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2013-03-31 08:40:12 AM

Mrtraveler01: All I'm saying is that the story didn't decide to mention that he was under investigation to the murder until the very end of the story so they could play up the whole "ATF raids innocent explosives owner" angle.


The murder happened 4 months ago and was reported. The ATF raid, and the reasons for them being there a few days ago are clearly an independent topic for a news story. Nice try though.
 
2013-03-31 08:44:33 AM

USP .45: The murder happened 4 months ago and was reported


And was still under investigation even back in early March.

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2013/mar/07/ratliff-murder-inves ti gation-active-gbi-says/

Investigators don't just stop investigating murders over a certain amount of time. Especially 2+ months after the murder (it happened in Janurary).
 
2013-03-31 09:02:32 AM
I would love to see the reaction to this if the show was called FPS Algeria and the host was a Muslim with a funny sounding name. Something tells me it would be quite different.

Hell, the same people here saying it was an over reaction by the ATF are some of the same people who were cheering when a Muslim temple was being legally erected and got defaced. farking hypocrites.
 
2013-03-31 09:02:35 AM

Mrtraveler01: And was still under investigation even back in early March.


You've convinced me that the ATF raid was for a murder investigation. Thanks for the information.
 
2013-03-31 09:06:59 AM

dinch: Hell, the same people here saying it was an over reaction by the ATF are some of the same people who were cheering when a Muslim temple was being legally erected and got defaced. farking hypocrites.


That's quite the claim, obviously you'll be posting quotes to prove this in a few moments, right?
 
2013-03-31 09:08:13 AM
I'm on my phone and it's too hard to look that up. Are you saying that's incorrect?
 
2013-03-31 09:08:35 AM

dinch: I would love to see the reaction to this if the show was called FPS Algeria and the host was a Muslim with a funny sounding name. Something tells me it would be quite different.

Hell, the same people here saying it was an over reaction by the ATF are some of the same people who were cheering when a Muslim temple was being legally erected and got defaced. farking hypocrites.


Yes, something would be different, you'd have the so called liberals actually contributing to the outrage, unless of course it's an Arab making anti-Islamic videos on youtube, then it's wellfarkthatguy. Additionally, vandals defacing religious grounds in an isolated incident =/= a federal agency with a dubious track record continuing the trend.
 
2013-03-31 09:09:26 AM

Mrtraveler01: way south: They were both there because this guy was showing off guns and special effects on YouTube and they thought they'd make an easy score on some kind of paperwork error.
This was a fishing trip on taxpayer dollars.

You have your theories, I have mine.

All I'm saying is that the story didn't decide to mention that he was under investigation to the murder until the very end of the story so they could play up the whole "ATF raids innocent explosives owner" angle.




I'm saying it because this. is. what. ATF. does. They go after small operations and try to hit them with the book, knowing they can't afford a legal battle. Its low hanging fruit to them.
An actual criminal has a better chance of being bitten by a shark than being arrested by the ATF.
 
2013-03-31 09:13:36 AM
I understand the differences in the situations. It's a bit of apples to oranges except where rights are concerned. Do I think an ATF raid on this guys property was justified? Don't really know but from what I'm seeing, no, not really. I'd it was an investigation into a murder than that would fall outside of the ATFs scope, no? I just find it ridiculous how rights for people change based on their skin color and beliefs. Now, are you going to say that statement is incorrect?
 
2013-03-31 09:14:25 AM

dinch: I'm on my phone and it's too hard to look that up. Are you saying that's incorrect?


I'm saying I've not seen that, so if you're going to claim such a thing, you should be prepared to provide evidence instead of excuses.
 
2013-03-31 09:15:57 AM
You haven't seen the reaction of right wingers to temples being built in places they seem improper? Seriously? Where the hell have you been?
 
2013-03-31 09:21:14 AM

Warlordtrooper: Dr. Goldshnoz: odinsposse: The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

This is the problem here, folks.

