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2013-03-31 10:56:32 AM  
I can remember 3-4 occasions in the last half-dozen years when we lost electricity -- but still had our phone service. Cell service was out in at least a couple of those instances.
 
2013-03-31 11:20:17 AM  
Hope not. It's the only kind of phone I have, and I need a landline number anyway for my DSL service.
 
2013-03-31 11:36:14 AM  

albert71292: Hope not. It's the only kind of phone I have, and I need a landline number anyway for my DSL service.


THIS ^
 
2013-03-31 11:54:35 AM  

gopher321: albert71292: Hope not. It's the only kind of phone I have, and I need a landline number anyway for my DSL service.

THIS ^


Since the people providing your landline number are also the people providing your DSL (I assume), and these are the same folks who want to do away with landline service... I am guessing they will see to it that you will still have broadband without a landline number.

At least that makes sense, having read the article.
 
2013-03-31 12:01:45 PM  
Experts say Internet-based telephone will mean faster and higher-quality service for consumers.

Faster? But I'm already talking as quickly as I can!
 
2013-03-31 12:03:26 PM  
Candygram4Mongo:Since the people providing your landline number are also the people providing your DSL (I assume), and these are the same folks who want to do away with landline service... I am guessing they will see to it that you will still have broadband without a landline number.

At least that makes sense, having read the article.


Actually, I'm using a small, local DSL provider. I was using AT&T DSL until they announced monthly caps, but switched to the local provider because they don't have caps. Between my son and I, with all the online video watching I do, and the gaming he does, we'd eat through AT&T's 150GB/month cap in a couple of weeks.

Local DSL provider says they aren't permitted to do a "dry loop".
 
2013-03-31 12:08:27 PM  

albert71292: Candygram4Mongo:Since the people providing your landline number are also the people providing your DSL (I assume), and these are the same folks who want to do away with landline service... I am guessing they will see to it that you will still have broadband without a landline number.

At least that makes sense, having read the article.

Actually, I'm using a small, local DSL provider. I was using AT&T DSL until they announced monthly caps, but switched to the local provider because they don't have caps. Between my son and I, with all the online video watching I do, and the gaming he does, we'd eat through AT&T's 150GB/month cap in a couple of weeks.

Local DSL provider says they aren't permitted to do a "dry loop".


So far, it's just a topic of discussion, according to the article. In any case, changes would be at least a few years down the road, if any changes are approved at all.

As for your circumstances, you don't have a problem. Your local DSL provider, on the other hand, may have a HUGE problem...
 
2013-03-31 12:16:21 PM  
We cannot get neural internet and Borg technology fast enough.
 
2013-03-31 12:20:23 PM  
Skynet is pleased.
 
2013-03-31 12:20:29 PM  
They're talking about phasing out PSTN.  That's not the same as getting rid of landlines.
 
2013-03-31 12:20:33 PM  
Oh sure, I love the msised calls, dropped calls, crappy connections and "no service" of mobile telephony.
 
2013-03-31 12:20:35 PM  
Its still not as reliable as my smoke signals
 
2013-03-31 12:22:44 PM  

albert71292: Hope not. It's the only kind of phone I have, and I need a landline number anyway for my DSL service.


Actually you don't.  DSL hasn't required a voice line bundled with it for at least a decade.  If you are paying for both you are being screwed.
 
2013-03-31 12:23:57 PM  

albert71292: Candygram4Mongo:Since the people providing your landline number are also the people providing your DSL (I assume), and these are the same folks who want to do away with landline service... I am guessing they will see to it that you will still have broadband without a landline number.

At least that makes sense, having read the article.

Actually, I'm using a small, local DSL provider. I was using AT&T DSL until they announced monthly caps, but switched to the local provider because they don't have caps. Between my son and I, with all the online video watching I do, and the gaming he does, we'd eat through AT&T's 150GB/month cap in a couple of weeks.

Local DSL provider says they aren't permitted to do a "dry loop".


The same with me - screw Bell Canada's Internet service - I'm paying $35/month for unlimited usage with my local ISP
 
2013-03-31 12:24:42 PM  
In before whining from the poors and olds
 
2013-03-31 12:26:01 PM  

Candygram4Mongo: gopher321: albert71292: Hope not. It's the only kind of phone I have, and I need a landline number anyway for my DSL service.

THIS ^

Since the people providing your landline number are also the people providing your DSL (I assume), and these are the same folks who want to do away with landline service... I am guessing they will see to it that you will still have broadband without a landline number.

At least that makes sense, having read the article.


Yeah, I'll believe the telecoms putting major investments into infrastructural upgrades when I see it.

