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(Opposing Views)   Sorry you were shot in the legs defending our country, injured veteran. But mall policy is mall policy   (opposingviews.com) divider line 93
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2013-03-31 12:28:36 PM
Being disabled doesn't give you license to be an asshole.  Sorry you're held to the same standards that others are soldier boy.
 
2013-03-31 01:06:38 PM
Clearly Obama's to blame.
 
2013-03-31 01:19:01 PM
The war in Afghanistan had nothing to do with protecting our country. Just sayin'.
 
2013-03-31 03:10:01 PM
No, clearly Subby is to blame for writting a misleading headline to grab attention from those that OK greens but never read the actual article themselves.

And I've been on a Segway. I can't believe they are ADA approved.
Any amount of time on them kills your legs and hips and lower back, which are constantly adjusting to maintain balance, speed and direction.
Like anything else, you can build up to it. But I don't see it being used for someone who received nerve, muscle and spine injuries.
 
2013-03-31 03:19:27 PM
Because the rules don't apply to everyone , tardmitter
 
2013-03-31 03:25:37 PM
While I appreciate his service, anyone using a Segay should be kicked out of the mall.  Then run out of town.

THEN shot in the legs.
 
2013-03-31 03:28:10 PM
Wow, what a misleading piece of shiat article.
 
2013-03-31 03:30:35 PM
Good job, trollmitter.
 
2013-03-31 03:30:59 PM
Yeah. sounds like the guy was probably being an entitled jackass on a segway. ADA is the first thing some handicap folks pull out to get their way in stores, so it's nice to see the guy's attempt shot down. Somehow I imagine his handicap is thinking he's owed the world because he's handicapped.

//and the same handicapped people will complain about being treated differently with no sense of irony..,
 
2013-03-31 03:31:35 PM

Codenamechaz: Wow, what a misleading piece of shiat article headline.


Both here and the article.

Headline: Vet kicked out of mall for using Segway
Article: Vet kicked out of mall for SPEEDING on Segway (which are allowed when not driving like a douche).
 
2013-03-31 03:33:50 PM
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/get him on a roller coaster
 
2013-03-31 03:34:45 PM
First they came for the speeding segways,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a wounded vet with a sense of entitlement.
 
2013-03-31 03:38:29 PM
And he had his pet boa constrictor service animal with him as well.
 
2013-03-31 03:38:30 PM

DownDaRiver: No, clearly Subby is to blame for writting a misleading headline to grab attention from those that OK greens but never read the actual article themselves.

And I've been on a Segway. I can't believe they are ADA approved.
Any amount of time on them kills your legs and hips and lower back, which are constantly adjusting to maintain balance, speed and direction.
Like anything else, you can build up to it. But I don't see it being used for someone who received nerve, muscle and spine injuries.


Well, they kinda aren't.


 " Segways cannot be marketed in the US as medical devices: they have not been approved by the  as a medical device and  claims exclusive rights to the medical uses of the balancing technology found in the iBOT and Segway "

So Sgt. Butthurt over here can claim it all he wants, but that doesn't make it true. Riding around on a dirt bike or a quad could help a person move too, that doesn't mean its an ADA device.

As an architect, i can tell you too that all the ADA and code compliance guidelines do NOT take segways into account, for things like ramp slope and size, turning radii, head height clearance at doorways, or things like "does a firefighter have the ability to haul this thing down the stairs if needed", which has been studied for a wheelchair.
 
2013-03-31 03:41:13 PM
/Subby fail
 
2013-03-31 03:43:45 PM
New Rule:  All soldiers now exempt from private property rules.
 
2013-03-31 03:45:01 PM
It may have been for the callous use of an acronym.

Just saying.
 
2013-03-31 03:49:18 PM

DownDaRiver: No, clearly Subby is to blame for writting a misleading headline to grab attention from those that OK greens but never read the actual article themselves.

And I've been on a Segway. I can't believe they are ADA approved.
Any amount of time on them kills your legs and hips and lower back, which are constantly adjusting to maintain balance, speed and direction.
Like anything else, you can build up to it. But I don't see it being used for someone who received nerve, muscle and spine injuries.


And I've seen disabled people use them much more effectively than a wheelchair or scooter, so there's that.
 