Yep a YouTube video is not probable cause and the 4 th amendment bans fishing expeditions which is what this was


Thanks to the PATRIOT act, that's no longer the case.
 
2013-03-31 09:22:02 AM

dinch: You haven't seen the reaction of right wingers to temples being built in places they seem improper? Seriously? Where the hell have you been?


dinch: Hell, the same people here saying it was an over reaction by the ATF are some of the same people who were cheering when a Muslim temple was being legally erected and got defaced.


Already dragging those goalposts around, I see.
 
2013-03-31 09:23:27 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: dinch: You haven't seen the reaction of right wingers to temples being built in places they seem improper? Seriously? Where the hell have you been?

dinch: Hell, the same people here saying it was an over reaction by the ATF are some of the same people who were cheering when a Muslim temple was being legally erected and got defaced.

Already dragging those goalposts around, I see.


You have a problem with reading comprehension?
 
MFK
2013-03-31 09:24:25 AM

HeWhoHasNoName: Fark It: We have police chiefs saying they don't prosecute people who lie on 4473s because it's a "paperwork problem," 500+ murders a year in Chicago, yet the ATF sees fit to send 50 agents to the house of a guy with one of the most popular YT channels on the planet because they were looking for illegal explosives.  They found no evidence of wrongdoing, nor is there any evidence of wrongdoing posted in any of his videos.  They considered taking his guns anyway.  And there are people of a certain ideological bent in here defending this because he's an icky gun owner, never mind the implications for the 4th Amendment.

Truly sickening.

...and people wonder why gun rights advocates are a little rightfully paranoid.  Yes, when you put all the evidence together, the ATF IS out to get them sometimes.


Right. So you have these people who are anonymously blowing shiat up with high explosives and sophisticated weaponry -over and over again. One of the owners was murdered and the case is unsolved. But clearly, this is all in good fun and the government has no "legit" reason for finding out wtf is going on over there because a bunch of yahoos like watching them on youtube.

it's all a conspiracy to take yer guns.

(epicfacepalm.jpg)
 
2013-03-31 09:26:07 AM

USP .45: Mrtraveler01: And was still under investigation even back in early March.

You've convinced me that the ATF raid was for a murder investigation. Thanks for the information.


No problem. Glad I could help out.

That's why I usually check into local newspapers and tv stations before taking a blog (or in this case Russian State Media) for their word.

Because blogs and sites like RT tend to omit things in order to push something completely different:

In this case: "ATF raids innocent explosives owner  who is part of a murder investigation"
 
2013-03-31 09:28:08 AM

way south: Mrtraveler01: way south: They were both there because this guy was showing off guns and special effects on YouTube and they thought they'd make an easy score on some kind of paperwork error.
This was a fishing trip on taxpayer dollars.

You have your theories, I have mine.

All I'm saying is that the story didn't decide to mention that he was under investigation to the murder until the very end of the story so they could play up the whole "ATF raids innocent explosives owner" angle.

I'm saying it because this. is. what. ATF. does. They go after small operations and try to hit them with the book, knowing they can't afford a legal battle. Its low hanging fruit to them.
An actual criminal has a better chance of being bitten by a shark than being arrested by the ATF.


ATF"s track record is less than stellar. But in this case the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was also involved in this raid.

Now I don't live in Georgia but if the GBI has a shady record too, let me know.

But that being said, if this was just a raid because they thought he had "illegal explosives", why would the GBI be involved too?
 
2013-03-31 09:30:53 AM

dinch: BraveNewCheneyWorld: dinch: You haven't seen the reaction of right wingers to temples being built in places they seem improper? Seriously? Where the hell have you been?

dinch: Hell, the same people here saying it was an over reaction by the ATF are some of the same people who were cheering when a Muslim temple was being legally erected and got defaced.

Already dragging those goalposts around, I see.

You have a problem with reading comprehension?


No, but you apparently do.  How does "having a reaction to a temple being in a place that seems improper" equal "cheering when a temple is defaced"?  You know that the former can be voicing mild disapproval, while the latter is supportive of criminal behavior, right?
 