North Carolina is dead last in having new or upgraded lines and services since 2011...right about when Time-Warner and Comcast paid the state legislature to effectively outlaw municipal fiber networks.

/Wilson is not a great town, but damn the internet is AMAZING
//$35/month for 10/10 with all-local tech support
 
2013-03-31 12:26:05 PM  

albert71292: Hope not. It's the only kind of phone I have, and I need a landline number anyway for my DSL service.


That is not correct. If the company claims you need a telephone number, they're scamming you.

All DSL needs is the actual telephone line, ie. the plug in the wall.
 
2013-03-31 12:26:55 PM  
So I just noticed the sidebar ad.

"Enjoy a limited number of articles over the next 30 days".

Wow desmoinesregister.com  will limit how many articles I read IF I register. How do I sign up for this awesome service!.
 
2013-03-31 12:27:55 PM  
But LTE is so much cheaper than a landline.
For the company.
So landlines are a drain on the economy and must be removed.
And there are plenty of politicians to bribe to get that done.

/Bribery is legal as long as it is not direct cash and is done via an all expenses paid vacation or weekend retreat.

//Or the bribe is delayed until the end of the politicians term where he gets a cushy multi-million dollar job where he doesn't actually have to do anything but have his name added to the derp news release to make it appear he is actually working.
 
2013-03-31 12:28:01 PM  

Suede head: Oh sure, I love the msised calls, dropped calls, crappy connections and "no service" of mobile telephony.


The sound quality sucks ass to the point that I hate being on the phone for more than 30 seconds.

And nothing's worse than being on a conference call with some jackwipe that has his phone on speaker in his lap.  "We ... ork...  blurt... should never...  dink... shart... bargle... take the initiative...  cralp...  burk... tomorrow."
 
2013-03-31 12:28:06 PM  
I assure you, this regulatory push is designed just to save the telcos money and won't see advanced services come out to replace landlines in rural areas. If anything all you'll see in rural areas is fixed wireless off of LTE. Which under current regs mean capped usage, no guarantee of service quality, and high overage fees.

In my opinion, if America wants to advance forward with a wired advanced service, the way to do so is to change regulations on line-sharing to encourage fiber buildouts. Reform tax structure to encourage the change-out and upgrade of old plants instead of like for like. Stop looking for competition as a panacea when the goal is low costs and advanced services. Telecoms are a natural monopoly so start treating them as such.

If they put service standards on telecoms, across the board to include cable and wireless, along with service requirements, you'll see the results you want.

Candygram4Mongo: Since the people providing your landline number are also the people providing your DSL (I assume), and these are the same folks who want to do away with landline service... I am guessing they will see to it that you will still have broadband without a landline number.

At least that makes sense, having read the article.


Unfortunately no. The copper is the expensive thing to maintain.. not the number running across it.
 
2013-03-31 12:28:29 PM  
I had trouble with my land line last fall.  Instead of fixing it, Verizon came in and put a large box on the side of my house, and then put a UPS backup in my basement that is plugged into one of my outlets.

Gee, thanks, Verizon.
 
2013-03-31 12:29:13 PM  

MindStalker: So I just noticed the sidebar ad.

"Enjoy a limited number of articles over the next 30 days".

Wow desmoinesregister.com  will limit how many articles I read IF I register. How do I sign up for this awesome service!.


Click the ad and find out
 
2013-03-31 12:33:24 PM  
When we get European rates for internet and cell phone service, then I'll consider it. Until then, sod off and leave my landline alone.

Amercuns been hoodwinked. $100 gawddamn a month for cell service... blow it out your ass.
 
2013-03-31 12:33:47 PM  
I remember during the 2003 blackout, there were huge lines of people waiting to use the few pay phones left around NYC.
 
2013-03-31 12:35:00 PM  
 have not you people herd of MVNO's
I use Ting myself

People got pharked by Att for land lines and now they will get pharked by att for mobile. Just use a  mobile virtual network operator (MVNO)
and quit your crying.
Also this is a First world problem
 
2013-03-31 12:36:00 PM  
Yeah, because paying more for a service that does not work in an emergency and that requires me to keep my handset charged every day is what I want to do.
 
2013-03-31 12:36:04 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: MindStalker: So I just noticed the sidebar ad.

"Enjoy a limited number of articles over the next 30 days".

Wow desmoinesregister.com  will limit how many articles I read IF I register. How do I sign up for this awesome service!.

Click the ad and find out


I was saying the wording is stupid.
 
2013-03-31 12:36:26 PM  

Abox: They're talking about phasing out PSTN.  That's not the same as getting rid of landlines.


