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(Extreme Tech)   1979 Terry Nation's "Blake's 7" introduces auto repair circuits that could self-heal. 2013, scientists invent auto repair circuits   (extremetech.com) divider line 41
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2013-03-31 11:33:10 AM
Great.
 
2013-03-31 11:40:42 AM
Roj Blake: Orac, why won't you give us the background to that prediction?
Orac: Because that would invalidate the prediction.
Roj Blake: And if we knew the future in detail we could change it, and so it wouldn't be the future.
Orac: Correct. That is the paradox of prediction.
 
2013-03-31 11:46:07 AM
Self-healing circuits? Meh. How about some Servalan porn tapes instead?
 
2013-03-31 11:47:25 AM

pup.socket: Self-healing circuits? Meh. How about some Servalan porn tapes instead?


I'd rather Jenna.
 
2013-03-31 11:52:02 AM

imfallen_angel: pup.socket: Self-healing circuits? Meh. How about some Servalan porn tapes instead?

I'd rather Jenna.


I'm more of a Servalan fan but why not both?

Has the new series been completely canned or can someone find enough money to let it happen?  I'm ok with watching what is next from the Kerr Avon point of view.
 
2013-03-31 11:55:54 AM
Auto Repair = fixing cars
Auto-Repair = self-healing properties
 
2013-03-31 11:59:08 AM

Superjew: Auto Repair = fixing cars
Auto-Repair = self-healing properties


Maybe they're circuits that heal cars?
 
2013-03-31 11:59:52 AM
Dang... And here I thought I was the only american who had ever seen that.

Also, Orlac is a dick. Repeatedly, a dick.
 
2013-03-31 12:01:49 PM
Also also, umm... ECC memory?

The e
 
2013-03-31 12:03:12 PM
Drat-nabbit...

Wanted to point out that the entire concept of the internet was to have self-healing networks.
 
2013-03-31 12:05:07 PM
This is a reapeat for one.

Secondly. This does not "Heal" anything.

What this IC does is bring a lot of extra parts along for the ride. If one important part dies, part of the chip brings one of the extra backup parts online to take its place.

If you damage the part that controls this process, the entire chip will be incapable of doing any "healing" at all

This could be really handy in spacecraft, where you need the reliability.

Consumer machines this would just increase expense and die size for IC's for no good reason.
 
2013-03-31 12:08:31 PM
The writing... It just gets worse...

FTA:

A standard computer is a complex group of individual parts working together as a whole - RAM, some kind of data storage, a processor, and so on. When one of those integral parts breaks, the computer is rendered useless and the part must be replaced, but what if the computer could begin routing the broken part's tasks through the bits that are still functional?

I have a 90's vintage rack-mount server that has 4 processors, 12 hard drives, 3 power supplies, etcetera. You can pull any one of them while it's in service, it won't care. Not to denegrate what this team has done, the writer is a nitwit.
 
2013-03-31 12:09:36 PM
IBM has been doing this for some time. Support processors monitor the main processors, and when something fails, the computer fences off the failed item, calls home and order another part. Sometimes the CE doesn't even know the thing failed until hotshot shows up with the replacement part.
 
2013-03-31 12:10:57 PM

maxheck: Dang... And here I thought I was the only american who had ever seen that.

Also, Orlac is a dick. Repeatedly, a dick.


That's "Orac" (the computer with a personality) which inherited it's creator's personality.

The creator was a dick but a smart one that created Orac to be a computerized version of himself.
 
2013-03-31 12:19:02 PM
imfallen_angel:

maxheck: Dang... And here I thought I was the only american who had ever seen that.

Also, Orlac is a dick. Repeatedly, a dick.

That's "Orac" (the computer with a personality) which inherited it's creator's personality.

The creator was a dick but a smart one that created Orac to be a computerized version of himself.



I didn't say his creator wasn't a dick too! :P Damn near got them all killed, IIRC.

/ but yeah, I didn't get the spelling right.
 
2013-03-31 12:27:52 PM

DON.MAC: but why not both?


Confirmed.
 
2013-03-31 01:00:43 PM
in 1986 IBM invented auto-repair circuits and nobody was willing to pay for them.
 
2013-03-31 01:09:18 PM
Great, but what do you do when it asks you to repair its AE-35 antenna unit?


imfallen_angel: That's "Orac" (the computer with a personality) which inherited it's creator's personality.


