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(New York Magazine)   Princeton alumna tells college women that they should concentrate on their degree and that men will respect them for their minds. Just kidding, she tells them that they should act stupid, look pretty and focus on getting a Mrs. degree   (nymag.com) divider line 146
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2013-03-30 11:53:46 PM
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2013-03-31 01:07:09 AM
FTFA: In the mid-seventies, Susan A. Patton was among the "200 pioneer women" to join Princeton University's previously all-male student body.

It appears that she learned the wrong lesson.
 
2013-03-31 01:28:40 AM
Simply put, there is a very limited population of men who are as smart or smarter than we are. And I say again - you will never again be surrounded by this concentration of men who are worthy of you.

*barf*

What a load of twaddle.
 
2013-03-31 04:54:21 AM

quatchi: Simply put, there is a very limited population of men who are as smart or smarter than we are. And I say again - you will never again be surrounded by this concentration of men who are worthy of you.

*barf*

What a load of twaddle.


You know, I read TFA with an open mind, and was initially prepared to even possibly defend her opinion.  Then I read that.
 
2013-03-31 05:19:05 AM

quatchi: Simply put, there is a very limited population of men who are as smart or smarter than we are. And I say again - you will never again be surrounded by this concentration of men who are worthy of you.

*barf*

What a load of twaddle.




If she wanted to really be honest she should have been speaking of earning potential and not intelligence.
 
2013-03-31 05:49:41 AM
My husband is two years younger than I. There are also plenty of smart fellas at the state colleges, or is she using "smart" and "worthy of you" as euphemisms for "has earning potential" and "from rich families?"

Quit objectifying men for their pay checks.
 
2013-03-31 05:51:11 AM

Moonfisher: or is she using "smart" and "worthy of you" as euphemisms for "has earning potential" and "from rich families?"


That
 
2013-03-31 05:59:53 AM
We have already had the 'why do men prefer younger women thread', where Farkers very considerately pointed out that all women either need to find the right guy to marry in their twenties, or accept that their purpose in life is to take care of many cats, or even better, go off a cliff in a lemming like fashion.

But here we go again, I've got my chocolate eggs ready instead of popcorn.....
 
2013-03-31 06:06:24 AM
Smart women can't (shouldn't) marry men who aren't at least their intellectual equal. As Princeton women, we have almost priced ourselves out of the market.

There are three genders:  Men, women, and women with Doctorates.
 
2013-03-31 06:10:14 AM
She was among the first female students ever at Princeton? In the mid-70s? Advising to hook a man? Shocking.
 
2013-03-31 06:10:45 AM

sendtodave: Smart women can't (shouldn't) marry men who aren't at least their intellectual equal. As Princeton women, we have almost priced ourselves out of the market.


So men should always marry women as stupid or stupider than them, basically, is what she's saying.
 
2013-03-31 06:12:05 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: sendtodave: Smart women can't (shouldn't) marry men who aren't at least their intellectual equal. As Princeton women, we have almost priced ourselves out of the market.

So men should always marry women as stupid or stupider than them, basically, is what she's saying.


It's a pride thing.
 
2013-03-31 06:21:03 AM
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That stupid biatch isn't even Harvard material.
 
2013-03-31 06:34:15 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: sendtodave: Smart women can't (shouldn't) marry men who aren't at least their intellectual equal. As Princeton women, we have almost priced ourselves out of the market.

So men should always marry women as stupid or stupider than them, basically, is what she's saying.


It sounds so sexy when you put it like that!

So when will we start seeing "be willing to date someone dumber than you" as a requirement on dating profiles?
 
2013-03-31 06:40:00 AM
many females use college to land what they perceive is a suitable husband, nothing new. keep in mind this lady is speaking from life experience and has matured in her years. maybe her wording isn't to your liking but i think she means well. who knows, she may even take her children to church. there's another possible reason to hate her.
 
2013-03-31 06:44:43 AM

KrispyKritter: many females use college to land what they perceive is a suitable husband, nothing new. keep in mind this lady is speaking from life experience and has matured in her years. maybe her wording isn't to your liking but i think she means well. who knows, she may even take her children to church. there's another possible reason to hate her.


Why do you hit "add comment" after these types of brain farts?
Next time you get one of these ideas to post something, it would behoove you to take a few deep breaths and go back to reddit.
 