Essentially it is. The providers will not install packet switches where they have circuit based switches. Once those PSTN switches get pulled you'll get rolled over to a packet based service.

You may still have a phone physically connected to a wire in your house but the backhaul will not be what we consider landline.

sheep snorter: But LTE is so much cheaper than a landline.
For the company.


The profit difference is astounding.
 
2013-03-31 12:37:00 PM  
The incumbent major telcos want out of the business of maintaining copper pairs in rural places.  That's Plain Old Dialtone and DSL alike.

The problem is that, AT&T and Verizon anyway, they are also wireless/LTE providers.

They'd really like for you to go to wireless already.  Cheaper for them.  And if there's overage charges for over 5GB of data usage, all the better!

The problem is that the existing copper network was largely subsidized by the universal service fee that everyone has paid for decades (and still pays).

The logical trade?  In return for dropping the universal service commitment to rural copper, they have to offer their copper plant out for bid.  Even if that bid is a penny.  Lots of communities have been on locally-run co-op telephone services since the 1930s, and many of those co-ops have not only survived, but managed to keep up with the times.  I have a sister-in-law in a town of under 300 in rural Nebraska.   Her local co-op pulled fiber to the house in those tiny towns, and she can get services up to gigabit.  Better than 99% of Americans.

AT&T doesn't want to let that happen, either, because then those people wouldn't become captive mobile-only customers.
 
2013-03-31 12:40:14 PM  

Feel_the_velvet: I had trouble with my land line last fall.  Instead of fixing it, Verizon came in and put a large box on the side of my house, and then put a UPS backup in my basement that is plugged into one of my outlets.

Gee, thanks, Verizon.


The nice thing about POTS lines was that having it work was not your problem. It was on them to keep dialtone alive. Now they're shifting most of that responsibility to the end user by scattering small batteries and equipment everywhere, so don't forget to maintain it for them to keep your service up.
 
2013-03-31 12:41:31 PM  

Nick Nostril: When we get European rates for internet and cell phone service, then I'll consider it


www.goseewrite.com
 
2013-03-31 12:44:19 PM  

Mrbogey: Abox: They're talking about phasing out PSTN.  That's not the same as getting rid of landlines.

Essentially it is. The providers will not install packet switches where they have circuit based switches. Once those PSTN switches get pulled you'll get rolled over to a packet based service.

You may still have a phone physically connected to a wire in your house but the backhaul will not be what we consider landline.


For folks who read an article like this that are worried about losing their landline, "a phone physically connected to a wire in your house" is a landline.
 
2013-03-31 12:44:39 PM  

mr lawson: Nick Nostril: When we get European rates for internet and cell phone service, then I'll consider it

[www.goseewrite.com image 616x450]


Texas is about the size of France - but with way more wasteland!
 
2013-03-31 12:47:43 PM  
As a small business, I prefer the land lines as they are way more dependable.
 
2013-03-31 12:49:38 PM  

Speaker2Animals: I can remember 3-4 occasions in the last half-dozen years when we lost electricity -- but still had our phone service. Cell service was out in at least a couple of those instances.


This.

I hate that AT&T keeps ratcheting up the price of the PSTN without explaining why. Even so, it works when nothing else electric does.
 
2013-03-31 12:50:07 PM  

mr lawson: Nick Nostril: When we get European rates for internet and cell phone service, then I'll consider it

[www.goseewrite.com image 616x450]


Bullshiat argument, most of the country lives in cities as or more densely populated than europe.
 
2013-03-31 12:51:14 PM  

spawn73: albert71292: Hope not. It's the only kind of phone I have, and I need a landline number anyway for my DSL service.

That is not correct. If the company claims you need a telephone number, they're scamming you.

All DSL needs is the actual telephone line, ie. the plug in the wall.


Which needs a #, my dry loop has one even if it isn't callable
 
2013-03-31 12:51:48 PM  
UNC_Samurai:/Wilson is not a great town, but damn the internet is AMAZING
//$35/month for 10/10 with all-local tech support


I'm paying $54.99/month for 6Mbps/512kbps. :-(
 
2013-03-31 12:53:16 PM  

farkmedown: Speaker2Animals: I can remember 3-4 occasions in the last half-dozen years when we lost electricity -- but still had our phone service. Cell service was out in at least a couple of those instances.

This.

I hate that AT&T keeps ratcheting up the price of the PSTN without explaining why. Even so, it works when nothing else electric does.


POTS, not PSTN.
 
2013-03-31 12:53:55 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: In before whining from the poors and olds


I'm poor-ish, and I dropped my landline years ago. Makes more sense for me to use a cheap Tracfone. ( about $7 a month for my needs..)

