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2013-03-30 06:37:20 PM

xanadian: So, why did they confiscate all his guns?


They didn't. They considered it, then backed off.
 
2013-03-30 06:37:32 PM

Corvus: Lenny_da_Hog: Corvus: So now people in this thread believe that we can't regulate explosives anymore?

That everything is a "second amendment right"? A tank, an RPG and a nuke is ok too.

Sorry guys we have munition laws on explosives we always have.

Sorry, if there was anything that was improper and didn't comply with regulations, they would have seized it and pressed charges.

Did you read the article? There wasn't any explosives there. There was a video but they weren't there when they raided his place.

Read the article next time.


Maybe you should read the article. To wit:

As was apparent in FPSRussia's videos, Myers had used Tannerite - a patented binary explosive traditionally used as a target for firearms practice, because hitting a target is accompanied by a resulting boom. Tannerite is famous for its exceptional stability and can only explode when directly hit by a bullet - even striking it with a hammer won't blow it up.

The extensive use of this explosive for purposes other than shooting practice possibly put federal agents on alert for any kind of explosive that would have meant FPSRussia's producers were in violation of federal law.

 So
Tannerite is not illegal to posses or detonate. The ATF was fishing for other explosives that would be illegal but didn't find any. The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.
 
2013-03-30 06:39:30 PM
rt.com
Hammer & sickle tee. A kalishnikov.
Why did Obama send the ATF to raid one of his socialist buddies?
There must be more layers to this; layers like unto those upon the 'birth certificate'. I must study this out more.
 
2013-03-30 06:39:43 PM

Lionel Mandrake: odinsposse: Dr. Goldshnoz: Lionel Mandrake: The ATF looked into some weird guy with an explosives fetish?

OMFG!!1!  IT'S THE GODDAM FOURTH REICH!!!!


I'd be worried if they weren't looking into guys like that.

Because ATF should totally kick in everyone's door to look in on them just to be sure.

Baseless no-knock raids are okay when they happen to people I don't like.

You guys sound so oppressed.  How can you live in this Stalinist Hellhole?


Sorry, I forgot how much FARK loves the police and the arbitrary use of police authority. Carry on.
 
2013-03-30 06:40:41 PM

odinsposse: The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.


The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

This is the problem here, folks.
 
2013-03-30 06:40:45 PM

Snapper Carr: Snapper Carr: cman: I am gonna wait for the "Better safe than sorry" portion of the Right to come out and defend ATF actions

Actually the ATF is one of the few agencies that both the left and the right generally agree should be taken out back and shot*

after fair trials, convictions, death sentences, and upheld appeals.

*Metaphorically speaking
//please don't break down my door in the middle of the night, I'm not threatening LEO's


FTFY. That's how you make a Constitutionally protected death threat.
 
2013-03-30 06:40:48 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Corvus: I have a question for everyone. If someone posted a video that showed a group robbing a store (and it looked like it was real), do you think police should investigate those people? Should they check their house to see if they really stole the stuff in the video?

I bet almost everyone here would say yes. But because this is something some people in this thread identify themselves with they are blind to see it's the same thing.

TANNERITE IS LEGAL.


So is shooting a fake robbery.
 
2013-03-30 06:41:57 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: odinsposse: The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

This is the problem here, folks.


How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?
 
2013-03-30 06:42:03 PM

odinsposse: Lionel Mandrake: odinsposse: Dr. Goldshnoz: Lionel Mandrake: The ATF looked into some weird guy with an explosives fetish?

OMFG!!1!  IT'S THE GODDAM FOURTH REICH!!!!


I'd be worried if they weren't looking into guys like that.

Because ATF should totally kick in everyone's door to look in on them just to be sure.

Baseless no-knock raids are okay when they happen to people I don't like.

You guys sound so oppressed.  How can you live in this Stalinist Hellhole?

Sorry, I forgot how much FARK loves the police and the arbitrary use of police authority. Carry on.


Yeah, why did they focus on this guy?

I bet those Nazis just flopped open a phone book stabbed a finger down and crashed in on whatever poor sap's name they pointed at.