2013-03-31 06:51:46 AM

Moonfisher: My husband is two years younger than I. There are also plenty of smart fellas at the state colleges, or is she using "smart" and "worthy of you" as euphemisms for "has earning potential" and "from rich families?"

Quit objectifying men for their pay checks.


Well, if they're in an ivy league school, they've got rich parents, a trust fund, or are expected to be smart enough to invent something that'll make a load of money.  Maybe even a combination of all of those.  And then once the ring is on his finger, he either sticks with her or loses half of everything when she opens the box of crazy.

/yes I know, men are crazy too
 
2013-03-31 06:57:43 AM
I have a bachelor's, and an associates. I work in nuclear power (traveling radiation protection contractor). I'm about to turn thirty. Not married, no kids.
Many of my coworkers seem to think there's something wrong with me because of this. Especially since I'm not looking. I don't need another high maintenance high cost hobby.

In other words: be happy your own way and stuff this woman's advice if it does you no good.

/single and awesome
 
2013-03-31 07:03:32 AM

Ringshadow: I have a bachelor's, and an associates. I work in nuclear power (traveling radiation protection contractor). I'm about to turn thirty. Not married, no kids.
Many of my coworkers seem to think there's something wrong with me because of this.


It's OK, you can come out here, Farkers are open minded.
 
2013-03-31 07:11:58 AM
I do not consider myself to be particularly handsome and I will, short of winning the lotto, never be rich.

I can say that any woman who thinks like this woman is not only unworthy of me... but beneath me as a human being.

You'll always be what you are in your heart no matter how successful you are.
 
2013-03-31 07:14:21 AM
I'm not trying to defend the letter at hand here, but Maureen?

"Some of the dumbest and most intellectually incurious people I've known were in my class at Princeton."

Honey, you don't know enough people.
 
2013-03-31 07:17:09 AM

evilmrsock: Honey, you don't know enough people.


She may fall into the same thing as others like her in that they really don't know anyone outside of the small circles they've been in their whole lives and have really no concept of anything outside of them.
 
2013-03-31 07:17:52 AM

randomjsa: I do not consider myself to be particularly handsome and I will, short of winning the lotto, never be rich.


I, for one, am utterly shocked by this revelation.
 
2013-03-31 07:24:33 AM
Whatever.  When I can bring home $100 an hour for opening beer bottles with a wink, then we'll talk about gender equality in the workplace.
 
2013-03-31 07:27:33 AM
I'm sure Sideshow Bob has something to say about this.
 
2013-03-31 07:36:17 AM

sendtodave: Smart women can't (shouldn't) marry men who aren't at least their intellectual equal. As Princeton women, we have almost priced ourselves out of the market.

There are three genders:  Men, women, and women with Doctorates.


What's wrong with a woman who holds a Doctorate? What does she end up with for a mate?
 
2013-03-31 07:36:23 AM
She has a legitimate point. If they the ladies are earning advance degrees it will limit the number of potential mates.
 
2013-03-31 07:37:58 AM
I am dating a incredible woman with a doctorate.  I am getting a kick out of this article.

I quit school after finishing the 18th grade.

I'm 31.  I'm an applied nuclear physicist (Nuclear Engineer).  She's a college professor.
 
2013-03-31 07:38:55 AM

Coastalgrl: sendtodave: Smart women can't (shouldn't) marry men who aren't at least their intellectual equal. As Princeton women, we have almost priced ourselves out of the market.

There are three genders:  Men, women, and women with Doctorates.

What's wrong with a woman who holds a Doctorate? What does she end up with for a mate?


Cats.
 
2013-03-31 07:45:29 AM

Nidiot: Coastalgrl: What's wrong with a woman who holds a Doctorate? What does she end up with for a mate?

Cats.


Huh. When I was in college, I used to house sit for some of my professors over holidays when they'd leave town and... well, they were all older, unmarried, PhD-holding women who never had fewer than three cats.
 
2013-03-31 07:56:38 AM

Ringshadow: I don't need another high maintenance high cost hobby.


I believe that will be added to my list of responses when people ask why I do not have children.
 