/ If I talked on the phone all day, then a landline would still be an option...
// at least I don't cheap out on the important stuff, like High-Speed Internet....
 
2013-03-31 12:54:30 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: In before whining from the poors and olds


Don't forget us Rurals. My sis lives in the shadow of Mount Shasta and has to go stand in the road to get a cell phone signal. Not convenient for someone who has a 2-year-old, and just had a stroke.
 
2013-03-31 12:55:06 PM  

Joe Peanut: I remember during the 2003 blackout, there were huge lines of people waiting to use the few pay phones left around NYC.


I live in a hurricane-prone area. I am keeping my landline, thank you!
 
2013-03-31 12:58:32 PM  

gingerjet: albert71292: Hope not. It's the only kind of phone I have, and I need a landline number anyway for my DSL service.

Actually you don't.  DSL hasn't required a voice line bundled with it for at least a decade.  If you are paying for both you are being screwed.


I don't have a cell phone. Explain again how I'm being screwed? Especially when the POTS piece is easily 1/2 to 1/10 of a cell phone bill?
 
2013-03-31 01:01:26 PM  
I am amazed that so many people are willing to ditch clear, reliable connections in exchange for wonky, drop-prone calls with poorer sound quality.  Almost as much as people are willing to drop cable/FiOS/Satellite TV in exchange for wonky, buffer-prone viewing with poorer picture quality.

I still prefer to use land lines and more traditional TV delivery.
 
2013-03-31 01:01:27 PM  

noitsnot: Suede head: Oh sure, I love the msised calls, dropped calls, crappy connections and "no service" of mobile telephony.

The sound quality sucks ass to the point that I hate being on the phone for more than 30 seconds.

And nothing's worse than being on a conference call with some jackwipe that has his phone on speaker in his lap.  "We ... ork...  blurt... should never...  dink... shart... bargle... take the initiative...  cralp...  burk... tomorrow."


I'm on the phone a lot for work, and everything you said is true.  Add to it that everyone talks LOUDER on cell phones, and has their volume jacked up on their phone.  I've had people in the next room ask me to shush because I had someone on a cell phone on the other end, and that person couldn't hear what I said.  I've heard an entire conversation (both sides) - the person was in another room with the door closed, but had the volume turned way up on their phone.
 
2013-03-31 01:01:45 PM  
I got sick of getting soaked for a land line about 2 years ago, and switched to Ooma. Cute little VoIP device I purchased at Best Buy. Cost me a one time fee of  $150 (including the cost of migrating my number), and now the monthly cost is $3.95. I can call anywhere in Canada for that price, for $9.95 I can beef it up to call North America wide (which also includes a sh*t load of add-ons). Ooma's out of California. Great company. I'd recommend them to anyone.
 JFYI, I used to pay $27.95 to Bell Canada for a home phone. Never called long distance. The last time I did, they soaked me with a charge of over $10 because I didn't have a "plan" with their company. F*ck Bell. I'd never go back to them again.

gadgetwhore.org
 
2013-03-31 01:02:35 PM  

Nick Nostril: When we get European rates for internet and cell phone service, then I'll consider it. Until then, sod off and leave my landline alone.

Amercuns been hoodwinked. $100 gawddamn a month for cell service... blow it out your ass.


The cellular providers claim that much of the rate structure is because you're paying off a subsidized phone over the length of the contract.  They're full of bullshiat.  If that were true, rates would be cheaper for a "bring your own unlocked phone" plan and/or once you've paid off your subsidized phone and you're off-contract.  T-Mobile is the only major carrier that does that.  (I'm currently on TMO with a Google Nexus non-contract phone.)

It doesn't help that the U.S. has four different major mobile providers whose networks and hardware are noncompatible, unlike all of Europe which is on one standard by government fiat.  Makes it impossible to do the European model where you buy an expensive phone and then bring it to your vendor of choice and put it on an inexpensive plan.
 
2013-03-31 01:09:16 PM  

albert71292: UNC_Samurai:/Wilson is not a great town, but damn the internet is AMAZING
//$35/month for 10/10 with all-local tech support

I'm paying $54.99/month for 6Mbps/512kbps. :-(


holy shiat. :( That's terrible.
 
2013-03-31 01:09:40 PM  
I'd actually prefer to have a landline, but seeing as I only make 6-8 calls a month it's cheaper for me to have a pay as you go cell phone. If they dropped the price or offered pay as you go, I'd switch back in a heartbeat.

To me the worst part of a damn cell phone is making calls that last more than 10 minutes, holding something the size of a credit card up to your ear while trying to keep that that pinpoint sized speaker aligned with your ear hole makes my damn hand cramp up pretty quick.
 
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