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(Digital Spy)   It's the final showdown between Rick and the Governor. Twenty-seven characters are said to be killed. Who lives? Who dies? Find out at 9 ET on AMC. It's your Official Walking Dead Season 3 Finale Discussion Thread   (digitalspy.com) divider line 1008
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2013-03-31 10:42:04 AM  
Twenty seven ?

Try not to kill any characters on your way through the parking lot


I don't think I can even name 27 characters on this show including the ones that are already dead.
 
2013-03-31 10:42:09 AM  
Beth I bet. I hope not Carol. I actually like her. I want her to have an engaging plotline before being killed off.
 
2013-03-31 10:43:48 AM  

One Bad Apple: Twenty seven ?

Try not to kill any characters on your way through the parking lot


I don't think I can even name 27 characters on this show including the ones that are already dead.


They must be counting Woodbury residents who nobody knows, or cares, about.
 
2013-03-31 10:50:48 AM  

Peepeye: One Bad Apple: Twenty seven ?

Try not to kill any characters on your way through the parking lot


I don't think I can even name 27 characters on this show including the ones that are already dead.

They must be counting Woodbury residents who nobody knows, or cares, about.


This. It'll be one or two characters with names (Milton, The Governor, possibly the baby) and a bunch of anonymous extras.
 
2013-03-31 10:52:34 AM  
I've never seen the show. I'm guessing this isn't the episode I should start with.
 
2013-03-31 11:00:13 AM  
Twenty seven, in a row?
 
2013-03-31 11:11:12 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Peepeye: One Bad Apple: Twenty seven ?

Try not to kill any characters on your way through the parking lot


I don't think I can even name 27 characters on this show including the ones that are already dead.

They must be counting Woodbury residents who nobody knows, or cares, about.

This. It'll be one or two characters with names (Milton, The Governor, possibly the baby) and a bunch of anonymous extras.


I wish The Governor would die. But something tells me it won't be until next season.

I really hope the baby doesn't die. They could have some interesting stories with a toddler. But you may be right about her. :/
 
2013-03-31 11:22:43 AM  
Glenn, Beth, Herschel, and all of Woodbury except the Governor, who steals Rick's baby and runs off into the woods.  This will lead to a fourth season full of the action warrior types traversing the wastelands and cutting down zombies while the Governor, now a gnarled down, simplified, one-note version of his Id, struggles to amass an army of the dead-- which is exactly what all the loud obnoxious 'fans' who completely miss the point are demanding.
 
2013-03-31 11:35:08 AM  
Please let it be everyone with a relationship issue. I'm so sick of the freakin' soap opera stuff. Canned food is no longer being produced. If you don't stop whining and start farming, you're all dead!
 
2013-03-31 11:46:34 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Peepeye: One Bad Apple: Twenty seven ?

Try not to kill any characters on your way through the parking lot


I don't think I can even name 27 characters on this show including the ones that are already dead.

They must be counting Woodbury residents who nobody knows, or cares, about.

This. It'll be one or two characters with names (Milton, The Governor, possibly the baby) and a bunch of anonymous extras.


Those were my thoughts.

I suspect Daryl will be out for blood.
 
2013-03-31 11:50:37 AM  
Happy Walking Dead Easter!
 
2013-03-31 12:13:38 PM  

Mentat: Happy Walking Dead Easter!


Hehe thought about that this morning, Walking Dead finishing up the season on the day that the Christians celebrate the rising of their own zombie.
 
2013-03-31 12:31:41 PM  

Dinki: Mentat: Happy Walking Dead Easter!

Hehe thought about that this morning, Walking Dead finishing up the season on the day that the Christians celebrate the rising of their own zombie.


Jesus rose for your brains!
 
2013-03-31 12:40:45 PM  
Governor kidnaps the baby as a replacement for his daughter, end of season.  Book it.  Done.
 
2013-03-31 12:49:11 PM  

doglover: Please let it be everyone with a relationship issue. I'm so sick of the freakin' soap opera stuff. Canned food is no longer being produced. If you don't stop whining and start farming, you're all dead!