You could be next!  Better go buy more guns, patriots!!
 
2013-03-30 06:43:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Dr. Goldshnoz: odinsposse: The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

This is the problem here, folks.

How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?


The guy probably said so right in the video!  And if you can't trust some internet guy with an explosives fetish, who can you trust?
 
2013-03-30 06:43:23 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: And? How would we have known that if they didn't investigate it?

Oo. How do I know you don't have an Amber Alert child chained up in your basement? We'd better investigate, just to make sure.

Well for one, I didn't post any YouTube videos of something that could be illegal.


I mean, if you posted a video with your kid, how do we know it's your kid? It could be a stolen kid.

Just like here -- he posted videos of himself doing things with legal products, but you seem to think it's okay to raid him just to make him prove they were all legal, because guns go "bang" and bad guys use them in Bruce Willis movies.
 
2013-03-30 06:44:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: Corvus: I have a question for everyone. If someone posted a video that showed a group robbing a store (and it looked like it was real), do you think police should investigate those people? Should they check their house to see if they really stole the stuff in the video?

I bet almost everyone here would say yes. But because this is something some people in this thread identify themselves with they are blind to see it's the same thing.

TANNERITE IS LEGAL.

So is shooting a fake robbery.



quick! Lock up Hollywood...
 
2013-03-30 06:45:38 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: And? How would we have known that if they didn't investigate it?

Oo. How do I know you don't have an Amber Alert child chained up in your basement? We'd better investigate, just to make sure.

Well for one, I didn't post any YouTube videos of something that could be illegal.

I mean, if you posted a video with your kid, how do we know it's your kid? It could be a stolen kid.

Just like here -- he posted videos of himself doing things with legal products, but you seem to think it's okay to raid him just to make him prove they were all legal, because guns go "bang" and bad guys use them in Bruce Willis movies.


Or because some explosives are illegal and, you know, we need to make sure that people aren't just going around blowing up illegal explosives.

I guess you trust everything that people say on the internet? This guy said it was legal stuff, so that's good enough for the ATF, right?
 
2013-03-30 06:45:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?


Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"
 
2013-03-30 06:46:37 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: And? How would we have known that if they didn't investigate it?

Oo. How do I know you don't have an Amber Alert child chained up in your basement? We'd better investigate, just to make sure.

Well for one, I didn't post any YouTube videos of something that could be illegal.

I mean, if you posted a video with your kid, how do we know it's your kid? It could be a stolen kid.

Just like here -- he posted videos of himself doing things with legal products, but you seem to think it's okay to raid him just to make him prove they were all legal, because guns go "bang" and bad guys use them in Bruce Willis movies.

Or because some explosives are illegal and, you know, we need to make sure that people aren't just going around blowing up illegal explosives.

I guess you trust everything that people say on the internet? This guy said it was legal stuff, so that's good enough for the ATF, right?


Hey, Granny Johnson said those were her grandkids on that video, and you took her word for it?
 
2013-03-30 06:47:22 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Dr. Goldshnoz:  Hey, everybody! I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and bigbutt andmy butt
smells and I like tokiss my ownbutt.

I know


I'm a tiny bit ashamed at how hard I laughed at that.

/not really
 
2013-03-30 06:47:24 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"


And people always tell the truth on the internet.
 
2013-03-30 06:47:29 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"


Oh, so he can't say it's Tannerite if it's really TNT, right? That's like, impossible to do!
 
2013-03-30 06:48:46 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: odinsposse: The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

This is the problem here, folks.


Yep a YouTube video is not probable cause and the 4 th amendment bans fishing expeditions which is what this was
 
2013-03-30 06:49:57 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"

And people always tell the truth on the internet.


Well, this guy did. Lesson learned, right?
 
2013-03-30 06:50:25 PM
It's also impossible to have any other kind of explosive when you possess Tannerite. Literally impossible. That's just science.
 
2013-03-30 06:51:36 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"

Oh, so he can't say it's Tannerite if it's really TNT, right? That's like, impossible to do!


Different materials that have different properties that would have shown on the video.

Stop using what you don't know as a debate tactic.
 