2013-03-31 07:58:19 AM
There must be something in the water at Princeton, because every alum I have ever met thinks there shiat doesn't stink. At the same time, I have never been academically impressed with any of them.
 
2013-03-31 07:59:31 AM

telaran: Nidiot: Coastalgrl: What's wrong with a woman who holds a Doctorate? What does she end up with for a mate?

Cats.

Huh. When I was in college, I used to house sit for some of my professors over holidays when they'd leave town and... well, they were all older, unmarried, PhD-holding women who never had fewer than three cats.


That is why I think this Princeton Alumna in the article is telling the truth.

That and I've been on Fark so long that I now believe men really do value women's youth and hotness above all other attributes.
 
2013-03-31 08:02:41 AM

telaran: Nidiot: Coastalgrl: What's wrong with a woman who holds a Doctorate? What does she end up with for a mate?

Cats.

Huh. When I was in college, I used to house sit for some of my professors over holidays when they'd leave town and... well, they were all older, unmarried, PhD-holding women who never had fewer than three cats.


As a single woman pursuing a PhD right now, I'm not getting a kick out of these replies.  There is some truth to the fact that I have difficulty connecting with men who not as well educated. Lord knows I've tried, and have always been an equal opportunity dater.  But, I find myself usually with some guy who wants me to make all the decisions for him, and I start feeling like someone's mother rather than someone's partner. No one wants that. In fact, one guy I thought briefly was gold was in fact still LIVING with his mother.
 
2013-03-31 08:05:02 AM
Youth and hotness fade, but that's okay if you trade-in every 10 years, like the author's husband.
 
2013-03-31 08:09:50 AM
It's amazing how forgiving men can be about a woman's lack of erudition, if she is exceptionally pretty.

I keep having to bang this drum, but people need to realise that schooling and the capacity for learning and analysis isn't everything.

I didn't marry an intellectual. I doubt she'd be considered as exceptionally pretty (she only occassionally got hit on). I work in software and meet some farking ridiculously educated people every day. I married a "rock", someone who has her feet on the ground, which is pretty important with my general level of craziness. If I didn't, my kids wouldn't brush their teeth or go home to bed at the right time. They'd be sitting up until 10pm with me learning about the RSA algorithm.
 
2013-03-31 08:09:57 AM
Ironically, this objectifies women more than any man could, or any of those video games that Anita Sarkeesian sees to be "the problem", or any "erotic model" or "exotic dancer" could.
 
2013-03-31 08:11:18 AM
Alumna? How about alumnuts! So sick of the dumbing down of America. Happy Easter, atheists.
 
2013-03-31 08:16:59 AM

farkeruk: I didn't marry an intellectual. I doubt she'd be considered as exceptionally pretty (she only occassionally got hit on). I work in software and meet some farking ridiculously educated people every day. I married a "rock", someone who has her feet on the ground, which is pretty important with my general level of craziness. If I didn't, my kids wouldn't brush their teeth or go home to bed at the right time. They'd be sitting up until 10pm with me learning about the RSA algorithm.


So, the question is if a woman can be a 'rock' spouse while being exceptionally intelligent, as well. Are you her rock, too?
 
2013-03-31 08:21:42 AM

IlGreven: Ironically, this objectifies women more than any man could, or any of those video games that Anita Sarkeesian sees to be "the problem", or any "erotic model" or "exotic dancer" could.


But it is the truth, isn't it better to tell women the reality before they end up being single at forty and wondering how they ended up being so totally unwanted?
 
2013-03-31 08:23:47 AM

Nidiot: Coastalgrl: sendtodave: Smart women can't (shouldn't) marry men who aren't at least their intellectual equal. As Princeton women, we have almost priced ourselves out of the market.

There are three genders:  Men, women, and women with Doctorates.

What's wrong with a woman who holds a Doctorate? What does she end up with for a mate?

Cats.


The only reason I have one is my boyfriend (now ex) was tossing the cat around. Those anger management classes weren't helping him. So I took the cat and left.

Its much easier to care for a cat than a dog. I love dogs but I cant come home every couple of hours and let the dog out. So the cat stays.

/partway through PhD
 
2013-03-31 08:27:09 AM
i see nowhere in her remarks the importance of making a good sandwich and giving a good beejer. Men are pretty easy to please and very superficial, ladies, so just make the effort and you're good to go.
 
