fluffy2097: fundamentalist atheist
Satanic_Hamster: mpirooz: Holy shiat."Proponents, who include the Family Foundation and the Catholic Conference of Kentucky, say those fears are unfounded. They argue that the bill restores a legal standard in place before recent rulings by the U.S. and Kentucky supreme courts."So you are literally trying to turn back time to spite the recent rulings of the highest courts in the land. I don't think that's how our branches of government are supposed to work. On the bright side I moved out of KY last fall and thank goodness for that.Plus, I don't think they actually know how law's work. If the Supreme Court rules that a particular law isn't legal, you can't just pass a law saying "now it is."
MrHappyRotter: In my religion, I have the right to have sex with any man who sexually arouses me. Also, does this apply to the laws of physics?
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: And all it will take is one lawyer to say:" It's true that Leviticus 18:22 states "No man is to have sexual relations with another man; it is an abomination unto the Lord", among many other practices. The penalty for which is being unable to claim being an Israelite.Furthermore, Jesus recognizes in Matthew 22:23-33, Luke 20:27-40, and Mark 12:18-27 that marriage is purely a terrestrial affair. Most importantly, Luke 6:30-31 has Jesus commanding, "Give to everyone who asks you for something, and when someone takes what is yours do not ask for it back. Do for others just what you want them to do for you."Because the marriage applicants are not seeking to be recognized as Israelites and because they are asking to be recognized as married before the law and because my client the Court Clerk is Christian who is, themself, married, I invoke the Religious Freedom bill to declare the state Constitutional and statutory definitions of marriage as infringing my client's religious beliefs. Furthermore I submit that any opponent of same sex marriage is not Christian as per the teachings of Christ. "
Ed Willy: Does that mean Fark is now a religion? Because I need my Catruday's off to drink good beer and hate on our mortal enemies Duke.Also, Drew is Pope[www.themoralofthestoryis.com image 298x386]
Great Porn Dragon: Satanic_Hamster: Let me guess; this is mainly geared towards outlawing abortion and birth control.Actually, it's pretty much geared towards doing away with the few Fairness ordinances in the state--you know, the laws that say that you can't be fired because your boss thinks you might have The Gay. (The local dominionists have been pretty much unsuccessful in overturning them locally, so they've worked with the state legislature--which is far more dominionist-friendly and Southern Baptist-controlled--to basically give dominionists a free ticket to disregard those laws.)Of course, as others have pointed out, they've also effectively legalised a lot of things they probably did not intend--things like polygamy, moonshine (in dry counties), marijuana (not just the Rastas, quite a number of other groups do use marijuana as a sacrament including at least one Christian church), snake-handling churches (illegal since 1946 but only sporadically enforced as it is), peyote (there aren't any federally recognised tribes in the US but this opens up for ANYONE to use peyote sacramentally), psilocybes (magic mushrooms are used by shamanic practitioners in European paleopagan and "reconstructionist" neopagan faiths), setting up one's own brothel and drug den as the First Temple of Slaanesh...Of course, I also expect this will go away soon enough the very first time that someone is fired for being a member of the Wrong Religion and decides to file suit in federal court and/or the first time that a group using cannabis or peyote as a sacrament gets busted by the state cops. (Unfortunately, even our Democrats tend to be Republicans in spirit here, and the General Assembly tends to be prone to this sort of derp and the following courthouse smackdown. About a decade ago, they tried to basically regulate non-Christian denominations out of existence by requiring licensing for pastors, and it was ironically a member of a small Primitive Baptist church that got THAT law overturned in ...
angrymacface: MrHappyRotter: In my religion, I have the right to have sex with any man who sexually arouses me. Also, does this apply to the laws of physics?I like your religion, where can I join?
Silverstaff: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: And all it will take is one lawyer to say:" It's true that Leviticus 18:22 states "No man is to have sexual relations with another man; it is an abomination unto the Lord", among many other practices. The penalty for which is being unable to claim being an Israelite.Furthermore, Jesus recognizes in Matthew 22:23-33, Luke 20:27-40, and Mark 12:18-27 that marriage is purely a terrestrial affair. Most importantly, Luke 6:30-31 has Jesus commanding, "Give to everyone who asks you for something, and when someone takes what is yours do not ask for it back. Do for others just what you want them to do for you."Because the marriage applicants are not seeking to be recognized as Israelites and because they are asking to be recognized as married before the law and because my client the Court Clerk is Christian who is, themself, married, I invoke the Religious Freedom bill to declare the state Constitutional and statutory definitions of marriage as infringing my client's religious beliefs. Furthermore I submit that any opponent of same sex marriage is not Christian as per the teachings of Christ. "Won't work in Kentucky.Kentucky passed one of those damnable "Defense of Marriage" amendments to its state constitution by popular referendum in 2004.A state law, like this one, can't overturn a state constitutional amendment.It's going to take another referendum, or something at the Federal level (like say a SCOTUS ruling) to change that in the Commonwealth.
fluffy2097: Summercat: Further, I think you missed part of the subtext of that very story which was that the two human characters in the setting could not prove to the robot anything they were saying. You also miss the entire subtext of all the Robot stories, where the robots were strange sympathetic beings that humanity created but did not understand, and did not trust - for no damn good reason.The subtext is that what they said did not matter.If their inability to convince the robot was a problem, then horrible things would have happened when the storm hit.But the robot had faith which, being trapped on a space station his entire existence, is all he really needs. He just needs to make sure the power goes where it is supposed to. Who's will it is that it be done is unimportant.That screams an agnostic viewpoint to me.
shotglasss: I wonder how many of the people in this thread expressing massive butthurt over this don't live in Kentucky.