2013-03-31 09:31:01 AM
A lot of sharp legal minds in here.

"I know this raid was unconstitutional because I am very emotional about the subject of guns and I masturbate to Youtube firearms video "
 
2013-03-31 09:34:25 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: dinch: BraveNewCheneyWorld: dinch: You haven't seen the reaction of right wingers to temples being built in places they seem improper? Seriously? Where the hell have you been?

dinch: Hell, the same people here saying it was an over reaction by the ATF are some of the same people who were cheering when a Muslim temple was being legally erected and got defaced.

Already dragging those goalposts around, I see.

You have a problem with reading comprehension?

No, but you apparently do.  How does "having a reaction to a temple being in a place that seems improper" equal "cheering when a temple is defaced"?  You know that the former can be voicing mild disapproval, while the latter is supportive of criminal behavior, right?


They both have happened. You know that, right?

Just curious, what was your stand on the issue?
 
2013-03-31 09:35:10 AM

MFK: Right. So you have these people who are anonymously blowing shiat up with high explosives and sophisticated weaponry -over and over again.


All of which was legal. You may not like it but it's legal.

Sandra Fluke takes lots of dick. Lots and lots of dick, over and over. She needs subsidized birth control just to keep all that semen in check, and she's testified before Congress to make it so. If a business associate gets murdered, does the ATF raid her medicine locker with the expressed purpose of looking for illegal duplicate prescriptions?
 
2013-03-31 09:38:31 AM

USP .45: Sandra Fluke takes lots of dick. Lots and lots of dick, over and over. She needs subsidized birth control just to keep all that semen in check, and she's testified before Congress to make it so.


Really?
 
2013-03-31 09:40:12 AM

USP .45: MFK: Right. So you have these people who are anonymously blowing shiat up with high explosives and sophisticated weaponry -over and over again.

All of which was legal. You may not like it but it's legal.

Sandra Fluke takes lots of dick. Lots and lots of dick, over and over. She needs subsidized birth control just to keep all that semen in check, and she's testified before Congress to make it so. If a business associate gets murdered, does the ATF raid her medicine locker with the expressed purpose of looking for illegal duplicate prescriptions?


?... Well, that was a dumb comparison. Anyway, kids are up and it's time to hunt for eggs. Happy spring
 
2013-03-31 09:40:58 AM

Mrtraveler01: USP .45: Sandra Fluke takes lots of dick. Lots and lots of dick, over and over. She needs subsidized birth control just to keep all that semen in check, and she's testified before Congress to make it so.

Really?


awwww, are you going to whiteknight over an obvious joke?

/meant DEA btw
 
2013-03-31 09:42:12 AM

dinch: BraveNewCheneyWorld: dinch: BraveNewCheneyWorld: dinch: You haven't seen the reaction of right wingers to temples being built in places they seem improper? Seriously? Where the hell have you been?

dinch: Hell, the same people here saying it was an over reaction by the ATF are some of the same people who were cheering when a Muslim temple was being legally erected and got defaced.

Already dragging those goalposts around, I see.

You have a problem with reading comprehension?

No, but you apparently do.  How does "having a reaction to a temple being in a place that seems improper" equal "cheering when a temple is defaced"?  You know that the former can be voicing mild disapproval, while the latter is supportive of criminal behavior, right?

They both have happened. You know that, right?

Just curious, what was your stand on the issue?


Oh, I'm sure, someone, somewhere did both, but you're claiming that those people are here, so please let us know who they are, because I strongly suspect you're a lying piece of shiat, and the fact that you keep dodging all efforts to get you to provide any form of evidence isn't helping your case.
 
2013-03-31 09:42:44 AM

USP .45: Mrtraveler01: USP .45: Sandra Fluke takes lots of dick. Lots and lots of dick, over and over. She needs subsidized birth control just to keep all that semen in check, and she's testified before Congress to make it so.

Really?

awwww, are you going to whiteknight over an obvious joke?