2013-03-31 08:27:51 AM

Coastalgrl: Nidiot: Coastalgrl: sendtodave: Smart women can't (shouldn't) marry men who aren't at least their intellectual equal. As Princeton women, we have almost priced ourselves out of the market.

There are three genders:  Men, women, and women with Doctorates.

What's wrong with a woman who holds a Doctorate? What does she end up with for a mate?

Cats.

The only reason I have one is my boyfriend (now ex) was tossing the cat around. Those anger management classes weren't helping him. So I took the cat and left.

Its much easier to care for a cat than a dog. I love dogs but I cant come home every couple of hours and let the dog out. So the cat stays.

/partway through PhD


One cat is okay, but three or more is definitely crazy cat lady territory. I swear I'll not get a cat just out of principle, although I live with a cat at the moment that is not mine.
 
2013-03-31 08:31:36 AM

gulogulo: telaran: Nidiot: Coastalgrl: What's wrong with a woman who holds a Doctorate? What does she end up with for a mate?

Cats.

Huh. When I was in college, I used to house sit for some of my professors over holidays when they'd leave town and... well, they were all older, unmarried, PhD-holding women who never had fewer than three cats.

As a single woman pursuing a PhD right now, I'm not getting a kick out of these replies.  There is some truth to the fact that I have difficulty connecting with men who not as well educated. Lord knows I've tried, and have always been an equal opportunity dater.  But, I find myself usually with some guy who wants me to make all the decisions for him, and I start feeling like someone's mother rather than someone's partner. No one wants that. In fact, one guy I thought briefly was gold was in fact still LIVING with his mother.


I'm in the same shoes as you. My last BF actually told me it was irresponsible of me to have gone to college if I needed to take out student loans to pay for it. I have also dated men without graduate degrees and its difficult for them to understand what it means to go to school and learn a trade. The men I meet specifically want a woman engineer but want her to give it up to stay home with the kids. I just don't understand that. I mostly get men who want to control me. I'm hoping to meet a guy while back in school for my PhD who can understand me as a woman and respect my abilities as an engineer and a scientist. So far its slim pickings.

I also find that most of my friends who married right out of college are now divorced and by early to mid 30's are married with the 'successful second'. I'm hoping to bypass the 'failed first' by going through graduate school and maybe end up in a 'successful second'. But if not, its ok too. If I end up getting divorced, Id probably end up paying the guy alimony so I'm not rushing to the altar.

Best of luck in PhD.
 
2013-03-31 08:32:12 AM

wambu: i see nowhere in her remarks the importance of making a good sandwich and giving a good beejer. Men are pretty easy to please and very superficial, ladies, so just make the effort and you're good to go.


If all the guy can contribute to the relationship is a willingness to be on the receiving end of bj's and sandwiches, he is unlikely to be seen as the intellectual equal the educated woman wanted in the first place.
 
2013-03-31 08:32:33 AM

Nidiot: But it is the truth,


Funny enough of the women I know with advanced degrees, none has had any issues with finding boyfriends or a husband. Seems perhaps it's not the degrees but the person.
 
2013-03-31 08:32:40 AM
I've never been happy with a significantly less intelligent partner. I don't know, maybe other men get off on that whole creepy vibe, but having to explain things that seem obvious to me make me feel like I'm taking advantage.
 
2013-03-31 08:36:06 AM

Ringshadow: I have a bachelor's, and an associates. I work in nuclear power (traveling radiation protection contractor). I'm about to turn thirty. Not married, no kids.
Many of my coworkers seem to think there's something wrong with me because of this. Especially since I'm not looking. I don't need another high maintenance high cost hobby.

In other words: be happy your own way and stuff this woman's advice if it does you no good.

/single and awesome



IIRC, you live in western Michigan.  I lived in Grand Rapids when I was 23-25, I'm a dude, and people thought I was strange because I wasn't married.

Of course, this was more than 2 decades ago; but it's good to hear the place hasn't changed.
 
2013-03-31 08:39:52 AM
Whatever. Feeble chicks with PhD's don't want to educate in the first place. They want to pontificate...and pretentiously condescend. Enjoy cleaning the litter box since your own box will remain untouched.
 
2013-03-31 08:40:46 AM
 
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