I take it you were one of the few who weren't pissing and moaning about "enough with the farm already, I want some zombie-killing" during season 2.
 
2013-03-31 12:55:33 PM  

thamike: doglover: Please let it be everyone with a relationship issue. I'm so sick of the freakin' soap opera stuff. Canned food is no longer being produced. If you don't stop whining and start farming, you're all dead!

I take it you were one of the few who weren't pissing and moaning about "enough with the farm already, I want some zombie-killing" during season 2.


I was leading that charge.

Living on a farm in tents and moping about sex vs love is not the same as farming.
 
2013-03-31 12:59:24 PM  

doglover: I was leading that charge.

Living on a farm in tents and moping about sex vs love is not the same as farming.


So if they had included all the farming that was going on, your outrage would have been dampened?
 
2013-03-31 01:02:49 PM  

thamike: doglover: I was leading that charge.

Living on a farm in tents and moping about sex vs love is not the same as farming.

So if they had included all the farming that was going on, your outrage would have been dampened?


Only if they replaced ALL the soap opera shiat with real story line advancement. Look what they did in Season 3: killed all the whiners.

I appreciate the irony of that statement, but I'm more like Daryl in real life. I just get the shiat that needs doing done and ignore the drama until it needs sorting out. Season Three has been epic because all the non-zombie related stuff has been cut waaaaay back. It's every day killin' zombies, fixin' walls, and sortin' shiat out.
 
2013-03-31 01:21:04 PM  

doglover: Only if they replaced ALL the soap opera shiat with real story line advancement. Look what they did in Season 3: killed all the whiners.

I appreciate the irony of that statement, but I'm more like Daryl in real life. I just get the shiat that needs doing done and ignore the drama until it needs sorting out. Season Three has been epic because all the non-zombie related stuff has been cut waaaaay back. It's every day killin' zombies, fixin' walls, and sortin' shiat out.


If you prefer all storyline to a lack of character development, I'm not sure which show to point you to. Sex and the City, maybe.  There's a reason that the splatterpunk zombie apocalypse genre is relegated to under two hours, historically.

The zombies are nothing more than treacherous landscape.  The entire show is about character development.  There is no storyline that isn't ephemeral in this context.  All they're doing is dealing with the inevitable in their own ways, and when one of them has chosen the wrong way, they get waxed. All of those characters represent us.  By that I mean each one of those characters is a metaphorical aspect of all of us as individuals.

That's why the ones who become nothing but resistance to the flow (i.e. whiners, navel-gazers, people with unfeasible images of themselves, etc.) are dead.  The fact that an elderly amputee (wisdom, acceptance) is still alive but a mother (vapid self absorption, lack of curiosity) who died brutally and relatively unceremoniously should be a good hint.
 
2013-03-31 01:30:05 PM  
Why do you think Daryl is everybody's favorite?  Sure, on the surface it's because he does badass sh*t and Norman Reedus can do no wrong.  But in the context of the show, it's because he represents adaptability.   Adaptability is why humans are on top of the food chain at the moment, so his evolution reflects our own.  We then identify with him more than the dangerous codependence that has made a wreck of two people who once represented resourcefulness and usefulness--Glenn and his girlfriend--and now only represent each other.
 
2013-03-31 01:33:28 PM  

thamike: doglover: Only if they replaced ALL the soap opera shiat with real story line advancement. Look what they did in Season 3: killed all the whiners.

I appreciate the irony of that statement, but I'm more like Daryl in real life. I just get the shiat that needs doing done and ignore the drama until it needs sorting out. Season Three has been epic because all the non-zombie related stuff has been cut waaaaay back. It's every day killin' zombies, fixin' walls, and sortin' shiat out.

If you prefer all storyline to a lack of character development, I'm not sure which show to point you to. Sex and the City, maybe.  There's a reason that the splatterpunk zombie apocalypse genre is relegated to under two hours, historically.