2013-03-30 06:51:36 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"

Oh, so he can't say it's Tannerite if it's really TNT, right? That's like, impossible to do!


*facepalm*

Let's use an analogy. A guy posts videos on Youtube about growing a garden indoors. The DEA raids him to see if he is growing weed. You are basically saying that's okay because he certainly could be growing weed so they should kick down his door just in case.
 
2013-03-30 06:53:48 PM

cman: I am gonna wait for the "Better safe than sorry" portion of the Right to come out and defend ATF actions


Let me translate what you just said so everyone can understand it...

cman: "I have no clue what the hell I'm talking about and make incorrect assumptions about how other people think... Because it's so much easier than actually being honest about it."

FPS Russia runs a guns and explosions channel... Who the blinking hell do you think watches stuff like that? Could it be... right wingers who like guns? Nope, can't be, that makes too much damn sense to your poor little mind.

You are such an idiot.
 
2013-03-30 06:53:59 PM

cameroncrazy1984: It's also impossible to have any other kind of explosive when you possess Tannerite. Literally impossible. That's just science.


What evidence was there of the presence of other explosives?


This would be easier for you to get right if Kyle was brown.
 
2013-03-30 06:54:08 PM

odinsposse: cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"

Oh, so he can't say it's Tannerite if it's really TNT, right? That's like, impossible to do!

*facepalm*

Let's use an analogy. A guy posts videos on Youtube about growing a garden indoors. The DEA raids him to see if he is growing weed. You are basically saying that's okay because he certainly could be growing weed so they should kick down his door just in case.


Was the gardener's business partner found murdered?
 
2013-03-30 06:54:08 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"

Oh, so he can't say it's Tannerite if it's really TNT, right? That's like, impossible to do!


Today, we're using Tannerite!

Here's an explosion that learned ATF specialists should recognize as consistent with Tannerite!

Here's an ATF raid just to make sure I didn't go out of my way to put an illegal explosive in place, then tell you it's Tannerite, just to trick you! Because illegal explosives are so much more easily obtained than Tannerite, or something.
 
2013-03-30 06:56:18 PM

odinsposse: cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"

Oh, so he can't say it's Tannerite if it's really TNT, right? That's like, impossible to do!

*facepalm*

Let's use an analogy. A guy posts videos on Youtube about growing a garden indoors. The DEA raids him to see if he is growing weed. You are basically saying that's okay because he certainly could be growing weed so they should kick down his door just in case.


Question: are there illegal explosives that have detonation properties similar to that of Tannerite?
 
2013-03-30 06:56:21 PM
An ATF raid that doesn't end with the murder of dozens of innocent civilians during a liberal administration?

I am shocked.
 
2013-03-30 06:56:37 PM

xanadian: So, why did they confiscate all his guns? Is there a legal limit to the number of firearms you can own?  Or is this just YET AGAIN another over-reach of federal authority?

People wonder why the "gun nuts" go all apeshiat at the mention of gun control.


[quizzicaldog]

The ATF "considered" the idea apparently but decided at some point that they already had enough egg on their face and dropped it.

FTA:  No illegal explosives were found and no arrests were made, but considering the unprecedented arsenal stocked at one of the locations, the agents considered confiscating Myers' weapons. "The idea at one of the locations was to take firearms, but they did not do that," an ATF spokesperson said, according to Onlineathens.com.

I get that the ATF were on a fishing expedition here and that an unsolved murder is part of this deal but to me this looks less like the ATF doing their jobs properly and more like intimidation and shoddy police work.
 
2013-03-30 06:56:43 PM

quatchi: Blowing up shiat purely for the lulz is the new definition of "malicious" now? Oh, ffs.


It's probably also terrorism since it makes the ATF agents shiat their pants.
 
2013-03-30 06:57:47 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: xanadian: So, why did they confiscate all his guns?

They didn't. They considered it, then backed off.


Ah, I see that now.

I'm not even drunk yet.
 
2013-03-30 06:58:24 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"

Oh, so he can't say it's Tannerite if it's really TNT, right? That's like, impossible to do!


