places just generate alot of crime and that isn't the officers fault, but we still need to know if we are getting our monies worth. 
We need a means to judge the quality of the policing. 
 
/If we want to really reduce crime, we need to rethink the urban center model. 
/Something about having alot of people close together simply makes them cause trouble.
 
2013-04-01 08:27:40 AM  

Smackledorfer: nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.

I don't know, how many?

Is it a lot?
A little?
An imaginary assumption of overlap between one poorly defined group and a second group that may or may not have anything to do with the first?


If it is more than zero then that is pretty stupid. Judging by gun ownership rates and the safety numbers out there we can assume there are many folks buying guns for protection but who do not do enough to protect their family from more likely threats .

Not relevant to the gun debate I'd say but interesting look at human behavior. People are not rational about threats.
 
2013-04-01 08:30:42 AM  

jso2897: nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.

Lots of them.nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.

I'm not recommending responsible home defense. I'm advocating general mutual slaughter. There are too many people - especially the sort of cowardly white queers who join the NRA. I'm advocating that we give all the poor, blacks and browns guns too, and see what happens when the overarmed soft, white punks have to shoot it out with real people, who have real courage.


I thought the scary brown people already had guns?
 
2013-04-01 10:27:37 AM  

nocturnal001: Smackledorfer: nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.

I don't know, how many?

Is it a lot?
A little?
An imaginary assumption of overlap between one poorly defined group and a second group that may or may not have anything to do with the first?

If it is more than zero then that is pretty stupid. Judging by gun ownership rates and the safety numbers out there we can assume there are many folks buying guns for protection but who do not do enough to protect their family from more likely threats .

Not relevant to the gun debate I'd say but interesting look at human behavior. People are not rational about threats.


What if the overlap is hunters owning a gun for reasons other than safety?

Not having a smoke detector is stupid, but so was your shiatty attempt to use stats you don't have to say something about gun owners as a group.

The only interesting thing we would have here, barring some significant overlap, is that idiots can own guns too. I don't need badly made up fake group overlaps to know tgat.
 
2013-04-01 11:22:38 AM  

Smackledorfer: nocturnal001: Smackledorfer: nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.

I don't know, how many?

Is it a lot?
A little?
An imaginary assumption of overlap between one poorly defined group and a second group that may or may not have anything to do with the first?

If it is more than zero then that is pretty stupid. Judging by gun ownership rates and the safety numbers out there we can assume there are many folks buying guns for protection but who do not do enough to protect their family from more likely threats .

Not relevant to the gun debate I'd say but interesting look at human behavior. People are not rational about threats.

What if the overlap is hunters owning a gun for reasons other than safety?

Not having a smoke detector is stupid, but so was your shiatty attempt to use stats you don't have to say something about gun owners as a group.

The only interesting thing we would have here, barring some significant overlap, is that idiots can own guns too. I don't need badly made up fake group overlaps to know tgat.


Sigh.  This is why we can't have nice things, or at least nice discussions.  Everything always has to be reduced down into a us vs them fight.
 
I could mention that despite many people being terrified of having a gun in the house, having a pool is much riskier to your children.  But if I did that then some other angry person would yell about that.
 
2013-04-01 11:53:29 AM  
Dallas has been ignoring crime for a long time.  For awhile, they wouldn't respond to alarms unless an actual person called them, which essentially meant "If you can't afford private security, you're on you own".
 
A friend of mine who works security for an apartment complex found out that a supposedly "empty" apartment had 5 or 6 people living in it.  He watched and saw they were coming and going through the back door, and when none of them were there, he went in and looked around.  There had been a number of burglary's in the apartment complex, and he found evidence (drivers licenses and credit cards) showing that these thugs were the ones doing it.  He left everything where he found it.  He called the cops, who he works with a fair amount, and worked out a deal.  He would watch until he knew the trespassers were in the house, the cops would show up and bust him.  No warrant needed - the trespassers had no legal right to be there, and my friend, as representative of the apartment complex, was giving the police the OK to enter.
 
So they show up, they arrest 6 or so people, take them all to jail.   They find evidence of quite a few burglaries.  The next day, the DA's office has all the thugs released, no charges, just sent them on their way.  Pressure from the city is "bring down the crime rate", and these guys were tied to a lot of crime that hadn't been reported.  If they charged them, it would all go on the books, thus raising the crime rate.  So, to "keep the crime rate low", they turned the criminals free.
 