/meant DEA btw


Sorry, my snark detector is on the fritz.
 
2013-03-31 09:42:48 AM

dinch: Well, that was a dumb comparison.


it's a hilarious comparison unless you watch GLEE. It's reasonably accurate too.

Public figure embraces regulated but legal items that certain people don't like, tangentially related murder occurs, respective 3 letter agency raids property looking for items not connected to the murder.
 
2013-03-31 09:47:52 AM
A guy gets murdered. The ATF obtains a legal search warrent for the murdered guys business partner. After conducting the search the ATF finds nothing illegal, and leaves the guy with all his guns and s'plosion stuff.

I'm outraged.
 
MFK
2013-03-31 09:49:42 AM

USP .45: MFK: Right. So you have these people who are anonymously blowing shiat up with high explosives and sophisticated weaponry -over and over again.

All of which was legal. You may not like it but it's legal.

Sandra Fluke takes lots of dick. Lots and lots of dick, over and over. She needs subsidized birth control just to keep all that semen in check, and she's testified before Congress to make it so. If a business associate gets murdered, does the ATF raid her medicine locker with the expressed purpose of looking for illegal duplicate prescriptions?


Nice.

And you wonder why the rest of us find that you gun enthusiasts" are a bunch of assholes.
 
2013-03-31 09:50:41 AM

Mrtraveler01: way south: Mrtraveler01: way south: They were both there because this guy was showing off guns and special effects on YouTube and they thought they'd make an easy score on some kind of paperwork error.
This was a fishing trip on taxpayer dollars.

You have your theories, I have mine.

All I'm saying is that the story didn't decide to mention that he was under investigation to the murder until the very end of the story so they could play up the whole "ATF raids innocent explosives owner" angle.

I'm saying it because this. is. what. ATF. does. They go after small operations and try to hit them with the book, knowing they can't afford a legal battle. Its low hanging fruit to them.
An actual criminal has a better chance of being bitten by a shark than being arrested by the ATF.

ATF"s track record is less than stellar. But in this case the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was also involved in this raid.

Now I don't live in Georgia but if the GBI has a shady record too, let me know.

But that being said, if this was just a raid because they thought he had "illegal explosives", why would the GBI be involved too?




Why wouldn't the Feds burn off local resources while conducting their operations?
This has been a regular bone of contention between our local PD and the DEA. It costs them nothing to take extra manpower and equipment.

...and since when is it ok to go moseying through someone's house looking for a murder weapon if you haven't got an evidence trail leading you there?
"He happens to own alot pf guns, so let's see if the gun we want is there" is a damn flimsy excuse if I ever heard one.

If this was your house and some cop pushed his way in to have a look around, you'd be filing lawsuits.
 
2013-03-31 09:52:21 AM

log_jammin: The ATF obtains a legal search warrent for the murdered guys business partner.


the business partner was exploded? tell me more.

oh he was shot right? but they didn't take any of the weapons for ballistic fingerprinting

oh because they were expressly there for explosives, so please tell me about how the business partner was exploded to death.
 
2013-03-31 09:56:18 AM

MFK: Nice.

And you wonder why the rest of us find that you gun enthusiasts" are a bunch of assholes.


"Bloomberg should make black guys illegal so at the next CPAC I can watch her suck on one."

Funniest shiat I've read on Fark in a long time.

Get a sense of humor that doesn't involve Dwight Schrute.

/I mean she testified to congress about her birth control demands, that writes itself.
 
2013-03-31 09:58:22 AM

USP .45: log_jammin: The ATF obtains a legal search warrent for the murdered guys business partner.

the business partner was exploded? tell me more.

oh he was shot right? but they didn't take any of the weapons for ballistic fingerprinting

oh because they were expressly there for explosives, so please tell me about how the business partner was exploded to death.


They weren't "expressly there for explosives". As the article stated, it was part of a murder investigation and the ATF, along with the FBI and the local cops were conducting a search warrant.