The zombies are nothing more than treacherous landscape.  The entire show is about character development.  There is no storyline that isn't ephemeral in this context.  All they're doing is dealing with the inevitable in their own ways, and when one of them has chosen the wrong way, they get waxed. All of those characters represent us.  By that I mean each one of those characters is a metaphorical aspect of all of us as individuals.

That's why the ones who become nothing but resistance to the flow (i.e. whiners, navel-gazers, people with unfeasible images of themselves, etc.) are dead.  The fact that an elderly amputee (wisdom, acceptance) is still alive but a mother (vapid self absorption, lack of curiosity) who died brutally and relatively unceremoniously should be a good hint.


Exactly. The entire zombie genre (but particularly this show) is a giant metaphor for impending death/doom. The zombies themselves could be a giant, creeping black wall (although where would the fun be in that?). The ways that each person/group reacts to it and adapts is what makes this show what it is.
 
2013-03-31 01:37:28 PM  
I'd watch a show with Carl, Carol, and Daryl, Maggie, and Glenn. . . oh and Morgan.

I'm over the rest.

I suspect that we'll see a Lori return (likely in zombie form) and that Morgan will come back. I think he'll die in a blaze of glory and that bums me out.
 
2013-03-31 01:40:21 PM  
Twenty-seven characters are said to be killed... Who dies?

I'd be okay with it being Andrea twenty-seven times.
 
2013-03-31 01:43:11 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Twenty-seven characters are said to be killed... Who dies?

I'd be okay with it being Andrea twenty-seven times.


I'd like to see the new guy and the new girl catch a break among the survivors. Can't remember their names - but the couple that Rick ran off from the prison. They ended up in Woodbury.
 
2013-03-31 01:43:33 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Exactly. The entire zombie genre (but particularly this show) is a giant metaphor for impending death/doom. The zombies themselves could be a giant, creeping black wall (although where would the fun be in that?). The ways that each person/group reacts to it and adapts is what makes this show what it is.


The characters with the most common and mundane flaws are the ones everybody gets uncomfortable with. Rick deals with grief in a fairly common way --losing his sh*t--and suddenly people are tired of him, until he shuts it out and moves on.  Lori acts selfishly and passive aggressively--she needs to go.   And yet Merle, who represents unwavering blind hatred, intolerance, mercilessness, and vulgarity--the basis of the reptilian part of our consciousness--give him another chance.  He might change, right?  It's pretty self-explanatory.

I understand the viewers who just want to see zombie chopping and get all uncomfortable with the "soap opera" aspect.  They would be the first to get eaten in this show.  They would be extras.
 
2013-03-31 01:44:59 PM  

Bontesla: I'd like to see the new guy and the new girl catch a break among the survivors. Can't remember their names - but the couple that Rick ran off from the prison. They ended up in Woodbury.


3-Dawg and Not-Michonne.
 
2013-03-31 01:46:01 PM  

Mentat: Bontesla: I'd like to see the new guy and the new girl catch a break among the survivors. Can't remember their names - but the couple that Rick ran off from the prison. They ended up in Woodbury.

3-Dawg and Not-Michonne.


*lol* Yeah.
 
2013-03-31 01:48:05 PM  

Bontesla: I'd like to see the new guy and the new girl catch a break among the survivors. Can't remember their names - but the couple that Rick ran off from the prison. They ended up in Woodbury.


Seems like it would be kind of a waste to have them gone so quickly and such, but... ah, well.
 
2013-03-31 01:49:27 PM  
I think the smaller list is who survives. If 27 are really out - then who is left?
 
2013-03-31 01:49:58 PM  

Mentat: Bontesla: I'd like to see the new guy and the new girl catch a break among the survivors. Can't remember their names - but the couple that Rick ran off from the prison. They ended up in Woodbury.

3-Dawg and Not-Michonne.


Cutty Wise is no 3-Dawg.

i.lv3.hbo.com
 
2013-03-31 01:53:09 PM  

thamike: Mentat: Bontesla: I'd like to see the new guy and the new girl catch a break among the survivors. Can't remember their names - but the couple that Rick ran off from the prison. They ended up in Woodbury.