2013-03-31 03:49:27 PM
Don;t you know that if you murder for corporate interests, you are better than everyone else?
 
2013-03-31 03:50:49 PM

domine: /Subby fail


Not if subby works in the ad revenue department of Opposing Views.
 
2013-03-31 03:51:08 PM
Not enough. The mall needs to remove all the toilet paper from the handicapped toilets, too.
 
2013-03-31 03:57:54 PM
I'm actually siding with the mall on this one.
 
2013-03-31 03:58:48 PM
Enjoy your ADA lawsuit Foothills Mall......
 
2013-03-31 03:58:52 PM
If he was speeding then he deserves to be kicked out.
 
2013-03-31 04:00:54 PM
Dunno which way to break on this one, as the Foothills Mall has such a spot-free history when it comes to ADA stuff..

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=4823011

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/sep/25/alleged-removal-hounds-loca l- mall/
 
2013-03-31 04:01:31 PM

JuniorII: Enjoy your ADA lawsuit Foothills Mall......


Yeah. His condition is like the movie "Speed," where if he goes under 15 mph, his legs will explode. I'm sure his doctor will testify to that.
 
2013-03-31 04:02:12 PM

Mikey1969: DownDaRiver: No, clearly Subby is to blame for writting a misleading headline to grab attention from those that OK greens but never read the actual article themselves.

And I've been on a Segway. I can't believe they are ADA approved.
Any amount of time on them kills your legs and hips and lower back, which are constantly adjusting to maintain balance, speed and direction.
Like anything else, you can build up to it. But I don't see it being used for someone who received nerve, muscle and spine injuries.

And I've seen disabled people use them much more effectively than a wheelchair or scooter, so there's that.


I'm not disabled, physically, I've sat and used wheelchairs/scooters and I've used a Segway. Id like to see someone with physical injuries/disabilities, like the ones mentioned use a Segway with greater ease and dexterity.
Then I would consider what you say.
 
2013-03-31 04:04:04 PM
According to the security guard, he told Trost he was speeding and then asked him to leave the mall.

So... there's no ban on segways, just a ban on using them in a way that potentially endangers other patrons?

Yeah, no, you're an asshole and tossing you out was entirely appropriate and legal.  The fact that you once did blue-collar work for the feds doesn't exempt you from anything.  This is the same as how you and your seeing eye dog can still get kicked out of places if you're letting the dog run around and lick people.

//He is right about it being about other people using ADA equipment, though.  Because those people are  using it responsibly.  farking jackass.
 
2013-03-31 04:06:57 PM

Mikey1969: DownDaRiver: No, clearly Subby is to blame for writting a misleading headline to grab attention from those that OK greens but never read the actual article themselves.

And I've been on a Segway. I can't believe they are ADA approved.
Any amount of time on them kills your legs and hips and lower back, which are constantly adjusting to maintain balance, speed and direction.
Like anything else, you can build up to it. But I don't see it being used for someone who received nerve, muscle and spine injuries.

And I've seen disabled people use them much more effectively than a wheelchair or scooter, so there's that.


As have I. I've seen a couple of BTK amputees on them; one at Wal-Mart and one zipping around my neighborhood.  I figure they have much better reason to use the things than the fat tourists downtown who simply refuse to walk.  They may not be official medical devices, but they are being used as such.

Of course, they can move pretty fast; faster than your average mall-walker, anyway.  So I'll side with "acting like a douche" here.
 
2013-03-31 04:11:43 PM
I have a V-8 large-block powered wheelchair that, in the food court, will do 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. The mall hates crippled folks.
 
2013-03-31 04:11:58 PM
Technically he wasn't actually defending our country. Truth sucks.
 
2013-03-31 04:12:16 PM
I think we have a candidate for Troll Headline of the Year.

There isn't such a thing?
There should be.
 
2013-03-31 04:12:30 PM

DownDaRiver: Mikey1969: DownDaRiver: No, clearly Subby is to blame for writting a misleading headline to grab attention from those that OK greens but never read the actual article themselves.

And I've been on a Segway. I can't believe they are ADA approved.
Any amount of time on them kills your legs and hips and lower back, which are constantly adjusting to maintain balance, speed and direction.
Like anything else, you can build up to it. But I don't see it being used for someone who received nerve, muscle and spine injuries.