Your concern is justified. Similarly, an individual who posts a video featuring minors whom the individual claims to be their own children may in fact be a kidnapper who is submitting a video featuring kidnapped and abused children. Therefore, posting of any video featuring minors warrants investigation of the video creator by law enforcement.
 
2013-03-30 06:58:56 PM

odinsposse: cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"

Oh, so he can't say it's Tannerite if it's really TNT, right? That's like, impossible to do!

*facepalm*

Let's use an analogy. A guy posts videos on Youtube about growing a garden indoors. The DEA raids him to see if he is growing weed. You are basically saying that's okay because he certainly could be growing weed so they should kick down his door just in case.


Did the video contain footage of a warehouse full of plants that look like pot? And was the camera man found dead 3 months ago?
 
2013-03-30 06:59:42 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Question: are there illegal explosives that have detonation properties similar to that of Tannerite?


Why would you use illegal explosives when you can just buy Tannerite to mimic a Tannerite explosion?
 
2013-03-30 07:00:52 PM

cameroncrazy1984: odinsposse: cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: cameroncrazy1984: How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?

Because he identifies what he's doing in each of his videos -- for example, "AK-47 + Tannerite!"

Oh, so he can't say it's Tannerite if it's really TNT, right? That's like, impossible to do!

*facepalm*

Let's use an analogy. A guy posts videos on Youtube about growing a garden indoors. The DEA raids him to see if he is growing weed. You are basically saying that's okay because he certainly could be growing weed so they should kick down his door just in case.

Question: are there illegal explosives that have detonation properties similar to that of Tannerite?


Maybe. Is that evidence that illegal activity is taking place? Definitely not.
 
2013-03-30 07:00:56 PM

odinsposse: Corvus: Lenny_da_Hog: Corvus: So now people in this thread believe that we can't regulate explosives anymore?

That everything is a "second amendment right"? A tank, an RPG and a nuke is ok too.

Sorry guys we have munition laws on explosives we always have.

Sorry, if there was anything that was improper and didn't comply with regulations, they would have seized it and pressed charges.

Did you read the article? There wasn't any explosives there. There was a video but they weren't there when they raided his place.

Read the article next time.

Maybe you should read the article. To wit:

As was apparent in FPSRussia's videos, Myers had used Tannerite - a patented binary explosive traditionally used as a target for firearms practice, because hitting a target is accompanied by a resulting boom. Tannerite is famous for its exceptional stability and can only explode when directly hit by a bullet - even striking it with a hammer won't blow it up.

The extensive use of this explosive for purposes other than shooting practice possibly put federal agents on alert for any kind of explosive that would have meant FPSRussia's producers were in violation of federal law.
 So
Tannerite is not illegal to posses or detonate. The ATF was fishing for other explosives that would be illegal but didn't find any. The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.


zembla.cementhorizon.com
 
2013-03-30 07:01:11 PM

xanadian: So, why did they confiscate all his guns?  Is there a legal limit to the number of firearms you can own?  Or is this just YET AGAIN another over-reach of federal authority?

People wonder why the "gun nuts" go all apeshiat at the mention of gun control.


According to the article, "The idea at one of the locations was to take firearms, but they did not do that,". Thus the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives considered confiscating legally possessed firearms, but ultimately agents did not do so. I am certain that absolutely no one posting in this discussion would have approved had firearms been confiscated despite the absence of any evidence of illegal activity on the premises.
 
2013-03-30 07:02:35 PM

randomjsa: FPS Russia runs a guns and explosions channel... Who the blinking hell do you think watches stuff like that?


[farmfilmreport.jpg]

/Wow, this thread is growing fast.
//Guess you could say it...
*takes off sunglasses*
///...Blowed up real good.
 
2013-03-30 07:04:15 PM

cman: I am gonna wait for the "Better safe than sorry" portion of the Right to come out and defend ATF actions


I'm left wondering how much of the article is accurate.  Several pieces of it didn't seem to make sense.

As for the BATFE, someone should have checked things out, but a 60-man raid is BS even with presumption of murder.

More interesting is the legal precedent; as currently  anything on the internets is legally "hearsay" and all-but worthless as evidence.
 