3-Dawg and Not-Michonne.

Cutty Wise is no 3-Dawg.

[i.lv3.hbo.com image 422x237]


Erik Todd Dellums voices 3-Dawg, right?
 
2013-03-31 01:53:39 PM  

Bontesla: I think the smaller list is who survives. If 27 are really out - then who is left?


Adaptability, levelheadedness, wisdom, resourcefulness (a few of them), pure evil, and pure innocence.  Pussy Control might make it out again.
 
2013-03-31 01:56:23 PM  

Mentat: 3-Dawg


Would LOL again...
 
2013-03-31 01:59:52 PM  

thamike: Bontesla: I think the smaller list is who survives. If 27 are really out - then who is left?

Adaptability, levelheadedness, wisdom, resourcefulness (a few of them), pure evil, and pure innocence.  Pussy Control might make it out again.


So that gives us Daryl, Carol, Carl, Glenn, The Gov., and Beth?
 
2013-03-31 02:01:19 PM  
I would be pleased if Rick is killed and we get Morgan.
I'd trade Rick for Morgan any day.

I'd also like to see a resolution to that Lori storyline.
 
2013-03-31 02:07:24 PM  
Rick's death seems like the most surefire way to shake up the show, because he seems to have plot armor by virtue of being the main character.

It's like how you can't really be that concerned for either Will Graham or Hannibal Lecter in the new Hannibal TV series.  You know that neither character can die, since they both have to survive for Red Dragon/Manhunter.

Those two characters have plot armor, and so does Rick at this point, it would seem.

Like Bontesla said, I'd be happy with Rick leaving the show if it would mean that Morgan comes back in some greater capacity.
 
2013-03-31 02:10:24 PM  

thamike: Incorrigible Astronaut: Exactly. The entire zombie genre (but particularly this show) is a giant metaphor for impending death/doom. The zombies themselves could be a giant, creeping black wall (although where would the fun be in that?). The ways that each person/group reacts to it and adapts is what makes this show what it is.

The characters with the most common and mundane flaws are the ones everybody gets uncomfortable with. Rick deals with grief in a fairly common way --losing his sh*t--and suddenly people are tired of him, until he shuts it out and moves on.  Lori acts selfishly and passive aggressively--she needs to go.   And yet Merle, who represents unwavering blind hatred, intolerance, mercilessness, and vulgarity--the basis of the reptilian part of our consciousness--give him another chance.  He might change, right?  It's pretty self-explanatory.

I understand the viewers who just want to see zombie chopping and get all uncomfortable with the "soap opera" aspect.  They would be the first to get eaten in this show.  They would be extras.


I genuinely liked the Lori character. At least what she brought to the show regarding conflict within the group. As a person though I didn't care for her.

I always disliked Merle and wanted him to be zombiefied, but felt a little bad when it happened since he was making an effort at redemption.
 
2013-03-31 02:12:03 PM  

Krymson Tyde: I always disliked Merle and wanted him to be zombiefied, but felt a little bad when it happened since he was making an effort at redemption.


Still, if he had to go, he went to the sounds of Motorhead.  That had to count for something.
 
2013-03-31 02:13:53 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Krymson Tyde: I always disliked Merle and wanted him to be zombiefied, but felt a little bad when it happened since he was making an effort at redemption.

Still, if he had to go, he went to the sounds of Motorhead.  That had to count for something.


farking-A. That's the moment the tide began to turn for me.
 
2013-03-31 02:15:16 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Rick's death seems like the most surefire way to shake up the show, because he seems to have plot armor by virtue of being the main character.

It's like how you can't really be that concerned for either Will Graham or Hannibal Lecter in the new Hannibal TV series.  You know that neither character can die, since they both have to survive for Red Dragon/Manhunter.

Those two characters have plot armor, and so does Rick at this point, it would seem.

Like Bontesla said, I'd be happy with Rick leaving the show if it would mean that Morgan comes back in some greater capacity.


Rick lost some of that armor when he abdicated the throne.
 
2013-03-31 02:18:40 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Rick lost some of that armor when he abdicated the throne.