And I've seen disabled people use them much more effectively than a wheelchair or scooter, so there's that.

I'm not disabled, physically, I've sat and used wheelchairs/scooters and I've used a Segway. Id like to see someone with physical injuries/disabilities, like the ones mentioned use a Segway with greater ease and dexterity.
Then I would consider what you say.


I've watched wheelchair and scooter people get in and out doors. They have to drive up, lean forward, muscle the door open, and then try and hold it open while they pull back, and around, trying to keep it from closing whole they are half way through.

I've seen disabled people on a Segway pull up to the door, reach their hand straight out and grab the know, then go in reverse, opening the door. They are hen able to go forward and get through the door as quickly and smoothly as if they were walking.

So much smoother that I didn't realize just how much of a problem the average scooter user has.

I get it though, it's some kind of cool trend to hear the word Segway and have panties instantly bunch up...
 
2013-03-31 04:14:01 PM
What's the posted speed limit in the mall for a Segway anyhow?  Or is this some sort of double-secret probation?
 
2013-03-31 04:14:39 PM
If your service dog physically threatens anyone, you may both be thrown out quite legally.  Same with assistive devices that threaten people.

Nothing about what was said or done between the time he was told to stop speeding and the time he was asked to leave, I see.
 
2013-03-31 04:16:13 PM
I've seen a lot of spinals, dude. This guys a fake.
 
2013-03-31 04:20:39 PM

Grave_Girl: Mikey1969: DownDaRiver: No, clearly Subby is to blame for writting a misleading headline to grab attention from those that OK greens but never read the actual article themselves.

And I've been on a Segway. I can't believe they are ADA approved.
Any amount of time on them kills your legs and hips and lower back, which are constantly adjusting to maintain balance, speed and direction.
Like anything else, you can build up to it. But I don't see it being used for someone who received nerve, muscle and spine injuries.

And I've seen disabled people use them much more effectively than a wheelchair or scooter, so there's that.

As have I. I've seen a couple of BTK amputees on them; one at Wal-Mart and one zipping around my neighborhood.  I figure they have much better reason to use the things than the fat tourists downtown who simply refuse to walk.  They may not be official medical devices, but they are being used as such.

Of course, they can move pretty fast; faster than your average mall-walker, anyway.  So I'll side with "acting like a douche" here.


I've seen cops use them effectively in a crowd. They get to sit up an extra 6" or so higher, they move fast, take up less space than both a bike and a horse, and are less likely to injure people in a crowd than either one also. Also, far more maneuverable.
 
2013-03-31 04:22:58 PM
He should've took an arrow to the knee, that would've got him more sympathy.
 
2013-03-31 04:24:57 PM
Foothills Mall is nicknamed Ghost Town by the locals.
 
2013-03-31 04:28:41 PM
What's the speed limiter on a Segway? Something like 4 MPH? Methinks mall security underqualified for the job.
 
2013-03-31 04:28:58 PM

Machman: Dunno which way to break on this one, as the Foothills Mall has such a spot-free history when it comes to ADA stuff..

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=4823011

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/sep/25/alleged-removal-hounds-loca l- mall/


The ADA is bullshiat.
 
2013-03-31 04:29:32 PM
A guy I work with is legally blind.  Lives about 3-4 miles from work and bought a segway since he can't get a drivers license.  He wrecked, the 2nd or 3rd time out on it.
 
2013-03-31 04:30:42 PM

DownDaRiver: like the ones mentioned use a Segway with greater ease and dexterity.


I've seen several people with cerebral palsy using Segways, also seen people with some other impairments use them. How do I know they had impairments? Either seen them walking, and none could walk particularly well, or they had some sort of orthotics on their legs.

Mikey1969: I get it though, it's some kind of cool trend to hear the word Segway and have panties instantly bunch up...


Now that people can't go around dumping on the queers, they've found another group. Indeed pretty much the last major group left where society doesn't much mind viewing them with contempt. For now at any rate.
 
2013-03-31 04:31:28 PM

Silly Jesus: The ADA is bullshiat.


Yes providing access for the disabled is truly bullshiat.
 