2013-03-30 07:05:11 PM

Robots are Strong: Did the video contain footage of a warehouse full of plants that look like pot? And was the camera man found dead 3 months ago?


Irrelevant, since neither the DEA nor the ATF investigate murders. Also I typed up a few tries but I can't stretch the analogy to cover "the cameraman was shot 3 months ago so why did the ATF need to search for illegal explosives?"
 
2013-03-30 07:05:37 PM
So obamas off the books cheney hit squad did not deter fps russia from making more videos so they decided to raid the facility and pray that the jack boot licking authoritarian leftists backed them up in their fishing expedition?

Remember its only authoritarian when a republican has the DEA raid legal marijuana dispensaries
 
2013-03-30 07:07:47 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Dr. Goldshnoz: odinsposse: The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

The videos didn't show any illegal activity but resulted in an ATF raid anyway.

This is the problem here, folks.

How did they know it was legal prior to investigating?


Because its obvious that the propane was ignited by the 4 open flame sources(blow torches)taped to the propane canister?
 
2013-03-30 07:08:22 PM

odinsposse: Robots are Strong: Did the video contain footage of a warehouse full of plants that look like pot? And was the camera man found dead 3 months ago?

Irrelevant, since neither the DEA nor the ATF investigate murders. Also I typed up a few tries but I can't stretch the analogy to cover "the cameraman was shot 3 months ago so why did the ATF need to search for illegal explosives?"


Yeah, law enforcement agencies never collaborate when one of their areas of expertise are needed... sheesh.
 
2013-03-30 07:09:35 PM

jaytkay: They've only murdered one guy in that compound, why would law enforcement be interested?



Ratliff was known as an outspoken gun advocate. In a message posted to Twitter on Aug 11, 2012, he wrote: "I went to the movies with my pistol in my pocket the whole time I was praying that somebody would try to pull a Batman!"

A producer behind a popular gun enthusiast YouTube channel was found dead with a single gunshot wound to the head at his business last week.


If only he had some form of protection with him at the time...

Sounds like some shady shiat is going on in Georgia...
 
2013-03-30 07:12:08 PM

Lionel Mandrake: The ATF looked into some weird guy with an explosives fetish?

OMFG!!1!  IT'S THE GODDAM FOURTH REICH!!!!


I'd be worried if they weren't looking into guys like that.


Umm you should be concerned they are looking at people who are blatantly telling everyone they do it.. as opposed to raiding those ppl skulking around.
 
2013-03-30 07:16:58 PM

cameroncrazy1984: It's also impossible to have any other kind of explosive when you possess Tannerite. Literally impossible. That's just science.


So you believe in people having to prove their innocence instead of the government proving that person is guilty?
 
2013-03-30 07:21:38 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lenny_da_Hog: Corvus: So now people in this thread believe that we can't regulate explosives anymore?

That everything is a "second amendment right"? A tank, an RPG and a nuke is ok too.

Sorry guys we have munition laws on explosives we always have.

Sorry, if there was anything that was improper and didn't comply with regulations, they would have seized it and pressed charges.

And? How would we have known that if they didn't investigate it?


Well, there's the fact that he has always disclosed what explosives he's using and why.
 
2013-03-30 07:21:45 PM

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: It's also impossible to have any other kind of explosive when you possess Tannerite. Literally impossible. That's just science.

So you believe in people having to prove their innocence instead of the government proving that person is guilty?


You know, those bullets might have been made out of heroin. We should send in the DEA to make sure.
 
2013-03-30 07:23:20 PM

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: It's also impossible to have any other kind of explosive when you possess Tannerite. Literally impossible. That's just science.

So you believe in people having to prove their innocence instead of the government proving that person is guilty?


Everyone knows that's a basic American principle: Guilty until proven innocent. If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear. We shouldn't bother with pesky things like "probable cause" when there is a possibility that someone could be doing something illegal, even when there is no evidence what-so-ever to suggest they are. Just send in the police to do a raid so we know for sure. Anyone who doesn't believe that is just a terrorist sympathizer!
 
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