It would be a nifty direction to take the show, especially since the show *does* deviate from established comic book plot points.
 
2013-03-31 02:30:46 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Krymson Tyde: Rick lost some of that armor when he abdicated the throne.

It would be a nifty direction to take the show, especially since the show *does* deviate from established comic book plot points.


It also seems like the writers were grooming Glenn for stepping up and replacing Rick as the leader this season. He's had plenty of opportunities to shine this season and he's shown growth from last season. They've tied him to the group via Maggie which ultimately changes the risks Glenn would feel comfortable taking. I think the writers have been trying to find a leadership role for Glenn since season two. It felt like they were grooming him to take the role of the group's conscience when the first old white guy became a midnight Zombie snack but he ultimately didn't have the life experience that Hershel had.

I don't foresee Rick being killed - but I do see his role being minimized. He's basically living with PTSD and this large battle with the sheer number of causalities may be the breaking point for Rick. He's become increasingly reluctant to make decisions because of the risk each decision carries. I think Rick will be traumatized, perhaps with an injury that forces him to give up leadership.
 
2013-03-31 02:35:57 PM  

Bontesla: It also seems like the writers were grooming Glenn for stepping up and replacing Rick as the leader this season. He's had plenty of opportunities to shine this season and he's shown growth from last season. They've tied him to the group via Maggie which ultimately changes the risks Glenn would feel comfortable taking. I think the writers have been trying to find a leadership role for Glenn since season two. It felt like they were grooming him to take the role of the group's conscience when the first old white guy became a midnight Zombie snack but he ultimately didn't have the life experience that Hershel had.

I don't foresee Rick being killed - but I do see his role being minimized. He's basically living with PTSD and this large battle with the sheer number of causalities may be the breaking point for Rick. He's become increasingly reluctant to make decisions because of the risk each decision carries. I think Rick will be traumatized, perhaps with an injury that forces him to give up leadership.


That's right, I forgot about Glenn's part in this whole equation.  Good call.

I'd be more than alright with a show that has Glenn stepping up as the top dog (with Daryl as his chief-of-staff, so to speak) and Rick ending up on the backburner and dealing with his trauma.
 
2013-03-31 02:38:28 PM  

Bontesla: thamike: Bontesla: I think the smaller list is who survives. If 27 are really out - then who is left?

Adaptability, levelheadedness, wisdom, resourcefulness (a few of them), pure evil, and pure innocence.  Pussy Control might make it out again.

So that gives us Daryl, Carol, Carl, Glenn, The Gov., and Beth?


Daryl, Carol, Rick, Hershel, Carl (just to give Rick a break), Maggie-or Glenn (probably Maggie), Michonne,Tyreese (maybe Sasha),  the Gov., and the baby.  Andrea might make it out again.

If I'm going along with my own theory, Hershel may be in danger, which means the 4th season will mostly be a splatterfest.  I guess it all depends on what the major shifts in production executives was about--"fan" loyalty or creative solidarity.
 
2013-03-31 02:38:42 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Bontesla: It also seems like the writers were grooming Glenn for stepping up and replacing Rick as the leader this season. He's had plenty of opportunities to shine this season and he's shown growth from last season. They've tied him to the group via Maggie which ultimately changes the risks Glenn would feel comfortable taking. I think the writers have been trying to find a leadership role for Glenn since season two. It felt like they were grooming him to take the role of the group's conscience when the first old white guy became a midnight Zombie snack but he ultimately didn't have the life experience that Hershel had.

I don't foresee Rick being killed - but I do see his role being minimized. He's basically living with PTSD and this large battle with the sheer number of causalities may be the breaking point for Rick. He's become increasingly reluctant to make decisions because of the risk each decision carries. I think Rick will be traumatized, perhaps with an injury that forces him to give up leadership.

That's right, I forgot about Glenn's part in this whole equation.  Good call.

I'd be more than alright with a show that has Glenn stepping up as the top dog (with Daryl as his chief-of-staff, so to speak) and Rick ending up on the backburner and dealing with his trauma.