2013-03-31 04:34:34 PM

Mikey1969: DownDaRiver: Mikey1969: DownDaRiver: No, clearly Subby is to blame for writting a misleading headline to grab attention from those that OK greens but never read the actual article themselves.

And I've been on a Segway. I can't believe they are ADA approved.
Any amount of time on them kills your legs and hips and lower back, which are constantly adjusting to maintain balance, speed and direction.
Like anything else, you can build up to it. But I don't see it being used for someone who received nerve, muscle and spine injuries.

And I've seen disabled people use them much more effectively than a wheelchair or scooter, so there's that.

I'm not disabled, physically, I've sat and used wheelchairs/scooters and I've used a Segway. Id like to see someone with physical injuries/disabilities, like the ones mentioned use a Segway with greater ease and dexterity.
Then I would consider what you say.

I've watched wheelchair and scooter people get in and out doors. They have to drive up, lean forward, muscle the door open, and then try and hold it open while they pull back, and around, trying to keep it from closing whole they are half way through.

I've seen disabled people on a Segway pull up to the door, reach their hand straight out and grab the know, then go in reverse, opening the door. They are hen able to go forward and get through the door as quickly and smoothly as if they were walking.

So much smoother that I didn't realize just how much of a problem the average scooter user has.

I get it though, it's some kind of cool trend to hear the word Segway and have panties instantly bunch up...


You know those doors are not up to ADA regs?  ADA regs require a door that has a remote opening panel on both sides for buildings like malls.  So your point is that people in wheelchairs have trouble when the ADA is not followed.

Thanks for the update, skippy.
 
2013-03-31 04:39:26 PM
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                                               Would like a word with mall security
 
2013-03-31 04:41:06 PM

JuniorII: Enjoy your ADA lawsuit Foothills Mall......


Got to say, considering the history of this mall, I expect him to win. A 4mph upright vehicle is, IMO, an acceptable alternative to being on a scooter that goes 10-15 mph They are more maneuverable, easier to reach higher shelves, take less space, and equivalent to an average walker.

I bet they have chairs you "rent."
 
2013-03-31 04:41:42 PM
Thank you for serving our country.  Now slow down before you hurt someone who is not expecting a segway zipping around in the mall.
 
2013-03-31 04:43:58 PM

Ex-Texan: What's the speed limiter on a Segway? Something like 4 MPH?


More than three times that, about the low-end average cruising speed of a bicycle.
 
2013-03-31 04:46:34 PM

scandalrag: Mikey1969: DownDaRiver: Mikey1969: DownDaRiver: No, clearly Subby is to blame for writting a misleading headline to grab attention from those that OK greens but never read the actual article themselves.

And I've been on a Segway. I can't believe they are ADA approved.
Any amount of time on them kills your legs and hips and lower back, which are constantly adjusting to maintain balance, speed and direction.
Like anything else, you can build up to it. But I don't see it being used for someone who received nerve, muscle and spine injuries.

And I've seen disabled people use them much more effectively than a wheelchair or scooter, so there's that.

I'm not disabled, physically, I've sat and used wheelchairs/scooters and I've used a Segway. Id like to see someone with physical injuries/disabilities, like the ones mentioned use a Segway with greater ease and dexterity.
Then I would consider what you say.

I've watched wheelchair and scooter people get in and out doors. They have to drive up, lean forward, muscle the door open, and then try and hold it open while they pull back, and around, trying to keep it from closing whole they are half way through.

I've seen disabled people on a Segway pull up to the door, reach their hand straight out and grab the know, then go in reverse, opening the door. They are hen able to go forward and get through the door as quickly and smoothly as if they were walking.

So much smoother that I didn't realize just how much of a problem the average scooter user has.

I get it though, it's some kind of cool trend to hear the word Segway and have panties instantly bunch up...

You know those doors are not up to ADA regs?  ADA regs require a door that has a remote opening panel on both sides for buildings like malls.  So your point is that people in wheelchairs have trouble when the ADA is not followed.

Thanks for the update, skippy.


Entry doors maybe, but I've never seen a restroom with remote opening doors. And that includes the University I work at, you know, the kind of government agency buried under 50X the number of regs of any other place on the planet. Same with hospitals, a place with more disabled people per capita than anywhere else. No automatic doors on the restrooms, just the doors to enter the buildings.
 
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