In another case, a friend of mine drives an 18 wheeler cross country.  While he's out of town, he parks his pickup truck at his daughters apartment.  She can keep an eye on it, and sometimes she needs the truck.  The truck got stolen while he was in Arizona, so she called him.  He told her "don't call me, I'm in Arizona, call the cops".  She called the cops.  The cops wouldn't take a report from her - they said it wasn't her truck.  So she called him, and he called the cops.  The cops wouldn't take a report from him because "You're in Arizona, you don't know if it's been stolen or not".
 
I've seen a ton of examples.  Heck I was in a bar when it got robbed by 4 guys with guns.  They took everyones purses and wallets.  (They didn't take money from the register, and I suspect they all argued about that later.  "You were supposed to do that - No YOU were supposed to!".)  One of the customers saw them with guns and masks and called from the parking lot.  Cops took over 30 minutes to show up.
 
I've seen many examples myself, and the Dallas Morning New has run a bunch of articles about ways the cops are managing to lower crime by refusing to take reports.
 
2013-04-01 12:59:28 PM  

nocturnal001: Smackledorfer: nocturnal001: Smackledorfer: nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.

I don't know, how many?

Is it a lot?
A little?
An imaginary assumption of overlap between one poorly defined group and a second group that may or may not have anything to do with the first?

If it is more than zero then that is pretty stupid. Judging by gun ownership rates and the safety numbers out there we can assume there are many folks buying guns for protection but who do not do enough to protect their family from more likely threats .

Not relevant to the gun debate I'd say but interesting look at human behavior. People are not rational about threats.

What if the overlap is hunters owning a gun for reasons other than safety?

Not having a smoke detector is stupid, but so was your shiatty attempt to use stats you don't have to say something about gun owners as a group.

The only interesting thing we would have here, barring some significant overlap, is that idiots can own guns too. I don't need badly made up fake group overlaps to know tgat.

Sigh.  This is why we can't have nice things, or at least nice discussions.  Everything always has to be reduced down into a us vs them fight.
 
I could mention that despite many people being terrified of having a gun in the house, having a pool is much riskier to your children.  But if I did that then some other angry person would yell about that.


What us vs them? This is me vs made up vague statistical overlaps that may not exist that show nothing if they did exist. This is me vs a farker making shiat up and trying to imply meaning from it.

Comments like yours detract from the conversation, while adding nothing.
 
2013-04-01 02:13:08 PM  
I guess my comments were misconstrued, slightly. When I said two murders outside my apartment, I meant RIGHT outside the apartment building. Like ... step out the door, look right, that is one. The other was on the other side of the building. Oh, and that doesn't include the stabbing on my floor, the drug dealers infesting the north side of the building, or the crack addicts who use the recesses in the building to OD and die. I also failed to mention the 3-5 drug dealers who hang out on the corner by the new McDs.This is one side of one block. And not in the "bad" part of town, either.
 
2013-04-01 05:38:52 PM  

jso2897: nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.

Lots of them.nocturnal001: jso2897: Trance354: Sounds like Denver. Wanna see crime? 11:30pm - 1:00am ANYWHERE on Colfax. 2 murders outside my building in the last year. No suspects. It doesn't help that they were both drug dealers. Or that the police station is two blocks away. need some company for the night? Colfax. Drugs? Colfax. Murder for hire? I'm sure you can find it on Colfax. One stop crime shopping.

/can't beat the rent
//just gotta keep from getting robbed/murdered

Only two murders outside your bldg last year, and you call that crime? Pussy.
If you were any kind of citizen, you'd go out and waste a few motherf**kers your own self.

This is what many are thinking when they buy a gun for home defense.

Heard a good point recently wondering how many gun owners are so worried about crime but lack smoke detectors.

I'm not recommending responsible home defense. I'm advocating general mutual slaughter. There are too many people - especially the sort of cowardly white queers who join the NRA. I'm advocating that we give all the poor, blacks and browns guns too, and see what happens when the overarmed soft, white punks have to shoot it out with real peopl ...


Funny, like a clown
 
2013-04-01 10:59:06 PM  

jso2897: I'm advocating that we give all the poor, blacks and browns guns too, and see what happens when the overarmed soft, white punks have to shoot it out with real people, who have real courage.


Based on the murder rate amongst minority groups in the inner city areas, the poor blacks and browns you are referring to already have guns.  As for courage, those "real people" you refer to, the gang bangers, prefer to shoot randomly at crowds of people as they drive by.  Yet someone defending their home against intruders is the coward?
 
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