Girion47: shotglasss: I wonder how many of the people in this thread expressing massive butthurt over this don't live in Kentucky.I live in Kentucky and am absolutely horrified that this state has allowed filth like this to exist as well as elect Mcconnell to the Senate.Oh well, I keep voting against bullshiat like this, and try to convince others to do so as well.
GAT_00: Lionel Mandrake: cman:Apparently a core Christian value is oppressing others.
TheBigJerk: Lawnchair: that bosnian sniper: The funny thing is, I've already heard of a minister or two, and more than a few gay couples, in Louisville who are going to cite this very law in the course of applying for marriage licenses and marrying.Yep, that. There are 9 Unitarian churches in Kentucky (okay, only 4 large enough to have full-time ministers), and I'm pretty sure all of them have at least one same-sex couple to marry as soon as this law is applicable.Your move, Kentucky.Better than the marijuana option, since it won't get you arrested. Yet I am sure they will still wriggle out of it. I just wonder how.Ah, I know. "Disobeying the law is not the same as forcing the law to recognize you." Followed by some kid getting suspended for not attending a mandatory school prayer because they have the self-awareness and memory of a goldfish.
thornhill: Princess Ryans Knickers: thornhill: And now we have a new error of Jim CrowEra...iPhone autocorrect. Ugh. At least it didn't come out saying something about sex.
Great Porn Dragon: "Snake-handler Oneness Pentecostal",
Satanic_Hamster: Let me guess; this is mainly geared towards outlawing abortion and birth control.
mjjt: Fairly simple solution - billboards everywhere saying"Republicans vote to allow Sharia Law"
fluffy2097: Asimov made his living writing books about sentient robots with positronic brains, bent into human slavery by the 3 laws of robotics.
way south: Arthur Jumbles: FTFA:The bill says that government shall not infringe on any person's sincerely held religious beliefs unless it can show with "clear and convincing evidence" some compelling governmental interest for doing so.Yikes, I don't actually have a problem with this! The government shouldn't be making ANY law that restricts a person's liberty unless it had some "compelling governmental interest" in doing so. If they just removed the word "religious" from the bill I'd be supporting this 100% with a smile on my face.This./On Its face it sounds like the kind of law that shouldn't be needed tho./Implying that, without it, the government could infringe on people's rights with no valid reason?
balloot: Kentucky sounds like a solid place to go if you want to practice Sharia Law.
HeartBurnKid: I'm a SubGenuis. My religion requires me to do whatever the fark I want, whenever the fark I want to do it. I think I could have some fun in Kentucky./maybe I should move there...//nah, then I'd have to live in Kentucky.
The My Little Pony Killer: I would have told him to take his butt back to 4chan.
Monkeyhouse Zendo: cman: I am really unsure how to resolve this. I dislike bigotry and I dislike it when people must commit actions against their deeply held beliefs.Let's make this easy, who is being forced to commit actions against their deeply held beliefs? As far as I can tell, no church is being forced to perform same-sex marriages or interracial marriages for that matter.The problem is that the religious have confused not being able to enforce their religious beliefs as law with being forced to do things that run counter to their religion.
qorkfiend: While I don't think anyone should be surprised that this cunning plan was not thought all the way through, it's amusing to note that the ultimate result of this law is to grant government a massive, broad new power: the power to determine what is and is not a "sincerely held religious belief".
sprgrss: The United States Supreme Court already answered this question many, many years ago. Too bad the law will fail on the first judicial review.
Gosling: Well, THIS isn't going to end like that Nebraska law that ended in people from halfway across the country dumping their teenagers and driving off.
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: IOW, Kentucky has now given anyone convicted of any crime grounds for appeal, no matter how clear-cut the case. I love how the legislation is only one paragraph long. No need to get specific here! Why bother creating exceptions for traffic laws or child abuse or health codes-- that's what the courts are for! We've got more ALEC junkets to attend!
cman: These kinds of things always conflict me.I am a person who believes heavily in the freedom of religion. Although I do not believe in god I do believe that our nation was founded on core beliefs that included religious freedom.At the same time, I dislike bigotry.This has its awkward moments when I have to negotiate those "race mixing is devils tool" with allowing those people to not be discriminated. Then you have those who believe in the sanctity of marriage betwixt a man and a woman. That is unacceptable because marriage is a legal issue, not a moral one. Some of these people really do feel that if they are forced to wed two gay people (or back in the 50s a white and a black) then god will smite them. To them, two homosexuals marrying is on the same par as other crime.I am really unsure how to resolve this. I dislike bigotry and I dislike it when people must commit actions against their deeply held beliefs.Anyone else deal with this kind of internal conflict?
404 page not found: The My Little Pony Killer: I would have told him to take his butt back to 4chan.
404 page not found: I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces.
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