Does it put extra apostrophes everywhere?
 
2013-03-31 01:11:25 PM

fluffy2097: This is a reapeat for one.

Secondly. This does not "Heal" anything.

What this IC does is bring a lot of extra parts along for the ride. If one important part dies, part of the chip brings one of the extra backup parts online to take its place.

If you damage the part that controls this process, the entire chip will be incapable of doing any "healing" at all

This could be really handy in spacecraft, where you need the reliability.

Consumer machines this would just increase expense and die size for IC's for no good reason.


As far as I know, all memory (DRAM, flash, etc.) works this way.  It might just be that they laser out the bad parts before they assemble it, but it shouldn't be that hard to fix on the fly (and flash pretty much has to be fixable on the fly).  I'm also pretty sure that plenty of the larger (L2/L3) caches in CPUs can detect and repair errors (they take up most of the chip).

If you are building memory without errors, you aren't getting enough memory out of your silicon.
 
2013-03-31 01:11:39 PM

Intelligent_Donkey: Superjew: Auto Repair = fixing cars
Auto-Repair = self-healing properties

Maybe they're circuits that heal cars?


I hope so. My '92 Volvo needs self-healing properties for its electrical systems.
 
2013-03-31 01:16:27 PM
So, we can get some of the most stupid obscure TV/movie DVD's around, but not Blake's 7?  Ok, so it had terrible special effects, but writing and story lines were pretty good.   What gives?
 
2013-03-31 01:21:41 PM

Green Scorpio: IBM has been doing this for some time. Support processors monitor the main processors, and when something fails, the computer fences off the failed item, calls home and order another part. Sometimes the CE doesn't even know the thing failed until hotshot shows up with the replacement part.


I always thought that was some marketing BS.

/I was told there would be flying cars
 
2013-03-31 01:36:19 PM
Self heal or 'switch to backup', I guess those are interchangeable terms now, 'tech' writer who's missed the boat by decades?
 
2013-03-31 01:57:15 PM

DON.MAC: imfallen_angel: pup.socket: Self-healing circuits? Meh. How about some Servalan porn tapes instead?

I'd rather Jenna.

I'm more of a Servalan fan but why not both?



Zen: That information is not available.
 
2013-03-31 02:06:45 PM
Didn't Gene Amdahl have large silicon that would self test and re-route?
Back in the 80's?
 
2013-03-31 02:08:37 PM

imfallen_angel: pup.socket: Self-healing circuits? Meh. How about some Servalan porn tapes instead?

I'd rather Jenna.


Indeed, and you might get to live afterwards.
 
2013-03-31 02:35:44 PM
yet_another_wumpus:

As far as I know, all memory (DRAM, flash, etc.) works this way.  It might just be that they laser out the bad parts before they assemble it, but it shouldn't be that hard to fix on the fly (and flash pretty much has to be fixable on the fly).  I'm also pretty sure that plenty of the larger (L2/L3) caches in CPUs can detect and repair errors (they take up most of the chip).

If you are building memory without errors, you aren't getting enough memory out of your silicon.


Bad parts of an IC are disconnected before assembly, and are generally sold as cheaper product lines.

For example, if an i5 chip has a bad core, it might end up being an i3 instead, with the broken core and one extra core disconnected during construction.
 
2013-03-31 03:54:33 PM

fugeeface: So, we can get some of the most stupid obscure TV/movie DVD's around, but not Blake's 7?  Ok, so it had terrible special effects, but writing and story lines were pretty good.   What gives?


You're a sci-fi fan in a thread about self-repairing microchips and you don't know about torrents? What gives?
 
2013-03-31 03:56:45 PM

macadamnut: fugeeface: So, we can get some of the most stupid obscure TV/movie DVD's around, but not Blake's 7?  Ok, so it had terrible special effects, but writing and story lines were pretty good.   What gives?

You're a sci-fi fan in a thread about self-repairing microchips and you don't know about torrents? What gives?


OK that was mean, but I'm sure you can get DVD boxed sets of Blake's 7 because I saw pictures of them on the torrent site I downloaded them from.
 
2013-03-31 04:08:28 PM

DON.MAC: imfallen_angel: pup.socket: Self-healing circuits? Meh. How about some Servalan porn tapes instead?