Whine about the ATF all you want, but my comment was 100% factual.
 
2013-03-31 10:05:08 AM

MFK: So you have these people who are anonymously blowing shiat up with high explosives and sophisticated weaponry


Anonymously? Just because it's not in the video description link doesn't mean it's a secret. FPS Russia is a character.

The don't call Captain Jack Sparrow "Johnny Depp" during the movie, but his name is in the opening sequence and the end credits. Why should the FPS Russia character be any different?
 
2013-03-31 10:05:55 AM

log_jammin: As the article stated, it was part of a murder investigation and the ATF, along with the FBI and the local cops were conducting a search warrant.


tell me more about how warrants work like signing the same birthday card.
 
2013-03-31 10:10:24 AM

log_jammin: A guy gets murdered. The ATF obtains a legal search warrent for the murdered guys business partner. After conducting the search the ATF finds nothing illegal, and leaves the guy with all his guns and s'plosion stuff.

I'm outraged.


Except that the ATF was there to look for explosives.

So it's more like toilet clogs, you call a plumber, and animal control shows up and forces their way in to make sure you your dogs haven't bitten anyone today.
 
2013-03-31 10:15:01 AM

USP .45: log_jammin: As the article stated, it was part of a murder investigation and the ATF, along with the FBI and the local cops were conducting a search warrant.

tell me more about how warrants work like signing the same birthday card.


In other words. You got nothing.

See you later.
 
2013-03-31 10:40:21 AM
So many bunched panties in here. If you want to exist in the explosives for entertainment game. Expect the Feds to keep an eye on you. Especially when one of your workers is killed.
 
2013-03-31 10:42:32 AM

Mrtraveler01: USP .45: Mrtraveler01: And was still under investigation even back in early March.

You've convinced me that the ATF raid was for a murder investigation. Thanks for the information.

No problem. Glad I could help out.

That's why I usually check into local newspapers and tv stations before taking a blog (or in this case Russian State Media) for their word.

Because blogs and sites like RT tend to omit things in order to push something completely different:

In this case: "ATF raids innocent explosives owner  who is part of a murder investigation"


You have one of the biggest troll accounts on Fark agreeing with you.  Grats.
 
2013-03-31 10:55:31 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Save your outrage for when something outrageous happens.


I'd say baseless 60-man ATF raids are pretty outrageous for a farking murder investigation.

I'd then go on to say that smarmy comments, them wanting him to get a manufacturing license (what the fark for?!) are also pretty outrageous.

Where is the probable cause for that raid? Under what grounds should FPS Industries have to acquire an FFL for manufacturing?

This was an ATF farkup, and it is outrageous.
 
2013-03-31 11:00:41 AM

Bigdogdaddy: How many guns does it take to become a gun nut?  I have 5 now.  I want to know?  Please tell me fark scaredie cats.


Well, if you said that you had 5 cats I'd say that you were closing in on Crazy Cat Person.
 
2013-03-31 11:02:03 AM

TsukasaK: Under what grounds should FPS Industries have to acquire an FFL for manufacturing?


He did make that arrow shell for his 12 gauge that one time. That's kind of like manufacturing, if you call sticking a prefabricated cylinder into another larger prefabricated cylinder with a cotton ball on it to keep it from falling out manufacturing.

He could mass produce those for tens of cents of illegal profit.
 
2013-03-31 11:07:18 AM

Mrtraveler01: PsiChick: IoSaturnalia: Did nobody make it down to the last two paragraphs?

The raids on the Myers' properties were staged as part of an investigation into the death of 32-year-old Keith Richard Ratliff, who was found dead on January 3. Ratliff and the Myers family were co-owners of gun producer FPS Industries; Ratliff was also executive producer of the FPSRussia channel, acquiring or creating rare weapons for the show.
Ratliff was killed by a single bullet to the head. Though a large number of firearms were found at Ratliff's business premises, the murder weapon was not among them. The investigation continues, and so far no names of possible suspects or persons of interest have been revealed.