Glenn and Daryl would make a terrific team because they both have such a humble attitude.

Wait . . .  Next season's subplot: the developing ego that results from becoming a leader. Okay. Nevermind. This is a terrible idea. I like Glenn and Daryl. I don't want to hate them.
 
2013-03-31 02:43:05 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I'd be more than alright with a show that has Glenn stepping up as the top dog (with Daryl as his chief-of-staff, so to speak) and Rick ending up on the backburner and dealing with his trauma.


For that to happen, Maggie needs to die.  And if you've noticed, Glenn doesn't even seem to be capable of dealing with distressed Maggie, let alone dead Maggie.    If the third season showed anything about Glenn, it is that he isn't a leader.
 
2013-03-31 02:45:53 PM  

thamike: Bontesla: thamike: Bontesla: I think the smaller list is who survives. If 27 are really out - then who is left?

Adaptability, levelheadedness, wisdom, resourcefulness (a few of them), pure evil, and pure innocence.  Pussy Control might make it out again.

So that gives us Daryl, Carol, Carl, Glenn, The Gov., and Beth?

Daryl, Carol, Rick, Hershel, Carl (just to give Rick a break), Maggie-or Glenn (probably Maggie), Michonne,Tyreese (maybe Sasha),  the Gov., and the baby.  Andrea might make it out again.

If I'm going along with my own theory, Hershel may be in danger, which means the 4th season will mostly be a splatterfest.  I guess it all depends on what the major shifts in production executives was about--"fan" loyalty or creative solidarity.


I think both the baby and the Gov will be gone.
I predict both Maggie and Glenn will survive. Maggie gives Glenn perspective. I would love to see Tyreese and Sasha survive because they have the potential to be really terrific characters.

I'm incredibly split on Michonne. I like her. I'd like to see her make it - but now would be the time to kill her off. She doesn't particularly "belong" yet and since Rick was willing to sell her to a lunatic - I wouldn't place my bets on Michonne joining their group under Rick's leadership any time too soon. Michonne wanted to head for the Southern coast. If she survives - we might see a divided faction.

How badly will Woodbury be destroyed? Andrea believes in Woodbury and I foresee her wanting to try to rebuild it if she survives. Will Rick and the group move into Woodbury and rebuild with Andrea?
 
2013-03-31 02:47:01 PM  

thamike: For that to happen, Maggie needs to die. And if you've noticed, Glenn doesn't even seem to be capable of dealing with distressed Maggie, let alone dead Maggie. If the third season showed anything about Glenn, it is that he isn't a leader.


Yeah, Glenn's decision making is suspect.

Glenn:  "Let's attack Woodbury now while they aren't expecting it."
Others:  "They won't be expecting an attack one day after we attacked them twice and killed a bunch of their people?"
Glenn:  storms off in a huff
 
2013-03-31 02:48:34 PM  

Bontesla: Glenn and Daryl would make a terrific team because they both have such a humble attitude.


Humility is represented better by Tyreese.  If Rick takes a backseat (he probably won't, not for long anyway) Daryl (adaptability) and Tyreese (strategic hesitation) would make a good pair.  Glenn lost his humility when he was humiliated.  Now he's just vindictive.
 
2013-03-31 02:49:05 PM  

thamike: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I'd be more than alright with a show that has Glenn stepping up as the top dog (with Daryl as his chief-of-staff, so to speak) and Rick ending up on the backburner and dealing with his trauma.

For that to happen, Maggie needs to die.  And if you've noticed, Glenn doesn't even seem to be capable of dealing with distressed Maggie, let alone dead Maggie.    If the third season showed anything about Glenn, it is that he isn't a leader.


Why would Maggie need to die?

Distressed Glenn has shown to be a more capable distressed Rick. Further - if the leadership is divided among a council of three (perhaps Glenn, Daryl, and x) - it gives the group a better ability to survive. I think that this season has taught us that a singular leader is too much stress. Rick admitted it and the group realized it. Glenn has the ability to share leadership.This season has shown this.
 
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