I'd rather Jenna.

I'm more of a Servalan fan but why not both?

Has the new series been completely canned or can someone find enough money to let it happen?  I'm ok with watching what is next from the Kerr Avon point of view.


Well....   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake's_7#Television
 
2013-03-31 04:09:47 PM
it ated my link.Anyhow, it looks like it will by on syfy, sometime . so, yeah.its dead
 
2013-03-31 05:18:27 PM
I love Servalan.  She's like Joan Collins in space.
 
2013-03-31 05:23:48 PM

fugeeface: So, we can get some of the most stupid obscure TV/movie DVD's around, but not Blake's 7?  Ok, so it had terrible special effects, but writing and story lines were pretty good.   What gives?


Well, it's a far darker and bleaker series than "Dr. Who" for one thing...  TPTB may have decided that there isn't enough of an audience to justify the investment...

/ saw this on my local PBS station back in the 80's...
 
2013-03-31 05:38:07 PM
People need to start getting real when all of these "____ said ___ in ___ and now ___ is here!" start happening. Anyone ever stop to consider that maybe somewhere along the line a peron say this and thought "Cool! I bet I could do that!" instead of it being some magical happenstance? It's called a coincidence.
 
2013-03-31 06:28:14 PM
I've seen this movie before. Turns out the self-healing circuits lead to evolution. Thanks a lot, science guys.
 
2013-03-31 06:35:35 PM

fugeeface: So, we can get some of the most stupid obscure TV/movie DVD's around, but not Blake's 7?  Ok, so it had terrible special effects, but writing and story lines were pretty good.   What gives?


Will you settle for Blakey's 7?

shop.jbhifi.co.nz
 
2013-03-31 08:41:25 PM
I thought my car was going to fix itself for free. Thanks for crushing my hopes Subby.
 
2013-03-31 09:57:40 PM

macadamnut: macadamnut: fugeeface: So, we can get some of the most stupid obscure TV/movie DVD's around, but not Blake's 7?  Ok, so it had terrible special effects, but writing and story lines were pretty good.   What gives?

You're a sci-fi fan in a thread about self-repairing microchips and you don't know about torrents? What gives?

OK that was mean, but I'm sure you can get DVD boxed sets of Blake's 7 because I saw pictures of them on the torrent site I downloaded them from.


I should have been more detailed in my whine.  As far as I know, they aren't available in Region 1 DVD format yet.  As for torrenting, I admit to still being leery of its older reputation, so I avoid it.
 
2013-03-31 10:05:14 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: fugeeface: So, we can get some of the most stupid obscure TV/movie DVD's around, but not Blake's 7?  Ok, so it had terrible special effects, but writing and story lines were pretty good.   What gives?

Well, it's a far darker and bleaker series than "Dr. Who" for one thing...  TPTB may have decided that there isn't enough of an audience to justify the investment...

/ saw this on my local PBS station back in the 80's...


Yeah, the dark and bleak theme appealed to me.  I hope the retooling of Blake's 7 by syfy ( http://io9.com/5936811/will-syfys-blakes-7-reboot-be-as-good-as-battl e star-galactica ) will update the dark levels of the original.  Looks promising.  Hopefully it will lead to a renewed interest in the old series.
 
2013-03-31 10:19:36 PM

fugeeface: I hope the retooling of Blake's 7 by syfy ( http://io9.com/5936811/will-syfys-blakes-7-reboot-be-as-good-as-battl e star-galactica ) will update the dark levels of the original.  Looks promising.  Hopefully it will lead to a renewed interest in the old series.


Too bad it is syfy.  Will they add ghost or wrestling?  I expect it will be unwatchable.  With any luck, it will be a joint deal with the BBC or Dave-TV without syfy having any artistic control.

I'm wondering if Paul Darrow will have wished he backed down once he sees what syfy will do with what he thinks is his show.

I had to explain to a friend what an ECC error was and why it wasn't a major problem on a system with lots of ram and why it might even come back if he is running a real OS.  Solaris has been scanning free memory for decades doing background memory tests and dropping segments out of the memory pool ad bringing them back when they test good again.
 
2013-03-31 10:47:59 PM
I see redundant systems and real-time systems coordination has been covered.
I'll be on my way, then.
 
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