There's more to it than the man just hassling some youtube redneck who likes making things go boom.

I didn't. That changes it a lot.

/That was a crap article, I couldn't make heads or tails of it.
//Damnit, journalists.

When you consider that it's RT which is basically Russian state propaganda probably intended to make America look like a country full of nutjobs from both the left and right, it's best to take what they say with a grain of salt.


Oh, lovely.

Ed Grubermann: PsiChick: Because clearly the comment of 'if there was a pressing reason go for it, if not then they're assholes, I don't know' is so offensive to you personally you just have to go around annoying me to watch vids that I really don't care that much about.

No, you opined that he might be one of them Teabagger loonies, but you didn't know. Which you could have found out in just a few minutes. If you had bothered. Baseless speculation. I expect nothing less from you.

And aren't you that guy that ignores my ten well-cited sources and posts maybe three highly biased studies instead?

Can't say that I am.


Hmm. I have no idea who you are, but I know I've debated with you before...well, nice seeing you again anyway.
 
MFK
2013-03-31 11:08:49 AM

USP .45: MFK: Nice.

And you wonder why the rest of us find that you gun enthusiasts" are a bunch of assholes.

"Bloomberg should make black guys illegal so at the next CPAC I can watch her suck on one."

Funniest shiat I've read on Fark in a long time.

Get a sense of humor that doesn't involve Dwight Schrute.

/I mean she testified to congress about her birth control demands, that writes itself.


Please. Proceed.
 
2013-03-31 11:09:30 AM
No illegal explosives were found and no arrests were made, but considering the unprecedented arsenal stocked at one of the locations, the agents considered confiscating Myers' weapons

I'm pretty sure there's no upper limit on the number of firearms you are allowed to own.

It sounds more like the Feds looked at his collection and said "Damn, I want those for my rec room!"
 
2013-03-31 11:23:12 AM

MFK: USP .45: MFK: Nice.

And you wonder why the rest of us find that you gun enthusiasts" are a bunch of assholes.

"Bloomberg should make black guys illegal so at the next CPAC I can watch her suck on one."

Funniest shiat I've read on Fark in a long time.

Get a sense of humor that doesn't involve Dwight Schrute.

/I mean she testified to congress about her birth control demands, that writes itself.

Please. Proceed.


That comment was IIRC in reference to Sarah Palin, not Sandra Fluke.
 
2013-03-31 12:31:15 PM
I suspect they were just fishing for a murder weapon or something to break the case of the dead guy. That being said, I've never heard of this guy until yesterday, and now I've watched one of his shows and I liked it. Streisand effect for the win!
 
2013-03-31 12:31:47 PM

IoSaturnalia: Did nobody make it down to the last two paragraphs?

The raids on the Myers' properties were staged as part of an investigation into the death of 32-year-old Keith Richard Ratliff, who was found dead on January 3. Ratliff and the Myers family were co-owners of gun producer FPS Industries; Ratliff was also executive producer of the FPSRussia channel, acquiring or creating rare weapons for the show.
Ratliff was killed by a single bullet to the head. Though a large number of firearms were found at Ratliff's business premises, the murder weapon was not among them. The investigation continues, and so far no names of possible suspects or persons of interest have been revealed.

There's more to it than the man just hassling some youtube redneck who likes making things go boom.


I've said it in other threads: but GODDAMNIT, if I actually take time to learn context and understand a complex issue, someone ELSE will have gotten to express their distaste for...WHATEVER BEFORE me! And everyone knows that expressing an opinion FIRST makes it THE MOST valid!!
 
2013-03-31 12:32:11 PM

duenor: That comment was IIRC in reference to Sarah Palin, not Sandra Fluke.


I know.
 
2013-03-31 12:54:55 PM
I don't like the "malicious intent" or "manufacturing" claims because they seem pretty baseless... that said, given that it is a murder investigation and they knew the places they were going to were going to be well armed to that extent, the ATF was the right agency to execute the warrants.
 
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